The 2017 Election Thread

[pritch]

then she deliberately lied to the public.
A resignation would be appropriate

Now now. They all lie to the public and NZ politicians resign only very rarely. You can't get them out with dynamite.

If they lie to Parliament though, that's different. They couldn't care less about anybody else, but they take themselves very seriously.

[jasonu]

So apparently owning up to a totally avoidable fuck up will make it better and hopefully make it go away. What a thick cunt.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12268112

[sidecar bob]

So apparently owning up to a totally avoidable fuck up will make it better and hopefully make it go away. What a thick cunt.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12268112

Apparently "it could happen to any party":facepalm:

[husaberg]

Apparently "it could happen to any party":facepalm:

Someone has a very short memory because not so long ago National was offering to cover up sexual allegations against someone if they stepped down.



As first reported by Newsroom on Tuesday, complaints about the Botany MP were raised with the party’s leadership in at least one case.
The response of Goodfellow and others was not to drum Ross out of National on the grounds of poor character, but to help broker a confidentiality agreement ensuring the public would not know.

In the case of former National MP Todd Barclay, who resigned following a Newsroom investigation into allegations he illegally recorded a staff member, Goodfellow and National’s board allowed his re-selection for Clutha-Southland despite being aware of a litany of complaints about his conduct.
Glenys Dickson, the affected employee, alleged that board member Glenda Hughes had urged her to withdraw a complaint to police, citing the possible impact on National’s parliamentary majority at the time.
Dickson also received a payout from the National leaders’ budget, which then-Deputy Prime Minister Bill English said at the time was “to avoid potential legal action”.

In the case of National MP Dr Jian Yang’s ties to Chinese military intelligence - another Newsroom investigation - it was revealed that Goodfellow had handpicked the MP for its list in 2011.
The party president said Yang’s background had been vetted by public relations firm Saunders Unsworth - a claim later refuted by the company.


Not to mention the conservative leader September: Conservative Party leader Colin Craig resigns as party leader amid allegations of sexual harassment of his former secretary. In the messy leadership dispute which follows, Craig is suspended by the party
But of cause you guys were totally indignant about it at the time :psst:
other wise you guys would be pretty hypocritical

[sidecar bob]

Someone has a very short memory because not so long ago National was offering to cover up sexual allegations against someone if they stepped down.

Yes, that's why I'm agreeing.
Even their leader is but Nashnil'ing.:yawn:

[pete376403]

Much (if not all) of the talk around the alleged assault(s) seems to ignore that it is still only allegations, ie nothing has been proven, yet almost everyone has determined guilt and are now quibbling over who should be punished, and to what degree.

Christchurch Civic Creche / Peter Elllis all over again?

[husaberg]

Yes, that's why I'm agreeing.
Even their leader is but Nashnil'ing.:yawn:

what we appear to have here though is a complaint that was not made to the PM.
in-fact the compliant of sexual misconduct was not even in the original complaint made either.
where as the ones made aginst the other parties were known to the leaders and where covered up and paid out.
But there was no lynch mob from you guys for the national leader. So whats the difference.

[sidecar bob]

But there was no lynch mob from you guys for the national leader. So whats the difference.

There will be when national get in next election. I'm not completely one eyed.

[husaberg]

There will be when national get in next election. I'm not completely one eyed.

Really yet you have a peg leg and a bird on your shoulder.
if the nats get in at the next election that would be a epic comeback of Lazarus proportions.

[Laava]

There will be when national get in next election. I'm not completely one eyed.
Well, I admire your confidence in National but they will need a leader. They are running out of time...

[sidecar bob]

Well, I admire your confidence in National but they will need a leader. They are running out of time...

Hardly, Labour proved you can chuck a new leader in three weeks before an election however cynical that may seem.
Ever heard of Christopher Luxton? I think they're keeping him clean until near election time, I don't think they will swap Bridges out in desperation at the last minute though.

[husaberg]

Hardly, Labour proved you can chuck a new leader in three weeks before an election however cynical that may seem.
Ever heard of Christopher Luxton? I think they're keeping him clean until near election time, I don't think they will swap Bridges out in desperation at the last minute though.

So out of the 50 or so senior Nation party members the best person to lead and run the national party iis n your opinion as a national party fancier and voter . Someone who has never been a member of the national party and is still not a member of the National party. Wow speaks volumes fo the party................

[Laava]

If the Nats get in power, it will probably be with Winston anyway...😀

[sidecar bob]

So out of the 50 or so senior Nation party members the best person to lead and run the national party iis n your opinion as a national party fancier and voter . Someone who has never been a member of the national party and is still not a member of the National party. Wow speaks volumes fo the party................

It sure does, but with his background I'm sure he could bring a bit more than a concerned nod, & the upgrading of #Me Too, to #We Too.
Maybe his first assistant won't be a sexual abuser too.

[Laava]

It sure does, but with his background I'm sure he could bring a bit more than a concerned nod, & the upgrading of #Me Too, to #We Too.
Maybe his first assistant won't be a sexual abuser too.
The national party is so full of "politicians" that he would be better off just starting his own party so he doesnt get flushed down the crapper with the likes of Paula Benefit, Soymun, Crusher etc

[Banditbandit]

OK - so the investigation (yes, I know some of you will call not a fair investigation) is starting to support Aderns's story ..

Just as the hearing into the allegations made in Jon Stephenson and Nicky Hager's book Hit and Run is starting to look true ..

You all claimed that was a bullshit book - but on the news last night I listened to the then head of the defence force Jerry Mataparaie say that he knew back then of the allegations that civilians had been killed - but did nothing about it - and never informed the defense minister ..


Your allegations are based on your ideologies .. and you jump to conclusions before the evidence is completely available ... that's a good way to get egg on your face ..

Hussie is right - show the evidence or shut up ..

[TheDemonLord]

OK - so the investigation (yes, I know some of you will call not a fair investigation) is starting to support Aderns's story ..

There's a part missing in that, I've not said anything about the Allegations one way or another, however there is MUCH to be said for a Party who has aligned themselves with certain international Movements (Metoo etc.) not applying the same standard to themselves that they righteously apply to other people.

[Katman]

Hussie is right - show the evidence or shut up ..

I've shown him plenty of evidence.

He chooses to ignore it.

[Banditbandit]

There's a part missing in that, I've not said anything about the Allegations one way or another, however there is MUCH to be said for a Party who has aligned themselves with certain international Movements (Metoo etc.) not applying the same standard to themselves that they righteously apply to other people.

My response wasn't particularly aimed at you ..

There is a difference between the party and the Caucus ... the difference is a bit nuanced, but in this case is important. The party employed the people involved in this - victims and perpetrator - and the alleged events took place in a workplace. It is therefore an employment issue. Caucus is not involved in party matters - especially in employment matters. Ardern may have known something was occurring, but she did not need the details of an internal party employment issue. Those are left to the party President - who has royally fucked it up.

The only reason Ardern is involved is that this has become public and reflects badly on the party and interferes with the electability of Labour people.

As an employment issue, the party is a private group of people, belonging to an organisation which they pay annual fees to maintain their membership. This should have been an internal employment issue (unless the victims which to call the police - they appear not to have made that decision).

Moving into the public arena has dragged this into the political sphere .. which does involved Ardern - and she is, quite rightly, pissed off - the Party President has fucked up royally .. I would not like to hear what she has said behind closed doors .. the fact that the President has gone (Ardern has no power to enact that - she's given him a bollocking - and he has accepted he fucked up) shows just how pissed off she is ..

[husaberg]

It sure does, but with his background I'm sure he could bring a bit more than a concerned nod, & the upgrading of #Me Too, to #We Too.
Maybe his first assistant won't be a sexual abuser too.

So the whole of the National party is rudderless bunch of no hoppers, waiting around for the caucus to oust the current leader to put in a guy not even in politics, but as for his employees, yeah because no one has ever been accused of sexual abuse at Air NZ. Lets also not forget not so long ago the National PM was found to be inappropriately and unwantedly touching women.
But it seems National cant develop a decent leader from their ranks, what with Key,brash and whoever finally puts bridges out of our misery. But doubt it will happen prior to the election. mybe straight afterwards i hear they will stand him on Botany.

[sidecar bob]

Lets also not forget not so long ago the National PM was found to be inappropriately and unwantedly touching women.

There's quite a difference between touching someone's hair & touching their vagina, maybe not where you come from, but in Wellington it's not really same same.

[husaberg]

There's quite a difference between touching someone's hair & touching their vagina, maybe not where you come from, but in Wellington it's not really same same.
It is indeed, but one was proven and one is still an allegation, but nevertheless its still inappropriate touching,that was broadcast all arround the world, but in regards to the allegation are you really privy to all the information relating to the allegations, in this case? or are you just guessing?

[TheDemonLord]

There's quite a difference between touching someone's hair & touching their vagina, maybe not where you come from, but in Wellington it's not really same same.

Depends on how much Bush there is....

[mashman]

TOP are rebranding

[Swoop]

Had to laugh recently, where the horse-faced tooth monster was described quite well...

Apparently, whenever she travels via Air Force 767 (remember, she does a LOT of overseas travel) the aircraft gets the designation "Air Horse One".

Gotta love service humour!

[Katman]

Had to laugh recently, where the horse-faced tooth monster was described quite well...

Apparently, whenever she travels via Air Force 767 (remember, she does a LOT of overseas travel) the aircraft gets the designation "Air Horse One".

Gotta love service humour!

It says a lot about men who take great delight in denigrating women based on their looks.

[TheDemonLord]

It says a lot about men who take great delight in denigrating women based on their looks.

Knowing Service Members, I'm sure that they take equal or greater delight in denigrating Men also.

Might have something to do with being prepared to fight and die for your country....

[Katman]

Knowing Service Members, I'm sure that they take equal or greater delight in denigrating Men also.

Not usually based on their looks though.

[TheDemonLord]

Not usually based on their looks though.

Looks, Last name, First name, Amusing unfortunate incident in Basic Training.

They tend not to discriminate.

Everyone gets an equal amount of piss-taking.

[Katman]

Looks, Last name, First name, Amusing unfortunate incident in Basic Training.

They tend not to discriminate.

Everyone gets an equal amount of piss-taking.

Yes, and I'm commenting on those males who take great delight in denigrating women based on their looks.

[TheDemonLord]

Yes, and I'm commenting on those males who take great delight in denigrating women based on their looks.

Except those same males denigrate everyone around them based on whatever attribute sticks out and also receive the same denigration themselves.

You can't play the *ist card when every gets the same treatment.

[Katman]

Except those same males denigrate everyone around them based on whatever attribute sticks out and also receive the same denigration themselves.

You can't play the *ist card when every gets the same treatment.

I'm not limiting my comment to just the service personnel mentioned previously.

I'm including each and every one of you on here that takes great delight in denigrating women based on their looks.

[TheDemonLord]

I'm not limiting my comment to just the service personnel mentioned previously.

I'm including each and every one of you on here that takes great delight in denigrating women based on their looks.

I can assure you - I denigrate her because of her Terrible Policies, Socialist Political views, being more interested in saving the world than worrying about NZ and suspending Democracy in order to fuck me over.

[Katman]

I can assure you - I denigrate her because of her Terrible Policies, Socialist Political views, being more interested in saving the world than worrying about NZ and suspending Democracy in order to fuck me over.

And if you're confident that you've never denigrated Jacinda Ardern (or any other woman) based on their looks, then my comment isn't directed at you.

[pritch]

I'd have to plead guilty, not with regard to the PM though I don't think, all that tooth fairy stuff is just too obvious.

[onearmedbandit]

And if you're confident that you've never denigrated Jacinda Ardern (or any other woman) based on their looks, then my comment isn't directed at you.

Damn I'd be surprised if there was anyone in the history of mankind who had never passed judgement on someones looks.

[jasonu]

It says a lot about men who take great delight in denigrating women based on their looks.

Ive never said anything mean about that horse faced toothy stupid bint.

[TheDemonLord]

And if you're confident that you've never denigrated Jacinda Ardern (or any other woman) based on their looks, then my comment isn't directed at you.

No more or no less than Members of the Opposite Sex have Denigrated me for my looks.

[Katman]

Damn I'd be surprised if there was anyone in the history of mankind who had never passed judgement on someones looks.

Well I'm talking specifically about men slagging off women's looks.

It's usually due to a deep rooted sense of superiority over women. (Often hiding an even deeper rooted sense of feeling threatened by successful women).

And if anyone tries suggesting that sexism isn't rife in the Armed Services, they should probably talk to a few female service personnel who have been on the receiving end.

[jasonu]

No more or no less than Members of the Opposite Sex have Denigrated me for my looks.

Pictures please.

[jasonu]

Well I'm talking specifically about men slagging off women's looks.

It's usually due to a deep rooted sense of superiority over women. (Often hiding an even deeper rooted sense of feeling threatened by successful women).

.

https://www.ktvz.com/news/national-world/worlds-first-vagina-museum-to-open-in-london/1123247075

[sidecar bob]

Well I'm talking specifically about men slagging off women's looks.

It's usually due to a deep rooted sense of superiority over women. (Often hiding an even deeper rooted sense of feeling threatened by successful women).


Yet it's ok to call someone shitforbrains, autistic & a bunch of other personal insults?
Is that borne of a deep rooted sense of superiority while actually feeling threatened as well?

[Katman]

Yet it's ok to call someone shitforbrains, autistic & a bunch of other personal insults?

You really are feeling a little sensitive today, aren't you?

[sidecar bob]

You really are feeling a little sensitive today, aren't you?

No, I'm just growing weary of your constant put downs & abuse of people that don't share your point of view while contributing little of value to motorcyclists in general.
The forum is called "kiwi biker" it's primarily about motorcycling.
Perhaps you should post on a more appropriate forum, maybe flat earthers or something along those lines.

[Katman]

No, I'm just growing weary of your constant put downs & abuse of people that don't share your point of view while contributing little of value to motorcyclists in general.
The forum is called "kiwi biker" it's primarily about motorcycling.
Perhaps you should post on a more appropriate forum, maybe flat earthers or something along those lines.

This sub-forum is called 'Rant and Rave - talk about any non-motorcycle stuff here'.

Like I've said, perhaps you need to look for threads that are more suited to your sensitivity.

(And btw, I contribute plenty to motorcyclists).

[austingtir]

MAGA

Make
Ardern
Go
Away


https://scontent.fakl8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/70493585_120619962657766_8477492610183725056_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=108&_nc_oc=AQlM1zPn1PM8_aeTdMMpZfLUxDybyyWMh2bqi7-yWu5kEndEIT3DmKy9g3OaN_P5Ebw&_nc_ht=scontent.fakl8-1.fna&oh=07361a928e2a373e0f6bbdba38d22662&oe=5E3385AB

[Swoop]

It says a lot about men who take great delight in denigrating women based on their looks.
I'm continually laghing at her complete ineptitude, lack of knowledge, lack of worldly skills, insistence on furthering her potential for a UN job, grandstanding & being a retard before her looks.
But if you want to concentrate on her looks, go right ahead.

[Katman]

I'm continually laghing at her complete ineptitude, lack of knowledge, lack of worldly skills, insistence on furthering her potential for a UN job, grandstanding & being a retard before her looks.
But if you want to concentrate on her looks, go right ahead.

I'm sorry, I must have misinterpreted the punchline of your 'service humour' joke.

[husaberg]

I'm continually laghing at her complete ineptitude, lack of knowledge, lack of worldly skills, insistence on furthering her potential for a UN job, grandstanding & being a retard before her looks.
But if you want to concentrate on her looks, go right ahead.

What you are saying now doesn't really tally with your post though, does it.


Had to laugh recently, where the horse-faced tooth monster was described quite well...

Apparently, whenever she travels via Air Force 767 (remember, she does a LOT of overseas travel) the aircraft gets the designation "Air Horse One".

Gotta love service humour!

[sidecar bob]

I'm continually laghing at her complete ineptitude, lack of knowledge, lack of worldly skills, insistence on furthering her potential for a UN job, grandstanding & being a retard before her looks.
But if you want to concentrate on her looks, go right ahead.

To be fair, she hadn't run any kind of self supporting business before she got voted to run a country on her "looks"
clearly Andrew Little wasn't hot enough for labour voters, It would be a bit rich if they now started on people for being that shallow.
And hey, China, Japan, pretty much the same thing anyway.:facepalm:
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/09/jacinda-ardern-awkwardly-mixes-up-china-and-japan.html

[Ocean1]

To be fair, she hadn't run any kind of self supporting business before she got voted to run a country on her "looks"

There's no such thing as a self supporting business, they're all built on the backs of workers forced by the unethical elite to work in indentured servitude, for a pittance.















:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:: laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::l augh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Katman]

There's no such thing as a self supporting business, they're all built on the backs of workers forced by the unethical elite to work in indentured servitude, for a pittance.

And many a true word is said in jest.

[sidecar bob]

There's no such thing as a self supporting business, they're all built on the backs of workers forced by the unethical elite to work in indentured servitude, for a pittance:

But. . . .but anyone is free to start a business & become one of the unethical elite.:weird:

[Banditbandit]

There's no such thing as a self supporting business, they're all built on the backs of workers forced by the unethical elite to work in indentured servitude, for a pittance.




Very funny - gross generalization - but still funny ..

[mashman]

Very funny - gross generalization - but still funny ..

Yeah nah... I thought 2 businessmen thinking that such a thing exists i.e. a self supporting business is funnier... coz suppliers and customers (for the economically illiterate).

Oh, and :killingme

[sidecar bob]

Yeah nah... I thought 2 businessmen thinking that such a thing exists i.e. a self supporting business is funnier... coz suppliers and customers (for the economically illiterate).

Oh, and :killingme

How about one that hasn't got its hand out for free stuff from the govt or other sources.
Or a govt dept where you can waste as much as you want with no personal consequences.
Have a crack at a business, there's no restrictions on who can & cant.
Oh, and are you running for local government again this term?
And for fucks sake, do you think you could possibly create a post without using the :killingme emoticom?

[husaberg]

But. . . .but anyone is free to start a business & become one of the unethical elite.:weird:

I am sure all you Tory's all hark back to the 1860s before half of the peasants got to vote, as the good old days.


Voting rights before 1832
In early-19th-century Britain very few people had the right to vote. A survey conducted in 1780 revealed that the electorate in England and Wales consisted of just 214,000 people - less than 3% of the total population of approximately 8 million. In Scotland the electorate was even smaller: in 1831 a mere 4,500 men, out of a population of more than 2.6 million people, were entitled to vote in parliamentary elections. Large industrial cities like Leeds, Birmingham and Manchester did not have a single MP between them, whereas 'rotten boroughs' such as Dunwich in Suffolk (which had a population of 32 in 1831) were still sending two MPs to Westminster. The British electoral system was unrepresentative and outdate

:bleh:

[Ocean1]

I am sure all you Tory's all hark back to the 1860s before half of the peasants got to vote, as the good old days.



:bleh:

Ah, the good old days. :laugh:

I'd have them back in a flash, no vote sounds like a small price to pay for not having to pay even the minuscule taxes of the day.

[husaberg]

Ah, the good old days. :laugh:

I'd have them back in a flash, no vote sounds like a small price to pay for not having to pay even the minuscule taxes of the day.

Or the wages of the peasants that have to slave away down at the pit or in the feilds to pay your rents. or if they are really lucky get to clean your privy for the privilage of having a roof over their heads, because they were not born to the aristocracy.
not to mention the privilage of dying in your mid thirties.
If they are hungry they should just eat cake.

[mashman]

How about one that hasn't got its hand out for free stuff from the govt or other sources.
Or a govt dept where you can waste as much as you want with no personal consequences.
Have a crack at a business, there's no restrictions on who can & cant.
Oh, and are you running for local government again this term?
And for fucks sake, do you think you could possibly create a post without using the :killingme emoticom?

How about one that hasn't got its hand out for free stuff from the govt or other sources. - Ooooo, almost a tough one. Those who get the free money spend it all in the economy, renters get a regular rental source, and the wheel turns as people shift money around the economy buying things and paying their debts. As the great Ocean used to like to point out, there are 42% (Brownlee from a few years ago) of the population who are a tax drain on the government. Lots of people working (but only 6% inemployment), but, erm............. If they don't get money from somewhere, they won't be able to spend "new" money into the economy.

Or a govt dept where you can waste as much as you want with no personal consequences. - That all depends on who one is is the hierarchy innit. Still though, the vast majority of those actually doing the work are pretty much good bastids. They're usually the ones who take the heat, coz they're a dime a dozen... the higher ups however.......

Have a crack at a business, there's no restrictions on who can & cant. - But that creates debt given that the majority of small business startups fail. Hardly a harmless thing to do, and in times where the kids are screamin' at us for pulling shit out of the ground etc..., somewhat fair enough like, exacerbating that with a resource free for all isn't exactly a wise thing to be doing on a finite planet... but hey, each to their own.

Oh, and are you running for local government again this term? - Nah. Moving, and the folks don't take kindly to out of towners standing from outside of their electorate. It just ain't worth that sort of bullshit. But most definitely a yes for the national elections.

And for fucks sake, do you think you could possibly create a post without using the :killingme emoticom? - Only when you start posting like a human being :shifty: (oh I do miss that one).

[TheDemonLord]

How about one that hasn't got its hand out for free stuff from the govt or other sources. - Ooooo, almost a tough one. Those who get the free money spend it all in the economy, renters get a regular rental source, and the wheel turns as people shift money around the economy buying things and paying their debts. As the great Ocean used to like to point out, there are 42% (Brownlee from a few years ago) of the population who are a tax drain on the government. Lots of people working (but only 6% inemployment), but, erm............. If they don't get money from somewhere, they won't be able to spend "new" money into the economy.

Except that then acts as a disincentive for other people to actually work hard and produce shit, which without, the entire Economy falls to shit.

Then you have to have massive Government Tyranny to try and force people to work - just like the Paradises of Soviet Russia, North Korea, Cambodia etc.


Or a govt dept where you can waste as much as you want with no personal consequences. - That all depends on who one is is the hierarchy innit. Still though, the vast majority of those actually doing the work are pretty much good bastids. They're usually the ones who take the heat, coz they're a dime a dozen... the higher ups however.......

Not at all, I've got multiple friends in multiple public sector areas (Legal, Healthcare, Teaching etc.) all with eerily similar stories:

Multi-Million dollar projects scrapped when nearing completion, complete 180s on direction every 3 or so years, unhealthy skepticism of change.

The problem is that when doing things differently can get you fired, and following the process guarantees you a job for life, again the individual has a disincentive to try and make things better. Add in a Toxic middle-management (where people are constantly engaging in office politics to prevent good people from being promoted and 'taking their job') and completely disconnected senior Management you end up either:

A: Loosing the people who are passionate about the area to the Private sector
B: Jading them into no longer being passionate.


Have a crack at a business, there's no restrictions on who can & cant. - But that creates debt given that the majority of small business startups fail. Hardly a harmless thing to do, and in times where the kids are screamin' at us for pulling shit out of the ground etc..., somewhat fair enough like, exacerbating that with a resource free for all isn't exactly a wise thing to be doing on a finite planet... but hey, each to their own.

Sounds like you are acknowledging Risk, which would mean you also acknowledge that the business owner should reap the reward for that Risk, if only you hadn't massively contradicted yourself....


Oh, and are you running for local government again this term? - Nah. Moving, and the folks don't take kindly to out of towners standing from outside of their electorate. It just ain't worth that sort of bullshit. But most definitely a yes for the national elections.

And I've got faith that the majority of the Nation will see through your smug, marxist, communist 2.0 Bullshit.


And for fucks sake, do you think you could possibly create a post without using the :killingme emoticom? - Only when you start posting like a human being :shifty: (oh I do miss that one).

Therein lies the justification for Mass Murder, Torture and Genocide, by every Marxist inspired Dictator.

"it's not wrong to kill those who aren't Human Beings, and only those who act in the manner that I prescribe are Human Beings"

[Banditbandit]

Except that then acts as a disincentive for other people to actually work hard and produce shit, which without, the entire Economy falls to shit.




Ah - the myth of the disincentive ...

Show me one, just one, economy, that has failed because of its social welfare system ... or are you including corporate welfare in that statement?

[TheDemonLord]

Ah - the myth of the disincentive ...

Show me one, just one, economy, that has failed because of its social welfare system ... or are you including corporate welfare in that statement?

Okay - State your definition for Failed - Total Anarchy, Recession, Economy Collapse, rampant inflation?

Are you going to include Economies where the high Social Welfare cost was a factor in the Failure (but other factors were also present)?

There's a few off the top of my head that spring to mind.

[Swoop]

What you are saying now doesn't really tally with your post though, does it.
Quite happy to judge the idiot on her achievements actually, which tallies up to 0.
The service (and apparently the deluded public) will easily judge her on her appearance (public = easily deluded by lying cow with a smile)...

The good laugh in her lack of control over NZ <STRIKE>Fist</STRIKE> First and another shambles with "Money For VOTES!" Shane Jones' electorate bribery.

[husaberg]

Quite happy to judge the idiot on her achievements actually, which tallies up to 0.
The service (and apparently the deluded public) will easily judge her on her appearance (public = easily deluded by lying cow with a smile)...

The good laugh in her lack of control over NZ <STRIKE>Fist</STRIKE> First and another shambles with "Money For VOTES!" Shane Jones' electorate bribery.

Only you very clearly were not though.
Hence your post having nothing to do with anything at all she or her government has done.
You take cheap shots on account that you clearly dont have the political currency.


Had to laugh recently, where the horse-faced tooth monster was described quite well...
Apparently, whenever she travels via Air Force 767 (remember, she does a LOT of overseas travel) the aircraft gets the designation "Air Horse One".
Gotta love service humour!

[austingtir]

In Australia but I think its still relevant to us...

I thought this was interesting just in the way the "handler" of these students came in to shoo them away when he thought they were answering questions that might make the CCP look bad...


https://youtu.be/SsWa9fieWSU

A couple of things astounded me about this. @ 8:28 We have an obvious CCP handler in Australia telling chinese students studying in Australia what to say and do!? Which obviously also shows how well organised their counter protests are.

And then just the general attitude and complete lack of any facts of Chinese students that are being educated in Australia..


And people think this stuff doesnt happen here in NZ?

[austingtir]

Avi follows up on this guy in his vid:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzRUzNLVaGg

[Swoop]

Hence your post having nothing to do with anything at all she or her government has done.
She or the liarbour gubbinment have not achieved anything, except massive borrowing of debt to pay for all the bullshit promises they made to get elected.
Housing crisis solved = no.
"child poverty" solved = no.
Kiwibuild = utter failure.

Then we have the lunatics aligned with them, with Lunatic Fringe party wanting to ban cars and NZ first roaming around like a demented Robin Hood distributing money to the pet projects and vote-buying nonsense in the regions.

No wonder business confidence slumped.

[husaberg]

She or the liarbour gubbinment have not achieved anything, except massive borrowing of debt to pay for all the bullshit promises they made to get elected.
Housing crisis solved = no.
"child poverty" solved = no.
Kiwibuild = utter failure.

Then we have the lunatics aligned with them, with Lunatic Fringe party wanting to ban cars and NZ first roaming around like a demented Robin Hood distributing money to the pet projects and vote-buying nonsense in the regions.

No wonder business confidence slumped.

Gee if only you were not talking utter bollocks.
massive borrowing who does that oh national does the actual facts say Labour government pay off debt.
Either learn some facts or Go push your lies elsewhere
https://thestandard.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/NZ-debt-CLark-Key-comparison.jpg

https://d3fy651gv2fhd3.cloudfront.net/charts/new-zealand-government-debt-to-gdp.png?s=nzldebt2gdp&v=201905131010V20190821&d1=20140101&d2=20191231
New Zealand Government Net Debt to GDP

[onearmedbandit]

Gee if only you were not talking utter bollocks.
massive borrowing who does that oh national does the actual facts say Labour government pay off debt.
Either learn some facts or Go push your lies elsewhere


Very interesting. For comparisons sake I had a look at how some other countries performed in the same period. Weirdly their graphs reflected ours. National sure had an impact huh. Or was there something else happening at the time.

[TheDemonLord]

Gee if only you were not talking utter bollocks.
massive borrowing who does that oh national does the actual facts say Labour government pay off debt.
Either learn some facts or Go push your lies elsewhere

New Zealand Government Net Debt to GDP

It's very easy to make your Debt look good, when you neglect to invest in ANY Infrastructure....

[husaberg]

Very interesting. For comparisons sake I had a look at how some other countries performed in the same period. Weirdly their graphs reflected ours. National sure had an impact huh. Or was there something else happening at the time.

Wow thats a very convenient way to look at the fact that what he stated was 100% totally factually incorrect.
As its readily apparent to anyone without a brain the size of a golfball that thr NZ labour party has not had massive borrowing as was written in his post.
So go on then answer was what he wrote about the NZ labour true or not given the real stats i posted. its a simple yes or no answer.
Just to jog your memory here is his post.

She or the liarbour gubbinment have not achieved anything, except massive borrowing of debt to pay for all the bullshit promises they made to get elected.
.

So was the post factually correct or doe the stats paint a picture of the reverse being true.

https://fmacskasy.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/new-zealand-government-debt-to-gdp-1990-20111.png
https://thestandard.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/NZ-debt-CLark-Key-comparison.jpg
https://d3fy651gv2fhd3.cloudfront.net/charts/new-zealand-government-debt-to-gdp.png?s=nzldebt2gdp&v=201905131010V20190821&d1=20140101&d2=20191231

maybe i should post net Debt
https://d3fy651gv2fhd3.cloudfront.net/charts/new-zealand-government-debt.png?s=newzealangovdeb&v=201905131009V20190821&d1=19901004&d2=20191004

343308

funny enough its doent seem so bad her at the moment despite all the doomdsay predictions

[sidecar bob]

It's very easy to make your Debt look good, when you neglect to invest in ANY Infrastructure....

Went to Auckland via matamata the other day.
Spent the whole time dodging holes in the absolutely fucked road that hasn't had a cent spent on it under Labour.

[husaberg]

Went to Auckland via matamata the other day.
Spent the whole time dodging holes in the absolutely fucked road that hasn't had a cent spent on it under Labour.
Cool story Bro
So seeing as the tender was awarded in October 2017 which government set the budget for NZTA for the maintenance of that road
I will give you a hint its starts with an N.

The 2017 New Zealand general election took place on Saturday 23 September 2017

RFx ID : 18592846
Tender Name : East Waikato Network Outcome Contract
Reference # : NZTA 2/16-015/601
Open Date : Wednesday, 26 April 2017 9:00 AM (Pacific/Auckland UTC+12:00)
Close Date : Tuesday, 9 May 2017 4:00 PM (Pacific/Auckland UTC+12:00)

https://nzta.govt.nz/media-releases/higgins-awarded-east-waikato-contract/
but cheers Bob nice try.
But seriously you guys need to stop and think before you post shit that is clearly making national look even worse.

what are you going to attempt to say next maybe you should say the labour leader isn't popular so i can point out they are 8 times more popular than the national leader.

[frogfeaturesFZR]

Very interesting. For comparisons sake I had a look at how some other countries performed in the same period. Weirdly their graphs reflected ours. National sure had an impact huh. Or was there something else happening at the time.

Christchurch rebuild.

[jasonu]

what are you going to attempt to say next maybe you should say the labour leader isn't popular so i can point out they are 8 times more popular than the national leader.

That’s the sort of thing you live for innit.

[Ocean1]

Went to Auckland via matamata the other day.
Spent the whole time dodging holes in the absolutely fucked road that hasn't had a cent spent on it under Labour.

Well, see they need the money from VTNZ's roading budget to build a new train set in Auckland.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/115885818/nzta-backs-down-from-light-rail-looks-at-spending-millions-elsewhere

[sidecar bob]

Cool story Bro
So seeing as the tender was awarded in October 2017 which government set the budget for NZTA for the maintenance of that road
I will give you a hint its starts with an N.


RFx ID : 18592846
Tender Name : East Waikato Network Outcome Contract
Reference # : NZTA 2/16-015/601
Open Date : Wednesday, 26 April 2017 9:00 AM (Pacific/Auckland UTC+12:00)
Close Date : Tuesday, 9 May 2017 4:00 PM (Pacific/Auckland UTC+12:00)

https://nzta.govt.nz/media-releases/higgins-awarded-east-waikato-contract/
but cheers Bob nice try.
But seriously you guys need to stop and think before you post shit that is clearly making national look even worse.

what are you going to attempt to say next maybe you should say the labour leader isn't popular so i can point out they are 8 times more popular than the national leader.
Cool story bro, I can link you to a story where two of every animal on earth fitted into a home made boat.
I'm referring to the minor day to day upkeep & maintenance of pot holes etc, of which there has been none for a couple of years, not some major roading contract.

[husaberg]

Cool story bro, I can link you to a story where two of every animal on earth fitted into a home made boat.
I'm referring to the minor day to day upkeep & maintenance of pot holes etc, of which there has been none for a couple of years, not some major roading contract.

That is the day to day repairs of the state highways in the area.

The NZ Transport Agency has awarded the contract for the management and maintenance of state highways in east Waikato to the national contractor Higgins.
“We are committed to being responsive to issues on the roads so there will be purpose-built cyclic vehicles out on our roads, identifying and where practicable resolving issues. There will also be a dedicated heavy maintenance crew that will undertake more permanent repairs,” Ms Boyt says.
If any road user sees a problem on our roads, they can call 0800 4 HIGHWAYS (0800 44 44 49) to alert the call centre team who will bring this to the attention of the Contractor network If you are referring to the council maintained roading network,
but its pretty simply spelled out in the contract manual .https://www.nzta.govt.nz/assets/resources/state-highway-maintenance-contract-proforma-manual/docs/sm032-a7.pdf

For Rural Areas, where local roads intersect the Limit of Works, the Contractor must maintain, including resurfacing, all items associated with intersection control at the local road for a distance of 10m from the position of the limit lines on sealed roads,
or to the end of a physical splitter island if one is installed, whichever is greater.For Urban Areas, the boundaries are the same as for Rural Areas, except the Contractor need only maintain the road assets and associated structures between andincluding the kerb lines or channels.


All roadways, cycle lanes, bridges, other structures, drainage structures (culverts,water channels, etc.), guardrails, noise barriers, landscaping and other facilities thatare owned and managed by the Principal and occupy the road reserve.

The Contractor’s top priority is to maintain a safe, reliable and resilient Network for the Principal's customers, while taking responsibility for its employees’ health and safety andthe safety of the Principal's customers.

For rural private entranceways the maintenance limit is the theoretical edge of seal across the entranceway.

The Contractor shall maintain the existing seal widths and sealed areas within theNetwork excluding areas within 5m from any rail unless a Memorandum ofUnderstanding has been agreed with KiwiRail

i would suggest you do a little more research before you blame the current government. As guess who changed the formula so council roads received buggar all funding for maintenance from the road user charges fuel and registrations, i will give you a hint.
it happened between 2009 and 2012

That’s the sort of thing you live for innit.
No one enjoys pointing out the obvious to people who are too dim, not to make stupid assumptions.

[sidecar bob]

Oh sorry, Nashnil's fault that emegerncey repairs can't be executed on a state highway as required, two years after their last term ended, my bad.

[husaberg]

Oh sorry, Nashnil's fault that emegerncey repairs can't be executed on a state highway as required, two years after their last term ended, my bad.

Three times in a row now Bob.
in case you fail to comprehend

Nationals policy set the tender conditions the budgets and the costs and maintenance conditions for the contract that was awarded for the road you spoke of it was nothing to do with Labour as you said it was.
End of story until the contract expires.

Higgins was awarded the East Waikato The contract covers 530 kilometres of highways in the Hauraki Plains – Coromandel Peninsula region.
The main East Waikato NOC office will be based in Morrinsville with two bases in Kopu and Whitianga to ensure a speedy response to any incident. Higgins will partner with Beca and a number of subcontractors who are well located around the network to deliver the contract. This is the fourth network for Higgins in this new form of highway maintenance.
The contract is for a seven year term starting in 2017 with possible extensions to nine years

[sidecar bob]

Three times in a row now Bob.
in case you fail to comprehend

Nationals policy set the tender conditions the budgets and the costs and maintenance conditions for the contract that was awarded for the road you spoke of it was nothing to do with Labour as you said it was.
End of story until the contract expires.

The contract is for a seven year term starting in 2017 with possible extensions to nine years

Three times? Do you have a problem with comprehension? Read my last post again.
I agree, it's the last govt's fault that we're currently driving on fucked state highways, you proved that with facts.

[husaberg]

Three times? Do you have a problem with comprehension? Read my last post again.
I agree, it's the last govt's fault that we're currently driving on fucked state highways, you proved that with facts.

Bob you were wrong no amount of trying to change the context of you post is going to change this.


Went to Auckland via matamata the other day.
Spent the whole time dodging holes in the absolutely fucked road that hasn't had a cent spent on it under Labour.



I'm referring to the minor day to day upkeep & maintenance of pot holes etc, of which there has been none for a couple of years, not some major roading contract.

these potholes and maintenance for two years suddenly became emergency repairs........

Oh sorry, Nashnil's fault that emegerncey repairs can't be executed on a state highway as required, two years after their last term ended, my bad.

So bob who set the maintence budget $for the road maintenance the tender conditions for contracts for 7 years on the roads you were talking about. Was it under National or under labour.

[sidecar bob]

Yes, you have convinced me of the folly of my ways, you can give up go & play outdoors now.

[husaberg]

Yes, you have convinced me of the folly of my ways, you can give up go & play outdoors now.

Come on bob fess up who set the budget $ and condtions for the 7 year maintenance contracts on the road that you now claim is being poorly maintained? was in under national or labour that this happened?
You were very quock to blame labour now fess up who should you blame.

[sidecar bob]

Come on bob fess up who set the budget $ and condtions for the 7 year maintenance contracts on the road that you now claim is being poorly maintained? was in under national or labour that this happened?
You were very quock to blame labour now fess up who should you blame.

We should blame national, the party that hasn't been in power for two years, for road maintenance that isn't being performed now, you have the proof, and you used it to great affect & made me look quite foolish.
You're going to make a great ex wife for somebody.

[husaberg]

We should blame national, the party that hasn't been in power for two years, for road maintenance that isn't being performed now, you have the proof, and you used it to great affect & made me look quite foolish.
You're going to make a great ex wife for somebody.
Ha ha, but why dont you answer the questions i asked rather than try an avoid it by making glib and sarcastic remarks.
What are you afraid of?

Bob you were wrong no amount of trying to change the context of you post is going to change this.




Went to Auckland via matamata the other day.
Spent the whole time dodging holes in the absolutely fucked road that hasn't had a cent spent on it under Labour.



I'm referring to the minor day to day upkeep & maintenance of pot holes etc, of which there has been none for a couple of years, not some major roading contract.



Oh sorry, Nashnil's fault that emegerncey repairs can't be executed on a state highway as required, two years after their last term ended, my bad.


So bob who set the maintence budget $for the road maintenance the tender conditions for contracts for 7 years on the roads you were talking about. Was it under National or under labour.
.

Cool story bro, I can link you to a story where two of every animal on earth fitted into a home made boat.
I'm referring to the minor day to day upkeep & maintenance of pot holes etc, of which there has been none for a couple of years, not some major roading contract.

That is the day to day repairs of the state highways in the area.

The NZ Transport Agency has awarded the contract for the management and maintenance of state highways in east Waikato to the national contractor Higgins.
“We are committed to being responsive to issues on the roads so there will be purpose-built cyclic vehicles out on our roads, identifying and where practicable resolving issues. There will also be a dedicated heavy maintenance crew that will undertake more permanent repairs,” Ms Boyt says.
If any road user sees a problem on our roads, they can call 0800 4 HIGHWAYS (0800 44 44 49) to alert the call centre team who will bring this to the attention of the Contractor network If you are referring to the council maintained roading network,
but its pretty simply spelled out in the contract manual .https://www.nzta.govt.nz/assets/resources/state-highway-maintenance-contract-proforma-manual/docs/sm032-a7.pdf

For Rural Areas, where local roads intersect the Limit of Works, the Contractor must maintain, including resurfacing, all items associated with intersection control at the local road for a distance of 10m from the position of the limit lines on sealed roads,
or to the end of a physical splitter island if one is installed, whichever is greater.For Urban Areas, the boundaries are the same as for Rural Areas, except the Contractor need only maintain the road assets and associated structures between andincluding the kerb lines or channels.


All roadways, cycle lanes, bridges, other structures, drainage structures (culverts,water channels, etc.), guardrails, noise barriers, landscaping and other facilities thatare owned and managed by the Principal and occupy the road reserve.

The Contractor’s top priority is to maintain a safe, reliable and resilient Network for the Principal's customers, while taking responsibility for its employees’ health and safety andthe safety of the Principal's customers.

For rural private entranceways the maintenance limit is the theoretical edge of seal across the entranceway.

The Contractor shall maintain the existing seal widths and sealed areas within theNetwork excluding areas within 5m from any rail unless a Memorandum ofUnderstanding has been agreed with KiwiRail

i would suggest you do a little more research before you blame the current government. As guess who changed the formula so council roads received buggar all funding for maintenance from the road user charges fuel and registrations, i will give you a hint.
it happened between 2009 and 2012



Come on bob fess up who set the budget $ and condtions for the 7 year maintenance contracts on the road that you now claim is being poorly maintained? was in under national or labour that this happened?
You were very quock to blame labour now fess up who should you blame.




No mater how much you want to avaoid the fact now after you made tjhe remark blaming the current goverment
The contract and the conditions were set by the previous government. Your beloved National. thus until the contract is finished in about 5 years the budget and conditions are written in a contract.
I can imagine the rants from the right if the current government sought to break the signed contract, seeing as they are contracts.:lol:
But seeing as you rather illogically want to pretend the contract and conditions and budget were not set by the previous government we appear to have met an impasse.
So here we are, i have proved what you said was wrong, On at least three counts, yet you want to pretend all the evidence that shows you were wrong doesn't exist. Much like someone else on kB does.

[Woodman]

Reading you guys posts, it's no fucken wonder the world is as fucked as it is.

[austingtir]

Reading you guys posts, it's no fucken wonder the world is as fucked as it is.

Im beginning to wonder if Husaberk alone is responsible.....

[sidecar bob]

I've accepted your findings, yet I somehow haven't met your requirements or dodged answering something, fuck knows.
The thing I'm most afraid of is wasting my life arguing with people on the internet that clearly have a lot more free time on their hands than I do.

[Katman]

The thing I'm most afraid of is wasting my life arguing with people on the internet that clearly have a lot more free time on their hands than I do.

And yet, here you are.

[husaberg]

I've accepted your findings, yet I somehow haven't met your requirements or dodged answering something, fuck knows.
The thing I'm most afraid of is wasting my life arguing with people on the internet that clearly have a lot more free time on their hands than I do.

Bob that smarmy glibness you are carrying on with now is the reason why your local MP simon bridges will never win the next election and become PM.
I asked you a simple question and you refuse answer it. Without the caveats.
The reason you refuse to answer straight, i can only assume is pride. you were so quick to lay blame as it suited the narrative you wanted to portray. But you steadfastly refuse to use the words National or do anything but be sarcastic about the simple facts of the mater.
So i will ask one more time Who was the government when the tender and its budget and condition was let out, Was it National or Labour?


Went to Auckland via matamata the other day.
Spent the whole time dodging holes in the absolutely fucked road that hasn't had a cent spent on it under Labour.

[jasonu]

I can imagine the rants from the right if the current government sought to break the signed contract, seeing as they are contracts.:lol:

Lucky for them their broken election promises are not contracts aye.






waits for multiple copy and pastes showing other countries leaders are even worse than the tooth monster...

[husaberg]

waits for multiple copy and pastes showing other countries leaders are even worse than the tooth monster...

Some people don't judge people solely on looks, but i see you are happy too do, apparently only with women though, As otherwise, you might have noticed the obese orangutan with a bad comb over, was who you voted for.

[austingtir]

^^

She looks more and more like Comrade Helen everyday....

https://i.imgur.com/4gtRCCz.jpg

[husaberg]

if you are going to say the PM is not attractive enough to lead the country and then push Donald trump how is it she found a husband without having to purchase one vie mail order?

Also f ass'tinger is so cool you would have to wonder why hes not running in the election.

[oldrider]

if you are going to say the PM is not attractive enough to lead the country and then push Donald trump how is it she found a husband without having to purchase one vie mail order?

Also f ass'tinger is so cool you would have to wonder why hes not running in the election.

This sort of posting is more about you than anyone else and you accuse and try to brand others - look deep into the mirror you will find the answer to all your problems right there! :yes:

[sidecar bob]

And yet, here you are.

Occasionally, and it would be rude of me to list all my achievements made offline between posts.

[sidecar bob]

how is it she found a husband without having to purchase one vie mail order?
.

Cos she's hawt? Even people that subconsciously throw all people with slanted eyes in the same basket can hook up.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/09/jacinda-ardern-awkwardly-mixes-up-china-and-japan.html

[austingtir]

Husatwerp and his endless assumptions..... You realize New Conservative has new candidates up and down the country ready to go for the next election. Maybe im one of them?

You'll probably never know.




The socialists in this country are not going to know what hit them this time next year.

[husaberg]

I'll look out for you name Scott. Sincerely do you think you would even get many votes when people see how you carry on on here, Do you belived there is an untapped pool of Christian roll voters.

Leighton Baker, the New Conservative leader said, "everyone wants friends... but at the end of the day what will happen will be determined by how much support we get".
New Conservative generated 0.6 per cent support in the latest party support poll Even the new leader of the conservative party doesn't think they have a chance.
(The old one is a bit quiet on the politics seeing as hes too busy losing court cases about his misconduct.)

Between June 4 and 8, 1002 eligible voters were polled via landline and mobile phone. The maximum sampling error is approximately ±3.1 percentage-points at the 95 per cent confidence level.
When your vote is 1/8 the margin of error i doubt too many politicians will be shaking in their boots.
Especially when you consider their is three other parties trying to get the magical sky pixie believers vote.


This sort of posting is more about you than anyone else and you accuse and try to brand others - look deep into the mirror you will find the answer to all your problems right there! :yes:
really so me posting that is, in your head somehow the same as you posting endless amounts of unsolicited nazi era propaganda about jews. Or these twerps posting crap about the looks of a politician as if its somehow importenat
I guess you are detached from reality.

[pritch]

You'll probably never know.


Sometimes ignorance truly is bliss.

Doesn't matter how many stand, odds are they'll be kiddie fiddlers or put the hard word on their staff, or otherwise disgrace themselves. Same ol' same ol'...

[austingtir]

Sometimes ignorance truly is bliss.

Doesn't matter how many stand, odds are they'll be kiddie fiddlers or put the hard word on their staff, or otherwise disgrace themselves. Same ol' same ol'...


Careful we both know who all the evidence points to atm as being kiddie fiddlers and it aint a good look for labour supporters.


Although if JK was still doing the rounds im sure he'd give them a run for their money:

https://scontent.fakl8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/70856939_10158998042182907_3831545165189742592_o.j pg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_oc=AQnn4SQxrY24FeC4bLasL-Tg9thwpIk3-f2iDFFeEPBIUjFXddIeX1nj7Yj2kHFxhiY&_nc_ht=scontent.fakl8-1.fna&oh=f4afea7561b4b97548dc78dc6d8d567d&oe=5DF38E8E

[pritch]

Careful we both know who all the evidence points to atm as being kiddie fiddlers and it aint a good look for labour]

It was the conservative party leader who got jailed.

[austingtir]

It was the conservative party leader who got jailed.

I think he's still appealing that. Nobody gives a toss about Colin Craig the guy is a complete dipshit but he's not a kiddy fiddler.

Labour on the other hand have been scrambling all year to cover up what went on at that summer camp. Let alone all these other instances.

[oldrider]

I posted these same comments on KB and have attracted the wrath of KB's dumbest poster ever since! -:whistle: - https://twitter.com/HenryMakow/status/1180846683300777985?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3AHenryMakow&ref_url=https%3A%2F %2Fwww.henrymakow.com%2F - :niceone: Great!

[pritch]

I think he's still appealing that. Nobody gives a toss about Colin Craig the guy is a complete dipshit but he's not a kiddy fiddler.



Colin Craig is in danger of being ruled a vexatious litigant. But no, he was not the Christian conservative party leader who got jailed for kiddie fiddling.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Capill


It's similar in the USA, the politicians mouthing off about "family values" are the ones too often outed as closet gays or showing an unhealthy interest in very young ladies. Just recently there was one who ran a "gay conversion" programme outed as gay himself. There was another loudly anti gay dude caught in the act in his office.

[Laava]

Colin Craig is in danger of being ruled a vexatious litigant. But no, he was not the Christian conservative party leader who got jailed for kiddie fiddling.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Capill


It's similar in the USA, the politicians mouthing off about "family values" are the ones too often outed as closet gays or showing an unhealthy interest in very young ladies. Just recently there was one who ran a "gay conversion" programme outed as gay himself. There was another loudly anti gay dude caught in the act in his office.
Funny how the religious leaders are often the worst kind of role models and outright hypocrites! Hmmm, wonder what the common denominator is?...
Was wondering, when the AB's were bellowing their way through the national anthem, when we will remove all reference to a god...won't be before time.

[austingtir]

Colin Craig is in danger of being ruled a vexatious litigant. But no, he was not the Christian conservative party leader who got jailed for kiddie fiddling.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Capill


It's similar in the USA, the politicians mouthing off about "family values" are the ones too often outed as closet gays or showing an unhealthy interest in very young ladies. Just recently there was one who ran a "gay conversion" programme outed as gay himself. There was another loudly anti gay dude caught in the act in his office.


Sounds like you just discribed Obama and Bill Clinton to a T to me.

[pritch]

Sounds like you just discribed Obama and Bill Clinton to a T to me.

That's just too stupid for words. Back on ignore you go.

[austingtir]

That's just too stupid for words. Back on ignore you go.


Coming from the guy that brings up totally irrelevant shit post after post thats a blessing.

[Laava]

That's just too stupid for words. Back on ignore you go.
Dear Pritch, can you please stop quoting this clown so I don't have to see his awkward attempts at relevance. Thank you.

[pritch]

Dear Pritch, can you please stop quoting this clown so I don't have to see his awkward attempts at relevance. Thank you.

Wilco. Normally I don’t see his bilge - but for when he is quoted. Just momentarily he made sense, of a sort, but it was very short lived.

[husaberg]

Wilco. Normally I don’t see his bilge - but for when he is quoted. Just momentarily he made sense, of a sort, but it was very short lived.

rumour is Katman is giving him Green thumb on a daily basis.

Note
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/178017-The-American-(USA)-2016-presidential-elections-thread?p=1131142613#post1131142613

[austingtir]

Katman is giving him Green thumb up on a daily basis.

http://i.imgur.com/OFR966F.gif

[sidecar bob]

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/400706/former-air-nz-boss-christopher-luxon-to-throw-hat-in-ring-to-stand-in-botany-electorate

[Swoop]

Gee if only you were not talking utter bollocks.
massive borrowing who does that oh national does the actual facts say Labour government pay off debt.

That's what I've said all along. The savings were completely and utterly wasted when the cunts were booted out, when they purchased a broken trainset.

Then there is the "borrowing" topic, where economists say it is good to borrow money at the moment. Not surprising due to the way it's being thrown around to buy votes in the Norf...

[husaberg]

That's what I've said all along. The savings were completely and utterly wasted when the cunts were booted out, when they purchased a broken trainset.

Then there is the "borrowing" topic, where economists say it is good to borrow money at the moment. Not surprising due to the way it's being thrown around to buy votes in the Norf...

Provide the factual evidence to back up what you said or fornicate off.
Nz has a budget surplus not a deficient. we are not borrowing money that the national policy borrow give out toys we cant afford, run down healthcare and get another party to pay it off later
Hint their is a reason you are attempting to change the subject
You got caught talking utter bollocks.......




She or the liarbour gubbinment have not achieved anything, except massive borrowing of debt to pay for all the bullshit promises they made to get elected.
Housing crisis solved = no.
"child poverty" solved = no.
Kiwibuild = utter failure.

Then we have the lunatics aligned with them, with Lunatic Fringe party wanting to ban cars and NZ first roaming around like a demented Robin Hood distributing money to the pet projects and vote-buying nonsense in the regions.

No wonder business confidence slumped.



Gee if only you were not talking utter bollocks.
massive borrowing who does that oh national does the actual facts say Labour government pay off debt.
Either learn some facts or Go push your lies elsewhere
https://thestandard.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/NZ-debt-CLark-Key-comparison.jpg

https://d3fy651gv2fhd3.cloudfront.net/charts/new-zealand-government-debt-to-gdp.png?s=nzldebt2gdp&v=201905131010V20190821&d1=20140101&d2=20191231
New Zealand Government Net Debt to GDP

[austingtir]

About those polls and graphs Husatwerp seems to reference with every post....

https://scontent.fakl8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/72298736_10158952270499745_816999257549570048_n.jp g?_nc_cat=106&_nc_oc=AQkGoU3n3wpl9-qHsRiuXQhRIJ3K7WIamk8Cjp-pMNnM3DWwj-pfG2no3aecO0Ejyqo&_nc_ht=scontent.fakl8-1.fna&oh=a508f01be2d3bec373def9303f4ed247&oe=5E61ED9D

[Swoop]

Provide the factual evidence to back up what you said or fornicate off.
Nz has a budget surplus not a deficient. we are not borrowing money that the national policy borrow give out toys we cant afford, run down healthcare and get another party to pay it off later
Hint their is a reason you are attempting to change the subject
You got caught talking utter bollocks.......
You have a short memory, as it was when Heilen Klerke and that cunt Cullen got the boot, wasting all the surplusses on their way out.
It's quite a bit different to our current situation... apart from liarbour fucking things up with their un-keepable promises made to delude gullible voters they had "all the answers" to the nation's problems.

But, as we know, they lie to get into power...

[husaberg]

You have a short memory, as it was when Heilen Klerke and that cunt Cullen got the boot, wasting all the surplusses on their way out.
It's quite a bit different to our current situation... apart from liarbour fucking things up with their un-keepable promises made to delude gullible voters they had "all the answers" to the nation's problems.

But, as we know, they lie to get into power...

Tell you what you produe some proof of your latest claims :lol:
Because you come on here about every two weeks make up a heap of crap get proven wrong.
So if what you are saying is true proving it shouldn't be a issue?
I await your proof to substantiate your latest Asstickler like claims.......
Funny you left the NZ treasury graphs that proved you were talking bollocks of the post you replied to aye;)

[Swoop]

Tell you what you produe some proof of your latest claims :lol:
Because you come on here about every two weeks make up a heap of crap get proven wrong.
So if what you are saying is true proving it shouldn't be a issue?
I await your proof to substantiate your latest Asstickler like claims.......
Funny you left the NZ treasury graphs that proved you were talking bollocks of the post you replied to aye;)

You're the one with the "link" fascination and a typical kiwi short memory...

[husaberg]

You're the one with the "link" fascination and a typical kiwi short memory...

So you have no evidence yet again to back up your assertions, odd position to be in repeatedly, unless you insist on talking utter bollocks ........................

[jasonu]

So you have no evidence yet again to back up your assertions, odd position to be in repeatedly, unless you insist on talking utter bollocks ........................

That Lees Galloway bloke is doing a bang up job...

[Katman]

….odd position to be in repeatedly........

Not as odd as the position you put yourself in repeatedly.

[husaberg]

Not as odd as the position you put yourself in repeatedly.

Oddly your traditional position is stationed outside the Taupo park public toilets bent over.
What are you worried about with Swoop posting delusional crap. About a subject he knows little about, are you worried hes infringing the Katman trademark ..............

But i digress, so you can produce evidence to back up swoops assertions then or can Jason because Swoop clearly cant.
Although as you three are "eggs". The need to produce evidence to need to back up statements you make as being factual, with facts, just doesn't really seem to be as obvious as it does to other people.

[sidecar bob]

Stupid cunts. It's about as relevant here as most of the other crap.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/lifestyle/2019/10/doctors-warn-women-to-stop-putting-toothpaste-in-their-vaginas.html

[sidecar bob]

This is worth a look. So much for the budget surplus.
I'm sure there are a few on here that know more about it than Roger Douglas though.
Now watch someone come on here & shoot the messenger.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/10/government-surplus-should-actually-be-a-30-billion-deficit-sir-roger-douglas.html

[Laava]

A budget surplus is never going to be anything else but spindoctoring.
Don't all govts do this? You announce a surplus when you want to make it look like you are succeeding and then announce a massive debt when you want to blame and make a previous govt look bad. Nothing new here...

[jasonu]

Stupid cunts. It's about as relevant here as most of the other crap.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/lifestyle/2019/10/doctors-warn-women-to-stop-putting-toothpaste-in-their-vaginas.html

I heard if you rub colgate on your arsehole you get a ring of confidence...

(Must be old enough to remember Mrs Marsh to get the joke).

[jasonu]

This is worth a look. So much for the budget surplus.
I'm sure there are a few on here that know more about it than Roger Douglas though.
Now watch someone come on here & shoot the messenger.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/10/government-surplus-should-actually-be-a-30-billion-deficit-sir-roger-douglas.html

'The disadvantaged, in my view at least, need the kind of help that puts people back on their feet, able to make a contribution and make gains for themselves by what they do.'

Fucking outrages to expect the recipients of hard working tax payer funded government handouts to actually use the handouts to better themselves.

[husaberg]

This is worth a look. So much for the budget surplus.
I'm sure there are a few on here that know more about it than Roger Douglas though.
Now watch someone come on here & shoot the messenger.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/10/government-surplus-should-actually-be-a-30-billion-deficit-sir-roger-douglas.html

A couple of things Bob
Labour is using the same accounting system that National did previously.
Under the same system thought National Act continuation ran repeated budget deficits were they had to borrow money to 8 out of 9 years.
While at the same time not contributing a cent to the National super scheme.
Now one of the former leaders of act say laboutr should be contributing more to national super.:killingme

[sidecar bob]

A couple of things Bob
Labour is using the same accounting system that National did previously.
Under the same system thought National Act continuation ran repeated budget deficits were they had to borrow money to 8 out of 9 years.
While at the same time not contributing a cent to the National super scheme.
Now one of the former leaders of act say laboutr should be contributing more to national super.:killingme

Thank fuck someone smarter than Roger Douglas turned up to give the argument a bit of balance.
But I'm going to need a link & a graph so you can prove you're not pulling that out of your arse to protect your girlfriend.

[Ocean1]

a bit of balance.

Eh?........

[husaberg]

Thank fuck someone smarter than Roger Douglas turned up to give the argument a bit of balance.
But I'm going to need a link & a graph so you can prove you're not pulling that out of your arse to protect your girlfriend.

If you read the article its what it says thats, its why he is not comparing the Labour government to the National predecessor.
https://treasury.govt.nz/sites/default/files/2018-07/trsy-instruc-18.pdf
He's compared labour vs Labour 40 years ago.
Don't you think if there was a true deficit it would be being shouted via the National party.
Especially considering no one else could find the deficient including ever economist asked in the budget pre election.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/09/economist-consensus-there-s-no-11-7b-hole-in-labour-s-budget.html


What ele has Ol rodger said
In his maiden speech, in which he argued against foreign investment in the domestic economy. Yet
Rodgers only formal qualification is an accounting degree which took him 5 years.


Under Rodgernomics NZ experienced a decade of insignificant (and sometimes negative) growth with the "economic miracle" being experienced by only a relatively small proportion of the population
Between 1985 and 1992, New Zealand's economy grew by 4.7% during the same period in which the average OECD nation grew by 28.2%
With no restrictions on overseas money coming into the country the focus in the economy shifted from the productive sector to finance.Finance capital outstripped industrial capital and redundancies occurred in manufacturing industry; approximately 76,000 manufacturing jobs were lost between 1987 and 1992

[sidecar bob]

Phew, see, i knew you would make it all good again.
Jacinda is going to need you next year. Send her a link to this thread, you wil be enployed no questions asked.

[austingtir]

Phew, see, i knew you would make it all good again.
Jacinda is going to need you next year. Send her a link to this thread, you wil be enployed no questions asked.

Husatwerp and the tooth monster are going to have to get their rogue CCP controlled MP under control first!!


https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/116715353/labour-mp-raymond-huo-says-his-party-is-falling-behind-on-dealings-with-china


This is fucking hilarious he's come out saying JK was better for China/NZ relations.... LMFAO!!!!


Jacinda and co obviously arent communist enough!!!
Horsecinda just uses her usual line when either one of the coalition mps is going rogue or her own "he's stating a personal opinion"....

No Jacinda he's saying you havent been sucking enough CCP cock!!

[husaberg]

Phew, see, i knew you would make it all good again.
Jacinda is going to need you next year. Send her a link to this thread, you wil be enployed no questions asked.

No need to make good again what never occurred
So Bob was your take correct on Rodger then? You seem to have not covered that.
Did national indeed use the same accounting procedure that nearly all other countries also use.
Not sure re labour but if you stump up 100K you can be a Nat List MP
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Or there was an few vacancies the Colin Craig couldn't fill

[sidecar bob]

Husatwerp and the tooth monster are going to have to get their rogue CCP controlled MP under control first!!


https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/116715353/labour-mp-raymond-huo-says-his-party-is-falling-behind-on-dealings-with-china


This is fucking hilarious he's come out saying JK was better for China/NZ relations.... LMFAO!!!!


Jacinda and co obviously arent communist enough!!!
Horsecinda just uses her usual line when either one of the coalition mps is going rogue or her own "he's stating a personal opinion"....

No Jacinda he's saying you havent been sucking enough CCP cock!!

Don't you just love her trademark "head tilted interested look" in that article?
If she could stop moving her head like a turkey when she's talking & not pronounce opportunity as "oppachewniddy" I'd find her a tad more palatable, kiwibuild fuck up & all.

[sidecar bob]

No need to make good again what never occurred
So Bob was your take correct on Rodger then? You seem to have not covered that.
Did national indeed use the same accounting procedure that nearly all other countries also use.
Not sure re labour but if you stump up 100K you can be a Nat List MP
343449343450
Or there was an few vacancies the Colin Craig couldn't fill

I asked you to prove they weren't using a different system, but you have turned that one around.
So are they or aren't they? Or are they using "creative accounting practices"?

[jasonu]

If she could stop moving her head like a turkey when she's talking & not pronounce opportunity as "oppachewniddy" I'd find her a tad more palatable, kiwibuild fuck up & all.

It’ll take a shit load more than that.

[sidecar bob]

It’ll take a shit load more than that.

I appreciate that, but it would be a good place to start, it will certainly go some way to reducing the level of irritation I feel as I press mute on the television.

[husaberg]

I asked you to prove they weren't using a different system, but you have turned that one around.
So are they or aren't they? Or are they using "creative accounting practices"?

Bob i posted a link to the NZ treasury document that clearly states they are using the same system as the previous government.
its in section 2.3 but dont let that fact get in the way of what you want to convey.
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i also said its clear, that when you read rodgers piece its comparing the system he used 40 years ago to the current one used by treasury at no time in the article does he state its a different system thwen the previous National government used.
Not ones at all. Yet you think that is what is being conveyed somehow, so what does that say about your own personal bias?

[roogazza]

Don't you just love her trademark "head tilted interested look" in that article?
If she could stop moving her head like a turkey when she's talking & not pronounce opportunity as "oppachewniddy" I'd find her a tad more palatable, kiwibuild fuck up & all.

343463 woman of a thousand expressions,I'm hopin an election will cure it?

[sidecar bob]

Bob i posted a link to the NZ treasury document that clearly states they are using the same system as the previous government.
its in section 2.3 but dont let that fact get in the way of what you want to convey.
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i also said its clear, that when you read rodgers piece its comparing the system he used 40 years ago to the current one used by treasury at no time in the article does he state its a different system thwen the previous National government used.
Not ones at all. Yet you think that is what is being conveyed somehow, so what does that say about your own personal bias?

That I am probably more interested in motorbikes & what's happening in the room & don't read your links & only come on here to wind people up?
You keep painting me as a National supporter, I'm not that interested in either party, I'm just calling their bullshit & I'll do it to team blue when they get in next election.
You can be sure you will never see "Jacindamania" ever again, she's been caught out too many times.

[husaberg]

That I am probably more interested in what's happening in the room & don't read your links & only come on here to wind people up?
You keep painting me as a National supporter, I'm not that interested in either party, I'm just calling their bullshit & I'll do it to team blue when they get in next election.
You can be sure you will never see "Jacindamania" ever again, she's been caught out too many times.

Lets see. You claimed, i changed the subject and i was wrong, only its turns out you were wrong and now seek to change the subject yourself. Odd that you still think that you have some superiority in the mater.
Being as you were wrong about what you posted and then were wrong again about me correcting you oand then were wrong that i had provided evidence you were wrong.

That many wrongs from Towelwonga would cost the molgolilan horse company $850,000 broken down into 5k donations of course.

[sidecar bob]

Lets see. You claimed, i changed the subject and i was wrong, only its turns out you were wrong and now seek to change the subject yourself. Odd that you still think that you have some superiority in the mater.
Being as you were wrong about what you posted and then were wrong again about me correcting you oand then were wrong that i had provided evidence you were wrong.

That many wrongs from Towelwonga would cost the molgolilan horse company $850,000 broken down into 5k donations of course.
Superiority in the matter?
Hi mr pot, meet mr kettle:yawn:

[jasonu]

Bob i posted a link to the NZ treasury document that clearly states they are using the same system as the previous government.
its in section 2.3 but dont let that fact get in the way of what you want to convey.
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i also said its clear, that when you read rodgers piece its comparing the system he used 40 years ago to the current one used by treasury at no time in the article does he state its a different system thwen the previous National government used.
Not ones at all. Yet you think that is what is being conveyed somehow, so what does that say about your own personal bias?

You forget that no one except maybe Prick reads your endless graphs and mega copy and pastes.

[husaberg]

Superiority in the matter?
Hi mr pot, meet mr kettle:yawn:

Mr Kettle was far to hot to trot it seems running arround making baseless allegations
But seeing as i was clearly right and you were clearly wrong in your assertions.
Plus as i also had provided the evidence that proved i was right ,that you later claimed i had not.
I do believe i can claim the high ground on this one Napoleon.
brassicacauli You putting the turnip cart before the horse it seems was pure folly.
You should learn to use your swede before galloping about casting nasturtiums.

[sidecar bob]

Mr Kettle was far to hot to trot it seems running arround making baseless allegations
But seeing as i was clearly right and you were clearly wrong in your assertions.
Plus as i also had provided the evidence that proved i was right ,that you later claimed i had not.
I do believe i can claim the high ground on this one Napoleon.
brassicacauli You putting the turnip cart before the horse it seems was pure folly.
You should learn to use your swede before galloping about casting nasturtiums.

Yes yes, you were right & I was wrong.
Christ man, go outside & get some fresh air & sunshine before you get scurvy or some shit.
Ive damn near assembeled an entire ZX10R in the time you have been proving me wrong.

[husaberg]

Yes yes, you were right & I was wrong.
Christ man, go outside & get some fresh air & sunshine before you get scurvy or some shit.
Ive damn near assembled an entire ZX10R in the time you have been proving me wrong.
Bob i proved you wrong in less than a minute pumpkin, getting you to face up to being wrong, was what took the time.
The root of the issue was you were beeting around the bush.
But how is it that you were conned into posting something so easily squashed buttercup?
you should be able to sort the wheat from the chaff but what chance do the the likes of asstinkler and jason have of reaching an informed opinion
When they clearly cant use their melons at all?

How was it it never cropped up previously. In that jones never wrote the same article about the previous government, when they used the exact same method of displaying accounts?
This is just the tip of the iceberg you need not be a rocket scientist to figure out his opinion on this subject wasn't worth a hill of beans as he has in grained hatred for the labour party.

[sidecar bob]

Bob i proved you wrong in less than a minute pumpkin, getting you to face up to being wrong, was what took the time.
The root of the issue was you were beeting around the bush.
But how is it that you were conned into posting something so easily squashed buttercup?
you should be able to sort the wheat from the chaff but what chance do the the likes of asstinkler and jason have of reaching an informed opinion
When they clearly cant use their melons at all?

How was it it never cropped up previously. In that jones never wrote the same article about the previous government, when they used the exact same method of displaying accounts?
This is just the tip of the iceberg you need not be a rocket scientist to figure out his opinion on this subject wasn't worth a hill of beans as he has in grained hatred for the labour party.

The saddest part is that you think I care.

[husaberg]

The saddest part is that you think I care.
Are you going to kale it quits. It was utter horseradish

[austingtir]

What was that I just saw on the news the coalition have messed up another project = rail to the airport....

I would act surprised but this was already a theme with this bunch of looser's.

[Ocean1]

The saddest part is that you think I care.

It's a toss up, it's also pretty fucking pathetic that he believes he's right.

[austingtir]

I would say I feel bad for Aucklanders... but they voted for this marxist twice!!

https://scontent.fakl8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/74459826_10159096399822907_1713693084975366144_n.j pg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_oc=AQn81MXAvt0EO1RnG1BawG5tx3xpjIYBjzgvdi1p8wF NdAFN1cDi0tDvJkX3TfJxJDg&_nc_ht=scontent.fakl8-1.fna&oh=78dad74ff9d7d29b197ca460d4be737c&oe=5E630B85

[austingtir]

I wonder if this would work here? (not srs)

https://scontent.fakl8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/74300410_1310572892449627_519637579063099392_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=100&_nc_oc=AQnx-odYaNIdknCtVGqcwfJDBwrCFy2cDY84pHf4eSB29-WWqWumzWrI6Hqby_LPwgg&_nc_ht=scontent.fakl8-1.fna&oh=9dd3f8abbdaeed3ad557fce845a1eb48&oe=5E2AECA1








Semi srs...

[sidecar bob]

It's a toss up, it's also pretty fucking pathetic that he believes he's right.

I'm just having a poke & posting a few links, I couldn't care wether I was right, wrong or Santa Claus, I feel bad that someone is wasting valuable family time arguing with me.

[husaberg]

It's a toss up, it's also pretty fucking pathetic that he believes he's right.

Go on then show me how Treasury was lying saying that the previous government used the same system.
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https://treasury.govt.nz/sites/default/files/2018-07/trsy-instruc-18.pdf
Unless you are a pathetic blowhard egg who is talking shit, it should be very easy.
when you have done that go ahead and show the exact sentence where Rodger compares the accounting system to the system the immediately previous national government used.
Where says alludes confers or gives any indiation it was a different system that labour now use.
Rather than comparing it to one Labour use now with the one they used nearly 40 years ago.
This all should be really easy, if i are the one, rather than you talking crap.

[mashman]

I'm just having a poke & posting a few links, I couldn't care wether I was right, wrong or Santa Claus, I feel bad that someone is wasting valuable family time arguing with me.

Obviously you don't feel bad at all if you're trying to drag them back again just to argue? I hope you didn't neglect your family whilst you were becoming so successful. That'd make you a hypocrite.... oh and :killingme just coz.

[sidecar bob]

Obviously you don't feel bad at all if you're trying to drag them back again just to argue? I hope you didn't neglect your family whilst you were becoming so successful. That'd make you a hypocrite.... oh and :killingme just coz.

Is that really what you think? He comes back of his own free will, don't try to make that my fault. "Others are responsible for my behaviour" that's a fantastic cop out attitude.

[Banditbandit]

I would say I feel bad for Aucklanders... but they voted for this marxist twice!!



Marxist huh - made me fall about laughing ..

You do realize that every time you talk about Media Propaganda you are quoting Marxist thought - from Marx to Gramsci to Luckas to Horkheimer and Habermas ... (among others) ...

No, you're too dumb to realize that ...

[mashman]

Is that really what you think? He comes back of his own free will, don't try to make that my fault. "Others are responsible for my behaviour" that's a fantastic cop out attitude.

No, that isn't what I think... How do you know they kids aren't in bed or with friends or doing something that doesn't demand parental time? and that during that time that individual spends their precious time, that could spent on things like riding motorcycles or making airfix models to shoot the shit out of etc..., trying to offer information to a dumbstruck public that is pivotal to the future of his/her family and the family of every individual on the planet etc... Sounds like a caring human being to me. Then again they could indeed just be a cunt, but hey, that's the internet for ya. You read posts how you are... but you do get to choose who you are and who you lay in to and in what way. Cheap shots bro... coz you did bait 'em and have a crack at how he/her spends his time caring for his/her family, and I wholly agree that their logging in is not your problem. T'was just an irony that I thought I'd point out. Love you Bob.

[TheDemonLord]

No, that isn't what I think... How do you know they kids aren't in bed or with friends or doing something that doesn't demand parental time? and that during that time that individual spends their precious time, that could spent on things like riding motorcycles or making airfix models to shoot the shit out of etc..., trying to offer information to a dumbstruck public that is pivotal to the future of his/her family and the family of every individual on the planet etc... Sounds like a caring human being to me. Then again they could indeed just be a cunt, but hey, that's the internet for ya. You read posts how you are... but you do get to choose who you are and who you lay in to and in what way. Cheap shots bro... coz you did bait 'em and have a crack at how he/her spends his time caring for his/her family, and I wholly agree that their logging in is not your problem. T'was just an irony that I thought I'd point out. Love you Bob.

Airfix Models are awesome.

[austingtir]

Marxist huh - made me fall about laughing ..

You do realize that every time you talk about Media Propaganda you are quoting Marxist thought - from Marx to Gramsci to Luckas to Horkheimer and Habermas ... (among others) ...

No, you're too dumb to realize that ...


https://i.imgur.com/IiMXsTQ.png

[Banditbandit]

https://i.imgur.com/IiMXsTQ.png

I might agree with the first three - but Goff - that's laughable ..

And he just got re-elected - sorry - your sorry arse is in the minority in this country ..

[Swoop]

What are you worried about with Swoop posting delusional crap. About a subject he knows little about, are you worried hes infringing the Katman trademark ...

I laughingly respond with the Katman reply... "do some fucking research".
I'd also add that you fall into the normal kiwi mentality of being exceptionally short minded politically.

[husaberg]

I laughingly respond with the Katman reply... "do some fucking research".
I'd also add that you fall into the normal kiwi mentality of being exceptionally short minded politically.

You make a heap of unsubstantiated claims without any evidence to back them up, nothing new there for you or Ocean or JasonU.
You claim Kiwis are short minded, interesting thing for someone who can't even back up the most claims he makes.
Kiwis rank 10 places ahead of the US in IQ. Which is hardly surprising. WorldData.info
I guess most kiwis like proof of claims rather than a "religious belief" like you have in what you say.
I Have asked you repeatedly to back up a number of claims you have made you always fail to provide any evidence at all just further baslles accusations
It appears you just don't have the mental acuity to figure out if you cant prove it its unlikely to be true.

[austingtir]

https://thebfd.co.nz/2019/10/the-parrot-and-the-princess-a-tale-of-two-attacks/

Well, she finally managed to hide those teeth.... except somehow she manged to look worse!!!!

https://thebfd.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/cindy-dogface_The_BFD.jpg

[austingtir]

Everyone knew she was lying:

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/opinion/heather-du-plessis-allan-we-must-question-jacinda-arderns-honesty-over-labour-sexual-assault-allegations/

Is she even going to make it to the 2020 election?... oh wait i forgot about babies and marriage.... she might have to bring that marriage forward and get clarke to do the business but he's got a problem on his hands if that photo above is anything to go by!

[austingtir]

And Aucklanders will just ignore this like "nothing to see here" We only have chinese with direct links to the CCP all throughout NZ vying for political positions...

Auckland's Chinese councillor Paul Young launches campaign urging Asians to 'vote for ourselves'.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12279645


We all know the outrage that would occur if a white person suggested we must all vote for ourselves....


Why does it seem like a healthy amount of non whites are so tribal?

So we are beginning to see a clear distinction in NZ where Indians are voting for indians, Chinese are voting for chinese, Maori are voting for Maori, whites are voting for?


"Many in the Chinese communities come from countries where there is no such thing as voting, and winning Howick not once, but twice, is my way of showing them that their vote makes a difference."

Funny that.

[austingtir]

Australia seems to of woken up or more obviously got a few nudges from the USA to wake up. When are we going to?

https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/australasia/article/3034127/chinese-billionaire-huang-xiangmo-claims-persecution-dark

[Banditbandit]

Australia seems to of woken up or more obviously got a few nudges from the USA to wake up. When are we going to?

https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/australasia/article/3034127/chinese-billionaire-huang-xiangmo-claims-persecution-dark

Yeah - we should get rid of the Chinese spy trainer on the Nats benches - and stop Simple Simon being a paid mouthpiece for Communist China .

And you complain about Phil being a Marxist ...

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/09/simon-bridges-sings-communist-party-s-praises-in-interview-in-china.html

[austingtir]

Yeah - we should get rid of the Chinese spy trainer on the Nats benches - and stop Simple Simon being a paid mouthpiece for Communist China .

And you complain about Phil being a Marxist ...

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/09/simon-bridges-sings-communist-party-s-praises-in-interview-in-china.html

Holy shit we actually agree on something!

Im not a National voter BTW

















And phil is still a marxist. All day long.

[Banditbandit]

Im not a National voter BTW

I never thought you were - you are further Right than any of them ...

I'll bet you are an ACT voter .... or are they too Liberal ?






And phil is still a marxist. All day long.

Hahahaha ..

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3f/27/f9/3f27f96c665f7561b14c11cb0c0ae02b.png

[austingtir]

I never thought you were - you are further Right than any of them ...

I'll bet you are an ACT voter .... or are they too Liberal ?







Hahahaha ..

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3f/27/f9/3f27f96c665f7561b14c11cb0c0ae02b.png



No, ACT are Nationals puppets which is why I would not vote for them + half their voters look like they are missing chromosomes like the greens.... I personally think National are practically centre left now (mainly due to them hanging around with communist chinese to much imo) so making out like im far right is just funny to me.

Im voting New Conservative because they are the only centre right party in NZ. The rest are all too socialist.

[austingtir]

??????


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=15&v=msrBPD71X-A


https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/117117258/showdown-between-prohong-kong-prochina-protesters-in-central-auckland


https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=177704401

The americans on that forum are right. America should do away with NZ as part of 5 eyes and canada too.

[sidecar bob]

Sounds like Jacinda may be doing some home renovating on the news tonight.
She was talking about bi ladderals.
It's T, not D you dopey sounding cunt.

[Ocean1]

Sounds like Jacinda may be doing some home renovating on the news tonight.
She was talking about bi ladderals.
It's T, not D you dopey sounding cunt.

But John Key....

[Katman]

It's T, not D you dopey sounding cunt.

Seriously, you're questioning her pronunciation while calling her a dopey sounding cunt?

[sidecar bob]

Seriously, you're questioning her pronunciation while calling her a dopey sounding cunt?

Yep, you're as sharp as a tack tonight.
Keep that up & we're not going to miss Husa.

[austingtir]

Sounds like Jacinda may be doing some home renovating on the news tonight.
She was talking about bi ladderals.
It's T, not D you dopey sounding cunt.


Its actually all that chinese CCP cock she's got stuck down her throat. Between her and National its like a competition to see how many kilometers of CCP cock they can hide.

Im honestly beginning to wonder if I should move to Hong Kong so I dont have to be in viewing distance of this debauchery.

You lot will be goosestepping like the chicoms in the above vid before the next election the way things are going.

[Swoop]

You make a heap of unsubstantiated claims without any evidence to back them up, nothing new there for you or Ocean or JasonU.
You claim Kiwis are short minded, interesting thing for someone who can't even back up the most claims he makes.
Kiwis rank 10 places ahead of the US in IQ. Which is hardly surprising. WorldData.info
I guess most kiwis like proof of claims rather than a "religious belief" like you have in what you say.
I Have asked you repeatedly to back up a number of claims you have made you always fail to provide any evidence at all just further baslles accusations
It appears you just don't have the mental acuity to figure out if you cant prove it its unlikely to be true.

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Berries]

Im honestly beginning to wonder if I should move to Hong Kong so I dont have to be in viewing distance of this debauchery.
I'll chip in the first $5.

[austingtir]

OK who wants to take bets on how much longer Simple Simon is going to last?

The complete cock gobbler just went along with Labour on the climate change amendment bill.

And his voters are fucking pissed off about it!! Heaps saying they are voting ACT or NEW CONSERVATIVE!

National has just made the same mistake as Winston first did and pissed off a massive swathe of their voters....



I reckon he wont last another 4 months.

[austingtir]

https://scontent.fakl8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s851x315/73211013_2770402966343817_2137655590300680192_n.jp g?_nc_cat=106&_nc_oc=AQleV315l43ld6doA-20CUBpcVCaw1w8pae0Ka6CRI7lID1uMqURXw3k6zj1tlLgdUk&_nc_ht=scontent.fakl8-1.fna&oh=5ffbc37078f5f8fdad707677932c69ad&oe=5E54AFD8

[austingtir]

So I guess we can conclude Simple Simon believes these "11 thousand scientists".... I mean when Mickey Mouse is among the 11k we have to take it sEriOuS...

rIghT gUyS!!!??????


https://twitter.com/swcrisis/status/1192393108455067648


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EIw7MnuXkAA7bxq.jpg

[Banditbandit]

https://scontent.fakl8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s851x315/73211013_2770402966343817_2137655590300680192_n.jp g?_nc_cat=106&_nc_oc=AQleV315l43ld6doA-20CUBpcVCaw1w8pae0Ka6CRI7lID1uMqURXw3k6zj1tlLgdUk&_nc_ht=scontent.fakl8-1.fna&oh=5ffbc37078f5f8fdad707677932c69ad&oe=5E54AFD8

Fell about laughing ..

You wouldn't have a fucking clue about The Frankfurt School - or even who was involved in it - I'll lay good money you have no idea that the school no longer exists as such - except as a historical stage of the development of human political philosophy - and has evolved into other forms ..

That's about as authentic (and as laughable) as the Protocols of Zion . ..

[Banditbandit]

So I guess we can conclude Simple Simon believes these "11 thousand scientists".... I mean when Mickey Mouse is among the 11k we have to take it sEriOuS...

rIghT gUyS!!!??????


https://twitter.com/swcrisis/status/1192393108455067648


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EIw7MnuXkAA7bxq.jpg

I believe that to be fake ... or at least not what little willie claims it to be ..

The list of signatories published by the Alliance of World Scientists does not look like that - you can find it here - from the alliance's own website ..

Dumbledor is NOT listed - nor are others on that fake list ....

Little willie - sucked in again ..

https://oup.silverchair-cdn.com/oup/backfile/Content_public/Journal/bioscience/PAP/10.1093_biosci_biz088/2/biz088_supplemental_file_s1.pdf?Expires=1576179320&Signature=PNJqhLgSv5I~PVcv2Bx6-sAAE3kyL5HJJwEwm92cwapRpL5nwdnC3KfO8O0d7TUNaX41ni3 OUXBhILj~JwQdzScTzha1NiiFRvdGTPi~XErnikCyCN5cgNgJq KfGXRGxbE6LyvHIWoXJyXXCej3vXgjL1wRozQesxyiqz8fQ3rZ dS0HN5iLb0k4tSJssp3m9RTEqaH~NxJ8qjZwWtmiM6YOdswtq9 nz1Owz0-hQwE0VIphiFXD0JpMK8Gm1NcfPmK6sn3lAR0vzf4Uf2PNo7ohX 091aexkbY-v4iaV17zgOxrMlPCsi8C-o4~~xwLcfASeuEtZ2ugKVqSh5MX6gQpg__&Key-Pair-Id=APKAIE5G5CRDK6RD3PGA

[austingtir]

^^Yeah because they removed it you retard.

What i posted is 100% legit.

[Banditbandit]

Yeah because they removed it you retard.

Fuck me .. so they changed to whole format of the list?


http://cdn-webimages.wimages.net/050fc67613821d4845093599d07203a9473254-wm.jpg?v=3

[austingtir]

^^Doubling down on stupid is a theme for you?


https://globalnews.ca/news/6138812/mickey-mouse-global-climate-emergency-letter/

[Katman]

Dumbledor is NOT listed - nor are others on that fake list ....

Then it would be fairly safe to assume that they are included in the 34 invalid names that have been removed from the list.

[austingtir]

Calling out the National supporters in here.

Whats the point in voting for a party thats in opposition but provides no actual opposition?

https://scontent.fakl8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s851x315/74701506_10156950911812909_6766265824278740992_n.j pg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_oc=AQnp43rTSSVH1sNy_xAi80iq_VDHNmCqDdatxDvlCie ZN5OMhVh0fb7fapgbV1PM68s&_nc_ht=scontent.fakl8-1.fna&oh=42747e6dfa2f66d8d8c47ecdb594e6da&oe=5E594BE7


If you people are not voting NEW CONSERVATIVE or ACT at the next election you are crazy!!

[onearmedbandit]

I believe that to be fake ... or at least not what little willie claims it to be ..

The list of signatories published by the Alliance of World Scientists does not look like that - you can find it here - from the alliance's own website ..



You do realise that on the very link you provided trying to disprove the 'fake names' it acknowledges that 34 fake names have been removed?

[austingtir]

You do realise that on the very link you provided trying to disprove the 'fake names' it acknowledges that 34 fake names have been removed?

Whats just as crazy to me is when you look at their actual job descriptions or experience most of them wont even be climate scientists or even related to that.


Also at the top it says 23000 subscribed.

I mean how many "scientists" do we have in NZ alone? Must be easily heading up towards the tens in thousands.

And then if you assume if any old joker can sign it I bet half of them are simply climate activists or students anyway. I can see atleast one student listed in the pic above too!!!


The whole thing is absurd.

[austingtir]

FYI

"New Conservative is concerned at this government's apparent disregard of the importance of our rural sector, especially our agricultural sector. These hard working people, far fewer in number by comparison, provide the backbone of our economy with more than 50% of our overseas income coming from rural industry. It leaves Tourism in the jet stream as far as an income earner for the nation goes.

You may have seen the press release we did yesterday on this matter, as it is not only the ruling government that is supporting the Zero Carbon Bill, but the National Party as well. If you haven't seen it yet you can read it here.

On Wednesday of next week there is a peaceful gathering in Wellington being organised against all the stuff aimed at rural NZ, but in particular the Zero Carbon Bill, the loss of farms to forestry and the proposed water regulations. Three of us are travelling down from Auckland/Northland to be present as we want to let the farmers know they have our support, whether we are farmers or not. The organisers expect a large crowd.

The gathering will take place at 11am on Thursday 14th of November starting at Civic Square, before marching to Parliament arriving at 1pm. "

[Banditbandit]

You do realise that on the very link you provided trying to disprove the 'fake names' it acknowledges that 34 fake names have been removed?

Naaa .. I missed that one - I only really come here to taunt little willie ..

The serious discussions are boring and a waste of my time .

[Katman]

.. I missed that one ..

You seem to make a habit of that.

[Woodman]

FYI

"New Conservative is concerned at this government's apparent disregard of the importance of our rural sector, especially our agricultural sector. These hard working people, far fewer in number by comparison, provide the backbone of our economy with more than 50% of our overseas income coming from rural industry. It leaves Tourism in the jet stream as far as an income earner for the nation goes.

You may have seen the press release we did yesterday on this matter, as it is not only the ruling government that is supporting the Zero Carbon Bill, but the National Party as well. If you haven't seen it yet you can read it here.

On Wednesday of next week there is a peaceful gathering in Wellington being organised against all the stuff aimed at rural NZ, but in particular the Zero Carbon Bill, the loss of farms to forestry and the proposed water regulations. Three of us are travelling down from Auckland/Northland to be present as we want to let the farmers know they have our support, whether we are farmers or not. The organisers expect a large crowd.

The gathering will take place at 11am on Thursday 14th of November starting at Civic Square, before marching to Parliament arriving at 1pm. "

Tell the rural folk to stop being such princesses ffs. The zero carbon bill will affect all of us. Doing business unsustainably is going to finish in the future, get used to it. Climate change, habitat destruction and the biodiversity crisis are not a left wing or right wing thing, they are actual real things and need fixing.

[Banditbandit]

You seem to make a habit of that.

Yeah - I have a life ..

[Katman]

Yeah - I have a life ..

But not many clues to go with it, by the looks.

[Banditbandit]

But not many clues to go with it, by the looks.

I no longer take these discussions seriously - and commit no time to them at alll .. so it shows - gee - So Fucking What ..

[Oakie]

Calling out the National supporters in here.

Whats the point in voting for a party thats in opposition but provides no actual opposition?


If you people are not voting NEW CONSERVATIVE or ACT at the next election you are crazy!!

Being in opposition doesn't mean you have to oppose everything the government does. You can still 'keep them honest' and work to change parts of bills while not being opposed to the general idea of a bill (eg, Firearms, carbon emmissions). If you are automatically opposed to everything you'd become irrelevant after a while. A bit like some people on this forum actually.

[austingtir]

Being in opposition doesn't mean you have to oppose everything the government does. You can still 'keep them honest' and work to change parts of bills while not being opposed to the general idea of a bill (eg, Firearms, carbon emmissions). If you are automatically opposed to everything you'd become irrelevant after a while. A bit like some people on this forum actually.

And how many votes has simon just lost by supporting multiple pieces of rubbish legislation by labour?

I reckon atleast 15% of his vote just walked off to act and New Conservative. Not that im complaining im just pointing out the facts of what just happened!!
The Nats must think they are going to get that back from a few of the lemmings voting for the greens, labour and nzfirst but I doubt it.

You've got to stand for something in politics. Bridges is the most gutless National leader in history. Worse than Jenny Shipley by miles.

For instance me and my wife were nat voters until the election before last. She's now voting ACT and im voting NC. (there will be a few more arguments over that before the end of next year but as long she's not voting nat or any other party I dont really give a shit)

[sidecar bob]

Renters argue they should have the right to address complaints when facing something as disruptive as being removed from their home.
https://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/226852-landlords-rental-law-changes-will-hamper-eviction.html
Here's a surprise for them.
It's not actually their home, it belongs to the landlord.
Labour standing up for the downtrodden, deluded & entitled again.

[oldrider]

Renters argue they should have the right to address complaints when facing something as disruptive as being removed from their home.
https://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/226852-landlords-rental-law-changes-will-hamper-eviction.html
Here's a surprise for them.
It's not actually their home, it belongs to the landlord.
Labour standing up for the downtrodden, deluded & entitled again.

One bad landlord and the tenant looks for an alternative. - One bad tenant and the landlord loses his/her equity! - sounds fair? - :rolleyes:

[austingtir]

One bad landlord and the tenant looks for an alternative. - One bad tenant and the landlord loses his/her equity! - sounds fair? - :rolleyes:

Exactly, Tenants already had more than enough rights.

My grandfather used to have a few rentals and the stories I could tell about some of the scumbag people you end up dealing with is unreal.

[austingtir]

Mike Hosking had Winnie cornered like a rat.....

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12286662

Winnie doing his best Sgt Shultz impression...

https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/1205609135.jpg


Unlike Trump in the states I think the media may actually have the goods on winnie this time.... 10 years ago winnie would of batted those question for 6. He's looking and sounding pretty senile these days.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/in-depth/403392/nz-first-linked-forestry-company-wanted-95m-in-govt-funding

[austingtir]

“ calling a reporter psycho probably isn't what a Deputy Prime Minister should be doing. But then this isn't any Deputy Prime Minister and this isn't any government.

Sadly, reporters of a certain persuasion tend to get a wee bit ahead of themselves and see their role as slightly more important than it is.

What's important here is that Winston Peters, who's party is in government and is directly in charge of handing out certain funds to certain projects, has a spectacular conflict of interest when it came to a business called Future Forests Products.

That has a founding director called Brian Henry, who is Peters' lawyer. And has another director called Jan Trotman, who is Peters' partner.

They made bids for money from two government run programmes both run by Shane Jones, a Minister in the party Peters runs, and the government Peters is the Deputy Prime Minister of. I only explain this so painstakingly, so as to point out, just how glaringly dodgy this is.

Peters' defence appears to be, the applications they made to the One Billion Trees Programme and the Provincial Growth Fund were unsuccessful, therefore there is nothing to see here.

What is conveniently forgotten, is the question, what if they were successful? Would there still be nothing to see here? Why did they bid unless they hoped to be successful? And in making their bid, and presuming they were potentially going to be successful, what were they going to say when the inevitable avalanche of questions were going to be asked?

Let's ask some of those questions now.

Does a company that is run by the Deputy Prime Minister's lawyer and partner getting taxpayer money from a couple of funds set up as a direct result of the party the aforementioned Deputy Prime Minister is also the head of, strike any of us as slightly dubious?

Would, under most circumstances, questions be raised if programmes, in this case two, ere set up as a direct result of a party coming to power, and members, in this case the most senior member, being a direct or indirect beneficiary of said fund?

Now, Shane Jones saw a conflict here, no kidding, and stood aside from the decision making process. The final call was left to Labour Cabinet Ministers who, perhaps not unsurprisingly, saw this for what it potentially was and declined the applications.

So given nothing actually came to pass, the argument from Peters is, no harm no foul.

But guess what? That’s bluster. The sort of bluster sadly we saw also last week in court when he was suing Anne Tolley and Paula Bennett for hundreds of thousands, only to watch that element of his lawsuit go up in smoke.

I assume I am not alone in thinking this sadly is a part of this government that continues to be such a profound disappointment. A minor party appearing to play fast and loose, with a major party inept and unwilling to do anything about it.

If you think what Peters, his lawyer, and his partner were attempting to do is above board and kosher, you're as psycho as Peters thinks the reporter is. “

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/video/mikes-minute-were-right-to-question-winston-peters/

[austingtir]

Why do politicians "foundations" ALWAYS turn out to be laundering money or be dodgy and why hasnt any of the media properly looked into Comrade Helens newly founded "foundation"?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/117529541/winston-peters-says-his-party-has-always-obeyed-electoral-law-after-new-revelations-about-foundation

[sidecar bob]

I'm wary of people that can't pronounce their job title.
Apparently on the news tonight, Jacinda belongs to a Poliddical Pardy.
I wish she wouldn't talk like an uneducated peasant.

[austingtir]

I'm wary of people that can't pronounce their job title.
Apparently on the news tonight, Jacinda belongs to a Poliddical Pardy.
I wish she wouldn't talk like an uneducated peasant.

Thats going to be tuff. Her work history basically consisted of running a foish and churps shop and sucking tony blairs cock.

[husaberg]

I'm wary of people that can't pronounce their job title.
Apparently on the news tonight, Jacinda belongs to a Poliddical Pardy.
I wish she wouldn't talk like an uneducated peasant.

Yeah compared to your local MP and leastter of the nashional puurty......
there i sa big difference between hashing on word and the shit way that Simon speaks with

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU77jTpaMSo

[austingtir]

Yeah compared to your local MP and leastter of the nashional puurty......
there i sa big difference between hashing on word and the shit way that Simon speaks with


Lets be honest here neither of them are leadership material.... Pretty scary stuff when neither major political party can put forward a credible leader....

And even the "saviour" national is trying to march through the ranks now luxon does not look like a vast improvement either (mainly because he's clearly just another corporate shill with an agenda like JK).

None of these people have the best interest's of NZ in the back of their mind.

[husaberg]

Lets be honest here neither of them are leadership material.... Pretty scary stuff when neither major political party can put forward a credible leader....

Even Simon's miles ahead of sex pest Colin Craig or whoever replaced him.
Whats a joke is you trying to say the NZ PM is not credible whilst crowing about Trump, what have you ever done Austin, she is a far more successful and accomplished person than you will ever dream to be.
Not to mention a far better human.

[austingtir]

Even Simon's miles ahead of sex pest Colin Craig or whoever replaced him.
Whats a joke is you trying to say the NZ PM is not credible whilst crowing about Trump, what have you ever done Austin, she is a far more successful and accomplished person than you will ever dream to be.
Not to mention a far better human.


Saying some dumb bint that used to run around calling all her mates comrade is a better leader than Trump?


You've lost pal

Jacinda is gone next year. The impeachment clown show is FINISIHED!!!!


Its going to be very enjoyable to watch the resident libtards on here provide endless saltmining opportunities for the rest of us on here over the next year while the labour party and the dems in the states FALL APART!!!


If Jacinda is actually smart she'll call a snap election in the next three months. But she's not so you lot are fucked.

[husaberg]

Saying some dumb bint that used to run around calling all her mates comrade is a better leader than Trump?


You've lost pal

Jacinda is gone next year. The impeachment clown show is FINISIHED!!!!


Its going to be very enjoyable to watch the resident libtards on here provide endless saltmining opportunities for the rest of us on here over the next year while the labour party and the dems in the states FALL APART!!!


If Jacinda is actually smart she'll call a snap election in the next three months. But she's not so you lot are fucked.

Maybe you might want to learn to read, Austin, i said she was far superior to you and has accomplished far more than you have or ever will,, it doesn't even need any comparison with Trunt, anyone with half a brain would notice shes far smarter and better educated and a far better human, its redundant even stating it.

If you are going to call her dumb, maybe you should provide some evidence to how you consider yourself are smarter than she is. Because its not apparent from what you post.

[sidecar bob]

Maybe you might want to learn to read, Austin, i said she was far superior to you and has accomplished far more than you have or ever will,

Can she weld? Tig, Mig, arc? If so, how good?

[austingtir]

Can she weld? Tig, Mig, arc? If so, how good?

Your wasting your time he thinks sucking Tony Blairs cock is an accomplishment.

[husaberg]

Can she weld? Tig, Mig, arc? If so, how good?

Yeah cause that's always what we look for in a PM or CEO.

[Swoop]

I'm wary of people that can't pronounce their job title.
Apparently on the news tonight, Jacinda belongs to a Poliddical Pardy.
I wish she wouldn't talk like an uneducated peasant.

Well, she has had her "wisdom" teeth removed...


Surely she should be getting some put in, since she's a fucking retarded dipshit.

[sidecar bob]

Yeah cause that's always what we look for in a PM or CEO.

A sign of intelligence is the ability to form words correctly, and also analyse your own speech, thoughts actions with a view to self improvement. Could you maybe mention it to her the next time you two are hanging out?

[husaberg]

A sign of intelligence is the ability to form words correctly, and also analyse your own speech, thoughts actions with a view to self improvement. Could you maybe mention it to her the next time you two are hanging out?
Odd because you were recently suggesting the prerequisite skills include the ability to successfully bond molten metals which is a very common trade world wide.
But seriously Bob are you suggesting you consider yourself to be both better spoken and more intelligent than the prime minister?
Because i would wager the opposite
What is hilarious is you making fun of the PM whist erstwhile ignoring how pathetic the Natonal party leader sounds.
Don't get me wrong Trump has proven even a chimp can be a leader of a country. provided the inhabitants are also lacking in intelligence to vote them as their leader

[TheDemonLord]

But seriously Bob are you suggesting you consider yourself to be both better spoken and more intelligent than the prime minister?


A Festering Dung Heap would fulfill both of those, and cause less damage to NZ.

[Ocean1]

A Festering Dung Heap would fulfill both of those, and cause less damage to NZ.

Oh she's articulate enough.

The problem isn't so much the quality of her dialogue as it's value.

[sidecar bob]

Odd because you were recently suggesting the prerequisite skills include the ability to successfully bond molten metals which is a very common trade world wide.
But seriously Bob are you suggesting you consider yourself to be both better spoken and more intelligent than the prime minister?
Because i would wager the opposite


Well if you had actually ever met me you would be in a better position to judge.
But yes, I'm quite confident that I don't speak like an uneducated peasant.
However, if she is unable to build reliable race bikes, perform three types of welding of reasonable quality & operate a heavy vehicle then I must be smarter than her.
If your Postman got it as wrong as she gets it most days you would be on the phone to NZ Post quick smart.

[husaberg]

Well if you had actually ever met me you would be in a better position to judge.
But yes, I'm quite confident that I don't speak like an uneducated peasant.
However, if she is unable to build reliable race bikes, perform three types of welding of reasonable quality & operate a heavy vehicle then I must be smarter than her.
If your Postman got it as wrong as she gets it most days you would be on the phone to NZ Post quick smart.


Its all very well casting dispersion's about the performance of the PM, which you do so readily.
You have like Nation never once offered something positive.

As for your qualities as an international public speaker if you had these i would suggest that at your age they would already be reconized and being utilised worldwide
Just send a tape and i will play it to the population of NZ and get them to judge, how great thou are.
She became PM on the back of a positive campaign something, national can't and will never achieve.
One you will likely never get the votes or will put yoursel in the position to fail in a public election
Two you will never get to speack in front of thousands of world dignitaries at the UN or millions world wide
Non of the world wide news agencies have made fun of her vocabulary or accent or other quirks
Yet it was a constant theme with John keys many public gaffs.

[husaberg]

Well if you had actually ever met me you would be in a better position to judge.
But yes, I'm quite confident that I don't speak like an uneducated peasant.
However, if she is unable to build reliable race bikes, perform three types of welding of reasonable quality & operate a heavy vehicle then I must be smarter than her.
If your Postman got it as wrong as she gets it most days you would be on the phone to NZ Post quick smart.

Everyone Judge the two speakers for themselves.
#note one has more arms than a prosthetic's manufacturing plant yet not a peep out of Bob about his speaking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYYm1Swfb_w

[TheDemonLord]

Oh she's articulate enough.

The problem isn't so much the quality of her dialogue as it's value.

I believe the colloquial term is 'spouting Bullshit' - I refer back to my statement about Dung Heaps...

[jasonu]

Possibly the beginnings of yet another amateur hour Labour scandal?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12291430

[TheDemonLord]

Possibly the beginnings of yet another amateur hour Labour scandal?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12291430

And he's decided not to resign because reasons? Just like Nash, Just like Twyford

Apparently this is the 'new way of doing things' that Labour were talking about, which curiously looks an awful lot like the old way of doing things for a Corrupt bunch of Socialists.

[Katman]

Apparently this is the 'new way of doing things' that Labour were talking about, which curiously looks an awful lot like the old way of doing things for a Corrupt bunch of Socialists.

It actually looks no different to the way any government seems to do business.

[husaberg]

2018 Ross alleged during a live press conference that Bridges was a corrupt politician who had violated electoral law several times, including accepting an illegal NZ$100,000 donation from Chinese businessman Zhang Yikun.
after Bridges denied it a tape recording was released. In which Bridges was heard to weight up the cost of buying an list MP positions with donations

In August 2015, Michael Woodhouse the last National imigration minister caused controversy when he released a list of 57 high risk industries for his Health an Safety Reform Bill. This list was mocked by the Opposition because worm farming and mini golf were deemed "high risk", while dairy and cattle farming were not., Iain Lees-Galloway, said Woodhouse "can’t worm his way out of this. He will be forever ridiculed as the Minister who made killer worm farms safer but failed to protect people working in some of New Zealand's most dangerous industries.

June 2015
National MP Todd Barclay is accused of making a clandestine recording of Glenys Dickson, one of his staff, To cover up this scandle Bill English offering her a hush payment from former Prime Minister John Key's leader's budget. Bill english lies that he was unaware of the situation but is forced to back track when its later revealed he send hundreds of test messages to Glenys about the subject.

June 2014 ACT Party leader John Banks is convicted of filing a false electoral return in 2010, recording donations known to come from Kim Dotcom as anonymous.

September:2010 ACT Party Member David Garrett, the primary party advocate on tougher sentences and ending name suppression in ongoing court cases, admits stealing the identity of a dead infant for the purpose of obtaining a passport 26 years prior.

In 2006, Coleman (then the National Party's associate health spokesman) As well as its immigration minister caused controversy when he accepted British American Tobacco's – an active lobbier on health sector issues – offer of sitting in their corporate box during a U2 concert. It was alleged he blew cigar smoke at a woman during the concert.

August: ACT Party MP Donna Awatere Huata is convicted on fraud charges involving a trust set up to help underprivileged Maori children
Bill Birch
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDrfSHxUMAAsrEp?format=jpg

Tuariki Delamere In late 1999, however, he lost his role as Minister of Immigration after a scandal regarding the application of immigration rules. Specifically, it emerged that Delamere had approved permanent residency for a group of Chinese businessmen provided they invested generously in various Māori development schemes. Delamere was widely criticised for using his authority to ensure that money was given to certain groups. Delamere himself claimed that his actions were a perfectly reasonable method of addressing Māori development needs. Although he lost the immigration portfolio, he retained his other roles.

1980 – Minister of Agriculture Duncan MacIntyre gave a Marginal Land Boards loan to his daughter and son-in-law.

1995–96 – The "Antoinette Beck" affair: National/New Zealand First MP Michael Laws resigns after being subject to a conflict of interest inquiry over employing a company partly owned by his wife to conduct a poll, signed off by a non-existent "Antoinette Beck

[jasonu]

But National...

So that makes it all OK for Chris Fa'afafine to use his office to help out his cuzzie bros.

[husaberg]

So that makes it all OK for Chris Fa'afafine to use his office to help out his cuzzie bros.

Perhaps you will point to where i said suggested or mentioned or even insinuated anything like that.
Of course, when all these incidents occurred the same self appointed political commentators on this thread (yourself included) were all baying for the National party or National party coalitions MP's to be fired? Yet where you all?
Otherwise if this was what really happened, and they said nothing sure it stands to reason these people would be utter hypocrites, wouldn't they?
IMO Fafoi should stand down, for even "offering" to provide special treatment, Simon Bridges should also resign for his grandstanding at this, saying if it was his MP he would be fired, while at the same time denying he did anything wrong with selling list MP positions and hiding political donations.

it would be almost like quoting a herald story now just as it says something that suits you after years of going on about how crap it is.

Fuckwit. You know nothing more than the NZ Herald feeds you.

I let pritch, the Herald and CNN do that.

It is if you get all your dirt from the Herald.

[pete376403]

So that makes it all OK for Chris Fa'afafine to use his office to help out his cuzzie bros.

But he didn't, did he? He might have given the friend the impression that he might be able to do something, but in the end he didn't. So at worst it's a broken promise, and most, if not all pollys do that at some time or another.

[jasonu]

But he didn't, did he? He might have given the friend the impression that he might be able to do something, but in the end he didn't. So at worst it's a broken promise, and most, if not all pollys do that at some time or another.

You are correct if his last press statement is true. I think he is full of shit. He got popped helping is mate backdoor style and now he is in cover up mode.

[TheDemonLord]

Perhaps you will point to where i said suggested or mentioned or even insinuated anything like that.
Of course, when all these incidents occurred the same self appointed political commentators on this thread (yourself included) were all baying for the National party or National party coalitions MP's to be fired? Yet where you all?
Otherwise if this was what really happened, and they said nothing sure it stands to reason these people would be utter hypocrites, wouldn't they?
IMO Fafoi should stand down, for even "offering" to provide special treatment, Simon Bridges should also resign for his grandstanding at this, saying if it was his MP he would be fired, while at the same time denying he did anything wrong with selling list MP positions and hiding political donations.

it would be almost like quoting a herald story now just as it says something that suits you after years of going on about how crap it is.

So, you are saying that due to inappropriate behavior, SB should resign if other MPs in Government should resign?

Okay - Deal.

You get Simon Bridges - I get:

Kris Faafoi
Phil Twyford
Stuart Nash
and for letting it all happen under her watch:
Jacinda Ardern.


Where do I sign up for the trade?

[jasonu]

If she's smart, which is highly debatable, the tooth monster would call an immediate snap election since White Island has taken all the attention away from the recent and not so recent Labour Party blunders.

[Laava]

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If she's smart, which is highly debatable, the tooth monster would call an immediate snap election since White Island has taken all the attention away from the recent and not so recent Labour Party blunders.
But that would be a dick move. She probably wouldn't even consider this option. This says a lot more about you than her.

[Swoop]

If she's smart, which is highly debatable, the tooth monster would call an immediate snap election since White Island has taken all the attention away from the recent and not so recent Labour Party blunders.

The budget is in the red again, by $900mil.


Shane Jones carted out of parliament in an ambulance. I guess he's starting to get worried about when his dodgy dealings "oop Norf" with the provincial growth fund, will become headline news.

[TheDemonLord]

But that would be a dick move. She probably wouldn't even consider this option. This says a lot more about you than her.

She hasn't shied away from other Dick Moves, so....

[jasonu]

She hasn't shied away from other Dick Moves, so....

I'm still waiting for her to come up with a cheesy White Island catch phrase. That and kissing babies is what she does best...

[Banditbandit]

You are correct if his last press statement is true. I think he is full of shit.

He's a politician isn't he? Stereotypical ...



He got popped helping is mate backdoor style and now he is in cover up mode.

No - he got popped making false promises to his mate - and he is not in cover up mode - he keeps repeating what a dumb thing it was to do ...

And yes, it is dumb making false promises to your friends and relations ....

[austingtir]

How you going to explain this Huza? Or any of you other half wits that were like "nothing to see here".

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12058818&fbclid=IwAR0Eg0U-gQ1LrsRwPhVocH7cBGyzTLkvuzGHaUyr4Vg0HhYV5u7SHs4PpK 4

[husaberg]

How you going to explain this Huza? Or any of you other half wits that were like "nothing to see here".

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12058818&fbclid=IwAR0Eg0U-gQ1LrsRwPhVocH7cBGyzTLkvuzGHaUyr4Vg0HhYV5u7SHs4PpK 4

Did you read the article? ther is a member of the Chinese communist party in the national party as an MP.
The bombshell testimony included claims from a former Central Intelligence Agency analyst that "anything on China that was briefed to Bill English was briefed to Mr Yang Jian", the National MP revealed last year as having trained spies for China.

National list MP Yang, who is best known in New Zealand for his former roles at military and intelligence universities in China, has travelled to Beijing with other leaders of New Zealand’s Chinese community.

He was one of many community leaders from New Zealand and other countries who attended the parade and an official reception at the historic Diaoyutai State Guesthouse.
But it comes amid a debate over Chinese government influence and interference in New Zealand, and hot on the heels of Bridges’ criticised visit to China.
Bridges, foreign affairs spokesman Gerry Brownlee and Yang visited China last month, where the National Party leader met with Guo Shengkun, a member of the Chinese Communist Party’s 25-man Politburo.

Following his return to New Zealand, Bridges was criticised for meeting the person in charge of the country’s secret police, particularly at a time when the CCP is detaining and surveilling Uighur Muslims.

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2019/10/02/838837/jian-yang-in-china-for-chinese-communist-party-celebrations
https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1909/S00206/on-the-attacks-on-nationals-relations-with-china.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jian_Yang_(politician)
https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1902/S00111/gordon-campbell-on-nationals-cosy-relationship-with-china.htm

[austingtir]

Did you read the article?
The bombshell testimony included claims from a former Central Intelligence Agency analyst that "anything on China that was briefed to Bill English was briefed to Mr Yang Jian", the National MP revealed last year as having trained spies for China.


https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1909/S00206/on-the-attacks-on-nationals-relations-with-china.htm



LMAO did you read the article?

Thats not a good thing!

Both Labour and National are doing it. As I stated correctly on here before. Raymond Huo is the elephant in the room for Labour.

Im not a Nats supporter.


Deflection is not going to work this time pal. Labour/Nat are both in the shit big time.

And I'll go even further on National. Simon's comments disgust me. He's a complete fucking disgrace.

[husaberg]

You would have to be a halfwit not to know, Both Labour and National are doing ite Raymond Huo is the elephant in the room for Labour.

Im not a Nats supporter. i like party's led by dicks like David Caphill and Colin Craig and David Seymour.
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You would have to have quadruple the generally accepted intelligence accredited to you, to became a halfwit.

[austingtir]

And probably on the same side of the coin of disgusting communist trash we have let into this country: Golriz continues to spout her idealistic BS even when another muslim appears to set her straight on that pos that got a rocket up his ass....

https://twitter.com/golrizghahraman/status/1213005813670793217?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcam p%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet