MotoGP 2017

[Crasherfromwayback]

Stuck around? Stacey Moaner got the fuck out of there as soon as he realised Marquez would own his arse on the same bike.

Rossi's still there coz he loves it.End of story.

Hahahaha...what did you say some time ago about me taking the bait so easily?

But in all seriousness, I couldn't agree more about Old Rossi. Pretty fucking amazing really.

[speights_bud]

Bahaha. Quality bants.

My school arguments usually went "my dads so strong he could lift this class room" "myyyy dads so strong he could lift the school"

Here's a legit question, who would win at fist fight? Excluding the sat riders of course.

I'm going to go with Lorenzo, he's set to to boom one day

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Iannone is a scrapper apparently...

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[roogazza]

Iannone is a scrapper apparently...

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lol I was thinking Petrucci, being an ex coppa he probably has a longer fuse ? But he's a good size.

[pritch]

lol I was thinking Petrucci, being an ex coppa he probably has a longer fuse ? But he's a good size.

He may still be a cop in that their police apparently have part timers. Like territorial soldiers here used to be, a weekend warriors, cut lunch commandos, sort of thing. He still has "Polizia" on his crash helmet for what that's worth - if anything at all.

If he was a bike cop anybody doing a runner would be shit out of luck.

Afterthought: I seem to recall reading that he has a factory Aprilia contract next year. If he joins the millionaire class dealing with stroppy drunks or whatever may lose its appeal?

[roogazza]

He may still be a cop in that their police apparently have part timers. Like territorial soldiers here used to be, a weekend warriors, cut lunch commandos, sort of thing. He still has "Polizia" on his crash helmet for what that's worth - if anything at all.

If he was a bike cop anybody doing a runner would be shit out of luck.

Afterthought: I seem to recall reading that he has a factory Aprilia contract next year. If he joins the millionaire class dealing with stroppy drunks or whatever may lose its appeal?

I don't know if he was/is Carabinieri or the other lot who wear the white belts and pistol holsters.
The uniforms are Gucci items too no ?

I thought he opted for the Ducati Pramac contract over the spagetti cranked Aprilia ?? :shutup:

[husaberg]

Bahaha. Quality bants.

My school arguments usually went "my dads so strong he could lift this class room" "myyyy dads so strong he could lift the school"

Here's a legit question, who would win at fist fight? Excluding the sat riders of course.

I'm going to go with Lorenzo, he's set to to boom one day

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Someone did try and have a go a few years ago, i can't remember where it was, or if it was WSB.
Rossi would have a long reach
Pedro would have SMS.
out of all the MGP riders my money would be on Marcel schrotter
With a name like that you would grow up tough.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Someone did try and have a go a few years ago, i can't remeber where it was or if it was WSB.
Rossi would have a long reach
Pedro would have SMS.
out of all the MGP riders my money would be on Marcel schrotter
With a name like that you would grow up tough.

Max and Rossi had a bit of biffo I think? And then Max slapped Melandi in the face too in Supers?

[ecko_nzed]

I don't know who would win a fight, but I bet you'd just have to look funny at Bradley Smith and he'd cry 😢

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[speights_bud]

out of all the MGP riders my money would be on Marcel schrotter
With a name like that you would grow up tough.

He was a fired up entitled shit when I met him trackside at Phillip Island. Myself and another marshall made every effort to get him going again (pushing uphill at Siberia) then he turned across the live track stranding us on the inside buggered and nearly puking from the effort. He had the cheek to give us shit for not keeping on pushing. I told him to get fucked.


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[Autech]

He was a fired up entitled shit when I met him trackside at Phillip Island. Myself and another marshall made every effort to get him going again (pushing uphill at Siberia) then he turned across the live track stranding us on the inside buggered and nearly puking from the effort. He had the cheek to give us shit for not keeping on pushing. I told him to get fucked.


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Bahahaa. Quality.

Lots of entitled shits in bike racing unfortunately.

DP would have great power to weight, if he knew Jujitsu they'd be fucked

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[speights_bud]

Bahahaa. Quality.

Lots of entitled shits in bike racing unfortunately.

DP would have great power to weight, if he knew Jujitsu they'd be fucked

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https://youtu.be/-6hSoTv_pdQ

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[husaberg]

Max and Rossi had a bit of biffo I think? And then Max slapped Melandi in the face too in Supers?

Thats the one Max and Val

Rossi said there was a "bit of pushing and shoving" after Biaggi had bumped into his manager. Biaggi, however, appeared in the post-race press conference with marks on his face.
Biaggi said the marks "must have been caused by a mosquito",
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/3007518/Motorcycling-I-saw-Rossi-hit-Biaggi-says-witness.html

they did have history

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSIb6_ZGK2E

Doohan vs Crevillie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1c21VFgvkVY

Punch during a GP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HknzW4VFXfg

[george formby]

Here's a legit question, who would win at fist fight? Excluding none of the riders in any class.

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Fenati, got bouts under his belt already, and the face for it.:lol:

[speights_bud]

Would Crutchlow be allowed to get a few pints under his belt before this fight?


I've always thought he seems like a bloke who you'd have a bloody good night out on the piss with. Especially if it ends up being a proper bender.

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[Autech]

Would Crutchlow be allowed to get a few pints under his belt before this fight?


I've always thought he seems like a bloke who you'd have a bloody good night out on the piss with. Especially if it ends up being a proper bender.

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I want a night on the piss with him and Miller. Bet there would be antics.

Fenati seems to be up for a tandrum but I dunno about a scrap.

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[Reckless]

Looks like Miller to Pramac Ducati

https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/miller-set-for-pramac-ducati-switch-redding-rabat-926520/

[pritch]

Crutchlow might be wanting to punch somebody. His training partner was punted out of the Tour de France with a fractured shoulder, the 'assailant' was disqualified.

This about MM and MV from Mat oxley: http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opinion/motogp/mm-v-mv-never-twain-shall-meet

And since we have five weeks between races,
this: https://motomatters.com/analysis/2017/07/04/2017_sachsenring_motogp_round_notes_on.html


And this: http://ontrackoffroad.com

[Moise]

It's pretty obvious that Marquez is trying to get inside his head. Have a look at the practice starts at the end of one of the sessions at Assen - I think it was P3.

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[Crasherfromwayback]

This about MM and MV from Mat oxley: http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opinion/motogp/mm-v-mv-never-twain-shall-meet

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Yep. MM has certainly grown up.

[pritch]

Yep. MM has certainly grown up.

MM does seem to be in a good space. For me there is a slight questionmark over MV though, dating back to where he suddenly threw a wobbly and walked out on a team. His recent state of mind hasn't been great and now he's under more pressure than ever, it'll be interesting to see how he handles it.

Another not coping well under pressure is Iannone. During one recent GP he was circulating slowly (by GP standards) until he got passed by his team mate and then he suddenly speeded up. People are inclined to notice things like that. Kevin Schwantz was moved to comment. Some of this is covered in that OTOR mag I posted a link to.

[Drew]

Another not coping well under pressure is Iannone. During one recent GP he was circulating slowly (by GP standards) until he got passed by his team mate and then he suddenly speeded up. People are inclined to notice things like that. Kevin Schwantz was moved to comment. Some of this is covered in that OTOR mag I posted a link to.
Ever tried to get motivated in a race when you can't seem to get it together? Swantz ain't short of a race or two where he was riding like a spastic. He'd have gotten a fucken hurry up when a ring in started catching him in all.

By all accounts Iannone is a cock head, but its pretty fucken rich for cunts to slang him off about pulling finger and putting head down when he needed to.

[Crasherfromwayback]

By all accounts Iannone is a cock head, but its pretty fucken rich for cunts to slang him off about pulling finger and putting head down when he needed to.

Why? His own team have as well.

[george formby]

M Doohan to A Criville - "You ain't Skippy, you know?" :niceone::laugh:

[Drew]

Why? His own team have as well.

The interpretation of journalists, about the attitude of his team.

Yeah, let's burn him. Where's my pitch fork, we got a mob to organise.

[Crasherfromwayback]

The interpretation of journalists, about the attitude of his team.

Yeah, let's burn him. Where's my pitch fork, we got a mob to organise.

The funny thing about stop watches mate, is the don't and can't lie. And do you seriously think his efforts have been that great so far on the Suzuki? He's thrown in the fucking towel.

[Drew]

The funny thing about stop watches mate, is the don't and can't lie. And do you seriously think his efforts have been that great so far on the Suzuki? He's thrown in the fucking towel.

He's not motivated in my opinion. I think he should be a podium contender every meeting on that package.

But that's all fucken easy to say from my couch. At that level, it ain't a matter of putting your visor down and just riding. I got fucked off being part of an NZSBK contender team. Fuck racing in the gp scene.

[Moise]

Suzuki should have thrown so much money at Vinales that he had to stay. I suspect both parties would be much happier than they are now.

And why Suzuki decided to ditch EspargaroA is beyond me. It's always a Good Idea to have a better rider lined up if you're going to fire someone

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[Crasherfromwayback]

He's not motivated in my opinion. I think he should be a podium contender every meeting on that package.

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Hard to say that the package is that good. But it certainly seems like he wasn't the man for this particular job.



Suzuki should have thrown so much money at Vinales that he had to stay. I suspect both parties would be much happier than they are now.

And why Suzuki decided to ditch EspargaroA is beyond me. k

I'm guessing they got blinded by the fact that AI was toward the front on the Ducati often enough. Kinda serves them right really.

[Autech]

Yeah Suzuki also forgot the ESA did well on the Suzuki in 2015, just strugled with the tyre change. He was the only rider ever to put a CRT bike on the podium from memory.

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[pritch]

The interpretation of journalists, about the attitude of his team.

Yeah, let's burn him. Where's my pitch fork, we got a mob to organise.

Anyone who pays for something expects value for their money. It is highly unlikely that the suits at Hamamatsu are happy with what they're currently getting from their investment in MotoGP. It is not only Iannone who is affected, if the team doesn't perform, Brivio's job is on the line. It's not about crucifying Iannone, but he needs a fucking good "come to Jesus" talk and maybe a psychologist to get his head in order. He doesn't seem to be able to do it on his own, but the next few months will give us an answer.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Rossi's still there coz he loves it.End of story.

Looks like Stoner's absolutely hating retirement too eh! Hanging out with Ben Spies looks boring as fuck. Seems odd if he was shitting himself at the thought of being spanked by MM that he asked Honda for a wild card ride though, don't you think? Yeah...odd. :msn-wink:

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[merv]

Looks like Stoner's absolutely hating retirement too eh! Hanging out with Ben Spies looks boring as fuck. Seems odd if he was shitting himself at the thought of being spanked by MM that he asked Honda for a wild card ride though, don't you think? Yeah...odd. :msn-wink:



Even more odd that they turned him down and put a slower rider out there instead hurting team and manufacturers points in the series in comparison. It is cool that Ducati at least let him have a couple of rides mixed up with the usual riders at tests which was able to show he hadn't slowed down much after his absence .

Honda had him do Suzuka and he proved his speed but the bike let him down. It showed they had respect for him because Honda agreed it was a stuck throttle and didn't just blame the crash on him.

All the above made it not too surprising that he left testing for Honda and rejoined Ducati.

[Crasherfromwayback]

All the above made it not too surprising that he left testing for Honda and rejoined Ducati.

Yeah. Haters always hate, and old Eels has always been King of the Stoner haters. Must've stung like fuck when even after a few years off he could come back to an official test and still be the quickest eh?

