MotoGP 2017

[malcy25]

Had a throttle cable snap on the race track. High-sided to bejeezus. Tyre was spinning. It stopped spinning when the throttle shut abruptly. My wife was unhappy with me. Was told to get a pilot's license if I wanted to fly.

ouuuuuch! Yeah, that's probably the one time that you'd get caught, the drive (or more correctly, too much drive!) to no drive situation. On the over run though, little issue. Had a near miss recently :
I hook another gear at redline coming out of a sweeper, accelerated some, then it jumped back a gear, dumping me into the rev limiter....pushed me wide, nearly off the track and if you had a mike inside the helmet the replay would be a lot of swearing as I got it pulled back at the track edge....

[Autech]

My Hyosung had a dodgy sidestand kill switch which decided to shut the engine off when full leant (on road thankfully) a few times. Bricks were shat

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[jim.cox]

Agreed

Engine sprocket coming off and locking up chain and rear wheel while leaned over in a corner is NOT a nice feeling

[steveyb]

So if you have a couple of minutes while we wait, a video tourist brochure...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApIxvphYBuQ

That is really quite attractive. Shows what you can do with a bit of will and flair.
How about in NZ?
Yeah, nah......

[BMWST?]

cant find the article again but VR already released from hospital after operation

[eelracing]

cant find the article again but VR already released from hospital after operation

I got out on thursday after rebreaking my tib and fib on the saturday VMXing.Old rod removed,ankle screwed together and new longer rod and more screws fitted.

Surgeon says 4 months to heal...WTF.
I want Rossis drugs.

Pre op xray

[Crasherfromwayback]

Surgeon says 4 months to heal...WTF.
y

Seems a bit excessive. But rather than rush it, I'd prefer to see the Old Dog take the rest of the year off, and come back fresh and 100% for another push next season.

[malcy25]

Seems a bit excessive. But rather than rush it, I'd prefer to see the Old Dog take the rest of the year off, and come back fresh and 100% for another push next season.

Would be a smart thing, but I reckon he'll be at Phillip Island.

[steveyb]

When they come back to racing, very few of these guys are healed. They just end up with sufficient stability and pain control to carry on.
4-6 weeks are needed for any bone fracture to heal so that it is at least joined. 12 months needed for full remodeling of the callous.
But some of the ultrasonic, hyperbaric chamber and drug treatments [hyaluronic acid etc] are proving to accelerate bone healing.

[ellipsis]

But some of the ultrasonic, hyperbaric chamber and drug treatments [hyaluronic acid etc] are proving to accelerate bone healing.

...so just drinking more piss between one week's racing and the next weeks, with broken ribs on three or four occasions was probably a wrong assumption on my part, over the years...:weird:

[Crasherfromwayback]

...so just drinking more piss between one week's racing and the next weeks, with broken ribs on three or four occasions was probably a wrong assumption on my part, over the years...:weird:

I dunno mate. I partied pretty hard over the NY after I munted my ankle at Wanganui on Boxing day. Seemed to work ok!

[pritch]

I want Rossis drugs.


I think those guys pay probably more in insurance premiums than most of us ever earn in a year. So they get nothing but the best.

Jamie Whitham in his book says he had been told to avoid Czech hospitals if he crashed at Brno, because they are third world standard. Following an accident in which he turned parts of his skeleton into jigsaw puzzles, he regained consciousness as they wheeled him into the Czech hospital and he said to his wife, "Get me out of here". She contacted the insurance company and they sent an executive jet with a medical team on board to fly him back to an English hospital.

That kind of service wouldn't come cheap.

[Grumph]

I think those guys pay probably more in insurance premiums than most of us ever earn in a year. So they get nothing but the best.

Jamie Whitham in his book says he had been told to avoid Czech hospitals if he crashed at Brno, because they are third world standard. Following an accident in which he turned parts of his skeleton into jigsaw puzzles, he regained consciousness as they wheeled him into the Czech hospital and he said to his wife, "Get me out of here". She contacted the insurance company and they sent an executive jet with a medical team on board to fly him back to an English hospital.

That kind of service wouldn't come cheap.

One year at Wanganui, mid 90's I think, we were told to avoid crashing at all costs that day as the doc on duty at the local A&E was rabidly anti motorcycles...I think from memory, a couple of guys volounteered their vans for runs to another hospital if it was necessary.

[Autech]

One year at Wanganui, mid 90's I think, we were told to avoid crashing at all costs that day as the doc on duty at the local A&E was rabidly anti motorcycles...I think from memory, a couple of guys volounteered their vans for runs to another hospital if it was necessary.One of the biking families advised me similar about crashing at Levels, as the various times they had been to Timaru hospital they had been left waiting deliberately as they hated motorcyclists. Fortunately never had to test out that theory

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[AllanB]

Go Rossi. Meh stutup. I'm a long term fan. Be nice to see him finish his most impressive career, A alive. B at the top.

[Crasherfromwayback]

, A alive. B at the top.

One out of two ain't bad in that game. Best he can hope for now sorry.

[Grumph]

One of the biking families advised me similar about crashing at Levels, as the various times they had been to Timaru hospital they had been left waiting deliberately as they hated motorcyclists. Fortunately never had to test out that theory

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Basically true. Head of A&E I believe. But Timaru hospital have been very slow in that area since I first had to pick up a mate and take him home in 1970...

[pritch]

After the news od Rossi's injury broke there was a swell of protest on social media questioning what he was doing riding dangerous MotoX bikes during the season. The pundits: Oxley, Emmett et al probably got sick of trying to explain, some of their later answers did not display the usual patience.

So news now that Cal Crutchlow cut his finger. Presumably the worriers will be claiming GP riders shouldn't be allowed to cook during the season. The cut though could be serious. Presumably he just bandaged it and went to bed because he says he didn't become concerned until the next morning when it was still bleeding. The first (of several?) doctors he saw told him the tendon was severed, and that has been stitched back together. It would have been better if that had been done straight away but...

He has been in touch with the Clinica Mobile, there was mention of a splint, and it is his left hand so presumably if he can get a glove on he may be able to ride?

[roogazza]

Misano MotoGP - Free Practice (2) Results

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1. ^4 Danilo Petrucci ITA Octo Pramac (GP17) 1m 33.231s [Lap 18/21] 290km/h (Max)
2. ^6 Maverick Viñales ESP Movistar Yamaha (YZR-M1) 1m 33.236s +0.005s [22/23] 289km/h
3. = Andrea Dovizioso ITA Ducati Team (GP17) 1m 33.294s +0.063s [17/20] 289km/h
4. ^3 Dani Pedrosa ESP Repsol Honda (RC213V) 1m 33.346s +0.115s [21/22] 290km/h
5. ˅4 Marc Marquez ESP Repsol Honda (RC213V) 1m 33.475s +0.244s [6/20] 287km/h
6. ˅2 Cal Crutchlow GBR LCR Honda (RC213V) 1m 33.545s +0.314s [16/17] 288km/h
7. ˅5 Michele Pirro ITA Ducati Team (GP17) 1m 33.591s +0.360s [16/19] 289km/h
8. ˅2 Jorge Lorenzo ESP Ducati Team (GP17) 1m 33.614s +0.383s [17/20] 288km/h
9. ^7 Andrea Iannone ITA Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR) 1m 33.740s +0.509s [21/

from my armchair I think I'll guess at my top five :
MM
MV
Petrucci
DP
Dovi

[roogazza]

332536

Maybe some rain coming,we'll see. :rolleyes:

[Dadpole]

Forecast for race time is rain 2mm per hour and 15 - 20 kph wind.

My pick:
1 Vinales
2 Marquez
3 Dovi

Lorenzo to be in the hunt at first then fading as his tyres lose their initial grip...

[Crasherfromwayback]

Forecast for race time is rain 2mm per hour and 15 - 20 kph wind.

My pick:
1 Vinales
2 Marquez
3 Dovi

Lorenzo to be in the hunt at first then fading as his tyres lose their initial grip...

DP

MM

MV

Dovi

Lorenzo

[Autech]

Depending on weather, if it doesn't rain and is cool:
DP
MM
AD
MV
JL.

If it rains, depends on how soft the rain tyre is, if soft enough Dani should be up there with the above riders, if not it'll be them vs maybe Jack Miller, Baz, Petrux etc

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[BMWST?]

if it is cooler and or rains i think MM If he cant run the pace he wants i think AD will be there.I wonder if the duc fairing will help even more in the wet?The honda doesnt seem as good as the others on the fast turn 11

[Autech]

if it is cooler and or rains i think MM If he cant run the pace he wants i think AD will be there.I wonder if the duc fairing will help even more in the wet?The honda doesnt seem as good as the others on the fast turn 11Dovi doesn't need it it seems, aero fairings are for lesser mortals.

Rain will mean AD and MM will take less risks in theory. DP will push harder as he needs to close the gap to the front 3, all comes down to how the tyres work for him if he gets a good feeling he'll give them a good run. Especially if it drys out during the race

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[pritch]

MM
MV
AD
DP
JZ

Or something.

[Drew]

Christ knows what's wring with Lorenzo these days.

If he had a second lead before, it was metronome lap tomes and see ya later.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Christ knows what's wring with Lorenzo these days.

If he had a second lead before, it was metronome lap tomes and see ya later.

Not that often that he used to do that in the wet though.

[roogazza]

Not that often that he used to do that in the wet though.

No, he was off like scolded dog wasn't he ? I always figured MM wouldn't have any trouble with Dovi if he stayed on,and thats what happened. Impressed with Petrucci , I had him placed well up front.
The Doocati is looking more and more like a bike without too many troubles now huh ? (and its fast !)

[Crasherfromwayback]

No, he was off like scolded dog wasn't he ? I always figured MM wouldn't have any trouble with Dovi if he stayed on,and thats what happened. Impressed with Petrucci , I had him placed well up front.
The Doocati is looking more and more like a bike without too many troubles now huh ? (and its fast !)

Wonder what the retard that writes Dear George will have to say when he finally wins one...

[pritch]

Wonder what the retard that writes Dear George will have to say when he finally wins one...

When it happens I'll be sure to let you know. :rolleyes:

Interesting races leading to interesting situation in the championships. The pundits were picking Pedro to do well - before the wet weather intervened. I felt sorry for him, it's bad enough having to ride in shit weather without it being a hopeless effort.

Was a bit surprised that Luthi had a fogged screen. You'd think that any plastic in front of the riders face would be treated. Would've been more serious on a Moto3 bike but even so.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Was a bit surprised that Luthi had a fogged screen. You'd think that any plastic in front of the riders face would be treated. Would've been more serious on a Moto3 bike but even so.

Yeah that's crazy shit.

[EJK]

Kudos to this guy.

I like how MotoGP rule still consider pushing bike to the finish line as completed race. +1 point lol

[mulletman]

Kudos to this guy.

I like how MotoGP rule still consider pushing bike to the finish line as completed race. +1 point lol

Prolly needed like an extra .2 of a litre of juice...damn :eek5:

I kept looking at the timing screen watching the other bikes catch and pass him counting down the points
left really happy for him to get that last point. :Punk:

[roogazza]

Wonder what the retard that writes Dear George will have to say when he finally wins one...

BORIS , Mr "Bikeme". lol. must have a look later.

