MotoGP 2017

[EJK]

Meanwhile JL has opined that Miller should not have been allowed to ride following his crash. There is some suggestion that miller didn't look completely "with it" but the medical team had passed him fit to ride.

Miller was apparently unimpressed and suggested George should shove his opinion where only his proctologist would see it. They aren't friends any more.

Dare say we'll get more detail in time but that's the gist.

Got a link? Wanna have a closer read! :corn:

Also, yeah Jack, brave man that guy! Jumping on a bike straight after to do laps on qualifier. If I was ever involved in a crash like that I'd stay away from another bike trying to shake off the feeling for days or even weeks.

[Autech]

Apparently it wasn't to do with the crash just miller shot JL down in the safety briefing for suggesting they run both componds going forward. He said "opinions are like arseholes". JL thinks he should show him and other riders more respect, but most of all the dangers of riding a motogp bike.




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[pritch]

Too hard to pick an order this week. (Not that most of us were managing to do it when it wasn't so hard.) Zarco is fast and seems level headed, but he is French; I hope he doesn't get overcome by the situation and takes someone else into the gravel with him.

Mr Emmett's take on things including the Miller Lorenzo tif: https://motomatters.com/analysis/2017/05/21/2017_le_mans_motogp_saturday_round_up.html

The second public comment is interesting.

[george formby]

Too hard to pick an order this week. (Not that most of us were managing to do it when it wasn't so hard.) Zarco is fast and seems level headed, but he is French; I hope he doesn't get overcome by the situation and takes someone else into the gravel with him.

Mr Emmett's take on things including the Miller Lorenzo tif: https://motomatters.com/analysis/2017/05/21/2017_le_mans_motogp_saturday_round_up.html

The second public comment is interesting.

Ditto. We've just watched FP4 and qualifying, Zarco has to finish. And be on the podium. In our humble opinion.

Crikey, all that excitement and the race doesn't start for hours!

I'm off to read your link.

[speights_bud]

Holy shit, a racers worst nightmare. Moto 3, oil everywhere 15 odd bikes down jeebus. Looked like everyone is ok at the moment.....

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[speights_bud]

Fair bit of clean up https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170521/a653bd025c6ca77ba8bf4c737c23330f.jpg

[EJK]

Insane!!! :shit:

Hope this doesn't affect Moto2 and MotoGP

[Autech]

Scary shit that


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[speights_bud]

Gutted for Darryn Binder. I haven't picked a favourite for Moto 3 this year, just picking one out race by race.

Was hoping he'd get home on the podium.

[Autech]

Gutted for Darryn Binder. I haven't picked a favourite for Moto 3 this year, just picking one out race by race.

Was hoping he'd get home on the podium.

He's just that next level unhinged. His brother always seems calmer on the bike even when he was backing it in a like a champ.

I just get laughs out of the last name when they crash, as they "binned her"


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[eelracing]

The silly old pillock just up and fucked an epic race.:baby:

[EJK]

The silly old pillock just up and fucked an epic race.:baby:

Still, was that a good race or what!! Wow..!!! So much drama!



Don't get me wrong, my heart sank like titanic at the final lap but couldn't help but to think of this...

<img src="http://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-your-ambition-outweighed-your-talent-casey-stoner-77-22-88.jpg" />

[caspernz]

Awesome race. Thought Vale was gonna win that one...

[pritch]

That much excitement near the end of a race makes it hard to get to sleep.

[Autech]

Yeah I thought it was all done n dusted them boom. Super happy for Dani to pick up 3rd too after a solid ride. He wasn't fucking about moving forward through the pack!

Unlucky for VR but MV laid down the challenge


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[EJK]

Unlucky for VR but MV laid down the challenge

"Throw down the gauntlet!!!" as Mr. Harris would say...

[roogazza]

"Throw down the gauntlet!!!" as Mr. Harris would say...

Or make a 'Classic' pass ! or just babble ! :weep:

Go Vale good try, roll on Mugello !!! Yamaha, MV , Zarco :clap:

[Crasherfromwayback]

. Super happy for Dani to pick up 3rd too after a solid ride. He wasn't fucking about moving forward through the pack!

k

His pass on Crutchless was the most agro pass I've ever seen him make. I like it.

[pritch]

His pass on Crutchless was the most agro pass I've ever seen him make. I like it.

Almost out of character, but it worked.

As someone else remarked, if you're going to do a move like that on CC best not to hang about. That file should probably not be regarded as closed?

[Autech]

Almost out of character, but it worked.

As someone else remarked, if you're going to do a move like that on CC best not to hang about. That file should probably not be regarded as closed?

CC reckons as DP was hanging off the inside of the bike he didn't see him which DP confirmed, either way DP was on the charge and was about to school MM when he crashed. If only he had qualified better we might have had him up front dicing.

The new tyre might just shift it back in MMs favour but could also help dani as he will be able to run a softer compound without the flex. Time will tell. Who dares to predict Muggello? Lol.


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[Autech]

https://motomatters.com/analysis/2017/05/22/2017_le_mans_sunday_round_up_an_age_of.html

Some fantastic writing from Emmet once again.


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[russd7]

"Throw down the gauntlet!!!" as Mr. Harris would say...

how bout "force an unforced error" when mv cut the corner behind rossi

[BMWST?]

how bout "force an unforced error" when mv cut the corner behind rossi
yes i caught that one!I can forgive him that though was certainly exciting!

[eelracing]

His pass on Crutchless was the most agro pass I've ever seen him make. I like it.


I woulda thought his reckless taking out of Nicky Hayden in 06 was worse...R.I.P Champ.

[pritch]

Yeah, Newstalk ZB reported at 6AM that Hayden has died. Sadly this time it might be true.

[speights_bud]

MotoGP official statement :bye:

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2017/05/22/nicky-hayden-passes-away/228157

[onearmedbandit]

Woke up to the news this morning, gutted. Always liked Nicky, heck my phone number is made up of three MotoGP racers race numbers, riders who have stood out to me. 69 is there.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I woulda thought his reckless taking out of Nicky Hayden in 06 was worse...R.I.P Champ.

Remember it well. Very sad about Nicky. RIP indeed.

[Autech]

He was always such a battler on track and seemed like a real nice chap off it. Gutted as I wanted him to be the first to crown both MGP n WSBK.

Guys only 5 years older than me ffs, too young.


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[EJK]

Real shitty news to wake up to...

[merv]

Terrible news. You always hope people recover from injuries but alas not this time. RIP Nicky.

[pritch]

Initially I was not a particular fan of Hayden but the dignified way he behaved when Puig and co joined the Repsol Team and Hayden was shit on quite severely changed my view. Twitter this morning is full of comments to the effect that he was the nicest guy in the paddock.

A female triathlete died in the same hospital on the same day following having been hit by a truck while cycling. In an interview on the radio the young Kiwi guy who recently won the Tour of California said four people he knows have been killed while cycling. He attributed this in part to cell phone usage by drivers.

Apparently most pro racers be it BSB, WSBK, or MotoGP, cycle as part of their fitness training so Nicky may not be the last. It'd be ironic if, with all the run off around the tracks these days, the fitness training was more dangerous than the racing.

[onearmedbandit]

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/249840/1/rossi-involved-in-motocross-training-accident.html

Hopefully he's fine for next weekend.

[roogazza]

331060

All good after over night stay Rimmini Hosp. :banana::2thumbsup

[Crasherfromwayback]

Hopefully he's fine for next weekend.

Yep. Be a shit outcome if he was hurt and missed a round. He's a tough Old Nut though. He'll be right I reckon.

[ellipsis]

He's a tough Old Nut though. He'll be right I reckon.

...Yip...remembering back a few seasons when after breaking his leg in what was one of his first offs where he broke something and many wrote him off then as 'not being a tough nut and it maybe being his demise'...

[roogazza]

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/250969/1/michelin-a-clear-direction-for-the-year.html

[pritch]

Rossi is to undergo a fitness test at Mugello. Those can be cruel.

Feeling slightly discombobulated currently. My brother, on his post retirement trip, is currently in Tuscany. He was due to drive past Mugello yesterday. He and his wife had no plans to stop.

[Crasherfromwayback]

He and his wife had no plans to stop.

Disown him.

[Autech]

Feeling slightly discombobulated currently. My brother, on his post retirement trip, is currently in Tuscany. He was due to drive past Mugello yesterday. He and his wife had no plans to stop.

And you still call him your brother???

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/250977/1/marquez-hayden-will-always-be-in-our-hearts.html

Interesting what Dani said about it being Hayden that recommended the arm pump surgeon. I wonder how many riders he influenced by just being such a nice guy. Legend.

Any predictions this weekend for the brave ones?
Now MM has his new tyre he shouldn't crash this round so maybe we might see him at the top? DP doesn't have a great record there so I think it'll be between MM, the two Yamahas and maybe JL for the podium spots.

[Autech]

https://motomatters.com/analysis/2017/06/01/2017_mugello_motogp_thursday_round_up.html

So the way I read Scott's comments is that MM and VR wanted the tyre and that was that for the rest of the riders?

It's funny though that for a rider who "can ride around problems" MM hasn't done much of that this season?

My prediction, MM will start doing better with this tyre and most the other riders will either suffer or have no improvement.

[Crasherfromwayback]

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It's funny though that for a rider who "can ride around problems" MM hasn't done much of that this season?

.

Think you'll find he's been having to do it for the last few seasons mate. Bit like Old Mate on the Ducati...

http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2009/05/31/mugello-2009-motogp-full-race/108525

[pritch]

So the way I read Scott's comments is that MM and VR wanted the tyre and that was that for the rest of the riders?


ESA was enthusiastic in his praise of the stiffer carcase. Reddiings comments are interesting because there were only three votes against the change. Lorenzo and Vinales being two of them and it's not as if they are nobodies.

[Autech]

Think you'll find he's been having to do it for the last few seasons mate. Bit like Old Mate on the Ducati...

http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2009/05/31/mugello-2009-motogp-full-race/108525

I'd say he finds ways to make the bike ride like he wants it to rather than changing his style to ride around problems. 2015 was a good example of that, bike no work, gimme old chassis please. This season, tyre no work, gimme harder carcass please.

Last season was his best season ever imo as he learned he can't always win.

Stoner rode around problems, MM, not so much.


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[Crasherfromwayback]

I'd say he finds ways to make the bike ride like he wants it to rather than changing his style to ride around problems.
Stoner rode around problems, MM, not so much.



I think you'll find anyone as good at flatrack racing as they both are, is a master of riding around, and finding a solution to problems on the fly mate.

[Autech]

I think you'll find anyone as good at flatrack racing as they both are, is a master of riding around, and finding a solution to problems on the fly mate.

Like Jack Miller?

Point I am trying to make is they're all so feking talented. We are lucky to see such a great bunch out there doing there thing.

AD
DP
MV
JZ
JL

MM DNF, VR will struggle his way to a top 10.


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[pritch]

CC
JZ
AD
DP
MV

Or you could pull them out of a hat?

[roogazza]

I wouldn't be discounting Rossi,its only FP2.
Have a look at Qual and still don't discount him.

[george formby]

Like Jack Miller?

Point I am trying to make is they're all so feking talented. We are lucky to see such a great bunch out there doing there thing.

AD
DP
MV
JZ
JL

MM DNF, VR will struggle his way to a top 10.