But you know...he was shit scared of MM beating him! :laugh:

[husaberg]

M Doohan to A Criville - "You ain't Skippy, you know?" :niceone::laugh:

I can't find the article but Doohan was pretty miffed when Gobert started cutting up some riders with some silly moves and slagging off all and sundry, he tried the same thing on him in a quailifying session when Mick was testing tyres or something. So doohan just waited and then just ran him off the track on purpose.
When asked about what happened he said he needs to learn some respect "so i Nerfed him"
which is aussie slang for bumping into him on purpose, ala Russell Ingall

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7m0fE6UoQNo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNZ6GPqjfNk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CawzXLyuXEs

[actungbaby]

I don't think he has to prove anything of the sort. And like Doohan, why leave if they give you everything you want? I doubt very much MM's ego is anywhere near the size of Rossi's. So having the need to prove himself on diff equipment may be something he never feels the need to do. Won't stop him winning more titles and breaking//setting more records though. And I'd best not mention Stoner, as Old Eel gets hot under the collar. But if he'd stuck around...

I dont think Rossi left honda because of that . I think he got the impression honda , thought it was more the bike .
Winning the titles .

Anyone that can survive the two years on that Ducati come back .
Alot of people it whould have broken them .


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[Crasherfromwayback]

Anyone that can survive the two years on that Ducati come back .
Alot of people it whould have broken them .




How many titles has he won since leaving Ducati? Only one person has won a title since doing time on the Ducati. :msn-wink:

[pritch]

I dont think Rossi left honda because of that . I think he got the impression honda , thought it was more the bike .
Winning the titles .


That's it. The Japanese team manager told the riders any success was all down to the brilliance of the Honda engineers. When Davide Brivio approached Rossi to ride for Yamaha the lad was feeling unappreciated. That Honda team manager hasn't been seen since, can't remember his name, a bearded chain smoker.

[husaberg]

That's it. The Japanese team manager told the riders any success was all down to the brilliance of the Honda engineers. When Davide Brivio approached Rossi to ride for Yamaha the lad was feeling unappreciated. That Honda team manager hasn't been seen since, can't remember his name, a bearded chain smoker.
Carlo Fiorani?
http://images.moto.it/images/1740051/HOR_STD/550x/carlo-fiorani.jpg
Beacuse he back at Honda Mgp as of last year.
http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/carlo-fiorani-named-motorcycle-racing-communications-director/

Honda's Motorcycle Racing Communications Director

http://i.makeagif.com/media/7-16-2017/InewGy.gif (http://makeagif.com/gif/wayne-rainey-interview-then-highsides-and-schwantz-InewGy)

[Crasherfromwayback]

That's it. The Japanese team manager told the riders any success was all down to the brilliance of the Honda engineers. When Davide Brivio approached Rossi to ride for Yamaha the lad was feeling unappreciated. That Honda team manager hasn't been seen since, can't remember his name, a bearded chain smoker.

That, and he packed a (fair enough too) tanty at not being given his title winning NSR500.

[pritch]

Carlo Fiorani?


Nah, a japanese guy. The next year a journo asked someone in the Repsol team where he was and was told nobody had seen him. He probably wasn't fired but he was possibly moved to a rather less demanding position?

[roogazza]

Rossi: Morbidelli a 'big problem' in MotoGP! 16 July 2017
"When we train together, he's a big problem. So I think he will be a big problem for everybody in MotoGP!" - Valentino Rossi.

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Rossi: Morbidelli a 'big problem' in MotoGP!
Rossi: Morbidelli a 'big problem' in MotoGP!
Franco Morbidelli is set to make history for the VR46 Riders Academy once, and perhaps twice, in the near future.

The Italian is now certain to become the first Academy rider to reach MotoGP, having signed to step-up to the premier-class with Marc VDS.

And Morbidelli also looks on course to become the Academy's first world champion, holding a commanding 34-point lead over nearest rival Thomas Luthi at the halfway stage of the season.

So how does friend and mentor Valentino Rossi feel about racing with Morbidelli in MotoGP next year?


"I've known Franco for a long time now. I think that he was one of the first riders in the Riders Academy," Rossi said. "His mother is from Brazil, his father is from Rome. But his father was a former rider and moved to Tavullia, because he wanted to put Franco in a good position to make him a rider.

"Franco's father went to Graziano, and said, 'is it possible to help Franco?' So the first time I saw Franco was with my father, a long time ago, and he started to train with me and with Marco Simoncelli on the 450. From that moment we became friends.

"I think he has a great potential. He has a great talent and he can do very well. This year he demonstrated that a lot. When we train together, he's a big problem, always. So I think he will be a big problem for everybody in MotoGP!"

Read more at http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/272173/1/rossi-morbidelli-a-big-problem-in-motogp.html#S0uy8SqEevIVOdUW.99

[Autech]

That, and he packed a (fair enough too) tanty at not being given his title winning NSR500.
Japanese...

You sure he didn't take his own life at the dishonour?

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[eelracing]

Nah, a japanese guy. The next year a journo asked someone in the Repsol team where he was and was told nobody had seen him. He probably wasn't fired but he was possibly moved to a rather less demanding position?

Koji Nakajima.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Koji Nakajima.

Who was the queer cunt that promised Rossi his title winning NSR when he didn't have the power to do so? Hardly surprising the Old Boy was well miffed. If he ever goes back to HRC, should write into the deal he wants it.

[eelracing]

I don't think he was ever promised one,I think he just presumed he'd get one.
Spencer got given his 85 title winning 500 & 250 plus Doohan got a few but Gardner and Eddie didn't didn't even get one.

I reckon Honda will never in a million years let him back to the fold...they might waver when he retires but.

[george formby]

Rossi: Morbidelli a 'big problem' in MotoGP! 16 July 2017
"When we train together, he's a big problem. So I think he will be a big problem for everybody in MotoGP!" - Valentino Rossi.

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Rossi: Morbidelli a 'big problem' in MotoGP!
Rossi: Morbidelli a 'big problem' in MotoGP!
Franco Morbidelli is set to make history for the VR46 Riders Academy once, and perhaps twice, in the near future.

The Italian is now certain to become the first Academy rider to reach MotoGP, having signed to step-up to the premier-class with Marc VDS.

And Morbidelli also looks on course to become the Academy's first world champion, holding a commanding 34-point lead over nearest rival Thomas Luthi at the halfway stage of the season.

So how does friend and mentor Valentino Rossi feel about racing with Morbidelli in MotoGP next year?


"I've known Franco for a long time now. I think that he was one of the first riders in the Riders Academy," Rossi said. "His mother is from Brazil, his father is from Rome. But his father was a former rider and moved to Tavullia, because he wanted to put Franco in a good position to make him a rider.

"Franco's father went to Graziano, and said, 'is it possible to help Franco?' So the first time I saw Franco was with my father, a long time ago, and he started to train with me and with Marco Simoncelli on the 450. From that moment we became friends.

"I think he has a great potential. He has a great talent and he can do very well. This year he demonstrated that a lot. When we train together, he's a big problem, always. So I think he will be a big problem for everybody in MotoGP!"

Read more at http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/272173/1/rossi-morbidelli-a-big-problem-in-motogp.html#S0uy8SqEevIVOdUW.99

:whistle: I think i posted awhile back that Morbidelli has Alien potential. Not skiting, it's a pleasant surprise that something I posted is not utter shite.

Does Marc VDS have a good relationship with Rossi / VR46? Quite a successful outfit and a great signing. Guess I should read the article..

So who is moving on? A works ride? BMW?

[husaberg]

Who was the queer cunt that promised Rossi his title winning NSR when he didn't have the power to do so? Hardly surprising the Old Boy was well miffed. If he ever goes back to HRC, should write into the deal he wants it.


I don't think he was ever promised one,I think he just presumed he'd get one.
Spencer got given his 85 title winning 500 & 250 plus Doohan got a few but Gardner and Eddie didn't didn't even get one.

I reckon Honda will never in a million years let him back to the fold...they might waver when he retires but.
Rossi's version anyway
What If I Had Never Tried It: The Autobiography
By Valentino Rossi
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By this stage he had already got his four stroke title wining Honda .......

Bazza had it in his contact he kept his bikes as did Roberts
plenty of others do as well

Honda would take him back as a devlopment rider, he would be pretty useful.
Honda is only interested in winning

[Crasherfromwayback]

plus Doohan got a few t.

Doohan has all of his no?

[eelracing]

Doohan has all of his no?

More n likely...except prob not the one that tried to kill him.

Fast fact: (for fellow trainspotters) out of all premiere champs to swap manufacturers,Duke Norton to Gilera,Hailwood MV to Honda,Agostini MV to Yamaha,Lawson Yamaha to Honda,Rossi Honda to Yamaha and Stoner Ducati to Honda.
Only two out of all those legends,Lawson and Rossi have scored championships back to back on different makes.

Even today Lawson is so underated in lists its criminal and Rossi...well hes still writing history.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Even today Lawson is so underated in lists its criminal and Rossi...well hes still writing history.

Lawson is one of my very favs. And even I've got to respect what the Old Dog is doing. Quite incredible really.

[husaberg]

Even today Lawson is so underated in lists its criminal and Rossi...well hes still writing history.

Lawson did it with the Hondas steering damper set to full.
Eddie had a bright head on his shoulders, second place in a race was acceptable, rather then risking zero points.

[malcy25]

More n likely...except prob not the one that tried to kill him.

Fast fact: (for fellow trainspotters) out of all premiere champs to swap manufacturers,Duke Norton to Gilera,Hailwood MV to Honda,Agostini MV to Yamaha,Lawson Yamaha to Honda,Rossi Honda to Yamaha and Stoner Ducati to Honda.
Only two out of all those legends,Lawson and Rossi have scored championships back to back on different makes.

Even today Lawson is so underated in lists its criminal and Rossi...well hes still writing history.

Yamaha still rate Lawson enough that 15 years after he stopped racing GP's, they invited him over and gave him a rebuilt 86 YZR500 like he won the championship on.....out of the blue with no warning! I think that bike has just been delivered from Lawson's place to Red Rocks Harley in Vegas where all the cool old Yamaha's hang out (Roberts and Baker TZ750 flat trackers anyone?)

Not sure if one of his old bikes or not. As Mike Sinclair said to me once about YZR500's. "You never know what you are going to get if you buy one, we regularly built show bikes out of old parts lashed together".

[roogazza]

Yamaha still rate Lawson enough that 15 years after he stopped racing GP's,
Not sure if one of his old bikes or not. As Mike Sinclair said to me once about YZR500's. "You never know what you are going to get if you buy one, we regularly built show bikes out of old parts lashed together".

I've got a couple of mates that worked in the Circus years ago.One for Freddie and one for Hartog.
Yet another was with Dodds for a year and he dropped off a book for me the other day. Mike Sinclair,Kenny's Spanner man.
It's not bad,starts off in the early days pissing about with two strokes in NZ (which lots of us did !).
But a third the way thru its starting to get interesting where he's working for Robert's Lucky Strike team.
(data entry etc etc.)

[merv]

Yeah Gazz it is a good read. I read it last Christmas and it is a great story. Really enjoyed Hugh Anderson's one before that and Croz's too. All good insights into how the teams and the manufacturers work or don't work as the case may be.

[roogazza]

Yeah Gazz it is a good read. I read it last Christmas and it is a great story. Really enjoyed Hugh Anderson's one before that and Croz's too. All good insights into how the teams and the manufacturers work or don't work as the case may be.

Yes Merv, read those too/two.
The Kiwi guys seemed to have an advantage in that they had learnt to make do, then try new stuff.
We've all taken a few millimeters off exhaust ports in our day huh? lol. :msn-wink:

[Dadpole]

We've all taken a few millimeters off exhaust ports in our day huh? lol. :msn-wink:

And it went badly wrong (T350 Suzuki)

[merv]

And it went badly wrong (T350 Suzuki)

Lol, once the mm are off they never seem to come back when they are needed :(

[husaberg]

Yamaha still rate Lawson enough that 15 years after he stopped racing GP's, they invited him over and gave him a rebuilt 86 YZR500 like he won the championship on.....out of the blue with no warning! I think that bike has just been delivered from Lawson's place to Red Rocks Harley in Vegas where all the cool old Yamaha's hang out (Roberts and Baker TZ750 flat trackers anyone?)

Not sure if one of his old bikes or not. As Mike Sinclair said to me once about YZR500's. "You never know what you are going to get if you buy one, we regularly built show bikes out of old parts lashed together".

The air force boys lashed together a Skyhawk like that when they were afraid all them were going to go overseas.
thats one of them thats at The RNZAF museum.
it was never on the books and very unoffical project.
it was dressed up as one of the aircraft that had crashed
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Most 500 GP bikes were a collection of parts constantly being relaced /swapped
Lawsons NSR500 used 7 differnt frames

[roogazza]

Lol, once the mm are off they never seem to come back when they are needed :(

Measure 27 times and cut once ! :laugh:

[BMWST?]

More n likely...except prob not the one that tried to kill him.

Fast fact: (for fellow trainspotters) out of all premiere champs to swap manufacturers,Duke Norton to Gilera,Hailwood MV to Honda,Agostini MV to Yamaha,Lawson Yamaha to Honda,Rossi Honda to Yamaha and Stoner Ducati to Honda.
Only two out of all those legends,Lawson and Rossi have scored championships back to back on different makes.

Even today Lawson is so underated in lists its criminal and Rossi...well hes still writing history.
and Lawson wen to a third make and won a race to i think....Cagiva

[eelracing]

and Lawson wen to a third make and won a race to i think....Cagiva

He did indeed...coulda been two if'n Schwantzy didn't take him out ;)


(still waiting for a trainspotter to find the howling flaw in my "fast-fact")

[BMWST?]

I was curious .1992 hungarian GrandPrix.Started a wet race and Lawson had cut slicks ,eventually took the lead with only two laps to go.Was his last year in the GPs

[Runty]

Howling flaw? - Maybe that Hailwood rode for Honda and MV in the same years (different classes)

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[eelracing]

(different classes)

Yeh nah by premier i meant GP500/MotoGP.

Hailwood did ride a 500 Norton and the MV 500 in the 1961 GP season but did'nt win the championship.

He also never won another 500 championship after moving to Honda either (not the howling flaw).
But I envy anyone who ever saw and heard him and Ago going for it in 66/67.

[malcy25]

He did indeed...coulda been two if'n Schwantzy didn't take him out ;)


(still waiting for a trainspotter to find the howling flaw in my "fast-fact")

I was skim reading only. Hailwood didn't win a 500 championship on a Honda

[Cosmik de Bris]

Really enjoyed Hugh Anderson's one before that and Croz's too.

Anyone here around when Hugh rode his factory (Yamaha????) 5 cylinder 125 at Wigram. Fantastic to watch him blast past the big bikes on the straight. There was another guy whose name escapes me that rode an Aerial Leader, everyone passed him on the straight but then he passed them all on the corners, and so it continued for the whole race. If the start/finish wasn't just around the corner from the long straight he would have won.

Oh yeah and Croz held a workshop at Ruapuna, learnt some great stuff from him.

Cheers

[pritch]

Anyone here around when Hugh rode his factory (Yamaha????) 5 cylinder 125 at Wigram. Fantastic to watch him blast past the big bikes on the straight.

Anderson was a factory Suzuki rider. I hadn't heard about a five cylinder Suzuki 125. Things were getting fairly "out there" before the FIM put the brakes on, I can see reference to square and V four 125s and a 50cc triple ffs, but no five cylinder 125.

Don't recall seeing Anderson ride one of his factory bikes here but he may well have. Through the fog of time I do seem to recall seeing Jim Redman parade a Honda 250cc four around Pukekohe.


There was another guy whose name escapes me that rode an Aerial Leader,

May have been an Ariel Arrow? Some of those were raced, one on the IoM even. The Leader was like a big scooter.

[roogazza]

Think Honda had a 5 cyl 125cc in about 1966 pritch ?
Showing my age now,but I was a big fan of the 250cc V4 Yamahas and 250cc 6 cyl Hondas in 1966 at the tender age of 16 . :shit:
Used to wait months for the MCN Newspaper mags to arrive from Pommy land. (by seagull )???

[merv]

I'd have to brush up on Anderson's book again but I do remember in that he did talk of bringing a works Suzuki home but I am sure it was one of the twins and I remember him talking of demo-ing it at Wanganui on the old track out of town but don't remember mention of Wigram. The year he really had the twin humming it was fast too before they built the V4 so it would easily have seen off a few other bikes on a straight anyway.

[merv]

Okay went and had a look at Hugh's book for you. He says in 1965-66 season besides doing the demo at Wanganui he did race the Suzuki all over NZ. He says he would have loved to have raced at the Wanganui races but that year they used a part gravel circuit at Okoia and the Suzuki had its carburettors low (disk valve) and he didn't want it sucking dust so he only demo-ed it on the sealed part.

In the rest of the country here he was on his 125 racing against 350's and 500's. It sounds like he could easily win all the 350 races and did win races against the 500's at Tauranga. At Pukekohe he was chasing Neville Landrebe's G50 down the back straight and got caught out by Neville braking hard such that Hugh clipped his back wheel and fell off. He picked the bike up and after seeing 35 bikes go by got going again, passed them all but Neville to finish the race a close second.

Regarding Wigram he says he got two third places in the main races with close finishes behind Neville Landrebe on the G50 and Ginger Molloy on the 250 Bultaco.

At Teretonga it sounded like again he had close finishes but for second behind Neville. The Suzuki had 8 gears, revved to 14,000rpm and was good for 209km/hr (129.9mph) so up against British 350 and 500 singles it was pretty darn quick.

There is no mention in the book of any 5 cylinder (presumably Honda) being on the scene at Wigram that year.

[husaberg]

Anderson was a factory Suzuki rider. I hadn't heard about a five cylinder Suzuki 125. Things were getting fairly "out there" before the FIM put the brakes on, I can see reference to square and V four 125s and a 50cc triple ffs, but no five cylinder 125.

Don't recall seeing Anderson ride one of his factory bikes here but he may well have. Through the fog of time I do seem to recall seeing Jim Redman parade a Honda 250cc four around Pukekohe.



May have been an Ariel Arrow? Some of those were raced, one on the IoM even. The Leader was like a big scooter.

Hugh bought and did up then sold and EX works Suzuki and had it here in NZ in the late 80's not sure if he ever demo'd it here though.
It was a 50cc twin
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/151865-Old-multi-cylinder-bikes-of-the-50s-to-later-on-Japanese-British-Euro-etc?p=1130374843#post1130374843

Okay went and had a look at Hugh's book for you. He says in 1965-66 season besides doing the demo at Wanganui he did race the Suzuki all over NZ. He says he would have loved to have raced at the Wanganui races but that year they used a part gravel circuit at Okoia and the Suzuki had its carburettors low (disk valve) and he didn't want it sucking dust so he only demo-ed it on the sealed part.

In the rest of the country here he was on his 125 racing against 350's and 500's. It sounds like he could easily win all the 350 races and did win races against the 500's at Tauranga. At Pukekohe he was chasing Neville Landrebe's G50 down the back straight and got caught out by Neville braking hard such that Hugh clipped his back wheel and fell off. He picked the bike up and after seeing 35 bikes go by got going again, passed them all but Neville to finish the race a close second.

Regarding Wigram he says he got two third places in the main races with close finishes behind Neville Landrebe on the G50 and Ginger Molloy on the 250 Bultaco.

At Teretonga it sounded like again he had close finishes but for second behind Neville. The Suzuki had 8 gears, revved to 14,000rpm and was good for 209km/hr (129.9mph) so up against British 350 and 500 singles it was pretty darn quick.

There is no mention in the book of any 5 cylinder (presumably Honda) being on the scene at Wigram that year.
Barry Sheene had his ex Stuart Graham RT67 Suzuki twin up until his death he had used it as a private entry in 1971 and nearly one the 1971 125 world title on it as a privateer.
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/151865-Old-multi-cylinder-bikes-of-the-50s-to-later-on-Japanese-British-Euro-etc?p=1130618964#post1130618964

[Grumph]

Okay went and had a look at Hugh's book for you. He says in 1965-66 season besides doing the demo at Wanganui he did race the Suzuki all over NZ. He says he would have loved to have raced at the Wanganui races but that year they used a part gravel circuit at Okoia and the Suzuki had its carburettors low (disk valve) and he didn't want it sucking dust so he only demo-ed it on the sealed part.

In the rest of the country here he was on his 125 racing against 350's and 500's. It sounds like he could easily win all the 350 races and did win races against the 500's at Tauranga. At Pukekohe he was chasing Neville Landrebe's G50 down the back straight and got caught out by Neville braking hard such that Hugh clipped his back wheel and fell off. He picked the bike up and after seeing 35 bikes go by got going again, passed them all but Neville to finish the race a close second.

Regarding Wigram he says he got two third places in the main races with close finishes behind Neville Landrebe on the G50 and Ginger Molloy on the 250 Bultaco.

At Teretonga it sounded like again he had close finishes but for second behind Neville. The Suzuki had 8 gears, revved to 14,000rpm and was good for 209km/hr (129.9mph) so up against British 350 and 500 singles it was pretty darn quick.

There is no mention in the book of any 5 cylinder (presumably Honda) being on the scene at Wigram that year.

I was at that Wigram meeting. I suspect Hugh might have got it wrong but I'd have to locate a copy of the Motor Racing Club history to sort it. I remember it as two wins for Hugh on the 125 with Ginger second both times. Tom McCleary blew up the Manx I later owned, leading the first race for about half distance.
The Ariel Arrow was Owen Galbraith who later rode Kawasakis for Norjo Motors.

[eelracing]

Hugh bought and did up then sold and EX works Suzuki and had it here in NZ in the late 80's not sure if he ever demo'd it here though.
It was a 50cc twin

Love those pics of the Suzuki and Ralph Bryans Honda was no slouch either.
50cc twin,21000 rpm...

[Autech]

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/279263/1/triumph-moto2-era-to-challenge-motogp.html

Interesting prospect!

[Cosmik de Bris]

Anderson was a factory Suzuki rider. I hadn't heard about a five cylinder Suzuki 125. Things were getting fairly "out there" before the FIM put the brakes on, I can see reference to square and V four 125s and a 50cc triple ffs, but no five cylinder 125.

Don't recall seeing Anderson ride one of his factory bikes here but he may well have. Through the fog of time I do seem to recall seeing Jim Redman parade a Honda 250cc four around Pukekohe.



May have been an Ariel Arrow? Some of those were raced, one on the IoM even. The Leader was like a big scooter.

Yeah you're probably right, I was a young lad and my memory isn't that good these days. Right again arrow I think.

Cheers

[Cosmik de Bris]

I was at that Wigram meeting. I suspect Hugh might have got it wrong but I'd have to locate a copy of the Motor Racing Club history to sort it. I remember it as two wins for Hugh on the 125 with Ginger second both times. Tom McCleary blew up the Manx I later owned, leading the first race for about half distance.
The Ariel Arrow was Owen Galbraith who later rode Kawasakis for Norjo Motors.

I didn't see you there, we used to go every year. Yes, Owen Galbraith, that's right. Wow, literally a lifetime ago.

Cheers

[Crasherfromwayback]

And whilst we're waiting...a 250GP engine on the mile? Oh yeah...

https://www.superbikeplanet.com/shrieking-terror-clay/

[husaberg]

Rossi VS marqsqueeze 15 passes
http://www.marshland.co.nz/ftp/Misc/15%20overtakes%20and%20a%20controversial%20crash%2 0in%20epic%20Rossi%20v%20Marqu.mp4

[HenryDorsetCase]

Rossi VS marqsqueeze 15 passes
http://www.marshland.co.nz/ftp/Misc/15%20overtakes%20and%20a%20controversial%20crash%2 0in%20epic%20Rossi%20v%20Marqu.mp4

tsk tsk. naughty.

[HenryDorsetCase]

And whilst we're waiting...a 250GP engine on the mile? Oh yeah...

https://www.superbikeplanet.com/shrieking-terror-clay/

you had me at shreiking terror!

[Autech]

Not long to go now lads! At least they rock up at a great track for racing. Bring it on!

[Dadpole]

At least I had a fix watching the final hour at Suzuka yesterday.:woohoo: Almost like a short race with the interesting diversion of a bike having a small but interesting bellypan fire and still finishing third.

[husaberg]

tsk tsk. naughty.

Some pretty good passes though, plus a few dubious moves from both sides (One clearly a bit worse than the other though)

[pritch]

This probably deserves a better plug but most people who would be remotely interested would visit this thread. They'd better not leave it too long?

I suspect this is organised by Alex Briggs, there is an online auction of mainly GP memorabilia to raise funds for overseas cancer treatment for a girl. Lots of signed boots, knee sliders, shirts, triple clamps, gloves, a watch, a pair of Ohlins forks (unsigned), plus the love letter Rossi wrote to his M1.

https://www.shannons.com.au/auctions/a-cure-for-freyja-motogp-fundraising-online-auction/

[pritch]

Well all the riders will have had to drag their arses away from their beaches. Any who raced at Suzuka will be going for some sort of a miracle cure cause the action starts again in a couple days although Miller may not be in too much trouble, depnds how long his Honda lasted. You'd think that somebody at Honda would be getting worried, they loose their 'roads' team at the IoM to crashes caused by mechanical failure, then they lose the race and the endurance championship to Yamaha at their own track.

It'll make a refereshing change from the ongoing circus at the Whitehouse, and the Whitehouse Lite at the Labour party so bring on the racing.

[roogazza]

https://motomatters.com/analysis/2017/08/01/2017_motogp_season_review_the_first_nine.html

[malcy25]

RIP Angel Nieto

https://www.superbikeplanet.com/summer-suck-rolls-angel-nieto-1947-2017/

[pritch]

RIP Angel Nieto


That is sad. I see that some of the pundits have felt it appropriate to point out to younger followers of the sport that back then the small classes were not just stepping stones as they are today. People like Ubiali, Nieto and others, usually built like jockeys, would ride their whole career in the 'tiddler' classes.

[malcy25]

That is sad. I see that some of the pundits have felt it appropriate to point out to younger followers of the sport that back then the small classes were not just stepping stones as they are today. People like Ubiali, Nieto and others, usually built like jockeys, would ride their whole career in the 'tiddler' classes.

I've been racing with a Nieto replica helmet for the last couple of years....

http://www.motochanic.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/700x700/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/a/g/agv-grid-nieto-replica-helmet-bi-1.jpg

He was probably not so well known down here as compared to a 500GP rider, but one of my first races I saw on TV when quite young was him racing at Silverstone on the Garelli twin in about 83, just as I was building a 125 to go racing with.

[actungbaby]

RIP Angel Nieto

https://www.superbikeplanet.com/summer-suck-rolls-angel-nieto-1947-2017/

Yes when i started buying motocourse books back in 84 . Remember looking ar the former gp winners and . Being dumbstruck how many titles had the name nito . Incredable . Champion .
Sounds like had anazing personailty to match .


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[mulletman]

Riders are starting to get messages on the fly.

[mulletman]

Jorges new fairing, similar to what we've seen earlier this year (hammerhead)

[roogazza]

MotoGP
MotoGP desk 5 Aug 2017

'All the accelerations, maybe three or four accelerations, are from second gear to fifth gear, so that means that acceleration here is very important and it is one of the circuits where we struggle more' - Marc Marquez.

Marc Marquez feels he will lose out to his rivals on acceleration at Brno this weekend, but the Repsol Honda rider is still confident of challenging for the podium nonetheless.

Marquez, who holds a slim advantage of five points over Yamaha’s Maverick Vinales, was 10th fastest in the dry in FP2 on Friday after narrowly missing out on the top spot in the wet morning session by 0.039s to Johann Zarco.

The MotoGP World Championship leader used Honda’s new covered winglets fairing after gaining some improvements with the RCV during a test at the Czech circuit during the summer break in July.

Marquez was more than eight tenths down on Ducati’s Andrea Dovizioso after setting his best lap in 1m 57.209s, although he stresses the gap would not have been so pronounced if he had chosen to fit the softer compound rear in FP2.

“Today the track was still a bit slippery and me and Dani [Pedrosa] didn’t put the soft tyre in the rear – everybody put it, or nearly everybody, and for that reason the difference was quite big.

“But I’m happy because the feeling was more or less good and also in the last run I tried the hard front tyre; I felt a little bit on the limit, but I was in the box and I said to my mechanic that I wanted to try it in case on Sunday it was like this – to understand what is the limit of the temperature,” said Marquez.

“I was a little bit on the limit, I nearly crashed and the confidence wasn’t there, but in general I was happy because with the bike I felt good – this morning in the wet, this afternoon in the dry – and we will see tomorrow where we can arrive.

“It also looks like on Sunday it will be a little bit of mixed conditions, or maybe very wet, but you never know here because it changes so quickly.”

Giving his thoughts on the new Honda fairing, Marquez said small improvements are being made on a ‘step by step’ basis.

“The new fairing was one of the new items that we tried in the summer test and it was working a little bit better, I like it and we improved a little bit with it with one of our problems. It looks like step by step we improve, but then we are here and Ducati also brings a special one that is bigger than ours.

“We must keep pushing and improving, but it is a small improvement that we can take some benefits [from].”

One issue that is a cause for concern for Marquez is the time he is losing on acceleration compared to his key rivals. However, he still feels a rostrum remains within his grasp on Sunday.

“Here is one of the circuits where we will struggle more – especially me a Cal [Crutchlow]. We’re not heavy riders but Dani is very light and here, he can use a lot the torque and you can feel. All the accelerations, maybe three or four accelerations, are from second gear to fifth gear, so that means that acceleration here is very important and it is one of the circuits where we struggle more.

“That is the reason why we come here to test before the race, to try to have a small advantage in the beginning and try to have some base set-up. We will see during the weekend but I believe that even like this we can fight for the podium,” he added.

“Dani will be tough; OK, I know he will have the same bike as me and we have a very similar pace during the test, so we will see during the weekend depending on the conditions.

“Then Ducati, here, they can use a lot the power, the torque, and then I follow [Johann] Zarco and the Yamaha is working really good here – just they need to find the set-up, but for sure they will be fast.”

Looks like an honest samatian from MM . They didn't use the soft and neither did Rossi.
Bring on Qual in the dry and we'll see where we are I think.

[roogazza]

:msn-wink:332110

[ellipsis]

...Go Vale...he has a few to contend with to get there though...MM's elbows will be ragged points of pain if he has to ride the Honda out of corners on them every lap...my respect for Jorge is building again, he looks like he is coming to grips with the Ducati...again too many variables to start betting...

[Dadpole]

Lorenzo looks comfortable in spite of the mixed conditions. Has the new fairing restored some of his mojo?

[BMWST?]

will the weirdness never end.How do you post the second fastest time when you were LAST for the rest of the weekend?

Brno, Sunday, August 06, 2017

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Pos.
Num.
Rider
Nation
Team
Bike
Km/h
Time
Gap 1st/Prev.

</thead><tbody style="box-sizing: content-box !important; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 12.922px; vertical-align: baseline; background: transparent;">
1
93
Marc MARQUEZ (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Marc+Marquez)
SPA
Repsol Honda Team
Honda
295.1
2'07.120



2
45
Scott REDDING (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Scott+Redding)
GBR
OCTO Pramac Racing
Ducati
294.3
2'08.160
1.040 / 1.040


3
4
Andrea DOVIZIOSO (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Andrea+Dovizioso)
ITA
Ducati Team
Ducati
295.4
2'08.448
1.328 / 0.288


4
22
Sam LOWES (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Sam+Lowes)
GBR
Aprilia Racing Team Gresini
Aprilia
286.1
2'08.470
1.350 / 0.022


5
99
Jorge LORENZO (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Jorge+Lorenzo)
SPA
Ducati Team
Ducati
290.8
2'08.489
1.369 / 0.019


6
26
Dani PEDROSA (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Dani+Pedrosa)
SPA
Repsol Honda Team
Honda
287.0
2'08.561
1.441 / 0.072


7
94
Jonas FOLGER (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Jonas+Folger)
GER
Monster Yamaha Tech 3
Yamaha
291.3
2'08.591
1.471 / 0.030


8
35
Cal CRUTCHLOW (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Cal+Crutchlow)
GBR
LCR Honda
Honda
290.6
2'08.618
1.498 / 0.027


9
46
Valentino ROSSI (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Valentino+Rossi)
ITA
Movistar Yamaha MotoGP
Yamaha
290.4
2'08.772
1.652 / 0.154


10
41
Aleix ESPARGARO (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Aleix+Espargaro)
SPA
Aprilia Racing Team Gresini
Aprilia
293.6
2'08.776
1.656 / 0.004


11
44
Pol ESPARGARO (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Pol+Espargaro)
SPA
Red Bull KTM Factory Racing
KTM
284.5
2'08.846
1.726 / 0.070


12
9
Danilo PETRUCCI (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Danilo+Petrucci)
ITA
OCTO Pramac Racing
Ducati
296.7
2'08.940
1.820 / 0.094


13
25
Maverick VIÑALES (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Maverick+Vi%C3%B1ales)
SPA
Movistar Yamaha MotoGP
Yamaha
287.9
2'09.398
2.278 / 0.458


14
38
Bradley SMITH (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Bradley+Smith)
GBR
Red Bull KTM Factory Racing
KTM
273.0
2'09.499
2.379 / 0.101


15
5
Johann ZARCO (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Johann+Zarco)
FRA
Monster Yamaha Tech 3
Yamaha
288.4
2'09.879
2.759 / 0.380


16
8
Hector BARBERA (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Hector+Barbera)
SPA
Reale Avintia Racing
Ducati
286.6
2'10.408
3.288 / 0.529


17
29
Andrea IANNONE (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Andrea+Iannone)
ITA
Team SUZUKI ECSTAR
Suzuki
295.9
2'10.496
3.376 / 0.088


18
76
Loris BAZ (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Loris+Baz)
FRA
Reale Avintia Racing
Ducati
278.1
2'10.579
3.459 / 0.083


19
42
Alex RINS (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Alex+Rins)
SPA
Team SUZUKI ECSTAR
Suzuki
285.1
2'10.750
3.630 / 0.171


20
19
Alvaro BAUTISTA (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Alvaro+Bautista)
SPA
Pull&Bear Aspar Team
Ducati
289.5
2'11.018
3.898 / 0.268


21
17
Karel ABRAHAM (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Karel+Abraham)
CZE
Pull&Bear Aspar Team
Ducati
278.8
2'11.639
4.519 / 0.621


22
43
Jack MILLER (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Jack+Miller)
AUS
EG 0,0 Marc VDS
Honda
283.6
2'11.829
4.709 / 0.190


23
53
Tito RABAT (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Tito+Rabat)
SPA
EG 0,0 Marc VDS
Honda
282.4
2'12.057
4.937 / 0.228

</tbody>
Weather Conditions: | Track Condition: Wet| Air: 19º| Humidity: 86%| Ground: 20ºRecords:
<tbody style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background: transparent; box-sizing: content-box !important;">
Fastest Lap:
Lap: 9
Marc MARQUEZ (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Marc+Marquez)
2'07.120
153.0 Km/h


Circuit Record Lap:
2014
Dani PEDROSA (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Dani+Pedrosa)
1'56.027
167.6 Km/h


Best Lap:
2016
Marc MARQUEZ (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Marc+Marquez)
1'54.596
169.7 Km/h

</tbody>

[onearmedbandit]

Wow that Yamaha/Rossi stratergy huh...

[eelracing]

I dunno,one mans strategy is another mans gamble.But good job from Honda.
Impressive to watch team Yamaha limit the damage with good battles thruout.

[onearmedbandit]

I dunno,one mans strategy is another mans gamble.But good job from Honda.
Impressive to watch team Yamaha limit the damage with good battles thruout.

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1/rossi-normally-i-m-the-stupid-one-this-time-we-re-five

[roogazza]

I dunno,one mans strategy is another mans gamble.But good job from Honda.
Impressive to watch team Yamaha limit the damage with good battles thruout.

yeah mate, that sums it up pretty well I think.
(Had to turn the sound right down tho, yapping pom commentators.):rolleyes::tugger:

[EJK]

Wow that Yamaha/Rossi stratergy huh...

Rossi fans are surprisingly quiet on FB comments section today.

[ellipsis]

VR...fucked things up but still made fourth...maybe it may have gone better or even worse with a different scenario...

[Crasherfromwayback]

Rossi fans are surprisingly quiet on FB comments section today.

Funny that. But he did do well to get up as high as he did considering. Now that MM has his tail up, I think he'll be hard to head off now. Coming up to a lot of tracks he goes well at.

[EJK]

VR...fucked things up but still made fourth...maybe it may have gone better or even worse with a different scenario...

Remember in Valencia 2015 he started from last and finished 4th place? That shit was crazy. Thought he was racing against AIs on Gran Turismo video game.

[ellipsis]

Dani stayed out a lap too long also but he said his reasoning was that he didn't know if the dry was for real or whether it would get wet again...I can only imagine the dilemma in the head for them all...a risk whatever way you go...MM hit the right decision button and won out overall...another GP that came down to the fickleness of the weather...

[Autech]

MM is the luckiest rider in the paddock by far. He's proven it time and again he effs up with the wrong tyre n still wins. Bastard! Good work by Dani though to take 2nd, he carved em up shame we never got to see him n MM duke it out though.


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[pritch]

Well that was weird. Weird but interesting. Nick Harris pissed me off much more than usual: banging on about MM's master plan, saying Abraham was in the gravel when it was Bautista, and making random predictions. About the only thing you can be sure of is that his predictions will be wrong.

Glad the long break is over, looking forward to the next one.

[speights_bud]

I suspect MM expected the soft to last a lot longer.

However with the tyre shitting itself almost instantly I think he had a "Fuck it, changing to slicks can't be worse than this situation" moment on lap 2 and it paid off.

He probably planned to change early, but I suspect not that early...
I bet Honda have a pretty neat algorithm which calculates expected lap times etc for wet/dry track and tyre combinations which gives them the ideal lap to change etc given some parameters for track conditions. Given electronics are one of their specialties I find it hard to believe they wouldnt'.

I thought about sending Harris a "congratulations on your retirement" tweet for being a useless cunt. Just to make myself feel better

[EJK]

Well that was weird. Weird but interesting. Nick Harris pissed me off much more than usual: banging on about MM's master plan, saying Abraham was in the gravel when it was Bautista, and making random predictions. About the only thing you can be sure of is that his predictions will be wrong.

Glad the long break is over, looking forward to the next one.

Yeah Nick Harris was extra annoying, as if he took entire tablet of viagra.

[Doppleganger]

Yeah MM wasn't anything to do with a strategy, he fucked up on tire choice and got real lucky it worked out in the end.
Danny and the Yamaha's worked hard at getting back into it and yes Rosi stayed out for too long again.

Still 8 rounds left and heaps can happen

[Drew]

As soon as it was obviously going to be flag to flag, everyone knew Rossi would have it wrong.

Lorenzo got shafted by poor planning, but the reality is he only lost an extra ten seconds in the pits. Which is about what it coat Dovi to stay out the extra lap.

[Cosmik de Bris]

Yeah Nick Harris was extra annoying, as if he took entire tablet of viagra.

Yeah but it was the master stroke of all master strokes!

Cheers

[Mental Trousers]

I suspect MM expected the soft to last a lot longer.

However with the tyre shitting itself almost instantly I think he had a "Fuck it, changing to slicks can't be worse than this situation" moment on lap 2 and it paid off.

He probably planned to change early, but I suspect not that early...
I bet Honda have a pretty neat algorithm which calculates expected lap times etc for wet/dry track and tyre combinations which gives them the ideal lap to change etc given some parameters for track conditions. Given electronics are one of their specialties I find it hard to believe they wouldnt'.

I'd say Honda were hoping to run away from the field in the first few laps then deal with the rest of the race accordingly. However, the soft wet got torn to shit in no time so he had to swap bikes and run slicks. Turned out to be the race winning move.

I'm surprised there wasn't anyone who did the warm up lap, thought fark this and swapped bikes so they started from pit lane on slicks. Had anyone done that they would've won the race by miles.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I'm surprised there wasn't anyone who did the warm up lap, thought fark this and swapped bikes so they started from pit lane on slicks. Had anyone done that they would've won the race by miles.

Funny you should say that. I couldn't believe they were all using wets at the start. No fucking way I would've. Slicks all the way.

[speights_bud]

Googled @nickharris Motogp hoping to find a twitter account, this was the top result. Not a bad read with some more recent posts and some good links to races commentated by Barry sheen.

http://motomatters.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3364

[Mental Trousers]

I'm surprised there wasn't anyone who did the warm up lap, thought fark this and swapped bikes so they started from pit lane on slicks. Had anyone done that they would've won the race by miles.

Funny you should say that. I couldn't believe they were all using wets at the start. No fucking way I would've. Slicks all the way.

Could see on the warm up lap that lots of the track was bone dry. But it sounds like everyone was listening to the weather people, ie those guys that seem to get it wrong more often than not but still get paid.

[pritch]

Googled @nickharris Motogp hoping to find a twitter account,

His Twitter handle is @NickHarrisMedia. Be nice. I sent a polite message once about the way he consistently mispronounced Bastianini's name. He got the message because he made reference to his pronunciation during the next race and he did try - for a while. Later though I noticed he was mispronouncing another similarly spelled word and wondered if he had a reading disability. That caused me to feel somewhat guilty..

He only commentates on the big bikes now so we're OK until Bastianini gets a MotoGP ride?

I was annoyed when he announced that the wrong rider had crashed. That's unprofessional. Jonathon Green was a bugger for that but Steve Martin, his Aussie co-commentator, would haul him up. Martin, a world endurance champ at the time, knew that riders' family members are watching and the wrong information can be upsetting people unnecessarily.

I must ask an Italian about the correct pronouniation of Bagnaia. I'd assume that the g would be the same as the one in Bologna but that's just a guess. I might ask one of KB's resident Italians.

[speights_bud]

His Twitter handle is @NickHarrisMedia. Be nice. I sent a polite message once about the way he consistently mispronounced Bastianini's name. He got the message because he made reference to his pronunciation during the next race and he did try - for a while. Later though I noticed he was mispronouncing another similarly spelled word and wondered if he had a reading disability. That caused me to feel somewhat guilty..

He only commentates on the big bikes now so we're OK until Bastianini gets a MotoGP ride?

I was annoyed when he announced that the wrong rider had crashed.

I'm too nice to have a go at him if I'm honest.

Best case for us viewers IMO is to let him do all the press conference stuff but drop him doing the live commentary.

He still does a good job when it's not the live feed and he seems to have a good relationship with the riders.

[Autech]

His Twitter handle is @NickHarrisMedia. Be nice. I sent a polite message once about the way he consistently mispronounced Bastianini's name. He got the message because he made reference to his pronunciation during the next race and he did try - for a while. Later though I noticed he was mispronouncing another similarly spelled word and wondered if he had a reading disability. That caused me to feel somewhat guilty..

He only commentates on the big bikes now so we're OK until Bastianini gets a MotoGP ride?

I was annoyed when he announced that the wrong rider had crashed. That's unprofessional. Jonathon Green was a bugger for that but Steve Martin, his Aussie co-commentator, would haul him up. Martin, a world endurance champ at the time, knew that riders' family members are watching and the wrong information can be upsetting people unnecessarily.

I must ask an Italian about the correct pronouniation of Bagnaia. I'd assume that the g would be the same as the one in Bologna but that's just a guess. I might ask one of KB's resident Italians.Yeah as bad as Harris is that Nick Green was 1000 times worse. He'd constantly argue with Steve Martin, fucker.

I was half asleep when I watched the race so managed to filter out the Harris drivel, many blessings!

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[pritch]

And on the master stroke to end all master strokes...

Julian Ryder is quoting MM as saying, "He changed to soft on grid as medium didn't feel good on sighting lap. But soft was destroyed in one lap so had to pit."

That his bike was set up ready to go on slicks is not entirely due to luck, that's good management. Of course it could have pissed down as he exited pit lane and a different story would've been written. In those conditions the race becomes a raffle, but Marquez and his team seem to get it right more often than not.

[roogazza]

Yamahas new fairing. Although for Rossi,he thinks it won't be used in Austria as top speed is affected . Speed is important in Austria so he says. He likes the new Ohlins too which give a lighter feel to the front of the bike. Doocati have been using them for a while.
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[EJK]

Yamahas new fairing. Although for Rossi,he thinks it won't be used in Austria as top speed is affected . Speed is important in Austria so he says. He likes the new Ohlins too which give a lighter feel to the front of the bike. Doocati have been using them for a while.
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That's got new Yamaha R1 design written all over it. :drool:

Plz Yamaha, make it to production..!

[pritch]

He likes the new Ohlins too which give a lighter feel to the front of the bike. Doocati have been using them for a while.


Dunno I'd like those forks on a road bike. Carbon fibre pushbike frames apparently have a high failure rate and a crash on a motorbike is potentially more catastrophic. OK if you've got a team of mechanics to look after them, but the price should stop them appearing on road bikes for a decade or two.


Rossi is happy with them but Vinales is not.

[speights_bud]

Dunno I'd like those forks on a road bike. Carbon fibre pushbike frames apparently have a high failure rate and a crash on a motorbike is potentially more catastrophic. OK if you've got a team of mechanics to look after them, but the price should stop them appearing on road bikes for a decade or two.


Rossi is happy with them but Vinales is not.

Interesting note from that photo. They appear at first glance to use a similar principle to lightweight Rifle barrels. A metal core with the Carbon wrap adding strength to reduce flex and harmonics.

Kiwi crowd Hardy Engineering are making the barrels here.
https://hardyrifleengineering.co.nz/product/65-hardy-match-grade-barrel-carbon-wrapped/#.WYp4WYSGO70

[Autech]

Dunno I'd like those forks on a road bike. Carbon fibre pushbike frames apparently have a high failure rate and a crash on a motorbike is potentially more catastrophic. OK if you've got a team of mechanics to look after them, but the price should stop them appearing on road bikes for a decade or two.


Rossi is happy with them but Vinales is not.

Yeah Vinales reckons it makes it too twitchy, Rossi says anything that makes it easier to turn at his age is a good thing lol.

Lots of talk about the pit stop rule, I'm all for the suggestion of Pedrosa to bring in the minimum time in pit, it 100% takes the time from entering the pit and leaving out of the equation, less F1 if you will, though it's still down to the teams and riders to make the call on wets or slicks but that's just good race management as well as lottery predictions

[merv]

Lots of talk about the pit stop rule, I'm all for the suggestion of Pedrosa to bring in the minimum time in pit, it 100% takes the time from entering the pit and leaving out of the equation, less F1 if you will, though it's still down to the teams and riders to make the call on wets or slicks but that's just good race management as well as lottery predictions

I prefer just what Marquez said have a lollipop guy, which you'd still need with the timed option anyway to control the exit on time, but I'm not in favour of the timed option. A team should be able to benefit from being quick - happens at Daytona, Isle of Man and just about anywhere else there are pitstops.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I prefer just what Marquez said have a lollipop guy, which you'd still need with the timed option anyway to control the exit on time, but I'm not in favour of the timed option. A team should be able to benefit from being quick - happens at Daytona, Isle of Man and just about anywhere else there are pitstops.

Agree 100%. It's a team sport after all. Your teamwork lets you down...tough titties.

[merv]

Agree 100%. It's a team sport after all. Your teamwork lets you down...tough titties.

Yep, especially when there is a teams championship and a manufacturers championship going on at the same time as the riders championship.

[mulletman]

Heres a vid showing Aleix & Andereas crash


https://www.gpone.com/en/2017/08/08/motogp/aleix-iannone-incident-a-video-exonerates-the-mechanic.html

[roogazza]

Dear George,

You’ve been standing up on that podium all night. You need to come down. It’s kinda creepy you up there in the dark waving your arms around and yelling, and me down here using my smartphone like a torch.

Everyone has gone home. The Automotorotonotodromo, or whatever it is these unreconstructed Chechyan communists call the place, is closed. Even the gypsies who steal peoples’ wallets have left.

There’s just you and me, and some of our mechanics who are too drunk to drive and are sleeping on the tyre piles out the back of the garage.

I’m running out of phone battery, George. I do not know how long my phone-light will last. And when it goes out, the wolves will come for us.

That may be just as well.

I don’t even want to look at my emails and phone messages. They’re all from Germany. And I know what they’re about.

And no, they’re not about you getting a pay-rise because you won yesterday. I told you before, there is no Special Spartan Rule S32.08.1in Dorna’s regulations. Carmelo punched me in the last kidney I have left when I brought him your big thick folder with all the Special Spartan Rules you had written, and told me to get out of his bedroom.

So no, you don’t get to decide when the race ends. I know the Moto2 race was shortened to six laps, but that was Race Direction’s call, not Passini’s.

I know you’re struggling with this, but the rider in the lead does not get to decide how many laps a race has. So as much as you like to think you won the Three-Lap Wet-Butter Sprint according to Special Spartan Rule S32.08.1, there were 19 more laps after those three which you didn’t win.

And they were dry, George. All 19 of them. They were not, as you keep yelling, “Parade Laps of Victory”. They were actually race laps.

And they were as dry as the ink on your Ducati contract, which is now, apparently in the hands of damp-handed German lawyers in Berlin, who are under instructions by Matthias to “Get us the bastard fuck out of this shit”.

So come down. I will spray you with chain-lube, if you like. It’s just like that Freixenet garbage. You won’t know the difference, I promise. Mario can even put on a Monster Girl outfit if you like and kiss you on the cheek. He likes to wear them anyway.

Look, just follow my light and try not to fall down the stairs. I’ll be down here on the track keeping an eye out for the wolves.

Scared and alone,

Gigi.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Dear George,






Gigi.

The Rossi Fan Boi that writes that shit, has seriously run out of material.

[pritch]

The Rossi Fan Boi that writes that shit, has seriously run out of material.

Nah. He's still doing a good job. There was an unexpected bonus a while back, some humourless keyboard warrior in Asia had a go at him. Some of the resulting correspondence was quite amusing.

[manxkiwi]

I prefer just what Marquez said have a lollipop guy, which you'd still need with the timed option anyway to control the exit on time, but I'm not in favour of the timed option. A team should be able to benefit from being quick - happens at Daytona, Isle of Man and just about anywhere else there are pitstops.

Slight diff at the TT is: the fuel fill takes longer than the wheel change and everything else, in a 'normal' pit stop. So it sort of controls the duration by default. They banned quick fillers in the 70s.

[roogazza]

The Rossi Fan Boi that writes that shit, has seriously run out of material.

Don't ya like Boris Pete ?
Just trying to fill the void till Austria. Which I hope has no Pit Stops,the Weather is great and the Michelins work. :laugh:

Maybe a Yamaha win for a change ? :confused:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Don't ya like Boris Pete ?
Just trying to fill the void till Austria. Which I hope has no Pit Stops,the Weather is great and the Michelins work. :laugh:

Maybe a Yamaha win for a change ? :confused:

Ahhhh...is he the raving scrotum behind it? Never did like his ramblings. He's his own biggest fan by miles. I'm thinking if you want a Yamaha to win, you'd best do a rain dance mate. I'm thinking if it's dry, the Ducatis will simply be too fast.

[roogazza]

Ahhhh...is he the raving scrotum behind it? Never did like his ramblings. He's his own biggest fan by miles. I'm thinking if you want a Yamaha to win, you'd best do a rain dance mate. I'm thinking if it's dry, the Ducatis will simply be too fast.
Yeah bud, ex AMCN and has his site called "Bikeme".
Austria is stop/start but fast as I remember ? to suit Ducs' again ?
But yeah live in hope, heh heh ! Rossi will slip on his fast Fairing ? :confused:

[mulletman]

Jack Miller signs with Ducati for a year..

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/872197/1/jack-miller-confirmed-at-pramac-ducati

[roogazza]

Jack Miller signs with Ducati for a year..

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/872197/1/jack-miller-confirmed-at-pramac-ducati

yeah just reading that on Motomatters. Contract with Ducati too and not pramac. Reckon Redding is a gone coon now where would he go ? Moto2 or BSB ?

[mulletman]

yeah just reading that on Motomatters. Contract with Ducati too and not pramac. Reckon Redding is a gone coon now where would he go ? Moto2 or BSB ?

Barring a possible change at Aprilia, the completion of the Pramac line-up leaves only Avintia (two seats), Aspar (one seat), Marc VDS (one seat) and a second LCR seat as to-be-confirmed for 2018

[pritch]

Redding has gone to Aprilia, Lowes is out in the cold.

[Reckless]

Jack Miller signs with Ducati for a year..

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/872197/1/jack-miller-confirmed-at-pramac-ducati

This will either make or break Miller.
He'll either gel with the Ducati or there will be no contract for him anywhere next year I reckon.
His big mouth has mellowed a bit so hope he does well.

[pritch]

Austria is stop/start but fast as I remember ? to suit Ducs' again ?


Three drag strips with a few corners?

[pritch]

It is wet in Austria and there have been a lot of crashes.

Lowes manager says he is in talks with Marc VDS but it's reported that Lowes had a two year contract with Aprilia. There is speculation about performance clauses or a buyout.

Update: Lowes says if he can't get another ride in Moto GP he will go back to Moto2 and try and win the title.

[mulletman]

No real surprise that Mark Marquez is on pole this weekend, he's been ahead of everyone
all weekend.
Dovi 2nd with Lorenzo 3rd , Iannone had an engine let go while flat out luckily not dumping
crap on the track.

Spielberg, Saturday, August 12, 2017


1 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 310.8 1'23.235
2 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Ducati Team Ducati 306.0 1'23.379 0.144 / 0.144
3 99 Jorge LORENZO SPA Ducati Team Ducati 305.3 1'23.621 0.386 / 0.242
4 25 Maverick VIÑALES SPA Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha 305.5 1'23.754 0.519 / 0.133
5 9 Danilo PETRUCCI ITA OCTO Pramac Racing Ducati 302.6 1'23.780 0.545 / 0.026
6 5 Johann ZARCO FRA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha 305.9 1'23.879 0.644 / 0.099
7 46 Valentino ROSSI ITA Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha 304.2 1'23.982 0.747 / 0.103
8 26 Dani PEDROSA SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 308.0 1'23.985 0.750 / 0.003
9 35 Cal CRUTCHLOW GBR LCR Honda Honda 303.7 1'24.024 0.789 / 0.039
10 29 Andrea IANNONE ITA Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki 302.5 1'24.185 0.950 / 0.161
11 17 Karel ABRAHAM CZE Pull&Bear Aspar Team Ducati 308.6 1'24.220 0.985 / 0.035
12 76 Loris BAZ FRA Reale Avintia Racing Ducati 303.2 1'24.483 1.248 / 0.263

[pritch]

There are safety concerns with the track. When wet "it's like a skating rink" and in practice, when riders went down, some of them slid surprisingly long distances.
This was to be discussed at the safety commission.

Because the track is also used by F1 there are hard barriers around parts of the circuit, hopefully far enough away from the action not to be a problem but...

After considering this some of the MotoGP riders have announced that they will not ride if the track is wet. So far none of those at the sharp end of the points are included in that number.

On another safety related matter, for some time Alex Briggs (mechanic for Rossi) has been advocating for a speed limit in pit lane during bike changes. Following the incident last week there will now be just such a rule. Presumably the riders will just use the limiter button on the handlebar.


Update: https://motomatters.com/analysis/2017/08/13/2017_austria_saturday_motogp_round_up.html

[Autech]

Predictions

JL
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MM dnf after tucking the front into turn 2.



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[EJK]

Marquez
Rossi
Petrucci

JL DNF
Crashlow DNF

[Dadpole]

MM
Dovi
Rossi (I hope)

[Crasherfromwayback]

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[pritch]

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Close. If you backed that you have money coming.

Wot a thriller of a finish! I was starting to yawn and get sleepy but the last lap fixed that, I'm wide awake now. Ah well, it's not like I have to get up early.

[eelracing]

Yawn? Hell Pritch that whole race was an edge of seat thriller.
How Marquez makes that honda turn in is worth admission alone.
Fantastic race.

[mulletman]

Yep smart race from Dovi combined with Duke power .

[roogazza]

Yep smart race from Dovi combined with Duke power .

yep good thing he was in Con ten tion ! Classic,classic pass, classic moves, classic everything.:shutup:

Yamaha struggled but thems the breaks. Thought MM would do Dovi at the end but no !

[Autech]

Dani Pedrosa back into contention with a classic classic little bit wide blah blah blah.

Fucking tops race, MM put on a show just glad his showmanship didn't end with both riders on the ground. Dovi made him his bitch though, clever racing.
That track surprises with just how good the racing is.

How's fucking fast is the Honda now? Watching MM out of the corners n DP slice through the field, its going to be a very hard championship to win from here I think if the Honda is that good.

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[pritch]

Casey Stoner had something to say:

"What a great ride from Mika Kallio! I think both of the current @KTM_Racing riders need to step up!"

If Kalio was on equal machinery that would be hard to argue with.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Close. If you backed that you have money coming.

.

$80.00 x $2.75. Awesome race.

[roogazza]

Casey Stoner had something to say:

"What a great ride from Mika Kallio! I think both of the current @KTM_Racing riders need to step up!"

If Kalio was on equal machinery that would be hard to argue with.

Agree with that,been thinking Pol has been going ok tho. Kallio maybe take Bwadleys bike ? :lol:

[Mental Trousers]

Casey Stoner had something to say:

"What a great ride from Mika Kallio! I think both of the current @KTM_Racing riders need to step up!"

If Kalio was on equal machinery that would be hard to argue with.

Been a fan of Mika Kallio's since way back. He just scored KTMs best dry result and he's the farken test rider. KTM want him to stay fast, which is why he's wild carding a few races this season but with that result the 2 regulars should be worried.

[pritch]

Been a fan of Mika Kallio's since way back. He just scored KTMs best dry result and he's the farken test rider. KTM want him to stay fast, which is why he's wild carding a few races this season but with that result the 2 regulars should be worried.

To be fair the Red Bull Ring is probably Kalio's office, KTM being an Austrian factory and all. Even so his result was better than what the test rider is supposed to get.

[James Deuce]

Best race in ages. That was a good shove from Dovi in parc ferme.

[Mental Trousers]

Been a fan of Mika Kallio's since way back. He just scored KTMs best dry result and he's the farken test rider. KTM want him to stay fast, which is why he's wild carding a few races this season but with that result the 2 regulars should be worried.

To be fair the Red Bull Ring is probably Kalio's office, KTM being an Austrian factory and all. Even so his result was better than what the test rider is supposed to get.

He's probably done more laps of that place than all of the MotoGP riders put together.

He wasn't far off 9th either, Loris BAZ +19.620 and Mika KALLIO +19.766.

Job security isn't a problem for Mike Kallio now though. He's looking like extremely good value for money for KTM.

[Autech]

They will need a rider as fast as him to continue developing the bike, will be a shame if he drops them but can't blame a racer for wanting to race

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[sugilite]

Agree with that,been thinking Pol has been going ok tho. Kallio maybe take Bwadleys bike ? :lol:
Did you see Bwwaaaadleys scintillating rampage from 19th to 18th place - what a charger!

Congratulations to Dovi, played his hand perfectly and a deserved winner.
Thinking about how MM likes all the remaining tracks - hard to imagine him not winning the whole show, unless the MV of the first three races shows up again.
Don't think Rossi is going to get that 10th maybe ever, amazing rider still!
Lorenzo is looking better and better, should podium again surely. I kinda would like to see him win one, somthing is wrong with me WTF :wacko:

[Dadpole]

Lorenzo is looking better and better, should podium again surely. I kinda would like to see him win one, somthing is wrong with me WTF :wacko:

I am another sicko hoping to see him back on form. I had high hopes for Austria...

[Autech]

Did you see Bwwaaaadleys scintillating rampage from 19th to 18th place - what a charger!

Congratulations to Dovi, played his hand perfectly and a deserved winner.
Thinking about how MM likes all the remaining tracks - hard to imagine him not winning the whole show, unless the MV of the first three races shows up again.
Don't think Rossi is going to get that 10th maybe ever, amazing rider still!
Lorenzo is looking better and better, should podium again surely. I kinda would like to see him win one, somthing is wrong with me WTF :wacko:Dani will win a few more. MV might win in Silverstone but otherwise looking very much like a MM title

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[ellipsis]

I am another sicko hoping to see him back on form.


...must be catching then...falling from grace is easy, coming back is the test...I'd like to see him return to some kind of contenders form...doesn't mean I will start liking the snivelly little cunt...

[BMWST?]

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[pritch]

Was recently thinking about the current state of affairs in MotoGP. When I first became interested in motorcycle racing it was written on stone tablets that Surtees would win every 500cc GP and Hartle would finish second. They had the only factory entries. The rest of the field could fight over the left overs.

There followed a brief period where Hailwood and Hocking could compete equally, but following that Agostini would win after lapping the entire field in the process.

Currently it is actually hard to pick a podium and if Lorenzo gets his mojo back it will become just that little bit more difficult.
Casting my mind back I can't recall a time where things have been this competitive. Should KTM and/or Aprilia get their ducks in a row it can only get better.
It may well be that in the future people will ragard this as "the golden age" of motorcycle racing. So the thought occurs that we are seriously lucky to be following bike racing these days...

Enjoy.

[Reckless]

For those with MotoGp subscriptions really enjoyed the information and Banter at the Post race Conference.
http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2017/08/13/austriangp-post-race-press-conference/236997

Found it on Utube to for the unsubscribed guys :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FR5EFcIg20

Dovi really held himself back from saying the MM passing move was simply crazy.

One of the things I pay my subscription for (well I go halves LOL)
Love the pre race and after conferences.

[Drew]

What a bloody shit race track.

[merv]

Have a look at this video, it is in Italian I'm guessing, but from the angle that is taken it all looks like fair competition and overtaking to me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ld_qxPGXvp4

[Autech]

Looked like a fucking divebomb to me, so much so I'm surprised a stuka siren did not sound! Dovi heard it though and made him his bitch. Great racing.

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/872559/1/crutchlow-mcphee-considered-crafty-bike-swap

Imagine that! Also how cool would it be to see the moto3 and gp bikes on the same track, I'm imagining Joan Mir riding around the outside of Marquez, would be fun viewing!

[James Deuce]

Bye Bwadley!

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/872527/1/mika-kallio-wants-fulltime-motogp-return

[EJK]

Looked like a fucking divebomb to me, so much so I'm surprised a stuka siren did not sound! Dovi heard it though and made him his bitch. Great racing.

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/872559/1/crutchlow-mcphee-considered-crafty-bike-swap

Imagine that! Also how cool would it be to see the moto3 and gp bikes on the same track, I'm imagining Joan Mir riding around the outside of Marquez, would be fun viewing!

LOL that'd been awesome..!

[ellipsis]

Have a look at this video, it is in Italian I'm guessing, but from the angle that is taken it all looks like fair competition and overtaking to me


...I wouldn't feel safe being near you on a track then merv...

[pritch]

What a bloody shit race track.

You aren't really "a glass half full" kind of guy are you? :innocent:

[Autech]

You aren't really "a glass half full" kind of guy are you? :innocent:

I love how Drews been gone for ages, pops in to comment on how shit a track is then fucks off again.

According to Drew the Red Bull Ring is a shit track, and they should all race pit bikes on go kart tracks instead.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Have a look at this video, it is in Italian I'm guessing, but from the angle that is taken it all looks like fair competition and overtaking to me]

Ditto. If you know the guy is gonna more than likely have a go at the last turn...be ready to cut back inside him and give him the learn. Does nobody remember 2007?


...I wouldn't feel safe being near you on a track then merv...

No prob with it! Banzi!!!

[EJK]

I love how Drews been gone for ages, pops in to comment on how shit a track is then fucks off again.

According to Drew the Red Bull Ring is a shit track, and they should all race pit bikes on go kart tracks instead.

10 varchar

[Drew]

Jesus, anyone would think you cocks designed the friggin track.

I reckon it's a crap bike racing track. Why is that a problem?

[Autech]

10 varcharLol
Jesus, anyone would think you cocks designed the friggin track.

I reckon it's a crap bike racing track. Why is that a problem?PMSL, just winding you up.

The track is a bit basic but it brought about some pretty epic racing, so agree its a shit track but surprisingly good for racing.

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[Crasherfromwayback]

I reckon it's a crap bike racing track. Why is that a problem?

You prob didn't like Hockenheim either!

[Drew]

You prob didn't like Hockenheim either!

Don't remember ever seeing a bike race there.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Don't remember ever seeing a bike race there.

Showing your age then. That, or just your late interest in motorcycle racing. First racetrack (during a race anyway) an NSR500 topped 200mph Sonny Jim. Was some fucking epic races at that place.

[pritch]

I reckon it's a crap bike racing track. Why is that a problem?

It definitely needs work, but it's not like the owners are broke so the work may get done. The pundits say fast tracks provide good racing, That is the fastest track on the calendar and it surely was a good race.

And now for something completely different: I was wrong about that track being Kalio's office. Apparently he hasn't been on it since July last year, which makes his performance even more impressive. It also raises the question as to where KTM actually do test?

[James Deuce]

Showing your age then. That, or just your late interest in motorcycle racing. First racetrack (during a race anyway) an NSR500 topped 200mph Sonny Jim. Was some fucking epic races at that place.
Thank you for reminding me.

When those squarehead, sausage munching, goose stepping fascist Greenie bastards neutered Hockenheim and left Jim Clark's memorial in the middle of a fucking forest I swore I'd never vote Green ever. I can cross them off the list in NZ.

I'm building one of these fuckers.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOCUFQkZ8e4

[merv]

Showing your age then. That, or just your late interest in motorcycle racing. First racetrack (during a race anyway) an NSR500 topped 200mph Sonny Jim. Was some fucking epic races at that place.

Including the days when Aaron Slight was Superbike racing :cool:

[merv]

Thank you for reminding me.

When those squarehead, sausage munching, goose stepping fascist Greenie bastards neutered Hockenheim and left Jim Clark's memorial in the middle of a fucking forest I swore I'd never vote Green ever. I can cross them off the list in NZ.

I'm building one of these fuckers.



Crikey, a Volkswagen diesel :wacko:

[Mental Trousers]

What a bloody shit race track.

I like it, mainly cos it's something different to all of the other tracks. These days all of the high speed circuits have been replaced, mostly due to safety concerns. But the high speed tracks often produce some of the best races.


Bye Bwadley!

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/872527/1/mika-kallio-wants-fulltime-motogp-return

Now that wouldn't be a bad thing at all.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Including the days when Aaron Slight was Superbike racing :cool:

Yep. Who did he muscle out, and then the cunt ran over his own leg and broke it bad?

[pritch]

If yer into Secret Squirrel stuff you might find this interesting.

http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opinion/motogp/ducati-s-grip-computer-enhanced

[steveyb]

Word from the commentators in FP1 that Bradders seat at KTM is under pressure.
I know MotoGP is a pretty cutthroat world, but I think that is a bit unfair.
Smith said that the bikes that he and Pol ride are often not the same and they are developing a new bike.
I think it would be unfair to ditch him after one season.
But hey, results count and Mika might be the man.

And CHOICE to see Tom coming up to MotoGP with MVDS!

[James Deuce]

Word from the commentators in FP1 that Bradders seat at KTM is under pressure.
I know MotoGP is a pretty cutthroat world, but I think that is a bit unfair.
Smith said that the bikes that he and Pol ride are often not the same and they are developing a new bike.
I think it would be unfair to ditch him after one season.
But hey, results count and Mika might be the man.

And CHOICE to see Tom coming up to MotoGP with MVDS!
Tom who???

[BMWST?]

Tom who???

Tom Luthi 10 char

[James Deuce]

Tom Luthi 10 char
Cheers. I like Luthi, but every time I get a bit excited about how he's going, he fades down the order in a lacklustre way.

Bradley's done, put Kallio on the lead KTM and ditch P. Espargaro as well. The ex-Tech 3 boys have been shown for the midfielders they are after Folger and Zarco's performances this year. Put Ianone on the other KTM. Then they'll have a well-rounded development man who can race at the pointy end in Mika and a crash and burn merchant in Andrea with something to prove to get a couple of good results.

[Mental Trousers]

Tom Luthi 10 char
Cheers. I like Luthi, but every time I get a bit excited about how he's going, he fades down the order in a lacklustre way.

He has tended to do that, but I'm hoping he'll stop fucking around and get on with the job.


Bradley's done, put Kallio on the lead KTM

Will be great to see Mika back regularly. He seemed to get ground down by the pressure to perform and taking a step back to Moto2 then as a factory test rider seems to have done him some good.

[speights_bud]

Did I see Marquez also using the new carbon fibre forks? Had a look back at last round and appears he had them too? Did we know This? I Thought Ducati had been using them first and Yamaha were just getting on board with them.

[Dave-]

Anyone else get an email from motogp.com warning that unless you added an address to your account the service that you paid for would be made unavailable from the 4th of September?

I decided motogp.com don't need my address so gave them 123 fuck off street, you don't need my address, New Zealand.

#soedgy

[James Deuce]

Did I see Marquez also using the new carbon fibre forks? Had a look back at last round and appears he had them too? Did we know This? I Thought Ducati had been using them first and Yamaha were just getting on board with them.
Yes, really interesting watching the front suspension in slomo using almost it's full stroke while at full lean, with little apparent deflection, while trail braking and riding the curb and smashing over bumps all within 20-30 metres.

[george formby]

Anyone else get an email from motogp.com warning that unless you added an address to your account the service that you paid for would be made unavailable from the 4th of September?

I decided motogp.com don't need my address so gave them 123 fuck off street, you don't need my address, New Zealand.

#soedgy

Yup, I got it. Gave them your address. Service resumed as normal.:whistle:

In all cerealness I did respond to the e-mail. They didn't ask for anything more than whats in the phone book, didn't even ask for a number.

[James Deuce]

Yup, I got it. Gave them your address. Service resumed as normal.:whistle:

In all cerealness I did respond to the e-mail. They didn't ask for anything more than whats in the phone book, didn't even ask for a number.
What's a "phone book"?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yup, I got it. Gave them your address. Service resumed as normal.:whistle:

.

I've never seen said email. And I'd tell them to fuck off too. Pity the cunting race is on at 2.30 tomorrow morning. That's too late for this kid.

[Autech]

I've never seen said email. And I'd tell them to fuck off too. Pity the cunting race is on at 2.30 tomorrow morning. That's too late for this kid.My boss has given me the morning off to sleep in so I will be watching.

VR
CC
MV
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JL
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MM dnf (the championship needs it)

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[Crasherfromwayback]

VR
CC
MV
AD
DP
JL
AE

MM dnf (the championship needs it)

k

Not even.

MM

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VR

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JL

[Drew]

Gutted. Thought the old boy had that sewn up from the get go.

Ah well, championship is still alive and interesting.

[pritch]

Pity the cunting race is on at 2.30 tomorrow morning. That's too late for this kid.

Me too, but I woke up during the night and thought to look at the watch - 2.20AM. Perfect. Got up and put the jug on.

Felt sorry for Marquez but Rossi had one blow last year. I guess that just reflects how reliable the modern GP bikes are.

[mulletman]

Me too, but I woke up during the night and thought to look at the watch - 2.20AM. Perfect. Got up and put the jug on.

Felt sorry for Marquez but Rossi had one blow last year. I guess that just reflects how reliable the modern GP bikes are.

Geeze felt sorry for Alex Rins , his off on the outlap during warm up was horrible..

Dovi is certainly using his smarts at when to use the Duke power at the crucial part of the race good on him.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Felt sorry for Marquez but Rossi had one blow last year. I guess that just reflects how reliable the modern GP bikes are.

Yeah, but as you say, Rossi had one too. It's part of it. Most unusual for a Honda though I must say. Dovi is looking like a serious contender. Good on him. I felt for Rossi actually. He rode an incredible race. Obviously just used up too much tyre. He was looking very Lorenoish.

[Drew]

Seems that the mitchies are like pirelli. The soft lasts in higher temps because it's the one that can cope with more heat.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Seems that the mitchies are like pirelli. The soft lasts in higher temps because it's the one that can cope with more heat.

MM certainly had a huge moment early on with the hard rear...

[pritch]

From some of the comments here I suspect most have not read the item I linked to in post #1192. Ducati have F1 sofware that is thought to be giving them a tyre wear advantage. If you're going to have two advantages, power and tyres would be pretty good advantages to have.

The question would seem to be, how long will it take the others to catch up?

[Drew]

From some of the comments here I suspect most have not read the item I linked to in post #1192. Ducati have F1 sofware that is thought to be giving them a tyre wear advantage. If you're going to have two advantages, power and tyres would be pretty good advantages to have.

The question would seem to be, how long will it take the others to catch up?
That doesn't really explain Vinales on a soft rear hoop on a Yamaha now does it.

[Autech]

That doesn't really explain Vinales on a soft rear hoop on a Yamaha now does it.Its certainly mixed things up. Imagine if they had stuck with the softer carcus a few months back, I doubt MM would be ahead of any of the others. He who chooses the right tyre and doesn't cane it too much wins

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[roogazza]

Me too, but I woke up during the night and thought to look at the watch - 2.20AM. Perfect. Got up and put the jug on.
.

I'm on this stuff called Prednisone at the mo, bed at 11pm ,wide awake at 2.00am ! Like you, got the coffee on and saw it live.
Dovi swapped back the Fairing too ,as if the Doocati didn't have enough HP as it is. :shifty:

[Autech]

I'm on this stuff called Prednisone at the mo, bed at 11pm ,wide awake at 2.00am ! Like you, got the coffee on and saw it live.
Dovi swapped back the Fairing too ,as if the Doocati didn't have enough HP as it is. :shifty:Yeah fuck me did he blast MM like he was standing still.

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[BMWST?]

That doesn't really explain Vinales on a soft rear hoop on a Yamaha now does it.

not if you regard the soft -hard continuum as in the past.These new fangled compounds seem to have different propertiees to what we are used too.And the soft-medium -hards are all very similar .I cant get my head around how softs can cope with the heat better tho......

[EJK]

Now that's what I call giving over 100%. Carbon brakes isn't enough he uses boots to further slow down haha

[speights_bud]

Geeze felt sorry for Alex Rins , his off on the outlap during warm up was horrible..

Dovi is certainly using his smarts at when to use the Duke power at the crucial part of the race good on him.

Twas Folger, bike got some decent air time. Poor bastard, air fences save lives.

[SPman]

What happened to Espargaro binning the KTM after the finish line? Weird.

[mulletman]

Twas Folger, bike got some decent air time. Poor bastard, air fences save lives.

Thanks for that, not sure how I fucked that up :facepalm:

https://www.gpone.com/en/2017/08/27/motogp/folger-what-a-scare-no-brakes-at-more-than-300-kmh.html

[Drew]

not if you regard the soft -hard continuum as in the past.These new fangled compounds seem to have different propertiees to what we are used too.And the soft-medium -hards are all very similar .I cant get my head around how softs can cope with the heat better tho......
With Pirelli, the soft rubber works at a higher temperature. So when the track temp is up a bit, they work better for longer. It seems totally wrong I know, but the harder compound overheats the surface rubber and starts to tear up before the carcass has enough temp in it.

We found the best way to combat that was to use the blanket thingies over the warmers and get the whole tyre and rim too hot to hold onto. Works ok so long as it's not a windy day and the rim doesn't cool down between leaving the pits and the lights going out.

[Autech]

What happened to Espargaro binning the KTM after the finish line? Weird.Looked mechanical to me, wonder if it ran out of gas? Sudden decel whilst leant over on cooked tyres...

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[James Deuce]

Looked mechanical to me, wonder if it ran out of gas? Sudden decel whilst leant over on cooked tyres...

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Either that or a mode selection fail.

[Autech]

Either that or a mode selection fail.Engaged highside mode lol

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[James Deuce]

Engaged highside mode lol

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I think fuel starvation is the likely cause, but how it happened is up for debate.

[george formby]

Now that's what I call giving over 100%. Carbon brakes isn't enough he uses boots to further slow down haha

I was quite jaw dropped by that. Imagine welding your boot onto the peg...:crazy:

[BMWST?]

MM looked pretty relaxed and in line compared to his usual style..i wonder how it would have turned out.Dovis pass on VR was very assured.He just stayed in VRs way,I think VR sorta let the brakes off a wee bit thinking he would eventually be able to get back in front.Dovi is really showing he has confidence in his own pace

[Autech]

MM looked pretty relaxed and in line compared to his usual style..i wonder how it would have turned out.Dovis pass on VR was very assured.He just stayed in VRs way,I think VR sorta let the brakes off a wee bit thinking he would eventually be able to get back in front.Dovi is really showing he has confidence in his own paceMy guess is in the alternate universe without the engine failure
AD
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MM vs VR vs CC for 3rd, with much elbows and awesome battling.

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[pritch]

It's on Yamahas and tyres but still doesn't answer Drew's burning question. In fact it reminds me of the old thing, "If it hasn't enhanced your understanding, I trust it will at least have added breadth and depth to your incomprehension".

http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opinion/motogp/rossi-back-game

[mulletman]

I think fuel starvation is the likely cause, but how it happened is up for debate.

On the MGP site crash review it said Pols KTM gearbox was the issue.

[ellipsis]

...I wonder how Vale's season will go now with a couple of broken bones in his leg...

[mulletman]

...I wonder how Vale's season will go now with a couple of broken bones in his leg...

Wonder if Mavs been told to keep off the dirt bikes ?

[roogazza]

Bugger i was hopin for resurgence from the Yams at Misano. Wonder how bad the breaks are ?
Its the game they play tho huh ? :eek5:

[ellipsis]

Bugger i was hopin for resurgence from the Yams at Misano. Wonder how bad the breaks are ?
Its the game they play tho huh ? :eek5:

...same breaks in the leg as last time...tibia and fibula...

[Crasherfromwayback]

...same breaks in the leg as last time...tibia and fibula...

That's actually a real shame. On the flip side, it'll at least give the fan bois a better excuse for no tenth title than the ridiculous conspiracy theory that was MM and Lorenzo working in tandem. :wacko:

[HenryDorsetCase]

That's actually a real shame. On the flip side, it'll at least give the fan bois a better excuse for no tenth title than the ridiculous conspiracy theory that was MM and Lorenzo working in tandem. :wacko:

:( I am sad

[EJK]

Damn, goodbye 10th title.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Damn, goodbye 10th title.

There was never gonna be one unless he went via the Superbike route... :innocent:

[James Deuce]

There was never gonna be one unless he went via the Superbike route... :innocent:
He wouldn't have won one there either, because he would have given up after almost being bored to death. BSB is vastly more entertaining and competitive than WSBK.

[pritch]

A pity. Apparently the lad has been training harder than ever: two sessions on the bike and a session in the gym each day. Guess we'll have 'Kats' for at least a couple of GPs. Not quite the same.

[BMWST?]

That could be serious.Dispalcd say to me both bones completely broken through.That means his lower leg is completely unstable.Both bones will have to be pinned and or plated.A mate had this break.It took the hospital about three goes to get it right.Lower leg injuries can be slow to heal because blood flow is low down there.I am not going to say the next bit.

[James Deuce]

That could be serious.Dispalcd say to me both bones completely broken through.That means his lower leg is completely unstable.Both bones will have to be pinned and or plated.A mate had this break.It took the hospital about three goes to get it right.Lower leg injuries can be slow to heal because blood flow is low down there.I am not going to say the next bit.
Wife had the same thing. OP went well but long term issues arise. Healing process is looooong.

[ellipsis]

. Healing process is looooong.

...you can say that again...I did some big damage to my leg 40 or so years ago, my brain hasn't been working well ever since...

[pritch]

That could be serious. Displaced say to me both bones completely broken through.

That's what I read into it. Still, these guys have the best surgeons and they are super fit, but even so that sounds serious.

[James Deuce]

...you can say that again...I did some big damage to my leg 40 or so years ago, my brain hasn't been working well ever since...
That shit happens to me too. 10 broken ribs and I can never find my keys anymore.

[Autech]

...you can say that again...I did some big damage to my leg 40 or so years ago, my brain hasn't been working well ever since...Probably more the 40years or so than the leg bit

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[pritch]

So if you have a couple of minutes while we wait, a video tourist brochure...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApIxvphYBuQ

[malcy25]

I think fuel starvation is the likely cause, but how it happened is up for debate.

Obviously we have read the news articles which now talk gearbox, but fuel starvation won't cause a highside like that....just gives the same effect as a shut throttle, and the slipper clutch will mute that effect even.

Anything after the clutch (ie between the clutch and the rear wheel), now that is where you get rear problems. I've had broken circlips in the gearbox which allowed two gear engaged at the same time (twice), and an a broken chain jammed in the back wheel. All three scenarios you are along for the ride as you can't pull the clutch and free wheel. Two i kept upright as luckily they were low speed and straight line but still arrived beyond full lock in a hairpin....the last hurt and destroyed a helmet, and the side of my bike.

[James Deuce]

Obviously we have read the news articles which now talk gearbox, but fuel starvation won't cause a highside like that....just gives the same effect as a shut throttle, and the slipper clutch will mute that effect even.

Anything after the clutch (ie between the clutch and the rear wheel), now that is where you get rear problems. I've had broken circlips in the gearbox which allowed two gear engaged at the same time (twice), and an a broken chain jammed in the back wheel. All three scenarios you are along for the ride as you can't pull the clutch and free wheel. Two i kept upright as luckily they were low speed and straight line but still arrived beyond full lock in a hairpin....the last hurt and destroyed a helmet, and the side of my bike.
Had a throttle cable snap on the race track. High-sided to bejeezus. Tyre was spinning. It stopped spinning when the throttle shut abruptly. My wife was unhappy with me. Was told to get a pilot's license if I wanted to fly.