[roogazza]

When it happens I'll be sure to let you know. :rolleyes:

Interesting races leading to interesting situation in the championships. The pundits were picking Pedro to do well - before the wet weather intervened. I felt sorry for him, it's bad enough having to ride in shit weather without it being a hopeless effort.

Was a bit surprised that Luthi had a fogged screen. You'd think that any plastic in front of the riders face would be treated. Would've been more serious on a Moto3 bike but even so.

Nick harris kept telling us it was wet and how Pedro won last year from back on the grid a bit. I had a look at one stage and he down in 19th !!!!

So many went down in the race ,Bwadley was starting to look average in about 12th .:laugh:

[pritch]

Meantime...
http://www.bikeme.tv/index.php/mama-mia-i-am-sorry-to-laugh-but-you-fly-like-the-superman-but-not-a-good-superman-you-fly-like-a-little-bit-merda-superman/

[Crasherfromwayback]

BORIS , Mr "Bikeme". lol. must have a look later.

That guy is a wannabe 1% fuckwit.

[ellipsis]

...not a fence sitter but that was hilariously, not very funny...:clap:

[Autech]

Nick harris kept telling us it was wet and how Pedro won last year from back on the grid a bit. I had a look at one stage and he down in 19th !!!!

So many went down in the race ,Bwadley was starting to look average in about 12th .[emoji23]Its a fucked situation, Dani is known to be a good wet rider but the Mitchie tyres just don't cater for a midget. Apparently they actually lose heat over the race. He's not the smoothest rider so should be able to load them up enough, but can't. Kudos to him though he stayed on board and grabbed 2 points rather than try and push then crash... Any other wet races and his title chase is over.

Fucking solid rider by MM in the last lap, that cunts a freak

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[roogazza]

MotoGP: Michael van der Mark to replace Valentino Rossi - Official

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MotoGP
11 Sep 2017
Michael van der Mark to make MotoGP debut in place of Valentino Rossi at Aragon.

Yamaha has officially confirmed that - as first rumoured last week, then increasing clear during the Misano weekend - Michael van der Mark will make a MotoGP debut in place of Valentino Rossi at Aragon.

Rossi suffered displaced fractures of his right tibia and fibula during an enduro training accident on August 31, ruling him out of his home Misano round.

[Autech]

https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/pedrosa-explains-root-cause-of-nightmare-misano-race-951708/

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[pritch]

The Japanese factories appeciate the efforts of riders who win the Suzuka 8 Hour. So VdM gets a weekend of fun and learning at Aragon between two WSBK rounds.

Was thinking about Pedro's tyre problem and that reminded me... Back in the days of Bridgestone Jeremy Burgess was saying that it takes eight laps to warm the tyres up in a wet race. OK there are tyre warmers on until the last minute, but the lap to the start on a wet track cools the tyres. In those days most riders who fell did so in the first eight laps. That didn't quite seem to apply last weekend, they were going down throughout. Anyone who got points in that race deserved them, several of them having crashed, some more than once.

Crutchlow said it's a while since he had a high side but he quite enjoyed it. Bugger that! He did apologise to the team for the damage.

Presumaby the riders who get on after crashing no longer have the protection of the air system in their leathers?

Zarco's gallop was caused by running out of fuel, the technical explanation being that the cause was excessive wheel spin.

[EJK]

Zarco's gallop was caused by running out of fuel, the technical explanation being that the cause was excessive wheel spin.

Just curious, what are the fuel consumption like on MotoGP bikes?

Marino circuit is 4.2kms long, 28 lap race, and MotoGP bikes have 21 litre capacity so rough estimate comes to 21 litres/ 117.6kms or about 17.9l/ 100kms.

That's actually not bad! Considering modern supercars do 20l+/ 100km urban driving.

[roogazza]

Hey, if you're planning for next year, here ya go ??? :corn:

Below is the provisional MotoGP calendar for 2018:

Date Grand Prix Venue
18 March Qatar* Losail International Circuit
08 April República Argentina Termas de Río Hondo
22 April Americas Circuit of The Americas
06 May Spain Circuito de Jerez
20 May France Le Mans
03 June Italy Autodromo del Mugello
17 June Catalunya Barcelona - Catalunya
01 July Netherlands TT Circuit Assen
15 July Germany Sachsenring
05 August Czech Republic Automotodrom Brno
12 August Austria Red Bull Ring - Spielberg
26 August Great Britain** TBA
09 September San Marino e della Riviera di Rimini Misano World Circuit Marco Simoncelli
23 September Aragón MotorLand Aragón
07 October Thailand Chang International Circuit Buriram
21 October Japan Twin Ring Motegi
28 October Australia Phillip Island
04 November Malaysia Sepang International Circuit
18 November Comunitat Valenciana Comunitat Valenciana - Ricardo Tormo
* Night race
** Circuit to be announced

[pritch]

Hey, if you're planning for next year, here ya go ??? :corn:


There is a degree of negative reaction to the extra race, mostly from the pundits, all and sundry will have to spend an extra couple of weeks in Asia. Good for us though, another race close to our time zone. Johnnie Rea championed the family advantages of the shorter season in Superbikes.

Some people compared the MotoGP season to the F1 season to justify the higher number of races. The replies were to the effect that the F1 drivers are not usually carrying injuries, but toward the end of the season many of the GP riders are.

[Autech]

There is a degree of negative reaction to the extra race, mostly from the pundits, all and sundry will have to spend an extra couple of weeks in Asia. Good for us though, another race close to our time zone. Johnnie Rea championed the family advantages of the shorter season in Superbikes.

Some people compared the MotoGP season to the F1 season to justify the higher number of races. The replies were to the effect that the F1 drivers are not usually carrying injuries, but toward the end of the season many of the GP riders are.Apart from wrist injuries from being a bunch of wankers
:tugger:. - hope that emoji is correct

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[roogazza]

There is a degree of negative reaction to the extra race, mostly from the pundits, all and sundry will have to spend an extra couple of weeks in Asia. Good for us though, another race close to our time zone. Johnnie Rea championed the family advantages of the shorter season in Superbikes.

Some people compared the MotoGP season to the F1 season to justify the higher number of races. The replies were to the effect that the F1 drivers are not usually carrying injuries, but toward the end of the season many of the GP riders are.

I'm hoping Valentino will be fit and well for June 3rd next year. Not that it would stop me going of course.

I was just given a "leave pass for 2018" last night !!!!!!!:msn-wink: :rolleyes:

[pritch]

Apart from wrist injuries from being a bunch of wankers


According to Mat Oxley 85 riders raced at Misano and there were 80 crashes. While modern gear does protect them better than previously it's unlikely they all escaped without injury. Rather them than me.

[pritch]

Jorge Martin, Moto3 rider was bowled off his push bike by a car while training. Was admitted to hospital for checks but has been released and hopes to be at Aragon.

[Autech]

According to Mat Oxley 85 riders raced at Misano and there were 80 crashes. While modern gear does protect them better than previously it's unlikely they all escaped without injury. Rather them than me.New record of 140 crashes over the weekend. Sam Lowes only responsible for 100 of them :D

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[pritch]

Rossi has done a few laps of Misano to check his ability to ride with a gammy leg. The big discussion point on social media was whether the bike was an R1 or an R6 and the identification wasn't made any easier by many of the reports just using a library photo they had available.

Anyhoo, I guess we'll find out what he decided sometime Friday although Van der Mark will be more interested than most.

[roogazza]

Rossi has done a few laps of Misano to check his ability to ride with a gammy leg. The big discussion point on social media was whether the bike was an R1 or an R6 and the identification wasn't made any easier by many of the reports just using a library photo they had available.

Anyhoo, I guess we'll find out what he decided sometime Friday although Van der Mark will be more interested than most.
Nice to see VDM get a podium in WSB on the Yamaha,(his team mate went upside down again :shutup:)
Don't know why Rossi is in a hurry to come back,but he's the racer and I'm on the couch, huh ?

here ya go,Valentino Rossi news: Misano test at 18 days of operation
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The Yamaha pilot has spared everyone back on track with 24 hours in advance of the expected and less than 20 days from the tibia and hoop operation of 31 August. For Rossi 4 laps of track interrupted only by an annoying rain. The Aragon goal is no longer so unreachable, although the official decision will be taken only on Wednesday

Graziano Rossi: "Valentino was bad in the leg but will try again"

[pritch]

Nice to see VDM get a podium in WSB on the Yamaha,(his team mate went upside down again :shutup:)


The Honda is not competitive so it may be that the riders have to push harder than is wise. It has been announced that the top technical guy is leaving the Honda Europe team. They'll need a rare genius to get that bike competitive with no help from Japan though.

[BMWST?]

The Honda is not competitive so it may be that the riders have to push harder than is wise. It has been announced that the top technical guy is leaving the Honda Europe team. They'll need a rare genius to get that bike competitive with no help from Japan though.
honda???? Honda may get more involved now that Takahashi? is on the bike

[Ghost Lemur]

Nice to see VDM get a podium in WSB on the Yamaha,(his team mate went upside down again :shutup:)
Don't know why Rossi is in a hurry to come back,but he's the racer and I'm on the couch, huh ?

here ya go,Valentino Rossi news: Misano test at 18 days of operation
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00:12/02:16
The Yamaha pilot has spared everyone back on track with 24 hours in advance of the expected and less than 20 days from the tibia and hoop operation of 31 August. For Rossi 4 laps of track interrupted only by an annoying rain. The Aragon goal is no longer so unreachable, although the official decision will be taken only on Wednesday

Graziano Rossi: "Valentino was bad in the leg but will try again"Love the transliteration of papa Rossi's comment.

As to Rossi being in a hurry, there's a reason he's not retired and it ain't the money. I did think years ago that by note he'd have retired to 4 wheels, but so happy he hasn't.

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[pritch]

honda???? Honda may get more involved now that Takahashi? is on the bike

Apparently Honda have never involved themselves in Superbikes. It has been a succession of different companies, currently still Ten Kate I think.

Meanwhile back in MotoGP...

[Drew]

Apparently Honda have never involved themselves in Superbikes. It has been a succession of different companies, currently still Ten Kate I think.

Meanwhile back in MotoGP...
That explains the HRC superbike kit one used to be able to buy for their RC45

[malcy25]

That explains the HRC superbike kit one used to be able to buy for their RC45 Didn't Aaron Slight ride for that privateer effort called HRC :killingme

[Crasherfromwayback]

Didn't Aaron Slight ride for that privateer effort called HRC :killingme

And Colin Edwards, Fogarty, Johnny K etc etc...

[Badjelly]

Apparently Honda have never involved themselves in Superbikes. It has been a succession of different companies, currently still Ten Kate I think.


That explains the HRC superbike kit one used to be able to buy for their RC45


Didn't Aaron Slight ride for that privateer effort called HRC :killingme


And Colin Edwards, Fogarty, Johnny K etc etc...

Well, hardly ever. To the best of my & Wikipedia's recollection, Colin Edwards won in 2002 with HRC with the Honda VTR1000 SP-2/RC51 and then the Japanese factories (except maybe Suzuki) abandoned the field to Ducati for a year or two. Then Honda came back in with Ten Kate a few years later. 2004??

[husaberg]

Well, hardly ever. To the best of my & Wikipedia's recollection, Colin Edwards won in 2002 with HRC with the Honda VTR1000 SP-2/RC51 and then the Japanese factories (except maybe Suzuki) abandoned the field to Ducati for a year or two. Then Honda came back in with Ten Kate a few years later. 2004??