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Lucky? This is the 3rd consecutive season I've sprung for the MotoGP video pass, I'm blessed. The racing just gets better, which is hard to believe. I'm running out of superlatives, bit like Nick Harris but I swear and slur more.

Dovi will be balls out but may get shunted, Rossi will be on heavy meds and Zarco has learned a lot about Mugello after his Moto 2 win there last season.

My predictions will be coming out of my old crash helmet, clueless I am.

Ok, Caberg says..

MM
JL
CC
JZ

Bollocks, I just looked at the FP standings... Should have used my Bell.

[Dadpole]

We are a third of the way through the season. Dani Pedrosa is uninjured and in second place! Dare I hope???

[Autech]

We are a third of the way through the season. Dani Pedrosa is uninjured and in second place! Dare I hope???

If it happens we should get together and get shitfaced in his honour


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[pritch]

I wouldn't be discounting Rossi,its only FP2.
Have a look at Qual and still don't discount him.

I read the bit about him finding that it hurt to pull himself forward on the bike, which he had not been expecting. I'd been considering including him in my list but thought maybe not. Of course if he shows me up as a follower of little faith I'll be delighted.

MV apparently had a high speed off and was feeling fairly second hand which is why he is so far down my list.

[BMWST?]

I read the bit about him finding that it hurt to pull himself forward on the bike, which he had not been expecting. I'd been considering including him in my list but thought maybe not. Of course if he shows me up as a follower of little faith I'll be delighted.

MV apparently had a high speed off and was feeling fairly second hand which is why he is so far down my list.
and to mess things up VR goes fastest in fp3

GRAN PREMIO D'ITALIA OAKLEYMotoGP Free Practice Nr. 3 Classification 2017 (http://resources.motogp.com/files/results/2017/ITA/MotoGP/FP3/Classification.pdf?v1_3bd386a5)

Mugello, Saturday, June 03, 2017

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Pos.
Num.
Rider
Nation
Team
Bike
Km/h
Time
Gap 1st/Prev.

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1
46
Valentino ROSSI (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Valentino+Rossi)
ITA
Movistar Yamaha MotoGP
Yamaha
344.9
1'46.543



2
93
Marc MARQUEZ (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Marc+Marquez)
SPA
Repsol Honda Team
Honda
344.6
1'46.865
0.322 / 0.322


3
99
Jorge LORENZO (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Jorge+Lorenzo)
SPA
Ducati Team
Ducati
348.9
1'46.911
0.368 / 0.046


4
19
Alvaro BAUTISTA (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Alvaro+Bautista)
SPA
Pull&Bear Aspar Team
Ducati
350.6
1'46.959
0.416 / 0.048


5
25
Maverick VIÑALES (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Maverick+Vi%C3%B1ales)
SPA
Movistar Yamaha MotoGP
Yamaha
342.9
1'46.972
0.429 / 0.013


6
53
Tito RABAT (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Tito+Rabat)
SPA
EG 0,0 Marc VDS
Honda
342.0
1'47.048
0.505 / 0.076


7
51
Michele PIRRO (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Michele+Pirro)
ITA
Ducati Team
Ducati
353.2
1'47.110
0.567 / 0.062


8
4
Andrea DOVIZIOSO (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Andrea+Dovizioso)
ITA
Ducati Team
Ducati
352.4
1'47.120
0.577 / 0.010


9
26
Dani PEDROSA (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Dani+Pedrosa)
SPA
Repsol Honda Team
Honda
344.8
1'47.166
0.623 / 0.046


10
41
Aleix ESPARGARO (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Aleix+Espargaro)
SPA
Aprilia Racing Team Gresini
Aprilia
341.3
1'47.173
0.630 / 0.007


11
5
Johann ZARCO (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Johann+Zarco)
FRA
Monster Yamaha Tech 3
Yamaha
343.1
1'47.257
0.714 / 0.084


12
45
Scott REDDING (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Scott+Redding)
GBR
OCTO Pramac Racing
Ducati
348.9
1'47.428
0.885 / 0.171


13
9
Danilo PETRUCCI (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Danilo+Petrucci)
ITA
OCTO Pramac Racing
Ducati
345.8
1'47.429
0.886 / 0.001


14
35
Cal CRUTCHLOW (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Cal+Crutchlow)
GBR
LCR Honda
Honda
339.3
1'47.456
0.913 / 0.027


15
8
Hector BARBERA (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Hector+Barbera)
SPA
Reale Avintia Racing
Ducati
351.3
1'47.528
0.985 / 0.072


16
29
Andrea IANNONE (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Andrea+Iannone)
ITA
Team SUZUKI ECSTAR
Suzuki
341.6
1'47.566
1.023 / 0.038


17
94
Jonas FOLGER (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Jonas+Folger)
GER
Monster Yamaha Tech 3
Yamaha
338.8
1'47.624
1.081 / 0.058


18
44
Pol ESPARGARO (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Pol+Espargaro)
SPA
Red Bull KTM Factory Racing
KTM
341.7
1'48.017
1.474 / 0.393


19
76
Loris BAZ (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Loris+Baz)
FRA
Reale Avintia Racing
Ducati
339.3
1'48.096
1.553 / 0.079


20
22
Sam LOWES (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Sam+Lowes)
GBR
Aprilia Racing Team Gresini
Aprilia
337.8
1'48.229
1.686 / 0.133


21
43
Jack MILLER (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Jack+Miller)
AUS
EG 0,0 Marc VDS
Honda
343.5
1'48.337
1.794 / 0.108


22
38
Bradley SMITH (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Bradley+Smith)
GBR
Red Bull KTM Factory Racing
KTM
341.1
1'48.531
1.988 / 0.194


23
17
Karel ABRAHAM (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Karel+Abraham)
CZE
Pull&Bear Aspar Team
Ducati
342.5
1'48.551
2.008 / 0.020


24
50
Sylvain GUINTOLI (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Sylvain+Guintoli)
FRA
Team SUZUKI ECSTAR
Suzuki
342.0
1'49.212
2.669 / 0.661

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Weather Conditions:| Track Condition: Dry| Air: 24º| Humidity: 46%| Ground: 39ºRecords:
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Fastest Lap:
Lap: 19
Valentino ROSSI (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Valentino+Rossi)
1'46.543
177.2 Km/h


Circuit Record Lap:
2013
Marc MARQUEZ (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Marc+Marquez)
1'47.639
175.4 Km/h


Best Lap:
2015
Andrea IANNONE (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Andrea+Iannone)
1'46.489
177.3 Km/h

</tbody>

[Dadpole]

MM
VR
DP

I too scratched Vinales because of that crash in FP. That looked like it really knocked the sparkle off him.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Mv

mm

ad

vr

dp

[EJK]

Marquez
Rossi
Dovi

[Autech]

MM reckons DP is the man to beat. I haven't seen that in his lap times but maybe his spies in DPs garage know something. Track will be cooler for race so MM might be a contender now, I think if it remained as hot as it was on Saturday he would have cooked his tyre.

I will stick with my previous prediction though but with the VR falling back, as dickhead would say, "Don't rule him out for a win".

Speaking of dick heads I watched fP4 last night before passing out and counted the use of the word "crucial" about 20times in the first 5 minutes. Wankers


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[BMWST?]

MM looks pretty much on the limit.I thought that if was slippy the Hondas were supposed to work a little better,or the yammies a little less good

[ellipsis]

MM reckons DP is the man to beat. I haven't seen that in his lap times but maybe his spies in DPs garage know something. Track will be cooler for race so MM might be a contender now, I think if it remained as hot as it was on Saturday he would have cooked his tyre.

I will stick with my previous prediction though but with the VR falling back, as dickhead would say, "Don't rule him out for a win".

Speaking of dick heads I watched fP4 last night before passing out and counted the use of the word "crucial" about 20times in the first 5 minutes. Wankers


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...I found a Spanish stream...the unintelligible was more entertaining than the English commentators and guess what, the boys on the track can't hear them so the racing is just the same...you didn't have to hear anything to know that Zarco's placing in FP3 then his placing in FP4 and then Q1 and his subsequent placing in Q2 had me wondering about his head or his setup, then when you look at how close all the top ten boys are, it yet again means it's anybodies race...tyres, temperature and luck will override even skill factors when the times are so close...hunger for winning shone from MM from day one, back when he crashed the party...now there are people who have as big an appetite as his was...

[speights_bud]

Speaking of dick heads I watched fP4 last night before passing out and counted the use of the word "crucial" about 20times in the first 5 minutes. Wankers

I also heard that Bautista is riding one of those fancy "Aprilia Ducatis"

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[ecko_nzed]

I also heard that Bautista is riding one of those fancy "Aprilia Ducatis"

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I thought the Muppet said that, but couldn't assed rewinding to be sure. I'm sure he was referring to pettrucci's lap as Pedrosa's too.

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[speights_bud]

I thought the Muppet said that, but couldn't assed rewinding to be sure. I'm sure he was referring to pettrucci's lap as Pedrosa's too.

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Pretty sure he did

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[steveyb]

So it is true, Triumph to power Moto2 from 2019.
A 765cc triple in race tune developed from the new Street Triple.
Changing from Honda due to them pulling back from, or even totally away from, making the 600cc Supersport bike.

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2017/06/03/triumph-announced-as-moto2-engine-supplier-from-2019/230116

Bell mouths look HUGE!!

Engines to be manufactured in Thailand.

Minimum 133PS.
80Nm torque.

[pritch]

So it is true, Triumph to power Moto2 from 2019.
A 765cc triple in race tune developed from the new Street Triple.

Engines to be manufactured in Thailand.


I seem to recall the Honda 600 engines did over a million kilometres of racing with only 2 failures. Here's hoping Triumph can do similar, there is a potential for embarrassment.

[EJK]

Oh my God amazing sponsorship! Di Giannantonio celebrating and congratulating Migno immediately after a tough battle! Now that's amazing! Will lookout for his name in the future.

[pritch]

What a Moto2 race! I'm thrilled for Pasini, I remember him having an awful run of luck about 10 years ago and being reduced to tears. This will have made up for a lot of that. Brilliant!

[ellipsis]

...fuck yeah...hot stuff that last lap...

[EJK]

Won't be surprised if they banned yellow smoke next season!

[roogazza]

Hondas had a real good day hahaha. :shit:
Doocatis so fast in the last part of that long straightaway.:shifty:

Three really good races for me ? :msn-wink:

[Autech]

Epic race. Dovi smashed it n showed them who's boss. I noticed midway through the race when he was tailing MV that he must have dropped to a fuel saving map to make the race distance, once he turned up the juice though, epic.

MM did worse than I thought but no where near as bad as DP, wonder if he had a dodgy front tyre? Or maybe the hard was the wrong choice. Him and CC will have to kiss n make up, unlucky for both


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[pritch]

It was really pissing down here for a lot of the race and I was thinking I'd lose the picture any minute but there was no problem. Until the last lap - most of which I missed. On balance I'll still count that as lucky.

It's fair to assume none of us had a crystal ball that predicted that finishing order. Was pleased for Petrux and Dovi, that would have meant a lot to them.

[Autech]

It was really pissing down here for a lot of the race and I was thinking I'd lose the picture any minute but there was no problem. Until the last lap - most of which I missed. On balance I'll still count that as lucky.

It's fair to assume none of us had a crystal ball that predicted that finishing order. Was pleased for Petrux and Dovi, that would have meant a lot to them.

I was pretty sure on Dovi and NEARLY put some coin down on Petrux for a podium before the race but something stopped me.

Italian fans are the best by far, glad the had some home heros to sing along too. I was singing too!


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[KawasakiKid]

Great racing, enormous ride from Vale in such pain. Congrats Dovi, never looked like getting beaten

[BMWST?]

What a race!
Lorenzo leads !Dovi finally gets a result he truly deserves.I think the grip was less than ideal.and most were having grip issues. I was waiting for Dovi to drop back with the effects of the food poisoning.At one point i though Petrucci was going to take it,then when Vinales passed Petrucci i thought he was going to close in more on Dovi
Its a funny sport we all follow.Who wouldve thought a couple of years ago that a out of date satelite ducati would be too fast for a honda on the front straight?.And Petrucci?!I think i would have been less surprised if Pirro did that well!Petrucci seems to relish the less than ideal grip situations cos he goes well in the wet too.So i am thinking the grip wasnt quite there which explains why Lorenzo dropped back and why the other Hondas were poor?
However i think the development of the Ducati,for Lorenzo, is making it a better bike at last.

[Crasherfromwayback]

What a race!
.At one point i though Petrucci .

I thought that too. Bloody glad he didn't though, as I had coin on Dovi. Huge congrats to him, rode like a champ. Bautista gave the haters something to chew on too.

[Doppleganger]

fantastic racing in all three classes, pleased for the Ducati team and impressed with MV and Vale.

ps haven't seen any dear George comments latley

[Autech]

fantastic racing in all three classes, pleased for the Ducati team and impressed with MV and Vale.

ps haven't seen any dear George comments latley

That's cause he's doing better and better every race and it wont be long till he's whopping Rossi's butt at a few more tracks. That Ducati has the potential to dominate them all if they can get it to turn.

Which brings me to a question for my peers (you cunts):

Test riders, Ducati have Pirro and Stoner, two very capable riders who can jump on the bike and duel with the best racers in the world without any embarrassment.
From my memory Honda's test rider (can't even remember his name) usually places right at the back of the pack when he wild cards. He close but not there.
The Yamaha chap does ok usually when he wildcards.

Are Honda's struggles down to the fact they don't have a test rider capable of putting the bike to the limits that their race riders do?
Just something i was thinking about over the weekend.

[roogazza]

fantastic racing in all three classes,

ps haven't seen any dear George comments latley

Saw one on Bikeme,so there is a new one.
All about his first lap dash and then fade from there.:laugh:

[merv]

Yeah what is up with Honda - have they lost their way. Once there was a time (about 2011 or so) when they had been the first with seamless gearboxes and no other bike outdragged them out of corners. Occasionally a Ducati might pip them for top speed but they were usually right up there.

Now these last few seasons they are all over the place. Win some, but mainly lose some.

We saw Stoner crash at Suzuka due to a stuck throttle, then John McGuinness come to grief at the NW200 and Guy Martin had a big off at the Isle of Man and they are all blamed on machine problems.

Then there is the Formula 1 team which is having a shocking time, but at least in their Indy Car series they seem to have gained a speed advantage over Chevrolet.

Come on Honda, time to pull finger and make Honda great again.

[Autech]

Yeah what is up with Honda - have they lost their way. Once there was a time (about 2011 or so) when they had been the first with seamless gearboxes and no other bike outdragged them out of corners. Occasionally a Ducati might pip them for top speed but they were usually right up there.

Now these last few seasons they are all over the place. Win some, but mainly lose some.

We saw Stoner crash at Suzuka due to a stuck throttle, then John McGuinness come to grief at the NW200 and Guy Martin had a big off at the Isle of Man and they are all blamed on machine problems.

Then there is the Formula 1 team which is having a shocking time, but at least in their Indy Car series they seem to have gained a speed advantage over Chevrolet.

Come on Honda, time to pull finger and make Honda great again.

Honda had the best electrics on the grid, they're fucking clever with that shit. Now they have some feking italian windows 95 machine to work with and they're struggling. They also have a top rider that demands that the bike can be ridden very aggressively and they're trying to build it to work for him.
He's also apparently still using the 2014 chassis, so there development is being halted by their two factory riders (Dani included) binning bits that don't work for them, hence why I think a good test rider is actually what they need. Instead of:
"Hey Dani, Cal, Marc, here's a new bit we want you to try out to make you go faster" they could say:
"Hey Dani, Cal, Marc, our test rider Autech tried out these parts in the last test, with the new swing arm he felt that he could brake softer and carry more corner speed into the corner, we checked his data and it seems to be the case as he was lapping .1 faster through this section"

That's my 5cents on their issues.

[Crasherfromwayback]

:
"Hey Dani, Cal, Marc, our test rider Autech tried out these parts in the last test, with the new swing arm he felt that he could brake softer and carry more corner speed into the corner, we checked his data and it seems to be the case as he was lapping .1 faster through this section"

That's my 5cents on their issues.

Think a large part of the prob is having test riders that aren't doing the sort of times those guys can do. Things behave differently at that 100% mark vs 95 %

[malcy25]

Think a large part of the prob is having test riders that aren't doing the sort of times those guys can do. Things behave differently at that 100% mark vs 95 %

Mladin's complaint for years. he also would not change the bike in terms of set up until he had achieved the known lap time for a known set up and that circuit.

[onearmedbandit]

That Ducati has the potential to dominate them all if they can get it to turn.



So what is Dovi's excuse then?

[husaberg]

Mladin's complaint for years. he also would not change the bike in terms of set up until he had achieved the known lap time for a known set up and that circuit.

Hondas long term issue tends to revolve arround their tendency to worship HP at the expense of drivability and ease of use.
Burgess had cured them of this, but it looks like thay have came down with another case.
Yamaha have developed a complete package with Burgess that works as a whole on a variety of circuits.
The philosophy is Race circuits tend to have only one long straight where top end HP is used but for a few seconds, yet they have multiple exits to corners where drivability and the ability to get power to the pavement counts. Do the maths.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Mladin's complaint for years. he also would not change the bike in terms of set up until he had achieved the known lap time for a known set up and that circuit.

Always saw it as a huge shame he didn't get another crack at the GP circuit.

[Autech]

Think a large part of the prob is having test riders that aren't doing the sort of times those guys can do. Things behave differently at that 100% mark vs 95 %

Where as Ducati have Pirro and Casey Stoner (occasionally). Plus Gigi at the helm.


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[BMWST?]

Honda certainly seem to have problems.As i said somewhere else it would have been unthinkable a couple of years ago that MM wouldnt pass a sattelite Ducati on a LOOONG straight.The tyres are a problem for the Honda too but i think that illustrates they have gone too far down one particular path.I dont think they have a rider who can give them the feedback they actually need at the moment

[Crasherfromwayback]

Honda .I dont think they have a rider who can give them the feedback they actually need at the moment

Funnily enough, the Stoner haters that used to wank on about his lack of test rider feedback (Hi Oscar!!), have been pretty quiet of late. Both he and Pedro used to win races reg like when he was on the Repsol payroll. Now...the Ducati has won races Rossi couldn't. Fluke? Doubt it.

[malcy25]

. Now...the Ducati has won races Rossi couldn't. Fluke? Doubt it.

Some guy Gigi may have helped....

Even Stoner said himself, his win rate on the Duc was decreasing the longer he was there. I reckon they bottomed out around 2012-2014 on overall performance of the bike.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Some guy Gigi may have helped....

Even Stoner said himself, his win rate on the Duc was decreasing the longer he was there. .

Hell yes. And I think Ducati may well have been too stubborn to listen to Stoner regarding the bike back then. Toward the end, he was crashing his brains out on the thing out riding it.

[denill]

Hell yes. And I think Ducati may well have been too stubborn to listen to Stoner regarding the bike back then. Toward the end, he was crashing his brains out on the thing out riding it.

Yes, the management structure has undergone numerous changes since the Stoner era. He would never have taken on his current role with the former regime. Thinking about it, Stoner has not featured lately in his test rider role. I was looking forward to a wildcard ride.

[Autech]

Funnily enough, the Stoner haters that used to wank on about his lack of test rider feedback (Hi Oscar!!), have been pretty quiet of late. Both he and Pedro used to win races reg like when he was on the Repsol payroll. Now...the Ducati has won races Rossi couldn't. Fluke? Doubt it.

I'd say it's more Gigi, Dovi and Pirro that have made the difference at Ducati, in that order. Stoner is a brand ambassador and also someone they can wheel out to demoralise all the other full time riders at a test. Brilliant rider of course but I think he's more of a yard stick, the best ever rider on a Ducati so if he can be out there lapping at X the bike is good. He can also give feed back on the direction they've taken at the tests he doesn't attend, ie the bike feels like it can do X better now since I last rode it...

Gigi made the Aprillia in WSBK one of the best bikes on the grid, soon as he left it all went down hill. The bike shared similar characteristics to the Ducati GP bike in the way it could tear the paint off any other bike down the straight but didn't turn as well as the others. Gigi must worship horsepower above all else and I must say as a bucket racer on long tracks I agree with him 100% on building a fast bike. I can be out there riding the fucking wheels off my bike every corner but come the straights if you lose out to a faster bike you have to go and make that back up again. That's all well and good if your bike can do it but you still have to find a spot to overtake the other rider in the midfield, which if they other guy is a pro GP rider you're pretty fucked! Now they've brought into their project a rider who knows all about corner speed and smooth lines, with his assistance that bike should soon be unstoppable if they can make that magic step.

[BMWST?]

I think that ducati now know they have to change the bike,and after hiring Lorenzo it is imperative.They have got to give him a bike he can use.And they will and he will.Back in the Stoner and Rossi days they thought they knew better

[Crasherfromwayback]

I was looking forward to a wildcard ride.

Me too. But I doubt we're gonna see it.

[speights_bud]

Me too. But I doubt we're gonna see it.
At least we can accept he's not likely to do a wild card ride.

Unlike every cunt whenever he posts a photo of his Mrs on Facebook.

They all seem to think telling Stoner he has to ride again will change his mind.

[Crasherfromwayback]

At least we can accept he's not likely to do a wild card ride.

Unlike every cunt whenever he posts a photo of his Mrs on Facebook.

They all seem to think telling Stoner he has to ride again will change his mind.

Hahahahaha. Yep.

[speights_bud]

Slightly off topic, Guy Martin reflects on his latest TT crash. It also appears Honda has some issues with their superbikes, is it the sp2? I'm not up to speed with what the lads are riding, but mcguinness's threw him off as well and they're not the first to have issues from what I've heard.

Fairly shaken by the looks of it. Never seen him so quiet....

https://youtu.be/sjZXaUwYoog

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[Cosmik de Bris]

Slightly off topic, Guy Martin reflects on his latest TT crash. It also appears Honda has some issues with their superbikes, is it the sp2? I'm not up to speed with what the lads are riding, but mcguinness's threw him off as well and they're not the first to have issues from what I've heard.

Fairly shaken by the looks of it. Never seen him so quiet....

https://youtu.be/sjZXaUwYoog

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Yes, neither of them looked happy. They weren't too confident in confirming the reliability of the rebuilt bike either.

Cheers

[husaberg]

Yes, the management structure has undergone numerous changes since the Stoner era. He would never have taken on his current role with the former regime. Thinking about it, Stoner has not featured lately in his test rider role. I was looking forward to a wildcard ride.

Stoner was offer the opportunity to race a couple of races last year in place of an injured rider, he chose not to.
Who can blame him, nothing to gain in reputation if he did well, but potentially a lot to lose if he failed.

[pritch]

Can't remember exactly how he worded it, but I seem to recall Stoner saying that test riders ride with something in reserve, racers are sometimes all out. He felt that it was years since he had ridden ten tenths so he should stick to testing. Seemed sensible.

[Berries]

Slightly off topic, Guy Martin reflects on his latest TT crash. It also appears Honda has some issues with their superbikes, is it the sp2? I'm not up to speed with what the lads are riding, but mcguinness's threw him off as well and they're not the first to have issues from what I've heard.

Fairly shaken by the looks of it. Never seen him so quiet....

https://youtu.be/sjZXaUwYoog

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Don't know if anyone has posted it but Sky are showing an hour long TT programme every night of racing sometime around midnight. The night after they showed this they had an interview with Guy and his team manager (not sure of the position). Every answer was very carefully thought out and the body language was quite revealing. Steve Parish reckoned he won't race at all this week. Anyroad, wrong thread but worth watching if you get the chance.

[Autech]

So this weekend:

It's apparently going to be hot as hell, on a greasy track with very little grip to begin with. Lots of riders are complaining about the new section in the rear, funnily enough one of them that is not is Marquez, who apparently "Likes" the new layout. He's not going to be using the tyre offered at the test though so isn't too happy about that. Time will tell.

We could end up potentially with a Jerez like race I think with the Yams suffering and a few key players up the front. So going into the weekend without anything other than stipulation, reading tea leaves and a sacrificed goat I'd like to predict the following:

MM
DP
JL
AE

[Crasherfromwayback]

MM
DP
JL
AE

I snuck a few $ on Pedro @ 9.00

[Autech]

I snuck a few $ on Pedro @ 9.00

Yeah I think I may too. AE is worth a few bucks for a podium too I think, as well as JL


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[Dadpole]

If you missed FP1 then shame on you. Jack Miller turned a boring damp-track session into a real comedy - bless him.

[Crasherfromwayback]

If you missed FP1 then shame on you. Jack Miller turned a boring damp-track session into a real comedy - bless him.

I snuck a couple of bucks on him in case it rained. Pity the forecast is sweet as.

[Dadpole]

They have gone back to the old (2016) chicane because the new section is too bumpy. Watching FP2 convinced me that a NZ roading contractor had laid the tarmac.

On a positive note: Jack Miller has a head start on the rest of the field. :nya:

[ellipsis]

...that was one, very odd FP2...Yamaha is really struggling and it was very obvious...Vale looked extremely uncomfortable, as did MV...there will be a lot of angst in that camp...

[roogazza]

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/252239/1/rossi-playing-catchup-for-missing-test.html

cheers ellipsis,they'll be on it by Qual ???

[BMWST?]

they seem to struggle more than the others when the grip is bad,but i dont understand why last years bike doesnt.The only explanation is the moto 2 boys are happier with how the bikes feel

[Crasherfromwayback]

They have gone back to the old (2016) chicane because the new section is too bumpy.

While it's certainly bumpy, I think it's more the danger of bikes running on through that section and back onto the track that's the main concern. Crashed bikes as well.

[pritch]

So Jackass was right after all. Gets black flagged for repeatedly doing it wrong, then they change the track and now everybody will do it his way. in a low speed chicane if somebody dumps it, the bike stays on the track which is dangerous. There apparently was an accident so they changed it.

I think it was mat Oxley said overnight that a low grip surface suits Honda but gives Yamaha problems.

Looks like it could be, "Bye bye Barcelona"? https://motomatters.com/analysis/2017/06/09/2017_barcelona_motogp_friday_round_up.html

[EJK]

Wow... MM is having a bad weekend or what.

[Dadpole]

Wow... MM is having a bad weekend or what.

Anyone would think I had put money on him... (I didn't)

[Crasherfromwayback]

Wow... MM is having a bad weekend or what.


Anyone would think I had put money on him... (I didn't)

Best to crash in practice/qual. ;-)

[mulletman]

Bit of a crashfest all round :shit:

Interesting front row for sure, stuff all in it from 1st to 12th.

DP
JL
DP

[Dadpole]

With the exception of Pedrosa, I think this is a very hard one to pick.

DP
MM
AD

[Autech]

DP
JL
AE
MM dnf


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[BMWST?]

dunno,DP looks really good ,but rossi has quite good race pace.We all know he can do the tyre management thing quite well,trouble is he is a long way back.If MM has learnt anything from 2016 it should be that he needs to beat MV first.....Anything else is a bonus.The tyres will win

[pritch]

Very strange. The track is very slippery *and* very abrasive. You might be forgiven for thinking those were opposites but...

David Emmett explains why, and why he thinks Pedro should win. https://motomatters.com/analysis/2017/06/10/2017_barcelona_motogp_saturday_notes_a.html

[eelracing]

Ride of the day for me is Jorge,something clicked with that Duke finally.

[mulletman]

Ride of the day for me is Jorge,something clicked with that Duke finally.

And Jonas Folger showing up the Factory boys

[Crasherfromwayback]

And Jonas Folger showing up the Factory boys

Yeah. Dear Vale...both of the novices on last years bikes.

[Autech]

So didn't predict that I must say!

Nice work by Dovi. I knew when he was shadowing Dani that he had heaps more in the tank, he hit the rocket switch on the Ducati and she was all over. That Ducati is one hell of a good bike.

Poor old AE, I think he had a shot at a top 3 but she went boom.

[EJK]

With Dovi only 7 points behind World Championship it's going to be fun everyone chasing for the title!

[mulletman]

Poor old AE, I think he had a shot at a top 3 but she went boom.

Alexis Aprilla went boom

[roogazza]

Quote Vinales after Catalunya :

While Viñales made no specific mention of the tyres, a swift reading between the lines when saying “the problem is not the bike” would show where the 22-year old was directing his blame.

“I don't know what to say. I tell everyday the same, so I don't know. Our bike is good. That's what I can say. It was good in Qatar, Argentina it was good. All the races, our chassis, it's not this. The problem is not the bike.

Maybe Michelin will pull finger and make changes for Assen ? :confused:

[onearmedbandit]

Yeah. Dear Vale...both of the novices on last years bikes.

Dear Mav... :msn-wink:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Dear Mav... :msn-wink:

Yeah. Just when it looked like he could do no wrong. Made the championship more interesting anyway. I'd actually love to see Dovi win it. He had such a nasty run of terrible luck last year too.

[onearmedbandit]

Yeah. Just when it looked like he could do no wrong. Made the championship more interesting anyway. I'd actually love to see Dovi win it. He had such a nasty run of terrible luck last year too.

Agreed, would love to see Dovi take the championship.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Agreed, would love to see Dovi take the championship.

He's a real grafter, and was a bloody good sport last year even when getting cleaned out so many times!

[pritch]

Maybe Michelin will pull finger and make changes for Assen ? :confused:

I'm not totally convinced that it's tyres he's tallking about. The riders were talking about not going back to Catalunya until the problems with the track have been sorted.

All of which makes me wonder why they are bothering testing there today. Nothing much that they learn there will be relevant anywhere else?

[Autech]

Dear Maverick

Look up. See that yellow thing up high that makes your eyes hurt? Thats called the sun. When there is no clouds in the sky and the sun is up there it does magic juju which makes your Yamaha do skids. It sprinkles magic skid dust all over the track which makes you very skow n the other riders do better than you. Stop blaming Michelin, they will sue your ass if you keep making comnents to the media.

Regards
Lin

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[Cosmik de Bris]

I'm not totally convinced that it's tyres he's tallking about. The riders were talking about not going back to Catalunya until the problems with the track have been sorted.

All of which makes me wonder why they are bothering testing there today. Nothing much that they learn there will be relevant anywhere else?

Whether he's blaming the track or the tyres is irrelevant really, the Tech3 boys did better.

Cheers

[Drew]

Whether he's blaming the track or the tyres is irrelevant really, the Tech3 boys did better.

Cheers
They did, and there's no taking away from that. Except didn't one of themthose crash?

They're on last years bikes though.

[Mental Trousers]

All of which makes me wonder why they are bothering testing there today. Nothing much that they learn there will be relevant anywhere else?

I've never understood why they test at the same track the day after racing. Doesn't make any sense to me. I would've thought turning up at the next track a day earlier would achieve a whole lot more.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I've never understood why they test at the same track the day after racing. Doesn't make any sense to me. I would've thought turning up at the next track a day earlier would achieve a whole lot more.

I guess to test new fixes for probs you may've encountered over the race weekend. Work for MV.

[Drew]

Stoked for Dovi. He's always been a fantastic rider.

[pritch]

Stoked for Dovi. He's always been a fantastic rider.

Special for you Kiwi...

[pritch]

And Cal Crutchlow has a new two year Honda factory contract but will continue to ride for LCR. That's a good deal for LCR I guess, with Honda picking up the tab.

[Dadpole]

Good for LCR and Honda. LCR can now fund a second bike and Honda have a crash Test dummy that is low profile and can put in good realistic data

[Autech]

So I wonder if Miller will get a Honda contract or a VDS contract this time. According to Miller CC has been getting all the sexy bits from Honda anyways so I don't think it will make too bigger difference.

Miller should try and take the spare Aprilia seat that is about to become available (though it's shit of them to treat Lowes like that).

[speights_bud]

So I wonder if Miller will get a Honda contract or a VDS contract this time. According to Miller CC has been getting all the sexy bits from Honda anyways so I don't think it will make too bigger difference.

Miller should try and take the spare Aprilia seat that is about to become available (though it's shit of them to treat Lowes like that).

He probably has his eyes on the aforementioned possibility of a second LCR seat... VDS will need to make room for Marquez junior at some stage I'm guessing?

[Autech]

He probably has his eyes on the aforementioned possibility of a second LCR seat... VDS will need to make room for Marquez junior at some stage I'm guessing?

They'll be ditching Rabat in favour for Morbidelli at the end of the year I think. Marquez junior still aint got it, though he's 20pts behind Morbidelli atm so maybe if he beats him he'll get the seat. Took him a fuck tonne longer than Marc to be competitive in moto2 though so I don't know if he's quite as good as our hero.

[pritch]

They'll be ditching Rabat in favour for Morbidelli at the end of the year I think. Marquez junior still aint got it, though he's 20pts behind Morbidelli atm so maybe if he beats him he'll get the seat. Took him a fuck tonne longer than Marc to be competitive in moto2 though so I don't know if he's quite as good as our hero.


I was listening to the BT Sport MotoGP podcast, it's worth a listen, Colin Edwards and Keith Heuwen are in the commentary team along with experienced commentators Suzi Perry, Julian Ryder and Gavin Emmett among others. They were talking about Marquez minor and were wondering if he can win races outside Spain.

Colin Edwards was talking about things he had heard from Yamaha, and it's not like he doesn't have contacts there. He was saying that the 2017 bike still has problems with low grip tracks and with turning. It seems that if you are riding a Yamaha the 2015 version is the one to have. (The 2016 model had the fuel tank further back to change the weight distibution but was not proceeded with.) Yamaha have work to do.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yamaha have work to do.

As do Honda and Suzuki,,,and Ducati!

[onearmedbandit]

As do Honda and Suzuki,,,and Ducati!

That's not fair Pete. You forgot Aprilia...

[Crasherfromwayback]

That's not fair Pete. You forgot Aprilia...

My bad. They're certainly all having the fair share of issues at various tracks this year eh.

[Doppleganger]

That's not fair Pete. You forgot Aprilia...

All Aprilia have to do is find the fukin keys so they can start the bloody thing....

[pritch]

All Aprilia have to do is find the fukin keys so they can start the bloody thing....

They are hinting at rider a change but I don't think that'll solve their problem if the bike can't make it to the finish line. Suzuki are also dropping hints about being dissatisfied with iannone's progress.

As Pete said they all have work to do, but Yamaha took a step backwards with their 2017 model so they have more than they should.

[Autech]

They are hinting at rider a change but I don't think that'll solve their problem if the bike can't make it to the finish line. Suzuki are also dropping hints about being dissatisfied with iannone's progress.

As Pete said they all have work to do, but Yamaha took a step backwards with their 2017 model so they have more than they should.

The few rookies that have entered the championship this year are being over shadowed by the 2 that went onto the Yamaha. I have no doubt that Rins and Lowes would be equally competitive as Folger and Zarco given that bike to ride.

Aleix Espagaro is angry about the comments made about Lowes, reckons they need to show the man more respect as they're only mid way through his debut season. Top guy! Really hope he gets a podium this year on a Aprillia, he got 3rd in Assen a few years ago and the crappy CRT bike so I reckon its possible given the right conditions.

Suzuki fucked up big time when they dropped both their riders, they have no way of knowing if they've gone backwards with their development (like Yamaha) as none of their data will match. Iannone doesn't strike me as much of an engineering type and Rins has only raced one race, he'll be good I'm sure though as he's stood out as a real talent ever since he entered the championship, as good as Maverick I reckon given the time.

[Mental Trousers]

Yamaha have work to do.

As do Honda and Suzuki,,,and Ducati!

That's not fair Pete. You forgot Aprilia...

You both forgot KTM. They're pouring a ton of work and parts into their MotoGP effort.

[Autech]

You both forgot KTM. They're pouring a ton of work and parts into their MotoGP effort.

Yup and they have a certain Portuguese rider call Olivera ready to jump on board in a few years time when it's nice n competitive. Exciting prospect for me!

[roogazza]

https://motomatters.com/blog_entry/2017/06/14/guest_blog_mat_oxley_is_rossi_s_title.html

[merv]

Ducati definitely kept the right bloke with Dovi.

http://www.sportrider.com/motogp-suzuki-definitely-not-happy-with-iannone?src=SOC&dom=fb

[Autech]

Ducati definitely kept the right bloke with Dovi.

http://www.sportrider.com/motogp-suzuki-definitely-not-happy-with-iannone?src=SOC&dom=fb

Silly call by Suzuki bringing that playboy into the fray. Great rider, but you do wonder how much of his success on the Duc (if you can call crashing out every 5 seconds success) was brought off the back of Dovi's data...

Time will tell, but I'm guessing they're looking at Aleix's results on the Aprilia and thinking "Oh fuck what did we do"?

[roogazza]

Right O , ASSEN it is !
I hope we get a decent race without mickey mouse tyres causing problems. :confused:

(and a dry race !!!). :banana:

[ellipsis]

Right O , ASSEN it is !
I hope we get a decent race without mickey mouse tyres causing problems. :confused:

(and a dry race !!!). :banana:


...that would be the foremost thought in most fans and riders minds this week, I would think...here's hoping...

[Autech]

I want rain! Miller for the win.

[pritch]

I want rain! Miller for the win.

Yes the weather is Assen is famous for being unpredictable, and you are not the first to mention another win for Miller. That wouldn't piss me off at all and could be good for the championship.

Be good for Miller too.

[mulletman]

Sylvain Guintoli talking about the GSX-RR VS GSXR

https://www.asphaltandrubber.com/motogp/sylvain-guintoli-ecstar-suzuki-interview-catalunya/#more-137942

[mulletman]

4 mins in , FP1 and red flagged...looks like Dovis machine spat oil and has parked up the bike,

[eelracing]

That folks is the definition of a racers racer...

[EJK]

Amazing race. Bet Gigi is thinking "Damn I should have signed Petrucci instead of Lorenzo!"

[ellipsis]

That folks is the definition of a racers racer...


...fuck yeah...heart still in mouth...

[speights_bud]

Been finding it real hard to support Crutchlow in the last couple of years, MM is usually my fav pick. But I have to say I wanted to see 35 pull it off over the line in the heat of the moment.

Given myself quite a complex now, usually I'm after MM for the win and then I win a second time if Crutchlow finishes the race....

[mulletman]

All 3 classes have done racing proud with lots of balls out overtakes :shit::clap:

[roogazza]

VALENTINO !! :banana::banana::banana:331472

[Autech]

This tyre situation I am finally going to admit is fucked... :weird:Props to Dani for even finishing the race, and what a brilliant race it was!
WD to Rossi, have a feeling that if a certain Rins didn't bodge up Petrux though we might have seen a crying Italian on the top step after getting his first win... So as much as I liked seeing Rossi win (as did my TAB account) I would have rather seen Petrux have a fair crack on the last lap.

Dovi champion 2017?

[Drew]

Marquez short cutted that final chicane to snatch the podium.

Fucking cool race.

Vinales is so much like Lorenzo in his first season on the Yamaha.

[Dadpole]

I have just finished watching the Moto2 race. Fark - that makes it another meeting where each race was a standout.

And I am properly chuffed to see Rossi get a win. Nice and tight on the standings now. (Go Dovi)

[Crasherfromwayback]

VALENTINO !! :banana::banana::banana:331472

Yep. Awesome display from the Old Boy.

[ecko_nzed]

Young Rins looked none to pleased with Pettrucci after the race. Petrucci have him a good serve while trying to get close to Vale on the last lap. Even though there were no blue flags being waved at the back markers, you would have thought Rins would have taken a look behind after Valentino came past.

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[pritch]

Random thoughts:

Policeman Petrucci deserves a factory ride. Preferably on a Ducati. He complained about the blue flag not being shown, but possibly the marshals are out of practice. There seemed to be more lapped riders than usual - one of whom was #99.

Marquez again showed his new 'grown up' attitude.

Dovizioso done good.

Crutchlow missed the podium, but then again, fourth isn't too bad for a "crash test dummy". :innocent:

We now have a really interesting championship.

Congratulations/comiserations as appropriate, to anyone lucky enough to have a wife with better judgement than they showed themselves. :innocent:

BTSport mentioned the possibility that Rossi may have gone back to the 2016 chassis. Sachsenring may confirm that - or not...

Anyone who is bored really isn't interested.

I have to go now, I'm going to watch the race again.

[Drew]

Petrucci lapping Lorenzo is the highlight.

[ecko_nzed]

The riders that came in and swapped to a wet bike, struck me as a bit early and overly desperate?

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[Dadpole]

Crutchlow missed the podium, but then again, fourth isn't too bad for a "crash test dummy". :innocent:

'Chequered Flag' on BTSport had a (too short) post-race with Crutchlow covering the MM/Dovi battle. He was a happy chap but still managed to get in a dig about his critics.:motu:

[BMWST?]

i been watching Motogp on tv for about as long as it has been available.I think that was the best three races in one weekend ever!

[george formby]

i been watching Motogp on tv for about as long as it has been available.I think that was the best three races in one weekend ever!
Wow. Watched all 3 races this evening and I doubted the ante could be increased across the racing. Guess again. Wow.

Stoked for Rossi, a renaissance please.

I think Morbidelli may be an Alien in waiting.

Moto 3:shit:

Oh, and qualifying. Feck me.

[Dadpole]

Qualifying for Moto3 is a must-watch. Comedy, silliness, fast & slow races. It has it all...:lol:

[pritch]

I know some of you don't like it, but the latest "Dear George" was a good one. I was thinking that George himself may not be aware of it since it originates from Australia, but I see one of the Brit commentators recommending it, so people up there know about it.

Further comments on Rossi's new frame suggest it is a hybrid 2016/2017 job. Be interesting to see how he goes at the Sachsenring which tends to favour the Honda riders.

Meanwhile this: http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opinion/motogp/i-m-almost-speechless

[Autech]

I know some of you don't like it, but the latest "Dear George" was a good one. I was thinking that George himself may not be aware of it since it originates from Australia, but I see one of the Brit commentators recommending it, so people up there know about it.

Further comments on Rossi's new frame suggest it is a hybrid 2016/2017 job. Be interesting to see how he goes at the Sachsenring which tends to favour the Honda riders.

Meanwhile this: http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opinion/motogp/i-m-almost-speechless

I take it Oxley is fanboi? "Only 2 riders kept pushing"? Erm, Dovi and Crutchlow just teleport to the front eh? Miller magic his way to 6th?

Rossi won a brilliant race yes, but fuck me do the pundits prat on about him whenever he wins a race :brick: .

I wasn't the slightest surprised he won that race, he has the bike and the ablility to manage races like a baws and that's why when I saw his quali position I knew he was the dude to back for the win. If Rossi isn't far off the pace on a Friday or Sat he'll be faster on Sunday as he's a racers racer and races to race. MV seems to be a practice-quali racer, I'm the fastest therefore I should win all the time, he's learning though so lookout.

[Mental Trousers]

Policeman Petrucci deserves a factory ride. Preferably on a Ducati. He complained about the blue flag not being shown, but possibly the marshals are out of practice. There seemed to be more lapped riders than usual - one of whom was #99

All of those that got lapped had gone into the pits and swapped to bikes with wets on. The rain didn't materialize so the tyres were rapidly turning to shit and they were 5+ seconds a lap slower as well as the time it takes to swaps bikes.

[george formby]

Will BMW enter Motogp? In the next few years..

Just a thought. Recurring, as I watched this MCN vid. (https://youtu.be/8FS5GGnAgvw) The HP4 racing, carbon, really fast version.

I'm impressed with the manufacturing technology, I would like to see BMW's idea of a MotoGP bike.

Interesting thought.

[Autech]

So this weekend... Who we thinking, anyone dumb enough? This time it should be a bit safer to predict I think.
DP, MM and CC all run well there and it's apparently a Honda track... Could we see a locked down podium, cue Nick Harris voice, for the very very first time in a long long timeeee....

[Dadpole]

I will let you know after FP1

New surface - new tyres - dodgy weather - new bikes (for some)...:wait:

[Autech]

I will let you know after FP1

New surface - new tyres - dodgy weather - new bikes (for some)...:wait:

I think that now Rossi has a chassis that is turning for him he'll start giving it to Maverick more.

I'm going to get my bets in early I think, hunch tells me who is going to win so need to play it out while the odds are good.

[Drew]

I think that now Rossi has a chassis that is turning for him he'll start giving it to Maverick more.

I'm going to get my bets in early I think, hunch tells me who is going to win so need to play it out while the odds are good.
I personally think Vinales hasn't finished finding the ground with his face. Otherwise he'd wrap the championship up with two rounds to go.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Smart money is on MM. He'll do an Austin on their asses. He owns this place too.

[Autech]

I personally think Vinales hasn't finished finding the ground with his face. Otherwise he'd wrap the championship up with two rounds to go.

Yeah I think he's got the talent (obviously from his results) I just think he needs to realise that he's not the only one out there with talent.
It'd be really easy to win a race if the other guys went, oh Mavericks been fastest in all the practice sessions, I might as well just let him win as he's gods gift to racing.
His comments after races have given a good insight into his nature I think, I wouldn't call it ego I just sincerely think he's got the attitude that he's got the best package and pace therefore why didn't I win? He then says its the tyres or some voodo magic rather than an error by himself or his team. He also doesn't comprehend how track temp can change bikes performance so dramatically.
Until he self reflects a bit more and stops blaming other shit he'll continue to have crashes.

[steveyb]

Yeah I think he's got the talent (obviously from his results) I just think he needs to realise that he's not the only one out there with talent.
It'd be really easy to win a race if the other guys went, oh Mavericks been fastest in all the practice sessions, I might as well just let him win as he's gods gift to racing.
His comments after races have given a good insight into his nature I think, I wouldn't call it ego I just sincerely think he's got the attitude that he's got the best package and pace therefore why didn't I win? He then says its the tyres or some voodo magic rather than an error by himself or his team. He also doesn't comprehend how track temp can change bikes performance so dramatically.
Until he self reflects a bit more and stops blaming other shit he'll continue to have crashes.

The Spartan sword keeps spreading Yellow Puta Mamba butter on his tyres!

[pritch]

I personally think Vinales hasn't finished finding the ground with his face. Otherwise he'd wrap the championship up with two rounds to go.

The podcast I listened to most recently, the Paddock Pass podcast IIRC - so many podcasts, so little time - was talking about the Yamaha frame situation. Some suspect it is last year's, others think it a new hybrid. Nobody who actually knows will say. Whatever it is, Rossi is happy but Vinales is making no attempt to hide the fact that he is completely pissed off.

MV uses a high corner speed technique, not unlike Lorenzo, Rossi is more the last of the late brakers. Be nice if Yamaha could give each of them a chassis they like, they have frames that suit each of them now.

Last year when DP and MM rejected the new Honda frame, Honda asked CC to persist with it. He did and now the Honda riders all have the same frame, apparently a development of that frame - and CC has a works contract.

There was also discussion of the methodology employed within the Ducati factory team. It's normal for the highest ranked rider in the team to be left alone to sort his settings during practice. The number two rider often becomes a test rider, trying an assortment of new parts and in consequence having less time to work on a consistent setting. I don't know if George will be enjoying that.

Looking forward to the weekend. Dorna are currently offering their video subscription 39% off, if it drops to 50% afer the next race I may invest.

[BMWST?]

So this weekend... Who we thinking, anyone dumb enough? This time it should be a bit safer to predict I think.
DP, MM and CC all run well there and it's apparently a Honda track... Could we see a locked down podium, cue Nick Harris voice, for the very very first time in a long long timeeee....
its been newlty resealed....who knows what that will bring?

[Crasherfromwayback]

its been newlty resealed....who knows what that will bring?

MM and Pedro giving them all the learn.

[Autech]

MM and Pedro giving them all the learn.

That's what I am thinking, I just can't decide if my boi has the good with the harder carcus tyre to learn MM.

$9 odds though...

[roogazza]

I'll remain loyal and hope the new surface gets the Yamahas up there.

But more than that, No bloody flag to flag ! Either pissing Wet or Dry as a bastard please !<_<

[pritch]

It's reported that MV and VR both have one each of the different new and old chassis. (However you wish to describe those.) Knowing that Rossi doesn't like one and Vinales hates the other, I'm at a loss to understand why they didn't just give them both the frames they prefer. Doing it this way will be a real fuck up if they have to change bikes during the race if it goes flag to flag.

Guess I never would've made a team manager. :rolleyes:

[pritch]

https://motomatters.com/results/2017/06/30/2017_sachsenring_motogp_fp1_result.html

[BMWST?]

FP2 Motomatters .its a wee bit mixed up (https://motomatters.com/results/2017/06/30/2017_sachsenring_motogp_fp2_result.html)

[roogazza]

CC doesn't like turn 11 !
I thought he would have liked a spot where if you're a kamakasi you could make gains ?
He'll be doing a rain dance to improve his chances.
Hondas looking good so far.
Yamaha only having one good bike each for VR and MV. (strange ?). :confused:

[mulletman]

CC doesn't like turn 11 !


Turn 11 destroyed Reddings Ducati and AIs Suzuki ended up upside down buried with both wheels facing up.

[Crasherfromwayback]

New surface is as grippy as all fuck in the wet. Some amazing times being done.

http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2017/06/30/riders-talk-about-the-new-surface-at-the-sachsenring/233791

[Autech]

New surface is as grippy as all fuck in the wet. Some amazing times being done.

http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2017/06/30/riders-talk-about-the-new-surface-at-the-sachsenring/233791
Sure is they looked like they were riding in the dry in quali. German engineering eh?

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[eelracing]

Very entertaining race,no surprises in the winner but 2nd rode a blinder.
Going into the break with the top four covered by 10 points is unprecedented but I think the champ has just layed down the second half season gauntlet.

[Crasherfromwayback]

8 from 8. Too good. Another place where it would seem he can't be beat. Think the second half of the season may get worse for the rest of them.

Dear Vale...

"There’s no way that Valentino Rossi can be happy tonight–he was soundly beaten by his teammate and was the third Yamaha to cross the finish line."

[roogazza]

8 from 8. Too good. Another place where it would seem he can't be beat. Think the second half of the season may get worse for the rest of them.

Hard to bet against that P. Besides being so talented he seems to be tempering that and using his head.
CC is saying a light was coming on,to warn of high temps in his front Medium .
How does that work ? Sensor in the valve ??

[Crasherfromwayback]

Hard to bet against that P. Besides being so talented he seems to be tempering that and using his head.
CC is saying a light was coming on,to warn of high temps in his front Medium .
How does that work ? Sensor in the valve ??

Yeah. Hard to believe it's only the second race he's won this year. Many more titles will come with that sort of calm head. Old CC always seem to have warning lights coming on... :msn-wink:

[Autech]

Jonas Fucking Folger eh? Brilliant riding he sure had some pace through the faster corners. Ballsy riding, Herve looks like he's scored the best two riders since he had CC and AD in the team. Promising rookies on some great bikes.

Fucking weird how Dani's tyre dropped that quickly, makes you wonder if there is some truth in the rumours of quality issues with Mitch, you'd never get Dani saying that though. Can't help but wonder if the carcus had stayed soft... Oh well it's a long season and one DNF from MM with Dani on the top step and it'd be 5 riders within 10 points, brilliant!

All 3 races were brilliant, I actually watched the Moto2 race and had forgotten that a few of my Moto3 fav's have been up there strutting their stuff. Olivera is looking like a sure thing for the KTM Motogp bike in a few years time and Binder wasn't doing too badly either.

Sam Lowes DNF again? That's not the way to keep your seat fella

[BMWST?]

Poor Sam Lowes.He must be feeling the pressure put upon him by his uncaring bosses.WTF ?Why else would you crash .Surely its better if you finish and can undersatnd how to ride those tyres.That seems to be the secret.Ride on the edge but no more.Folger was bloody fast up around the top of the circuit down to 12
Olivera was very impressive too,i wounder what would have happened if he gone straight past Morbidelli.Gutted for Tom.

[husaberg]

8 from 8. Too good. Another place where it would seem he can't be beat. Think the second half of the season may get worse for the rest of them.

Dear Vale...

"There’s no way that Valentino Rossi can be happy tonight–he was soundly beaten by his teammate and was the third Yamaha to cross the finish line."

I would say he still be more pissed he fell off in france because with that second place he threw away, Would have had him still leading the points table even with this weekends result.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I would say he still be more pissed he fell off in france because with that second place he threw away, Would have had him still leading the points table even with this weekends result.

Yeah...but they've all had dnf's. Apart from Dovi, which is great after his last year of being cleaned out all the time.

[husaberg]

Yeah...but they've all had dnf's. Apart from Dovi, which is great after his last year of being cleaned out all the time.

Yeah but how many threw it away going for the win on the last lap this season when it was pretty irelevent, other than for his ego, I'd say that will haunt him.
It needs to be remembered in the last 21 seasons he has only finished lower than 3rd on the points table 5 times. one of those was his rookie year. two on the Ducati and his 4th on 2013.

[Crasherfromwayback]

It needs to be remembered in the last 21 seasons he has only finished lower than 3rd on the points table 5 times. one of those was his rookie year. two on the Ducati and his 4th on 2013.

Aye. I think only a blind man would argue he's not fucking amzing. But, I still don't think he'll win a 10th, and I still think his nine titles will be beaten. Prob by MM at this rate. I thought Mav was gonna fuck off and smoke them all this season. But the cracks have appeared.

[BMWST?]

Aye. I think only a blind man would argue he's not fucking amzing. But, I still don't think he'll win a 10th, and I still think his nine titles will be beaten. Prob by MM at this rate. I thought Mav was gonna fuck off and smoke them all this season. But the cracks have appeared.
I still got a lot of time for MV If things are good it seems he is as fast as anyone.He has just got to calm down a bit and try to qualfy a bit better .He has very high expectations of himself and like another young fella thinks everyone should stay outa his way!

[husaberg]

Aye. I think only a blind man would argue he's not fucking amzing. But, I still don't think he'll win a 10th, and I still think his nine titles will be beaten. Prob by MM at this rate. I thought Mav was gonna fuck off and smoke them all this season. But the cracks have appeared.

Well If he throws it away chasing 5 points instead of twenty he certainly won't win another.
Even if MM somehow wins ten he still won't go anywhere near Vales tally of wins or his immense global popularity.
Theres a reason Vale is rated along with Hailwood and Ago.
Maybe the Yamaha is not as good as people expect it to be. they have had a lot of success and Honda will likely be far hungier as a result.
But if MM wants to be regarded as a all time great he needs to move to another team and then still continue to win. Or decimate the oposition, ala Doohan.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Even if MM somehow wins ten he still won't go anywhere near Vales tally of wins

But if MM wants to be regarded as a all time great he needs to move to another team and then still continue to win. Or decimate the oposition, ala Doohan.

Ummm..how do you work that out? He's already smashed all sorts of records?

And who really cares about changing teams that much? Winning titles for Honda when it's quite obviously not the best bike is a better feat in my opinion. And decimate the opposition? Have you even been watching the last few seasons?

[husaberg]

Ummm..how do you work that out? He's already smashed all sorts of records?

And who really cares about changing teams that much? Winning titles for Honda when it's quite obviously not the best bike is a better feat in my opinion. And decimate the opposition? Have you even been watching the last few seasons?

I certainly have, it didn't look like decimation. 12 wins in three years, Doohan won every race bar 3 in 97 he was second in 2 and DNF one. thats decimation.
What makes you think the Honda is not the best bike.
Changing teams shows guts, it also proves it not the bike.
For instance Jorge is still tha same rider as last year, only the results on the ducati would make you wonder if he was...............

[Crasherfromwayback]

I certainly have, it didn't look like decimation. 12 wins in three years ..

You're obviously not talking about MM then. I was.

[Crasherfromwayback]

What makes you think the Honda is not the best bike.
..

Oh...and maybe because hardly any cunt has won fuck all on it in the last few seasons? And newbies can come into the class on the Yamaha and do so well? If you seriously want to tell me the Honda is the best package and has been the whole time MM has been with them...you need to stay of the bong cabbage.

[Reckless]

Maybe the Yamaha is not as good as people expect it to be.

Nail on the head that statement. Combined with MM freakish ability on the Honda.
I think the Yammy 2016 is better as Zarco Now Folga are demonstrating.
Damn good championship tho! 4 riders 10 points apart can't complain :)

Rossi: No matter what the numbers end up being Rossi will be the goat of our time just because he's Rossi.
Might even be still in a top team at 40, bloody unheard of in modern times. Then sometime after that the young guns will have shot him down and he'll be running the Sky team.

Racing in all classes has been top notch :)

Month off now wtf thats not on :(

[husaberg]

You're obviously not talking about MM then. I was.

From start of 2015 to now, ie tha last 3 years he has only won 12 races ..........
here is MM's
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_M%C3%A1rquez
here is Doohans record
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mick_Doohan


Oh...and maybe because hardly any cunt has won fuck all on it in the last few seasons? And newbies can come into the class on the Yamaha and do so well? If you seriously want to tell me the Honda is the best package and has been the whole time MM has been with them...you need to stay of the bong cabbage.
Yamaha philosophy has been to build bikes that are easy to ride with smooth power that are easy on tires.
Honda builds missles.
As for the other Honda riders, pretty sure Pedro would have the same inconsistant results on any bike.
How he keeps his works ride, i would say has more to do with sponsorship politics than with talent or results.
IMO Stick Viñales or Dovi on a Honda and there would be day light to second place.

[Moise]

MM looked slightly buggered during the post race interview, which I've never seen before. I'd say he had to work hard for that win.

This might be a key moment in the championship. MM might not win many more races, but you can bet he'll always be in the top 3 or 4. I can't see any of the others doing that.

Very impressive ride from Folger. Those 2 were in a class of their own, although Dani looked fast until his rear tyre went weird.



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[Crasherfromwayback]

From start of 2015 to now, ie tha last 3 years he has only won 12 races ..........
here is MM's
.

Ummmm...you're comparing MM's last three seasons, yet Rossi's entire career? Why don't you compare the records set by both? What about percentages of Moto GP races started vs wins? Talk about cherry picking to suit an agenda.

[Crasherfromwayback]

From start of 2015 to now, ie tha last 3 years he has only won 12 races ..........
.

Because I know you love stats.

Records


Most pole positions in Moto2 Class: 14 (shared with Pol Espargaró and Johann Zarco)
Most podium finishes in Moto2 Class: 25
Most podium finishes in a single season in Moto2 Class: 14
Most wins in Moto2 Class: 16
Most wins in a single season in Moto2 Class: 9
Fastest crash in MotoGP: 209 mph (336 km/h) (2nd practice Mugello 2013)[101]
Youngest pole position in Premier Class: 20 years, 62 days (COTA USA 2013)[1]
Youngest winner in Premier Class: 20 years, 63 days (COTA USA 2013)[1]
Youngest rider to take successive podium positions in the Premier Class: 20 years, 63 days (Qatar, COTA USA 2013)[1]
Youngest rider to take a fastest lap in the Premier Class: 20 years, 49 days (Qatar 2013)[1]
4 successive podium positions in first 4 Premier Class Grands Prix (shared with Max Biaggi)[1]
Most wins as a teenager in all classes: 26
Youngest Spanish rider to take a pole position: 16 years, 88 days (France 2009)
Most pole positions in a season of 125cc World Championship: 12
Youngest rider to win 5 successive Grands Prix: (Mugello, Silverstone, Assen, Barcelona, Sachsenring 2010)
Youngest rider to lead the Premier Class championship: 20 years, 63 days (COTA USA 2013)[1]
Youngest rider to win at least 1 race in 3 classes of GP Racing
Márquez won in Germany for the fourth successive year in 2013 across three different classes; in 2010 he was competing in the 125 class, in 2011 and 2012 the Moto2 class and in 2013 in MotoGP. He is the first rider of the modern era to win at the same circuit for four successive years across three different classes. Also adding a 5th, 6th ,7th and 8th consecutive German GP win in the MotoGP class in 2014, 2015 , 2016 and 2017.
First/only rookie to win at Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca.
Youngest rider to win 4 races back to back in Premier Class: 20 years, 189 days (Germany-USA-Indianapolis-Czech Republic 2013)[1]
First rookie to win 4 races back to back in Premier Class: (Germany-USA-Indianapolis-Czech Republic 2013)[1]
Youngest rider to set fastest times in every session from a Premier Class GP Weekend: (Indianapolis 2013)
Most wins as a rookie in Premier Class: 6[1]
Most pole positions as a rookie in Premier Class: 9[1]
Most podium finishes in rookie season of Premier Class: 16[1]
Most podium finishes in single season of Premier Class: 16 (Shared with Valentino Rossi, Casey Stoner & Jorge Lorenzo)
Most points scored as a rookie in Premier Class: 334[1]
Youngest rider to take back to back pole positions in Premier Class (Silverstone-Misano 2013)
Youngest rider to take four pole positions in a row in Premier Class (Silverstone-Misano-Aragon-Malaysia 2013)
First rookie to take 4 consecutive pole positions in Premier Class
Youngest rider to win the title in Premier Class: 20 years, 266 days[1]
First rider to win Intermediate Class and Premier Class titles back to back
2nd rookie to win Premier Class title (after Kenny Roberts in 1978)
First rider in 4 stroke MotoGP (2002–) era to win first 2 races of a season from Pole Position (Qatar-USA 2014)
First rider in 4 stroke MotoGP (2002–) era to win first 3 races of a season from Pole Position (Qatar-USA-Argentina 2014)
First rider in 4 stroke MotoGP (2002–) era to win first 4 races of a season from Pole Position (Qatar-USA-Argentina-Spain 2014)
First rider in 4 stroke MotoGP (2002–) era to win first 5 races of a season from Pole Position (Qatar-USA-Argentina-Spain-France 2014)
First rider in 4 stroke MotoGP (2002–) era to win first 6 races of a season from Pole Position (Qatar-USA-Argentina-Spain-France-Italy 2014)
First rider in 4 stroke MotoGP (2002–) era to win first 7 races of a season (Qatar-USA-Argentina-Spain-France-Italy-Catalunya 2014)
First rider in 4 stroke MotoGP (2002–) era to win first 8 races of a season (Qatar-USA-Argentina-Spain-France-Italy-Catalunya-Netherlands 2014)
First rider in 4 stroke MotoGP (2002–) era to win first 9 races of a season (Qatar-USA-Argentina-Spain-France-Italy-Catalunya-Netherlands-Germany 2014)
First rider in 4 stroke MotoGP (2002–) era to win first 10 races of a season (Qatar-USA-Argentina-Spain-France-Italy-Catalunya-Netherlands-Germany-Indianapolis 2014)
Most Pole Positions from Start Of Season in 4 Stroke MotoGP (2002–) era: 6
Youngest Rider to win 5 races in a row in Premier Class: 21 years, 90 days
Youngest Rider to win 6 races in a row in Premier Class: 21 years, 104 days
Youngest Rider to win 7 races in a row in Premier Class: 21 years, 118 days
Youngest Rider to win 8 races in a row in Premier Class: 21 years, 131 days
Youngest Rider to win 9 races in a row in Premier Class: 21 years, 146 days
Youngest Rider to win 10 races in a row in Premier Class: 21 years, 174 days
Youngest Rider to win 11 races in a single season in Premier Class: 21 years, 205 days
Only rider in 4 stroke MotoGP (2002–) era to win 6 successive Premier Class races from Pole
Most points scored in First 10 races of Premier Class season: 250
Most Consecutive race wins in Premier Class in 4 Stroke MotoGP (2002–) era: 10
Most Consecutive race wins in a single Premier Class season (1949–) era: 10 (Shared with Mick Doohan and Giacomo Agostini)
Youngest rider to win back to back championships in Premier Class: 21 years, 237 days
Only Honda rider to clinch Premier Class championship at Honda's Motegi circuit
Only Spanish rider to win 2 titles back to back in Premier Class
Youngest rider to take 12 Pole positions in a single season in Premier Class: 21 years, 243 days
Only rider to take 13 Pole positions in a single season in Premier Class
Youngest rider to win 12 races in a single season: 21 years, 251 days
Most Races won in a single season in Premier Class: 13
One of only pair of brothers to win Grand Prix motorcycle racing world championships, with Álex Márquez[102]
Most Fastest laps in a MotoGP season: 12 (shared with Valentino Rossi)
Most wins (consecutive from 2013 to 2017 ) at the Circuit of the Americas: 5[71]
Most consecutive pole positions at the Circuit of the Americas : 5
First/Only Rider in history to win 8 consecutive times in the same circuit
Most consecutive wins at Sachsenring Circuit: 8
Most consecutive pole positions at Sachsenring Circuit: 8
Most consecutive wins at Indianapolis Circuit: 5
Youngest rider in the history of world motorcycling to get 50 wins: 22 years, 243 days
Most Pole Positions in history of motorcycling ever: 68
Youngest rider to get 5 World Championship Titles (23 years and 242 days)
Youngest rider to get 3 World Championship Titles in MotoGp Premier Class (23 years and 242 days)

You're right. He's got fuck all records to his name.

[Moise]

It's easy to get carried away with stats, but greatness is more then just how many races and championships you win.

Schumacher set all sorts of records in F1, but for a number of years from when Hakinnen retired until Alonso came along, he had no serious opposition.

You can see something similar in Rossi's career. With all respect to Nicky Hayden, there was no one to seriously challenge Rossi until Stoner came along.

Marquez however is now racing in the most competitive and unpredictable premier motorsport class ever. If he continues to win championships consistently over the next few seasons, then that will be something very special.

Here's a stat Rossi fans never mention - most seasons in MotoGP by a multiple world champion without winning a championship. Seven and counting ...

Shit, we'll miss him though. Le Mans and Assen this year were epic.

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[Autech]

From start of 2015 to now, ie tha last 3 years he has only won 12 races ..........
here is MM's
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_M%C3%A1rquez
here is Doohans record
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mick_Doohan



As for the other Honda riders, pretty sure Pedro would have the same inconsistant results on any bike.
How he keeps his works ride, i would say has more to do with sponsorship politics than with talent or results.
IMO Stick Viñales or Dovi on a Honda and there would be day light to second place.

Haha, fuck off. Dovi used to have a Honda remember but someone faster was always ahead of him... Pedrosa.
And as for results, look up career stats if you're keen on throwing them around and a certain Pedrosa will be up there ahead of all your old fart heros. Rant over.

Here's one to piss off Crasher, I reckon if MM was on the Yamaha he'd get his butt kicked. He has to ride in a certain way which the Honda does for him, he's shown no ability ever to adapt his riding style since he's got on the Honda, he's kept his wild Moto2 styles and honed them to perfection. If he jumped on the Ducati he'd be gone in the distance though for sure.

Whoever wins this year in the current climate will be the best rider we've ever seen, shits fucking close!

They're all awesome, whoever is awesomer is down to your own bias. For example if they were all to jump on identical 250's who do you think would win?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Here's one to piss off Crasher, I reckon if MM was on the Yamaha he'd get his butt kicked.

Doesn't piss me off in the slightest mate. I tend to agree.

[Dadpole]

Whoever wins this year in the current climate will be the best rider we've ever seen, shits fucking close!

OR, whoever wins rode most conservatively, or was the luckiest, or was the least conspired against. With things this close, the smallest thing can turn a championship.

At least we will have something to argue about for the next four weeks. Go Dovi....

[Autech]

Doesn't piss me off in the slightest mate. I tend to agree.

:headbang: Still doesn't mean he's not one of the best riders we have ever seen though. A quick look to see how his brother is coping compared to him shows how fucking good he really is. Only reason I fell off his fanwagon was his antics in Moto2 where he was running pricks off the track. That and crashing into my golden boy won him no favours.

He'll beat Rossi's stats, of that I'm sure. Only concern I have in regards to that is his method of crashing before the race to find the limits, one day one of those little crashes is going to hurt him a heck of a lot. His Mum must have fucked a leprechaun though as his luck is beyond belief, not getting injured is something he shares with Rossi. One of his major strengths seems to be his teams trust and love of him, their elation with him is sensational to watch and he brings them results. That can't be overlooked when looking at his performances.

DP for champion 2017.

KTM will move up Olivera in the next few years to sit alongside either Pol Espagaro or Zarco, that's my guess anyways.

[Doppleganger]

If only Vale had stayed on in France Aye ;-)

[pritch]

Here's one to piss off Crasher,

I'm not so sure. Look at the problem the Yamaha factory riders are having with their two latest frames, one suits MV, one suits Rossi. There are some interesting if vague comments from Folger and Vinales in David Emmett's Sachsenring roundup: https://motomatters.com/analysis/2017/07/03/2017_sachsenring_motogp_round_up_on.html

Pedro is very fortunate to have his ride. With Marquez arriving to partner Stoner there would have been no place for Pedro. Then to the surprise of everyone including probably Honda, Stoner announced his retirement leaving a seat vacant. Still, I've sorta got used to Pedro being there and with MM being who he is there has been no urgent need for a replacement.

[Autech]

OR, whoever wins rode most conservatively, or was the luckiest, or was the least conspired against. With things this close, the smallest thing can turn a championship.

At least we will have something to argue about for the next four weeks. Go Dovi....



Pedro is very fortunate to have his ride. With Marquez arriving to partner Stoner there would have been no place for Pedro. Then to the surprise of everyone including probably Honda, Stoner announced his retirement leaving a seat vacant. Still, I've sorta got used to Pedro being there and with MM being who he is there has been no urgent need for a replacement.

Lets play the stats game to see why he has his seat:

All stats are taking into account only the premier class and broken down to bite sized chunks for easy digestion.

Pedrosa:
Won: 1 out 6.3
Podium: 1 out of 1.76

Rossi:
Won: 1 out of 3.34
Podium: 1 out of 1.57

Marquez's stats for the prem class:
Won 1 out of 2.6
Podium: 1 out of 1.4

Disclaimer: my math may be totally wrong here.

Rossi's stats are mental when you think about it, granted he did get a fairly easy run for competition for a while there he's been out there smashing it for a long time, 297 starts in the premier class...

Marquez's are very impressive considering he's had to beat Rossi, Lorenzo and Dani. He's on track though if he can keep it up.

Dani's show that he's had some good years and some bad but even though his luck is shit his bike is in front of the camera on the podium and he's been close to winning the championship so many times that they've kept him. Miller, Crutchlow and Rabat couldn't do what he does.
Try as I might I can't find anything online pointing to Marquez replacing him. Just this which says who Honda thought would win in 13:
https://www.redbull.com/nz-en/marquez-will-compete-with-pedrosa-and-lorenzo
Considering some of his most competitive years were around then I can't see where you get that from. If anything he was lucky to keep his seat 2014 and 15 after his arm pump issues, yet Honda kept him on board for another few years yet as he's there man and they'd rather have him on a Honda than on another factory machine giving Marquez hell (imagine if he'd grabbed Vinales seat when he was messing them about...). He's a championship contender once again this year after all after a few years out of it, Dani is the man, don't diss him bro!

[husaberg]

Because I know you love stats.


Youngest Spanish rider to take a pole position: 16 years, 88 days (France 2009)
Only Spanish rider to win 2 titles back to back in Premier Class

You're right. He's got fuck all records to his name.

Yes i do love stats these two were very funny.
We should continue to debate who is greater when MM wins a few more championships on other makes and is still on the podium when hes pushing 40 then


Haha, fuck off. Dovi used to have a Honda remember but someone faster was always ahead of him... Pedrosa.
And as for results, look up career stats if you're keen on throwing them around and a certain Pedrosa will be up there ahead of all your old fart heros. Rant over.


As i recall Dovi finished ahead of pedro in his last year at honda.
Hush now about old farts, Pedro isn't fit to shine Doohans boots, let alone be mentioned in the same sentence.:bleh:

Pedros 11 years on a works Honda in the major class without winning a title has to be a all time record.
In a similar period Mick won 5 (Should have been six)

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yes i do love stats these two were very funny.
We should continue to debate who is greater when MM wins a few more championships on other makes and is still on the podium when hes pushing 40 then


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Well, he's won titles on a Derbi, a Suter, and a Honda...so not going too badly I guess. Rossi has won titles on Honda's and Yamahas and Aprillias... and MM wont have to wait until he's 40 (not that Rossi is 40 either) to beat Rossi's records. Well, the very few he still owns anyway. :msn-wink:

[husaberg]

Well, he's won titles on a Derbi, a Suter, and a Honda...so not going too badly I guess. Rossi has won titles on Honda's and Yamahas and Aprillias... and MM wont have to wait until he's 40 (not that Rossi is 40 either) to beat Rossi's records. Well, the very few he still owns anyway. :msn-wink:

In the major class crasher, he needs to prove he can win on either Honda or Yamaha in the major class.

[Crasherfromwayback]

In the major class crasher, he needs to prove he can win on either Honda or Yamaha in the major class.

I don't think he has to prove anything of the sort. And like Doohan, why leave if they give you everything you want? I doubt very much MM's ego is anywhere near the size of Rossi's. So having the need to prove himself on diff equipment may be something he never feels the need to do. Won't stop him winning more titles and breaking//setting more records though. And I'd best not mention Stoner, as Old Eel gets hot under the collar. But if he'd stuck around...

[husaberg]

I don't think he has to prove anything of the sort. And like Doohan, why leave if they give you everything you want? I doubt very much MM's ego is anywhere near the size of Rossi's. So having the need to prove himself on diff equipment may be something he never feels the need to do.
A lot of people didn't rate doohan as a great for just that reason.
Eddie Lawson did it back to back, as did Rossi. Ago did it as well. (whoops Ago didn't one year apart)

II'd best not mention Stoner, as Old Eel gets hot under the collar. But if he'd stuck around...

You would be having his babies? seriously
Stoners not arround, it was clearly too tough for him.Time to let him go , hes gone.:bleh:
Rossi's still there though, toughing it out.

[Crasherfromwayback]

You would be having his babies? seriously
Stoners not arround, it was clearly too tough for him.Time to let him go , hes gone.:bleh:
Rossi's still there though, toughing it out.

Lol. And you want Rossi's? Better chance of that seeing as you're both homos. Toughing it out is one thing, winning titles is another. Rossi has won how many since Stoner quit the party?

[husaberg]

Lol. And you want Rossi's? Better chance of that seeing as you're both homos. Toughing it out is one thing, winning titles is another. Rossi has won how many since Stoner quit the party?

Hes won a shit load more races than Stoner has............or ever will...........
both before and after stoner

[onearmedbandit]

Hahaha this is some good shit. My dad is bigger than yours. Well my dad would kick your dads arse. Yeah well if my dad was still around he'd kick all your dads arses. Yeah but my dad is older and is still toughing it out. Yeah well my dad has more fight records than yours.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Hes won a shit load more races than Stoner has............or ever will...........


Hey...could you tell me Stat Man? What's the head to head record again for Stoner VS Rossi? And I'll even let you include Stoners first year on the sat bike, with over the counter tyres, vs Rossi's factory flown in the night before factory specials?

Can't wait.

I know it hurts GLENN!

[speights_bud]

Hahaha this is some good shit. My dad is bigger than yours. Well my dad would kick your dads arse. Yeah well if my dad was still around he'd kick all your dads arses. Yeah but my dad is older and is still toughing it out. Yeah well my dad has more fight records than yours.
If I could just add this to the end...

My Dad has guns. Well my Dad has bigger guns...

Legit argument from when I was at primary school at about age 7 haha.

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[Crasherfromwayback]

My Dad has guns. Well my Dad has bigger guns...

k

Guns are bad. Just like drugs.

[pritch]

Lets play the stats game to see why he has his seat:



The stats are irrelevant, he was gone, out, finished. Then saved by the bell when Stoner threw in the towel.
(And that could be some sort of a record for mixed metaphors?) :whistle:

Fuck! And it's a month of this until the next race?

[T.W.R]

:lol: one thing Marquez can't get under his belt is a Suzuka 8hr title at 22yrs old :yes:

[husaberg]

Hey...could you tell me Stat Man? What's the head to head record again for Stoner VS Rossi? And I'll even let you include Stoners first year on the sat bike, with over the counter tyres, vs Rossi's factory flown in the night before factory specials?

Can't wait.

I know it hurts GLENN!

Seriously Why is it you always think of head with stoner...........
A page or so ago when i suggested anything other than full career stats you said that was cherry picking

Ummmm...you're comparing MM's last three seasons, yet Rossi's entire career? Why don't you compare the records set by both? What about percentages of Moto GP races started vs wins? Talk about cherry picking to suit an agenda.

Stoners gone, Pete let him go, Rossi's still winning.....


:lol: one thing Marquez can't get under his belt is a Suzuka 8hr title at 22yrs old :yes:
Or a 500 GP title

Intersting fact only two people have won an on the Daytona 200, the Imola 200 and the Isle of Man TT.
One is of course Ago
The other also won a Suzuka 8 Hour. yet never won a 500 GP

[Crasherfromwayback]

, Rossi's still winning.....

What? What has he won Glenn? One or two races a year? Like Pedro? Blamed the Spanish Inquisition for making him lose the title two seasons ago? Seriously...let it (him) go.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Seriously Why is i you always think of head with stoner...........
.

Have you been drinking, Glenn?

[eelracing]

And I'd best not mention Stoner, as Old Eel gets hot under the collar. But if he'd stuck around...

Stuck around? Stacey Moaner got the fuck out of there as soon as he realised Marquez would own his arse on the same bike.

Rossi's still there coz he loves it.End of story.

[Autech]

Bahaha. Quality bants.

My school arguments usually went "my dads so strong he could lift this class room" "myyyy dads so strong he could lift the school"

Here's a legit question, who would win at fist fight? Excluding the sat riders of course.

I'm going to go with Lorenzo, he's set to to boom one day

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