The original championships up until kockinski were won not by an official HRC squad either. they were run by Rumi with limited HRC backing
He was a little miffed when he missed running an official out upon introduction of the RC45.
that said the Muzzy squad was an american based team with only limited factory backing
the Yamaha team were itailian based importer teams (Balgrada)
it was all a little less precious then. Shit even the GP teams were more factory supported national importer teams in some cases up to the nineties and later.

[roogazza]

Rossi: "I will try to ride this weekend"
Movistar Yamaha rider will attempt to take part in the Aragon GP
Tags MotoGP, 2017, GRAN PREMIO MOVISTAR DE ARAGÓN, Valentino Rossi, Movistar Yamaha MotoGP
After testing his fitness on a Yamaha R1 for a number of laps at Misano on Monday and Tuesday, Valentino Rossi (Movistar Yamaha MotoGP) has decided to attempt to take part in the upcoming Gran Premio Movistar de Aragon.

The Italian will need to be passed fit to ride in order to take to the track, and would then head out in FP1 to further assess the possibility of racing on Sunday. Dutch WorldSBK rider Michael van der Mark will replace the nine-time World Champion if he is unable to compete in the event.

Valentino Rossi: "Fortunately, yesterday I had a good test with my YZF-R1M in Misano. I tried also the day before, but the rain stopped me after a few laps. Yesterday I managed to complete 20 laps and find the answers I was looking for. Eventually, the test was positive and I want to say thanks to Dr. Lucidi and his staff, who helped me find the best solutions to feel the least amount of pain possible in my leg when I‘m riding. Obviously at the end of the test I was in a little bit of pain, but this morning I went to Dr. Pascarella for a medical check, and it came out with a positive result. At the end I decided I will leave for Aragón and will try to ride my M1 this weekend. If I will be declared fit to ride, I'll have the real answer after FP1, because riding the M1 will be a much bigger challenge. We'll see. See you in Aragon!"

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[Crasherfromwayback]

Rossi: "I will try to ride this weekend"


Whilst I admire his balls and bravery, I think he's mad. No point in the risk to my mind.

[sugilite]

Absolutely agree, he is not going to win the championship, so why risk his future life long mobility.

Whilst I admire his balls and bravery, I think he's mad. No point in the risk to my mind.

[roogazza]

Whilst I admire his balls and bravery, I think he's mad. No point in the risk to my mind.

For sure I'd be a sook ! But he's a driven man who loves to race.

Maybe he's hoping the leaders will knock each other off and he'll score 25 points ?? :laugh:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Absolutely agree, he is not going to win the championship, so why risk his future life long mobility.


For sure I'd be a sook ! But he's a driven man who loves to race.

Maybe he's hoping the leaders will knock each other off and he'll score 25 points ?? :laugh:

Better to take the time off, get back to 100%, and come back next season for another big push for the title. But hey, he'll certainly add to the spectacle. I'd just hate to see him fuck his leg good and proper by crashing again so soon, like Lorenzo did to his collar bone in Germany a few years back. That was nasty to watch.

Marq

Mav

Pedro

Dovi

Lorenzo

[pritch]

That explains the HRC superbike kit one used to be able to buy for their RC45

Almost as if there were no homologation rules?

The article I read listed the various companies that had run the teams but I'm stuffed if I remember where I saw it. If I see it again I'll post it in the WSBK thread.
I may have it wrong, but the Jap factories have to sell a large number of bikes to meet the homologation rules. European factories get a dispensation and have to sell lower numbers IIRC. You just don't see *that* many HRC bikes around, although I did see one this week. It was a trials bike though, not much use in a Superbike race.

I hope the doctors don't get carried away with Rossi's fitness test and make him jump off a table. That happened to someone, Lorenzo? Hopping on his broken leg maybe? If he tries riding in FP1 and doesn't like it that gives VdM even less time to learn the ropes.

Odds are the weather should be nice. There's a potential for a lot of people to be somewhat distracted by the current independence events in Catalonia though. A number of the riders and some other paddock people are Catalans.

[speights_bud]

I hope the doctors don't get carried away with Rossi's fitness test and make him jump off a table. That happened to someone, Lorenzo? .

Guy Martin. I think I read that in his book....

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[roogazza]

Better to take the time off, get back to 100%, and come back next season for another big push for the title. But hey, he'll certainly add to the spectacle. I'd just hate to see him fuck his leg good and proper by crashing again so soon, like Lorenzo did to his collar bone in Germany a few years back. That was nasty to watch.

Marq

Mav

Pedro

Dovi

Lorenzo

Agree bud, pretty good choice for the results as well ...... ?

[pritch]

Rossi is in Aragon and has been declared fit to ride. If disappointed VdM is hiding it well and says he would have done the same as Rossi.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Agree bud, pretty good choice for the results as well ...... ?

Soon see I guess!

[BMWST?]

Mm mv jl dp ad

[AllanB]

Rossi will win, then fall off as he slows down on the victory lap due to utter physical exhaustion and cement his immortal awesomeness forever in motorcycledom.

[BMWST?]

Rossi will win, then fall off as he slows down on the victory lap due to utter physical exhaustion and cement his immortal awesomeness forever in motorcycledom.
hmm VR himself is looking only to see how it actually looks for Motegi and the n the rest but is actualyy setting himself up for total recovery and 18

[AllanB]

hmm VR himself is looking only to see how it actually looks for Motegi and the n the rest but is actualyy setting himself up for total recovery and 18

Some days I ride like both my legs are broken.... :facepalm:

[pritch]

Twitter has been full of posts regarding a farewell. Pictures of a big party complete with very large cake. Kind comments from famous former riders as well as the best known and most respected commentators and journalists.

After 38 years Nick Harris is retiring at the end of this season. So many kind comments from so many people. Now I feel guilty for remarks I've made here. Still, I sincerely wish him a happy retirement.

[speights_bud]

Twitter has been full of posts regarding a farewell. Pictures of a big party complete with very large cake. Kind comments from famous former riders as well as the best known and most respected commentators and journalists.

After 38 years Nick Harris is retiring at the end of this season. So many kind comments from so many people. Now I feel guilty for remarks I've made here. Still, I sincerely wish him a happy retirement.Yep, happy retirement to him for sure. Let's just pray and hope the lads left behind forget so so many of his sayings.

I don't see anything wrong with what has been said here. If a tradie continually buggered up parts of a job he was being paid for you'd be just as frustrated.

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[AllanB]

When your tradie continually buggers up parts of a job he was being paid for you'd be just as frustrated.


Fixed it for you, it's not if but when...

[speights_bud]

Fixed it for you, it's not if but when...I forget sometimes that the Motogp subscription is the only thing I pay to watch, which makes me the customer...

(and even then it's only a one in 4 year rotation)

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[mulletman]

Wet/damp/drying conditions during FP1 & 2 so not sure what VR got out of that for his leg fitness..he needs a dry track to fully test that break.

Weather is supposed to be fine for FP3 ,4 etc and raceday.

[Drew]

Fixed it for you, it's not if but when...

Get fucked. I'm a tradie, I'd like to think I don't continually fuck things up.

[pritch]

There was a photo on Twitter but I can't find it with an image search. There are big bumps above and below Rossi's knee. The bumps are either end of the bolt in his leg. They are trying to make him a pad and I suspect that's because the lower bump is pressing on his nee slider.

Rossi said riding the M1 in the wet is like riding the R1 in the dry. His riding position in the dry will be more uncomfortable because it is that bit more extreme.
His bike has lowered foot rests compared to his usual position but whether that was just for the wet nobody was saying.

And here is the famous knee:

[speights_bud]

Get fucked. I'm a tradie, I'd like to think I don't continually fuck things up.This is not directed at you in any way.

But I have met plenty of "tradesmen" who are fucking useless. Trouble is you don't know until it's too late especially when they are good at running their mouth.

Especially those who are ex union types in my experience. Always harping on about back when I was in the (insert govt owned entity here) I did this and that... Yea well show me your work now ya old cunt and we'll see...

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[steveyb]

Get fucked. I'm a tradie, I'd like to think I don't continually fuck things up.

Meh, you can think all you like, the reality is........ ;-)

[Drew]

Meh, you can think all you like, the reality is........ ;-)

Hahahahaha. Cunt.

[ellipsis]

..." there is going be a new craze and everyone will try to break their leg now so they could come back faster,"...


...Cal Crutchlow on Vale's front row qual...

[Crasherfromwayback]

Could be interesting next season...

Jorge Lorenzo, P2: “We were very far away this morning, a bit because yesterday we couldn’t practice in the dry. I still need some practice with this bike in the dry, that’s why I struggled so much this morning. But little by little with some modifications we got better and better. It was almost positive to be in Q1 and have the extra minutes, I’m happy with another front row this season and this one is the most surprising one. I’m starting to like this bike a lot, but you have to ride it so differently to my old one. Our pace in FP4 was good and we have a good position, so with a good start we can have a good race. I’m trying to not remember Misano because it makes me angry but these things can happen. Normally I don’t make many mistakes but we learnt from that and we’re competitive in the dry - which is the most common circumstance.”

[Autech]

Fuck this new tapatalk app is a cunt.

JL
DP
MM
MV

Going to be really hot so I think Dani will do well


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[pritch]

View of the office:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Going to be really hot so I think Dani will do well


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So far, it's only 18 deg c...

[Autech]

Better than last round lol. Thats plenty hot enough for him

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[pritch]

The weather started brilliantly fine, forecast to be hot. Then the fog rolled in. When the fog rolls out though...

[Drew]

Great race. Special mention to Mila kallio.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Great race. Special mention to Mila kallio.

Yep. Very impressive. Think she's all over bar the shouting for the title now.

[Autech]

Great race. Special mention to Mila kallio.Yup and ESA, those ktms and prilias are looking better and better

Best motogp race of the year I would say so many heart n mouth moments. Shame my homie didn't break free of MV a lap or 2 earlier as a duel tween the two Repsols would have been epic

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[Autech]

Fuck this new tapatalk app is a cunt.

JL
DP
MM
MV

Going to be really hot so I think Dani will do well


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I got the top 4 right just needed to swap first n third...

[pritch]

KTM had a new frame and swing arm but not enough of them. Kalio got one because he had already done a lot of laps on it in testing, ESP got the other. Presumably they'll have enough for everybody before they head away?

And we have three races at civilised times to look forward to. Always nice.

[Autech]

Smith apparently didn't have the new toys, but still...

Personally after seeing Kalio all over the rear wheel of the other bikes I would be telling Smith that he's now full time development.
Pol is shaping up but as a former champ that is no surprise

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[Crasherfromwayback]

I would be telling Smith that he's now full time development.


I'd be telling old Fantapants he needs a new fucking job.

[Brett]

Rossi :Punk::not:

Outstanding performance. The MAN.


Got to say...love watching MM race. The risks he is willing to take to win races makes watching him a lot of fun. Talented kid.

[Autech]

Shhhh Elipsis is proud of his sons achievements (all gingers are related right?).

Seems to me that a lot of the British riders are retained as they're British and Dorna want brits.

Redding is too big unfortunately, if he had stayed a midget he'd have kicked ass though I think.

Smith was average in Moto2, he remains so in motogp.

Lowes was average in Moto2 also, despite getting on a Kalex he still didn't do as well as the rest on it. I will be surprised if he can beat Olivera or Binder next year on the ktm.

Surely there is a world champion British rider somewhere in the paddock but I can't see it in the current batch

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[Crasherfromwayback]

Rossi :Punk::not:

Outstanding performance. The MAN.


Got to say...love watching MM race. The risks he is willing to take to win races makes watching him a lot of fun. Talented kid.

Without doubt an iron man effort. But the MAN is currently MM. :innocent:

[pritch]

Surely there is a world champion British rider somewhere in the paddock but I can't see it in the current batch


Danny Kent could do it - with a size nine up his arse. Provided he got serious, but previously he was more interested in texting his girlfriend than in racing. With that word all around the paddock offers will be slow coming. He may have blown his chances.

There is a kid they are trying to get in to the Moto3 paddock. He is reputedly a special talent and should be getting a test about now. Can't remember his name but it's a double barreled hyphenated name.

And the mystery man is Tom Booth-Amos.

[steveyb]

Commentators were saying that Kent has signed full time for a Moto2 team. I forget which one. Speed-Up??

Yes, Speed-Up.

[pritch]

I'm pleased for him. Last I'd heard he was back in Moto3 and the pundits were pessimistic. Hope he makes the most of the Speed Up ride.

[roogazza]

If you apply the old "FIGJAM" (fuck I'm good just ask me !)
I guess the best pom out there is Crashalot ? :laugh: :yawn:

[Autech]

If you apply the old "FIGJAM" (fuck I'm good just ask me !)
I guess the best pom out there is Crashalot ? [emoji23] :yawn:Yup pretty much... Though skill wise I would say Redding, he's just grown too big to complete on an even level


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[BMWST?]

Well MM has shown twice in a row that he wants this BAD.He has risked everything for the win.No one seems to want to do the same.I was on the edge of my seat all race.!Cant quite remember what i picked but i am glad that Jlo seems to be getting it together!

[ecko_nzed]

Because I'm not the most observant amongst us lot, how long have Repsol Honda been using SC Project exhausts?

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[Reckless]

Rossi
I'm probably a Rossi fan as I've been watching him as long as I can remember but I must say the others only win when MM having a not so good day. I doubt Rossi will get 10 but I dont think he should retire, race till your last if your enjoying it I reckon. No one called Nicky Haden a fool for racing down the pack a bit
Lorenzo
I dunno what it is but that guy just gives me the shits even the way he celebrates a win seems slimy. He could well be a good guy but he comes across like a really bad sportsman.
MM
As said previously two races in a row he rides the arse off a bike that the feeling isn't there.
Pushing the bike sensing the limit and saving it rather than falling is just insane.
I didnt think much of the Kamakzi move against Dovi in the last corner, race before last, that one day is going to bring another rider down.
But the guy is on a level all to himself just stunning what that kid can do on a bike.

Great season we thought it seemed Yamaha was going to steal it all early on, Zarco gave every factory rider a scare, then Ducati won a few, Rossi broke his leg, now MM stealing wins.
You'd be silly not to bet on MM :) but then, one fall, can alter everything the way he rides always over the limit.

I don't post much so rant over but shit dont we love our Moto GP, its been delivering every race this season :)

[Autech]

Because I'm not the most observant amongst us lot, how long have Repsol Honda been using SC Project exhausts?

Sent from my SM-G935F using TapatalkThey had an exhaust update last year or earlier this year from memory to make the power delivery a bit smoother

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[Autech]

Rossi
I'm probably a Rossi fan as I've been watching him as long as I can remember but I must say the others only win when MM having a not so good day. I doubt Rossi will get 10 but I dont think he should retire race till your last if your enjoying it I reckon. No called Nicky Haden a fool for racing down the pack a bit
Lorenzo
I dunno what it is but that guy just gives me the shits even the way he celebrates a win seems slimy. He could well be a good guy but he comes across like a really bad sportsman.
MM
As said previously two races in a row he rides the arse off a bike that the feeling isn't there.
Pushing the bike sensing the limit and saving it rather than falling is just insane.
I didnt think much of the Kamakzi move against Dovi in the last corner, race before last, one day is going to bring another rider down.
But the guy is on a level all to himself just stunning what that kid can do on a bike.

Great season we thought seemed Yamaha was going to steel it all early on, Zarco gave every factory rider a scare, then Ducati won a few, Rossi broke his leg, now MM stealing wins.
You'd be silly not to bet on MM :) but then one fall can alter everything the way he rides always over the limit.

I don't post much so rant over but shit dont we love our Moto GP, its been delivering every race this season :)Welcome back.

Yes and no to the everyone else having a bad day, he bends the bike to his will but only can do so if the front tyre is hard enough to take the abuse. I sincerely believe that if they had stuck with the softer carcus earlier this year MM would be having another 2015 year. What he does on a bike is incredible though, his reflexes and natural instincts are bang on.

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[Dadpole]

I am just thankful Marquez is racing in the era of super slow motion cameras so we can see miracles performed almost every race..

[ellipsis]

...how long can you walk on water?...

[roogazza]

...how long can you walk on water?...

We all know the odds huh ? He's very special on a motorbike,but I can't help but think it can happen any time.(being hurt that is ?)
I had a mate,well two actually, who seemed to defy the odds. I always admired their ability.Funny enough they were very aware of being hurt themselves and after a while I think that stopped them rising to the top.

[Cosmik de Bris]

We all know the odds huh ? He's very special on a motorbike,but I can't help but think it can happen any time.(being hurt that is ?)
I had a mate,well two actually, who seemed to defy the odds. I always admired their ability.Funny enough they were very aware of being hurt themselves and after a while I think that stopped them rising to the top.

I rode motocross with a young fella in the late 60s, he was fast but had never had a bad accident. It got to him in the end when he realised it was only a matter of time, he quit, a real loss to the sport.

Cheers

[pritch]

Because I'm not the most observant amongst us lot, how long have Repsol Honda been using SC Project exhausts?



You're not doing too bad. I noticed when they went to Termignoni but hadn't noticed they had changed the stickers* again.


* Therein acknowledging Drew's theory that the stickers may not reflect the reality.

[Drew]

* Therein acknowledging Drew's theory that the stickers may not reflect the reality.

I'm as surprised as anyone.

[george formby]

Across the board this weekend I was wowed by racers racing and winning. Mir, Morbidelli, Marquez. All balls to the wall for the win. Damned entertaining.

And yeah, Rossi lives for race day.

[ecko_nzed]

Multi talented Mick
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2016/january/mcn-plus---micks-millions-what-doohan-did-next/

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[Warr]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Reckless again. !!

Nice writeup :)


Rossi
I'm probably a Rossi fan as I've been w................................
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I don't post much so rant over but shit dont we love our Moto GP, its been delivering every race this season :)

[pritch]

It is encouraging that, just for once, the initial news item following an event appears to have been correct. Shortly after Nicky Hayden's fatal accident I read that he had ridden his bike through a stop sign while wearing earphones. I didn't post that here publicly because there was no guarantee that the report was accurate.

The official investigation has now been completed and that is basically what happened.

An account of the official report is here: https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/italian-officials-release-report-on-fatal-nicky-hayden-crash

[Crasherfromwayback]

Shortly after Nicky Hayden's fatal accident I read that he had ridden his bike through a stop sign while wearing earphones. rl]

In all of the *What do you listen to whilst riding your bike* type threads, I've always said don't do it. Far too many other things to be thinking of.

[pritch]

In all of the *What do you listen to whilst riding your bike* type threads, I've always said don't do it. Far too many other things to be thinking of.

Probably even more important while jogging or on a pushbike. On a motorised velocipede you are mainly listening to the wind or the engine. On foot or pushbike you are, or should be, actively listening for traffic. I do sometimes wear phones while walking but take them out to cross a road. A few months ago a guy in town here walked in front of a train while listening to his phones. He won't do that again, he's dead.

[roogazza]

In all of the *What do you listen to whilst riding your bike* type threads, I've always said don't do it. Far too many other things to be thinking of.

Agree mate, you'd think whatever he was listening to wouldn't block out everything else, but hey ?

The intersections in that part of the country are mostly like that,totally blind and any speed at all is just asking for Murphy's law to prevail. Locals are forever blasting their horns.

[pritch]

I see this morning that Tom Amos-Booth was three seconds faster than any body else in the field in FP1 in his BSB race class. The pundits seemed impressed, they're hoping he gets a Moto3 ride next year.

Also it looks like there may be some new makers entering Moto2 next year. MV and a new Japanese maker.

[actungbaby]

Didn't Aaron Slight ride for that privateer effort called HRC :killingme

He rode for honda britain squad based there . before that fred merkel raced for a team based in italy .

[actungbaby]

It is encouraging that, just for once, the initial news item following an event appears to have been correct. Shortly after Nicky Hayden's fatal accident I read that he had ridden his bike through a stop sign while wearing earphones. I didn't post that here publicly because there was no guarantee that the report was accurate.

The official investigation has now been completed and that is basically what happened.

An account of the official report is here: https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/italian-officials-release-report-on-fatal-nicky-hayden-crash

yes i jumped to the dickhead in the car ;-) i was wrong well just as well really not really the time just after dude brought it sad all the same.

Goes to show though any time we can be seconds from disaster .once you there its F@## to late.

I dont listen to music on the motorbike pushbike or walking . in the car but i turn it down in risky conditions.

[malcy25]

In all of the *What do you listen to whilst riding your bike* type threads, I've always said don't do it. Far too many other things to be thinking of.

You know me, cranking a good few thousand km's on road push bikes each year. Yep. Never have and never will listen to anything. even by myself on a solo training ride (usually good thinking time to nut out problems!) . I've developed quite good and understanding what is happening just by the sound position, pitch etc. Why remove one of the 5 senses you rely on..... The only time I do listen to music on the push bike is in the garage on the wind trainer ;).

NH like many GP and WSBK riders would have been a pretty handy cyclist, which means lots of miles and thus road experience. He's in a country which is where he was living, but was not "home" . Surprised he had something in his ears.

Rea, Spies, Hayden, Bayliss, Jezza McWilliams, Lorenzo, Miller are just a few I know are very keen roadies with good kit. Missed an opportunity to do some miles in Jan with McWilliams and the ed of MCNews.com.au at Phillip island as I was space limited and couldn't get my bike there. That would have been a blast!

[malcy25]

He rode for honda britain squad based there . before that fred merkel raced for a team based in italy .

Castrol Honda from 94 may have been a British team, but they were a full factory HRC effort with respect to support , factory technicians and ongoing development (ie The team was the delivery mechanism for the factory effort). The big thing I saw reference to recently is that the Red Bull WSBK team this year, that if you look closely at the bikes.....NO HRC stickers....

[Drew]

You know me, cranking a good few thousand km's on road push bikes each year. Yep. Never have and never will listen to anything. even by myself on a solo training ride (usually good thinking time to nut out problems!) . I've developed quite good and understanding what is happening just by the sound position, pitch etc. Why remove one of the 5 senses you rely on..... The only time I do listen to music on the push bike is in the garage on the wind trainer ;).

NH like many GP and WSBK riders would have been a pretty handy cyclist, which means lots of miles and thus road experience. He's in a country which is where he was living, but was not "home" . Surprised he had something in his ears.

Rea, Spies, Hayden, Bayliss, Jezza McWilliams, Lorenzo, Miller are just a few I know are very keen roadies with good kit. Missed an opportunity to do some miles in Jan with McWilliams and the ed of MCNews.com.au at Phillip island as I was space limited and couldn't get my bike there. That would have been a blast!
You're a douche.

[malcy25]

You're a douche.

Suck it up, princess.

[sugilite]

Totally agree, tried it once and immediately noticed a drop in concentration levels.
I also tried hyping myself up by listening to thrash metal before a race.
Unfortunately within a lap or two I was penning a new song titled - "I got over hyped listening to thrash - now I'm picking up my bike after a crash" :doh:


In all of the *What do you listen to whilst riding your bike* type threads, I've always said don't do it. Far too many other things to be thinking of.

[Autech]

Totally agree, tried it once and immediately noticed a drop in concentration levels.
I also tried hyping myself up by listening to thrash metal before a race.
Unfortunately within a lap or two I was penning a new song titled - "I got over hyped listening to thrash - now I'm picking up my bike after a crash" :doh:

Haha, yeah I've debated putting a bit of Pendulum on before a race to see if I can get my lap time up to pace faster but decided that as a club racer I really shouldn't take shit so seriously lol.

[Asher]

I'm the opposite with listening to music while I ride.
On long straight roads without music I get bored and pay less attention to the road.
If I wasn't wearing ear buds I would be wearing ear plugs anyway and as the pace quickens i just ignore the music, much like I ignore azkles and cassinas posts on here.

[mulletman]

Another one out with a busted leg

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/883509/1/miller-out-of-motegi-with-broken-leg

[roogazza]

https://motomatters.com/news/2017/10/03/ducati_superbike_boss_ernesto_marinelli.html

[Autech]

https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/marquez-too-strong-for-rivals-reckons-doohan-960566/

Another article wanking on about how MM is gods gift to motorcycles, which he is, but the only thing he has over the other aliens is a lairy style and maaaad reflexes, which he needs because his lairy style.
True about Dovi though, he's got to beat one of the best rider/bike combos ever if he wants to be 2017 champion. Bring on Motegi, hoping Dani will smash them and not his collarbone this year

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[husaberg]

Bring on Motegi, hoping Dani will smash them and not his collarbone this year

Pedro has already won his one race per year:msn-wink:

[Autech]

Pedro has already won his one race per year:msn-wink:Wouldn't rule him out for Motegi or Malaysia on past form. Only guarantee is he won't win at Philip Island unless they bring super soft tyres

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[BMWST?]

https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/marquez-too-strong-for-rivals-reckons-doohan-960566/

Another article wanking on about how MM is gods gift to motorcycles, which he is, but the only thing he has over the other aliens is a lairy style and maaaad reflexes, which he needs because his lairy style.
True about Dovi though, he's got to beat one of the best rider/bike combos ever if he wants to be 2017 champion. Bring on Motegi, hoping Dani will smash them and not his collarbone this year

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when you riding with guys who have the type of skills none of us dream of ,AND you are a step up on them.....you are gods gift to motorcycles

[roogazza]

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/883596/1/motogp-oil-burn-flexible-aerodynamics-fuel-tanks

Something to read while we wait.......

[pritch]

And while we wait... Casey Stoner has a new baby daughter.

[pritch]

Thought this was interesting, I hadn't even noticed that the brake sizes varied track to track:http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2017/10/11/carbon-brake-discs-for-each-occasion/241601

That clip is currently free although you may need to register/sign in.

Yamaha test rider Nozane will replace Jonas Folger who has headed home ill. If Nozane gets near enough the front of the field to make it on screen he could be interesting to watch. He is reportedly something of an action man with a "wild style".

[Autech]

Full Wet:

JL
AD
MM
VR
AE
MV

Full Dry:

DP
MM
JL
AD
MV
VR

Half wet half dry:
DP by a country mile

Flag to flag:
MM by a country mile.


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[Dadpole]

Latest is for light rain during the race. Whatever happened to a dry weekend?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Latest is for light rain during the race. Whatever happened to a dry weekend?

Was pissing down in FP1. Crutchless skittled Lorenzo big time.

[Autech]

Was pissing down in FP1. Crutchless skittled Lorenzo big time.

STRIKE! :facepalm:

[speights_bud]

Was pissing down in FP1. Crutchless skittled Lorenzo big time.I'm not defending Crashlow, but that's not the first time we've heard someone say the Spartan has dropped his nuts mid corner in the wet with the result of someone being skittled.

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[BMWST?]

I'm not defending Crashlow, but that's not the first time we've heard someone say the Spartan has dropped his nuts mid corner in the wet with the result of someone being skittled.

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cc lost it well before he actually skittled JL

[pritch]

Can't remember whether it was Oxley or Emmett but one said that Crutchlow was pissed off 'cause Lorenzo suddenly slowed. It did look as they exchanged words in the gravel that Crutchlow won the prize for being most pissed off.

Race Direcction have given the Moto3 riders a rocket up the arse about loitering on the circuit.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I'm not defending Crashlow, but that's not the first time we've heard someone say the Spartan has dropped his nuts mid corner in the wet with the result of someone being skittled.




cc lost it well before he actually skittled JL


Can't remember whether it was Oxley or Emmett but one said that Crutchlow was pissed off 'cause Lorenzo suddenly slowed. It did look as they exchanged words in the gravel that Crutchlow won the prize for being most pissed off.

.

No fucking way Cruthlow was EVER gonna make that corner, and to say anything other than it was HIS total fuckup would be 100% bullshit.

[speights_bud]

No fucking way Cruthlow was EVER gonna make that corner, and to say anything other than it was HIS total fuckup would be 100% bullshit.I was hoping someone might remember back to when CC also blamed the Spartan for being skittled by Miller....

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[speights_bud]

cc lost it well before he actually skittled JLWhat has that got to do with anything?...[emoji57]

CC is one of those guys who "some cunt" is always to blame...

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[speights_bud]

Can't remember whether it was Oxley or Emmett but one said that Crutchlow was pissed off 'cause Lorenzo suddenly slowed. It did look as they exchanged words in the gravel that Crutchlow won the prize for being most pissed off.

Race Direcction have given the Moto3 riders a rocket up the arse about loitering on the circuit.In the post practice interview CC says it himself. Also words to the effect "we disagree on the incident but I'm sorry"

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[pritch]

Gotta say sitting here with a glass of something cold watching motorbike racing in daylight is much more civilised than the usual middle of the night viewing we get.

Cheers :drinkup:

[speights_bud]

Gotta say sitting here with a glass of something cold watching motorbike racing in daylight is much more civilised than the usual middle of the night viewing we get.

Cheers :drinkup:Yep, did some hard enduro training this morning, pub after, motogp now, pub again once the kids are in bed tonight.

Even got a tan on my neck riding this morning!

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[BMWST?]

i dont enjoy moto 3 qualifying dont watch it

[Crasherfromwayback]

Dear Vale...3 and a half seconds a lap slower in the wet than Dear George...


Pos. Rider Team Bike Time
1 Johann Zarco Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha YZR-M1 1:53.469
2 Danilo Petrucci Octo Pramac Racing Ducati GP17 1:53.787
3 Marc Marquez Repsol Honda Team Honda RC213V 1:53.903
4 Aleix Espargaro Aprilia Racing Team Gresini Aprilia RS-GP 1:53.947
5 Jorge Lorenzo Ducati Team Ducati GP17 1:54.235
6 Dani Pedrosa Repsol Honda Team Honda RC213V 1:54.342
7 Bradley Smith Red Bull KTM Factory Racing KTM RC16 1:54.872
8 Pol Espargaro Red Bull KTM Factory Racing KTM RC16 1:54.906
9 Andrea Dovizioso Ducati Team Ducati GP17 1:55.064
10 Alex Rins Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki GSX-RR 1:55.483
11 Andrea Iannone Team SUZUKI ECSTAR Suzuki GSX-RR 1:55.617
12 Valentino Rossi Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha YZR-M1 1:57.786
13 Loris Baz Reale Esponsorama Racing Ducati GP16 1:55.862
14 Maverick Vinales Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha YZR-M1 1:55.916
15 Cal Crutchlow LCR Honda Honda RC213V 1:55.952
16 Alvaro Bautista Pull&Bear Aspar Team Ducati GP16 1:56.292
17 Hector Barbera Reale Esponsorama Racing Ducati GP16 1:56.668
18 Sam Lowes Aprilia Racing Team Gresini Aprilia RS-GP 1:56.771
19 Tito Rabat Team EG 0,0 Marc VDS Honda RC213V 1:56.903
20 Karel Abraham Pull&Bear Aspar Team Ducati GP16 1:57.144
21 Hiroshi Aoyama Team EG 0,0 Marc VDS Honda RC213V 1:57.157
22 Scott Redding Octo Pramac Racing Ducati GP16 1:57.787
23 Katsuyuki Nakasuga Yamaha Factory Racing Yamaha YZR-M1 1:57.861
24 Kohta Nozane Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha YZR-M1 2:01.730

[BMWST?]

the esparago brothers are two of the most disapointed moto gp riders to night! I reckon MM lost half a second in that big moment as someone in the top four got their times without actually getting a red sector

[roogazza]

So, we wait to see what the weather is going to dish up again.

Zarco the only hope for Yamaha at the mo.
I'll get the grass mowed and plonk myself in front of the Giggle Box at 4.30pm.

But first a morning ride !!! :rolleyes:

[ellipsis]

...can someone tell me what time it all kicks off...

[speights_bud]

...can someone tell me what time it all kicks off...10charizards.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171014/eb027b80e8894c5102cf992d20331b60.jpg

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[ellipsis]

...thanks for that...

[BMWST?]

So, we wait to see what the weather is going to dish up again.

Zarco the only hope for Yamaha at the mo.
I'll get the grass mowed and plonk myself in front of the Giggle Box at 4.30pm.

But first a morning ride !!! :rolleyes:
bloody pouring down here.Started of sunny at about 8 am but was pouring by 9! Grrr thought i would let the lawns to dry out a bit ,now i back to square 1

[pritch]

Be interesting if it looks like it might dry out, if I understood the commentators correctly, only two riders have tried slicks. 46 then 93.

[Autech]

Got to change a head gasket on a fucking ride on then its moto3 time. Usually a fantastic moto3 track with all the mad late braking moves.

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[BMWST?]

Be interesting if it looks like it might dry out, if I understood the commentators correctly, only two riders have tried slicks. 46 then 93.
yes in q2 i think Vr went out with slicks but he was miles slower and he couldnt get them to heat up.At about the half way MArk already having set the fastest time by miles.complete with Big slide coming onto front straight MM went out on the soft slicks but he couldnt get going either.Someone went rounf the outside of him.

[pritch]

Well the conditions were awful but the race had its moments. Brilliant finish.

[onearmedbandit]

What a race! The last 5 laps were edge of the seat stuff! 11 points in it.

[BMWST?]

My respect for dovi has just gone up a notch.What a fight.I thought MM had it when he passed Petrucci and then pulled away.I dont know if he made another mistake or not but then Dovi was back on his back wheel.MM made that small mistake on the lsat lao and Dovi capitalised,and again kept his head in the last corner.He had enough faaith to know that MM was in too hot and let him through once he appeared alongside.

[roogazza]

My respect for dovi has just gone up a notch.What a fight.I thought MM had it when he passed Petrucci and then pulled away.I dont know if he made another mistake or not but then Dovi was back on his back wheel.MM made that small mistake on the lsat lao and Dovi capitalised,and again kept his head in the last corner.He had enough faaith to know that MM was in too hot and let him through once he appeared alongside.

that's the second time Dovi has dicked MM,felt sure MM would have it ???
Rossi upside down. :confused:
CC upside down.:laugh:
Petruci,Zarco,Rins good rides. :yes:

[ellipsis]

...that fits somewhere in the, one of the great finishes, categories...dunno if you can be speechless while you scream your lungs out, but I was...

[pritch]

Reminded that such things as yesterday's race can divide families. A woman I used to work with is a Rossi fan going back to when she was on her big OE and saw him race at Brno for the first time when he was aged about 16.

She has her own kids now, and as sometimes happens, one of them is a Marquez fan. After Rossi crashed yesterday, she switched her allegiance to Dovi. The kid was pissed off with the way things ended and had his nose rubbed in it by his mum. To be fair you don't get that many oportunities to feed it to Marquez fans. It all ended with swearing and slamming of doors by the kid.

I had a brother who was a Casey Stoner fan. Thank God he lived in West Australia

[Autech]

Reminded that such things as yesterday's race can divide families. A woman I used to work with is a Rossi fan going back to when she was on her big OE and saw him race at Brno for the first time when he was aged about 16.

She has her own kids now, and as sometimes happens, one of them is a Marquez fan. After Rossi crashed yesterday, she switched her allegiance to Dovi. The kid was pissed off with the way things ended and had his nose rubbed in it by his mum. To be fair you don't get that many oportunities to feed it to Marquez fans. It all ended with swearing and slamming of doors by the kid.

I had a brother who was a Casey Stoner fan. Thank God he lived in West Australia

Could be worse could be a Pedrosa fan :no:

Fucking excellent race, Dovi really knows how to use MM's aggression against him, knowing what he will do he just lets him do it and then gets on with winning, Zen master shit.
It's funny but not for the first time this year I found the Moto3 race less exciting than the Moto2, something I think has been lacking in past years. Interesting title battle with have going on, always like Luthi so will be cheering him on, but Morbid deli sure can ride, lets hope the Honda doesn't screw them up next year.

[Crasherfromwayback]

r.He had enough faaith to know that MM was in too hot and let him through once he appeared alongside.

Reminds me of Stoner vs Rossi in 2007. Simply know they're gonna do the desperate braking move, let them get in too hot, and simply drive back up the inside. Game over. Time and time again. Apart from actually pulling off the late braking move, it's the easiest way to overtake someone.

[pritch]

Almost forgot. Dominic Aegerter has had his Misano win removed from the records for using incorrect oil. Tough on the young man, presumably it was a team decision rather than his. Luthi gets another five points as he now has the win.

[Autech]

Almost forgot. Dominic Aegerter has had his Misano win removed from the records for using incorrect oil. Tough on the young man, presumably it was a team decision rather than his. Luthi gets another five points as he now has the win.

Yeah can't imagine an oil giving too much of an advantage, but rules are rules! Soul crushing for Aegerter but good news for Luthi and us fan's to have him so close in the championship.

[James Deuce]

Almost forgot. Dominic Aegerter has had his Misano win removed from the records for using incorrect oil. Tough on the young man, presumably it was a team decision rather than his. Luthi gets another five points as he now has the win.
Ohh FFS. Them's the rules I suppose. Luthi doesn't deserve them after yesterday's performance. Morbidelli got his shit together, eventually.

Overall enjoyed that whole meeting, EXCEPT for that arrogant, entitled little shit who deliberately oiled the track. Has he been sent a "bill" for wasting 100s of people's time and delaying and shortening two races?

[pritch]

Luthi doesn't deserve them after yesterday's performance.
The commentators said his visor fogged up. We'd all be entitled to think that's just slack though. My helmet doesn't fog up now because if it looks like rain I stay home. For years before I retired though I had coated visors or pinlocks. Lorenzo lost a race because of a fogged visor and he changed helmet brands. A few years back Ant West accepted sponsorship from an off-beat helmet manufacturer and his helmet fogged up badly in a race which was serious for him as a wet track was his chance to shine. There's a lot of photos of Luthi wearing Shoei so who knows why his particular visor fogged.

[James Deuce]

The commentators said his visor fogged up. We'd all be entitled to think that's just slack though. My helmet doesn't fog up now because if it looks like rain I stay home. For years before I retired though I had coated visors or pinlocks. Lorenzo lost a race because of a fogged visor and he changed helmet brands. A few years back Ant West accepted sponsorship from an off-beat helmet manufacturer and his helmet fogged up badly in a race which was serious for him as a wet track was his chance to shine. There's a lot of photos of Luthi wearing Shoei so who knows why his particular visor fogged.
Yes, I know. But like Dovi, he had one job and the job was finishing in front of Morbidelli. Haven't had a helmet fog in years (thank you Pinlock and your lesser variations on double-glazing), but my glasses do but then I'm not riding in a typhoon with high humidity and an engine fogging my windscreen as well and running in a close group at over 200kph fighting for the same bit of apex while not being able to see.

But the whole weekend was like that and it should have been a priority to fix the fogging problem.

[roogazza]

So that's Motegi over with. Sure the finish was close but the weather buggered the whole thing for me.
Title is close,ra ra ! Lots fell down and got wet, several got closer to the front than they would normally but thats rain for ya.
Bwadley Smiff qualified in about 7th and came in last ! :rolleyes::clap::violin:

Lets hope Austruckinfailure P.I. this weekend brings some normality,fine weather and good racing.
We deserve it ! :mellow:

[Autech]

So that's Motegi over with. Sure the finish was close but the weather buggered the whole thing for me.
Title is close,ra ra ! Lots fell down and got wet, several got closer to the front than they would normally but thats rain for ya.
Bwadley Smiff qualified in about 7th and came in last ! :rolleyes::clap::violin:

Lets hope Austruckinfailure P.I. this weekend brings some normality,fine weather and good racing.
We deserve it ! :mellow:

I think the tyres need looking at, if Pedrosa can't get heat into them that's one thing, but several riders who are known for being good in the wet (DP,CC, JL, JM?) also are struggling to get them loaded up and working when it gets soaking wet. Dovi and MM are fine as they're mental late brakers but the tyre shouldn't be the factor in who wins and who does not. Especially when they pulled the soft front just before the race for "Safety reasons". Just like they swapped to the hard carcass for "safety reasons".

[Crasherfromwayback]

I think the tyres need looking at, if Pedrosa can't get heat into them that's one thing, but several riders who are known for being good in the wet (DP,CC, JL, JM?) also are struggling to get them loaded up and working when it gets soaking wet. Dovi and MM are fine as they're mental late brakers but the tyre shouldn't be the factor in who wins and who does not. Especially when they pulled the soft front just before the race for "Safety reasons". Just like they swapped to the hard carcass for "safety reasons".

The prob with your argument is it would seem to me it's the rears they were struggling with, so the late braking thing means nothing.

[malcy25]

The prob with your argument is it would seem to me it's the rears they were struggling with, so the late braking thing means nothing.

Plus until this year, JL has been really crap in the wet. I'll give him credit (just this once!) for getting it together well and being right there for big chunks of the race when it rains. Still fades a bit, not sure why.

[pritch]

but the tyre shouldn't be the factor in who wins and who does not.

Not only does the tyre do exactly that, it ends the GP career of those who can't adjust. Simon Crafar and Tony Elias come to mind. Pedro is in dire tyre trouble as is someone else - Alex Lowes?
It's sad, but it is a cut throat business and the Michelin rubber does seem to have a narrow performance envelope. Rather them than me.

PI may present more tyre troubles, but different ones.

[Autech]

JL was never crap in the wet, he just struggles in mixed conditions. This was full wet though and apprently he was one of the fastest later on in the race once he heated up the rear by being more agressive with the throttle, he will remember this next time...

All of you are correct though, its hard work at the top. Either you and your engineers make it happen or step aside so someone else can come along to try.

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[Autech]

On that note:
http://www.bikesportnews.com/news/news-detail/motogp-motegi-pedrosa-retires-with-serious-tyre-problems

Quality control issue in Pedrosa speak. Cunts too PC to say it as it is

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[BMWST?]

On that note:
http://www.bikesportnews.com/news/news-detail/motogp-motegi-pedrosa-retires-with-serious-tyre-problems

Quality control issue in Pedrosa speak. Cunts too PC to say it as it is

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I beleive they are forbidden to criticise the tyres (performance)directly

[speights_bud]

I beleive they are forbidden to criticise the tyres (performance)directlyThey appear to have more freedom than during the Bridgestone era. Riders were very vocal early on about the Michelins

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[roogazza]

https://motomatters.com/news/2017/10/17/broc_parkes_to_replace_jonas_folger_at.html

Aussie wild card for Australia round,makes sense I guess, he's not a bad peddler.

[5150]

http://www.bikeme.tv/index.php/it-is-stupid-to-permit-french-people-to-race-motorcycles-anyway-they-have-too-much-poodle-blood-in-their-piss-coloured-hearts/

:clap::clap::clap:

[Autech]

They appear to have more freedom than during the Bridgestone era. Riders were very vocal early on about the Michelins

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Not DP, MM etc, they seem to be well handled, I read an interview where they asked him (DP) what he thinks of the Mitchie rain tyre (sorry can't remember where) and he said "I'd rather not comment" or something to that effect. But yes last year lots of the riders were kicking up about them, not so bad this year the going consensus is that picking the right tyre on Sunday is the most important part, rather than all of them being shit. Rossi's current line of thought is that their bike has gone the wrong way to match the tyres.
I still believe that if they had stuck with the soft carcus earlier this year MM would not be leading the championship as it did not suit his style as much, point is getting the tyre right for all riders is near impossible. That's racing I guess, makes for interesting racing for us though not knowing whether our rider will get the tyre right on Sunday

[roogazza]

Not DP, MM etc, they seem to be well handled, I read an interview where they asked him (DP) what he thinks of the Mitchie rain tyre (sorry can't remember where) and he said "I'd rather not comment" or something to that effect. But yes last year lots of the riders were kicking up about them, not so bad this year the going consensus is that picking the right tyre on Sunday is the most important part, rather than all of them being shit. Rossi's current line of thought is that their bike has gone the wrong way to match the tyres.
I still believe that if they had stuck with the soft carcus earlier this year MM would not be leading the championship as it did not suit his style as much, point is getting the tyre right for all riders is near impossible. That's racing I guess, makes for interesting racing for us though not knowing whether our rider will get the tyre right on Sunday

I have thought all year Michelin have it wrong,but thats just me in my lounge chair. :lol:

[Autech]

I have thought all year Michelin have it wrong,but thats just me in my lounge chair. [emoji38]Call the cunts will ya?

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[BMWST?]

I have thought all year Michelin have it wrong,but thats just me in my lounge chair. :lol:

most of the riders wanted the harder tyre.not just MM

[steveyb]

Nice interview with Beattie on MotoGP.com. Bought a little smile to my face given how happy he is with his life now.
Racing is for most people a short or very short period of their lives.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Nice interview with Beattie on MotoGP.com. Bought a little smile to my face given how happy he is with his life now.
Racing is for most people a short or very short period of their lives.

Cheers for the heads up. I'll track it down. Always seemed like a good cunt. Such a shame he never got to show us how good he now doubt was.

[roogazza]

Cheers for the heads up. I'll track it down. Always seemed like a good cunt. Such a shame he never got to show us how good he now doubt was.

Will track that myself.
Remember when he lost his toes in a crash , his foot went into the drive chain ? :eek5:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Will track that myself.
Remember when he lost his toes in a crash , his foot went into the drive chain ? :eek5:

Like Doug Polen.

[pritch]

Either you and your engineers make it happen or step aside so someone else can come along to try.


Listening to the commentary during the Brands Hatch BSB round there was speculation as to the sudden improvement of Michael Laverty who had appeared at the sharp end of the field, and why he hadn't been there previously.

He posted on Twitter, "I didn't ride any harder this weekend, I simply had an electronics engineer who listened to me."



And here is your homework y'all:

http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opinion/motogp/rider-insight-japanese-grand-prix

http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opinion/motogp/you-release-brakes-and-believe

[manxkiwi]

Hope the weather's good at PI.

[Autech]

Hope the weather's good at PI.

Just cause you're going! :woohoo:

Have fun and try not to drink all the aussies beer in one go :drinkup:

[husaberg]

Cheers for the heads up. I'll track it down. Always seemed like a good cunt. Such a shame he never got to show us how good he now doubt was.
I think he had a series of head knocks on the Suzuki or maybe Yamaha as well that effectively curtailed his ealier promise shown on Honda.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I think he had a series of head knocks on the Suzuki or maybe Yamaha as well that effectively curtailed his ealier promise shown on Honda.

Yep. Bounced on his head way too many times.

[husaberg]

Yep. Bounced on his head way too many times.
Kevin rated him i can remember him saying they sent him out on the RGV cold with no preconceptions from about the bike.
He the came back and gave the same exact same list of issues Kevin had been telling Suzuki about all season.

[Autech]

https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/analysis-why-pedrosa-s-helplessness-is-michelin-s-frustration-966812/amp/

Turns out they are trying to help. Interesting they are increasing the pressure to give him more heat in the tyre, isn't it usually the other way around?

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[pritch]

Turns out they are trying to help. Interesting they are increasing the pressure to give him more heat in the tyre, isn't it usually the other way around?


IIRC minimum tyre pressure rules were introduced following some tyre failures (Redding, Hayden et al) which Michelin attributed to teams having lowered pressures.

[roogazza]

IIRC minimum tyre pressure rules were introduced following some tyre failures (Redding, Hayden et al) which Michelin attributed to teams having lowered pressures.

I've been waiting for an expert to come on and explain how raising pressures increases temps ? :rolleyes:

[Autech]

I've been waiting for an expert to come on and explain how raising pressures increases temps ? :rolleyes:Me phuckin too!

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[BMWST?]

Me phuckin too!

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its maybe inverse logic.as the tire heats up the pressure increases .But we all know that tyres that are soft heat up too much...is there a happy medium in there somewhere.Dani would run lower pressures but michi e are scared the tyres will delaminate ,as happened to redding etc.You would think they would have some faith in the ability of the teams to manage the situations.And with modern technology surely a tyre temp/pressure monitoring system can be quickly implemented.Isnt there supoosed to be rfid or somethig already in the tyres so that the actual tyre specification is known to the commentators and therefore the spectators/tv viewers?
Surely its a very short step to have the pressure/temp info also put in place.

[Autech]

The logic I put it to is lower pressure = more tyre touching tarmac = more heat and a happy Dani. But maybe the tyre has an optimum pressure they want it at.

Confused.

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[Drew]

The logic I put it to is lower pressure = more tyre touching tarmac = more heat and a happy Dani. But maybe the tyre has an optimum pressure they want it at.

Confused.

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Sort of. The heat is generated by tyre deflection as well. The trick is getting a balance so that as the pressure increases the tyre stops deflecting as much and keeps it at the optimum temp.

As the tyre wears though, that optimum temperature is lower. Hence the steep drop off in available traction.

[EJK]

Holy crap what a race! Easily the best/ most entertaining race of the season.

[AllanB]

Holy crap what a race! Easily the best/ most entertaining race of the season.

Just watched the wet Japan race on free TV ........ will wait a week or so for Aussie. :bleh:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Holy crap what a race! Easily the best/ most entertaining race of the season.

Fucking awesome wannit! See the back of MM's RCV at the end?

Pity I had $50.00 on Crazy Joe for a podium. Thought he was gonna do it for me.

[roogazza]

& nice to see the yamahas working ! and dry weather.

MM can just about sew it up next week.

Great scrapping from the front bunch too.

[BMWST?]

that has got to be one of the best motogp races.....ever.Was like moto3 with 7 or 8 in the lead group swapping places multiple times a lap.Zarco was motivated!He woulda loved to have been in front of VR .

[EJK]

Just watched the wet Japan race on free TV ........ will wait a week or so for Aussie. :bleh:

Make sure you have a heart defibrillator on standby. It's that good.


Fucking awesome wannit! See the back of MM's RCV at the end?

Pity I had $50.00 on Crazy Joe for a podium. Thought he was gonna do it for me.

I think I missed it. How did it look?

[AllanB]

About a decade back I was a F1 fan. But it got really, really boring........

Moto is where it is at. I really don't understand the F1 hype anymore it is still a bore. The electric series is very exciting.

[Autech]

I went from the Motogp to the Supertaxis. Was a big difference in enjoyment.

Motogp delivered big time, PI is just one of those tracks that brings out the balls and teeth. Fucking shame to see the title boys not duking (excuse pun) it out. Its MM's to lose now, classic very very masterclass crucial points gained.

Ps hope Harris finally fucks off 2018

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[EJK]

I went from the Motogp to the Supertaxis. Was a big difference in enjoyment.

Motogp delivered big time, PI is just one of those tracks that brings out the balls and teeth. Fucking shame to see the title boys not duking (excuse pun) it out. Its MM's to lose now, classic very very masterclass crucial points gained.

Ps hope Harris finally fucks off 2018

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He messed up big time! French GP? lolz

[speights_bud]

Had all the lads around I share a motogp subscription with. Bloody good evening had by all.

Beer, whiskey, Crashlow keeping it upright, Miller had a dabble at the front, Zarco stirring the pot and the yellow puta had a great race but MM took it in the end.


Looks like the front 5 all wore rubber from someone else's tyres by the end of it all too. I remember picking up rubber on my left thigh at Taupo turn 1 racing streets tock from another riders front tyre.

Can't ask for better racing IMO.

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[speights_bud]

Ps hope Harris finally fucks off 2018

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As I understand it he is retiring end of this season

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[Crasherfromwayback]

Had all the lads around I share a motogp subscription with. Bloody good evening had by all.

Beer, whiskey, Crashlow keeping it upright, Miller had a dabble at the front, Zarco stirring the pot and the yellow puta had a great race but MM took it in the end.


Looks like the front 5 all wore rubber from someone else's tyres by the end of it all too. I remember picking up rubber on my left thigh at Taupo turn 1 racing streets tock from another riders front tyre.

Can't ask for better racing IMO.

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Fucking awesome race. Funny though, sometimes, when MM roughs people up, the Rossi etc fans squeal like lil school girls. But when he's involved, it's an awesome race and spectacle. I'm all for it, and the more the merrier.

[pritch]

As I understand it he is retiring end of this season


Yep. He has already had his farewell function.

[Grumph]

Looks like the front 5 all wore rubber from someone else's tyres by the end of it all too. I remember picking up rubber on my left thigh at Taupo turn 1 racing streets tock from another riders front tyre.

Ruapuna late 60's early 70's was like that all the time. You'd come in with tyre marks on both sides of the fairing.
A few of the Southern boys had been to the UK and picked up the bad habits racing at Brands which was, I'm told, like all-in wrestling on bikes.

[speights_bud]

Ruapuna late 60's early 70's was like that all the time. You'd come in with tyre marks on both sides of the fairing.
A few of the Southern boys had been to the UK and picked up the bad habits racing at Brands which was, I'm told, like all-in wrestling on bikes.Bloody good stuff.

Yes health and safety blah blah but I want to see the kind of aggression riders had in the past where they really hated each other and weren't afraid to give what they get.

None of this having a whine post race saying "I think he is too rough and he needs to learn this is not moto2" fuck that.

[Crasherfromwayback]

None of this having a whine post race saying "I think he is too rough and he needs to learn this is not moto2" fuck that.



Too fucking right! As long as it's aggressive but fair...all is good! There were some humdinger passes in that race, by all of them.

[onearmedbandit]

Fucking awesome race. Funny though, sometimes, when MM roughs people up, the Rossi etc fans squeal like lil school girls. But when he's involved, it's an awesome race and spectacle. I'm all for it, and the more the merrier.

Meh and there are MM fans who are the same. And JL. And blah blah blah.

I agree with your last statement though, let the rubbing rule.

[roogazza]

Ruapuna late 60's early 70's was like that all the time. You'd come in with tyre marks on both sides of the fairing.
A few of the Southern boys had been to the UK and picked up the bad habits racing at Brands which was, I'm told, like all-in wrestling on bikes.

Yeah Greg, 70's was often like that esspecially in the 410 Prod class. Rubber marks up your legs,mufflers and number boards.
Not up your arms tho,the tyres didn't allow hanging off that far in those days lol ! :laugh::eek:
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[george formby]

Yeah Greg, 70's was often like that esspecially in the 410 Prod class. Rubber marks up your legs,mufflers and number boards.
Not up your arms tho,the tyres didn't allow hanging off that far in those days lol ! :laugh::eek:


:shit: Just watched the race again without a distracting horde. Not many races are better on the second viewing but this one was. Wow!

Some intimate moments in moto2, too.

[Autech]

Yep. He has already had his farewell function.Fuck I missed it! Shame I wasn't there to tell him what a masterclass he was. He wasn't always terrible IIRC but clearly he's past it now.

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[Grumph]

Yeah Greg, 70's was often like that esspecially in the 410 Prod class. Rubber marks up your legs,mufflers and number boards.
Not up your arms tho,the tyres didn't allow hanging off that far in those days lol ! :laugh::eek:

Modern tyres are softer compound too....leave marks easier, LOL.

When Wylie or Matt Gibbons hit you - to name the two worst offenders - you had to retaliate immediately or it got worse.
When I came back in the early days of the register down here, Ray Shearman took me aside and said sternly " motorcycle racing is no longer a contact sport"...Aw, Ray, you've taken all the fun out of it...

As an aside, Jim Landrebe came back with a Honda Bros F2 bike for a couple of meetings. After he'd lightly (by my standards) roughed up one of the younger top guys at a club day, I was approached by the victim to speak to Jim. I declined and told him to harden up....

[Drew]

Peter Tanner was awesome at leaning on ya and being a bully.
Lean back on him and he'd knock it off. Was all above board and good fun.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I agree with your last statement though, let the rubbing rule.

Fuck yeah! Rubber all over the leathers is the way to go.

[ellipsis]

...I met one of the good people in racing I have known, by exchanging tank paint and not being able to unlock our bars at times, before I ever new his name or shook his hand...

[Autech]

I once bailed out of a move in the dipper when I was clean along side a chap up the right and he came right across at me. It was the last lap and I had been planning that move all race after losing out to him on the straights lap after lap then catching him in the infield.
I asked him afterwards if he knew I was there when he came across, he was like "Yeah", still feel like a real pussy to this day!

Bit of rubbing doesn't hurt and those motogp guys are a cut above when it comes to saving a bike, that VR MM touch should have seen both of them on the ground, especially MM but somehow they stayed on board and gave us a top notch show. AI was the biggest wildcard among them and cost us the chance of VR and MM going for 1st at the end but that is the way he has always ridden and after his shit showing all year it was good to see him in the fray.

[malcy25]

Fucking awesome race. Funny though, sometimes, when MM roughs people up, the Rossi etc fans squeal like lil school girls. But when he's involved, it's an awesome race and spectacle. I'm all for it, and the more the merrier.

I read somewhere 73 lead changes in that one 28 lap race and 5 or 6 different riders lead it at some point.....

That's what fast flowing circuits with few slow speed corners will do for you!

[Crasherfromwayback]

I read somewhere 73 lead changes in that one 28 lap race and 5 or 6 different riders lead it at some point.....

That's what fast flowing circuits with few slow speed corners will do for you!

Def. Yet they still forget that when making new ones more often than not eh!

[Autech]

Def. Yet they still forget that when making new ones more often than not eh!

Like COTA. Brilliant from a technical perspective but...

In all the excitement we all forgot to talk about Moto3 and how fucking good that Joan Mir is. He's possibly the best we've seen in Moto3 since Jack Miller and Vinales I would think just going of his statistics, he'll make it to Motogp.
Olivera is another good rider from Moto3 coming in hot, he made Danny Kent's title very difficult in '15 once the KTM got the chassis upgrade.

Big difference I think when you compare Mir to riders like Fenati or Kent is the time it took for him to get winning, if you look back at the aliens time you find they win a title within 2-3 years of racing 125/Moto3.
Actually, a quick look through the notable names stats he did exactly what Rossi did, 2 full seasons to win a title. DP, MM, MV took 3 full seasons. Impressive in a field of young hungry riders with sharp elbows.

Wonder if he'll take to moto2 like a duck to a body of water and start winning straight away like the elder Marquez? IIRC Marquez was on pole on his first moto2 race before binning it? Wonder if anyone will take a bet this early on Mir starting from the front row in Qatar.

[george formby]

Like COTA. Brilliant from a technical perspective but...

In all the excitement we all forgot to talk about Moto3 and how fucking good that Joan Mir is. He's possibly the best we've seen in Moto3 since Jack Miller and Vinales I would think just going of his statistics, he'll make it to Motogp.
Olivera is another good rider from Moto3 coming in hot, he made Danny Kent's title very difficult in '15 once the KTM got the chassis upgrade.

Big difference I think when you compare Mir to riders like Fenati or Kent is the time it took for him to get winning, if you look back at the aliens time you find they win a title within 2-3 years of racing 125/Moto3.
Actually, a quick look through the notable names stats he did exactly what Rossi did, 2 full seasons to win a title. DP, MM, MV took 3 full seasons. Impressive in a field of young hungry riders with sharp elbows.

Wonder if he'll take to moto2 like a duck to a body of water and start winning straight away like the elder Marquez? IIRC Marquez was on pole on his first moto2 race before binning it? Wonder if anyone will take a bet this early on Mir starting from the front row in Qatar.

:clap:Love your work. Motogp is the icing on the cake, the progression through moto 3 / 2 is what fascinates me. Who's the next alien?

Mir has ridden some brilliant races, ability and strategy.

Morbidelli and Binder are also on my watch list. Nice to see Binder at the pointy end in moto 2.

Bit of a fan of Canet, too. Feisty.

[ellipsis]

...Brad Binder...fuck yeah...:Punk:

[Autech]

:clap:Love your work. Motogp is the icing on the cake, the progression through moto 3 / 2 is what fascinates me. Who's the next alien?

Mir has ridden some brilliant races, ability and strategy.

Morbidelli and Binder are also on my watch list. Nice to see Binder at the pointy end in moto 2.

Bit of a fan of Canet, too. Feisty.


...Brad Binder...fuck yeah...:Punk:

Lets not forget young Bagniaia too who if he wasn't on a slow Mahindra in Moto3 might have won a championship.
Lots of talent, but the alien potential I think goes to Mir going on current showings. An alien changes classes and gets competitive straight away.
It's this that the top aliens all share I think, they got on board and never stopped winning. Of course guys like DP, VR, MM all went straight to the good bikes which helps, Zarco is a an example of an exceptional rider on a good bike showing his class, unfortunately for him his class has to out class many other classy riders which hasn't helped him win this year, still 2 races to go though...

I move that we all pitch in $100 each to fund our own Motogp team so there is enough bikes for the good riders to progress to. Any shortfalls in funding will have to be made up every weekend outside Bunnings running a sausage sizzle.

[Cosmik de Bris]

Yeah Greg, 70's was often like that esspecially in the 410 Prod class. Rubber marks up your legs,mufflers and number boards.
Not up your arms tho,the tyres didn't allow hanging off that far in those days lol ! :laugh::eek:
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I've had tyre marks on my helmet! Memo to self: Don't fall off while at the front.

Cheers

[george formby]

Lets not forget young Bagniaia too who if he wasn't on a slow Mahindra in Moto3 might have won a championship.
Lots of talent, but the alien potential I think goes to Mir going on current showings. An alien changes classes and gets competitive straight away.
It's this that the top aliens all share I think, they got on board and never stopped winning. Of course guys like DP, VR, MM all went straight to the good bikes which helps, Zarco is a an example of an exceptional rider on a good bike showing his class, unfortunately for him his class has to out class many other classy riders which hasn't helped him win this year, still 2 races to go though...

I move that we all pitch in $100 each to fund our own Motogp team so there is enough bikes for the good riders to progress to. Any shortfalls in funding will have to be made up every weekend outside Bunnings running a sausage sizzle.

I must admit, as a Zarco fan, he has exceeded my expectations for his debut season. He and Folger may have also demonstrated the 2 steps forward, one step back nature of bike development.

Alien potential? Dunno, some great riding, aggression, big balls, but brilliance? Maybe later.

As good as the current aliens are the younger wannabes are piggy backing off them and are not in awe, they want to race, the top riders are targets.

A plumber at work started talking about motogp recently, much to my surprise. His words were "way better than any other motor sport". Couldn't agree more. (Except for road racing:shit:) I can only see it getting better... Which is quite amazing.

An NZ motogp team? I know a bloke at Air New Zealand and a couple of minted farmers who could supply the snags and a decent barn in the off season.

[Autech]

I must admit, as a Zarco fan, he has exceeded my expectations for his debut season. He and Folger may have also demonstrated the 2 steps forward, one step back nature of bike development.

Alien potential? Dunno, some great riding, aggression, big balls, but brilliance? Maybe later.

As good as the current aliens are the younger wannabes are piggy backing off them and are not in awe, they want to race, the top riders are targets.

A plumber at work started talking about motogp recently, much to my surprise. His words were "way better than any other motor sport". Couldn't agree more. (Except for road racing:shit:) I can only see it getting better... Which is quite amazing.

An NZ motogp team? I know a bloke at Air New Zealand and a couple of minted farmers who could supply the snags and a decent barn in the off season.Crutchlow makes the occasional good point and one he made earlier in this season stuck with me. Stick any other of the rookies on Zarcos bike and they could do the same. Buttt, back to back titles in Moto2? Could be an alien indeed!

Speaking of aliens here's a few talking about the potential alien I mentioned earlier:
https://www.motorsport.com/moto3/news/motogp-stars-hail-moto3-champion-mir-969856/

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[roogazza]

Interview with Doohan as he arrives in Sepang:
Q: It's a question that gets asked a lot, is this the greatest era in GP history?

Mick Doohan: It's certainly a great era, that's for sure. But what's the greatest? I remember when Rossi was racing with such-and-such and it was called the best time… I remember Kenny Roberts and Freddie Spencer being called the best time ever!

I think whenever there's great racing, that's the best time. The good thing about motorcycle racing is that they can pass, the aerodynamics are not so much of an issue.

The good thing at the moment is that there are also a lot of known riders in the pack who can actually challenge for a win. So although it seems to be the same guys winning, there is always a hope that someone else can win.

It's certainly a good era as far as that aspect goes, but motorcycle racing is always going to produce great races. Occasionally Marc takes off and wins by a country mile, but then you have races like you did last weekend.

I don't come to many grands prix these days, I was at Phillip Island last week, but the one in Japan generally I'd fall asleep or something! But they've been good races so you really want to keep watching them and, 'wow', you talk about them afterwards.

As I say, the winner from all this has been MotoGP and Dorna over their four-wheeled competitor!

Q: You obviously overcame some big injuries, what have you made of Valentino coming back from his broken leg?

Mick Doohan: Look, that's nothing short of sheer determination and talent from Valentino. He could have just sat back, put his feet up and come back in his own time. But to have that sort of injury and then still want to get back, to still believe that he's got a chance of the championship, I think that shows the determination and commitment to the sport that he has.

He is not just there to make up the numbers; he's there to win. He's there to win the championship and he loves it. A few years ago you perhaps thought Valentino should almost retire. But at the moment you forget about his age.

He's still the biggest name in the sport - Marquez is a close second - plus he's committed. He's as good now as he was when he was winning his championships. Unfortunately, things haven’t rolled his way the past few years, but he's been close.

He's had a few challenges with Lorenzo and now Vinales [as team-mates] but he's showing, 'you're not going to come in here and kick me around, you're going to have to fight for this'.

And that just shows the determination, commitment to the sport and how much he loves it. I think for somebody to have had a winning career of 17 years and to be in the sport for 20-odd years - in any sport, be it golf or tennis or whatever, there's not many guys that could last that long.

Most guys would get burnt out, the desire to actually compete dwindles and they lose the will to win - especially the amount he's won, it's not like Valentino is chasing his first win!

Q: Do you think things can roll his way for title number ten in future?

Mick Doohan: Without a doubt, it depends on how long he wants to compete. This year again he was up around the front and challenging until he had the injury. Last year he was challenging as well, so he's in amongst it and just needs the cards to fall his way.

This year really could have been anybody's. They all had a crash pretty much, there's been a whole bunch of things that kept everyone together. There's a little bit of luck required this year - consistency is key, clearly you've got to be consistently out front.

But there's been so many other variables it's also made the championship exciting, because suddenly something happens and you think they are out of it and the next minute they are back in the game.

Q: What do you make of the modern bikes?

Mick Doohan: The lean angles and the side grip are great and some bikes handle staying on their side longer than others. But that's the main thing.

And with that I think it becomes a bit easier to lowside. Because even not so long ago it was about getting in to the corner, getting the bike down, the lean angles were quite low, but then you'd pick the thing straight back up and get it out of there. Now you stay on your side, it's a bit like a Moto3 bike.

So I think that has changed the dynamics a little bit; there are not so many big highsides but there are a number of lowsides. Equally, as things like tyres evolve you have to adapt. Even for the ten years I competed, things were always changing and these guys will keep adapting to whatever they have to do.

But the bikes sound great and look great.

[roogazza]

Hoping for dry again ????? :confused:

From from my lounge chair,I'd like to see MM,VR and MV fighting for podium,
Zarco and Dovi 4th and 5th ?

But wet and dice will be thrown ?
Either way I hope to burn fossal fuels myself sunday morn ? :msn-wink::banana: