Lane splitting/filtering: the legal and commonsense answers

[Puffin' Billy]

My angst comes not from them being too far left for me to split. It's when they see me coming and intentionally move to close the space to split.

It actually annoys me more than when they change lanes last minute right in front of you because they didnt look. I expect this, i know it could happen anytime, they can't see me or they plain didn't look.
But this new lot that shut down the split. They've looked, awesome! they've seen me , even better. Then they move to purposely shut down the split. That's just a cock move

[yevjenko]

Not quite. Lets say you have a 3 lane motorway <snip>

Finally! Someone who gets it!

The amount of times I've had to explain this...

Good effort gremlin

[PrincessBandit]

My angst comes not from them being too far left for me to split. It's when they see me coming and intentionally move to close the space to split. ....They've looked, awesome! they've seen me , even better. Then they move to purposely shut down the split. That's just a cock move

Just the reality of traveling on a vehicle that has the potential to move through spaces/gaps that others can't.

While I agree with your final sentiment, what's most important is that you've seen their reaction and then can react accordingly i.e. in most instances you're not going to complete the split. Annoying yes; are they being a cock? very likely; is it worth getting sand in your vijayjay over? I speak from literal experience, NO. Take it as one of life's many little trade offs, that for every time you are denied the chance, you get other where you can split.

[Berries]

It is alleged that on Thursday the whatever at 08:13 AM your vehicle was seen being driven inconsiderately, by rashly changing lanes without indicating after straddling the centreline, at the intersection of Crawford Street and Jetty Street, Dunedin.
I have obviously been pissing someone off every morning while they sit in their tin top.




How they knew I had a rash though I have no idea.

[MarkH]

I have obviously been pissing someone off every morning while they sit in their tin top.


Send a short reply to the fuzz:

Dear coppers:
Haters gonna hate.

Yours Sincerely
Berries

That should sort the matter! You're welcome.

[ice2004]

Is riding a motorbike on green cycling lane legal? (when traffic is stationary or moving at less than 30 km/h)

[Duncan74]

Is riding a motorbike on green cycling lane legal? (when traffic is stationary or moving at less than 30 km/h)
No it isn't.

[rambaldi]

No it isn't.

What if you attach pedals and pretend?

[Swoop]

Is riding a motorbike on green cycling lane legal? (when traffic is stationary or moving at less than 30 km/h)
I doubt it.

But it never stops me.

[Duncan74]

What if you attach pedals and pretend?
In that case you can pretend it's allowed....

[rastuscat]

In that case you can pretend it's allowed....

And a cop can pretend to write you a ticket for unauthorized use of a special vehicle lane.

[mouldy]

A word of warning when splitting on non motorway roads , go slow . 2 of the Circustreads diaspora had similar crashes recently , both failed to see the right turning car while going between traffic . 1 needs a new headlight and nosecone , the other needs new forks and his wists and gonads to heal .

[swbarnett]

A word of warning when splitting on non motorway roads , go slow . 2 of the Circustreads diaspora had similar crashes recently , both failed to see the right turning car while going between traffic . 1 needs a new headlight and nosecone , the other needs new forks and his wists and gonads to heal .
Well said. I travel home via Dominion Rd regularly and that bus lane can be deadly if not treated with the utmost respect. I often have cars turning right across my path. I have to say though, most of them are well aware of the bus lane and the possibility of it being occupied.

[Moi]

Well said. I travel home via Dominion Rd regularly and that bus lane can be deadly if not treated with the utmost respect. I often have cars turning right across my path. I have to say though, most of them are well aware of the bus lane and the possibility of it being occupied.

There's one biker who I've seen using the painted median instead of the bus lane. :eek5: He might have turned right - eventually...

One reason I'd ban tinted windows on vehicles - you can't see through them: car drivers, especially, can't see through the vehicles to see if there might be a cyclist or biker in the bus lane.

[swbarnett]

There's one biker who I've seen using the painted median instead of the bus lane. :eek5: He might have turned right - eventually...
I'll sometimes do that if there is no bus lane and the traffic is stationary. BUT (and it's a big one) you've got to be suport aware of what the traffic is doing. I learnt this the hard way a few decades ago on Mt. Eden Rd. Car turned right just as I was coming past. I just managed to stay upright as I scraped my muffler along their bumper (had to lift my foot out of the way).


One reason I'd ban tinted windows on vehicles - you can't see through them: car drivers, especially, can't see through the vehicles to see if there might be a cyclist or biker in the bus lane.
Indeed. Never assume they've seen you. I mostly end up letting them through, especially the ones that have seen me and stopped - good to reward that.

[justanothernoob]

My angst comes not from them being too far left for me to split. It's when they see me coming and intentionally move to close the space to split.

It actually annoys me more than when they change lanes last minute right in front of you because they didnt look. I expect this, i know it could happen anytime, they can't see me or they plain didn't look.
But this new lot that shut down the split. They've looked, awesome! they've seen me , even better. Then they move to purposely shut down the split. That's just a cock move


I have to admit that gives me the arse too: I have a son who gives me every reason to NOT put my life in danger, so when I see a SAFE gap and move into it only to have a jealous car-driver try to squash me out ... I have no problems slapping their side-mirror on the way past. I don't do any damage - but it gives them a hell of a fright and makes them realise that they can't get away with that sort of behaviour. (Even better in left-hand drive countries, then they have to get out of their car to sort out their passenger mirror :laugh: )

I get that they're jealous. But putting a life in danger just because they're jealous? Really?

[mouldy]

I have to admit that gives me the arse too: I have a son who gives me every reason to NOT put my life in danger, so when I see a SAFE gap and move into it only to have a jealous car-driver try to squash me out ... I have no problems slapping their side-mirror on the way past. I don't do any damage - but it gives them a hell of a fright and makes them realise that they can't get away with that sort of behaviour. (Even better in left-hand drive countries, then they have to get out of their car to sort out their passenger mirror :laugh: )

I get that they're jealous. But putting a life in danger just because they're jealous? Really?

That's why gloves have reinforced knuckles and boots have heel guards , if drivers don't use mirrors or indicators they don't need 'em

[tamarillo]

A word of warning when splitting on non motorway roads , go slow . 2 of the Circustreads diaspora had similar crashes recently , both failed to see the right turning car while going between traffic . 1 needs a new headlight and nosecone , the other needs new forks and his wists and gonads to heal .

Well what the **** were they doing there? Do they know the rules or do they think they're beyond them?


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[tamarillo]

I'm coming across a lot of cagers who ,while in the "fast lane" and in traffic, hug the left hand side of the lane making splitting impossible. This is specifically Aucklands southern motorway but i assume it happens everywhere else.
What are they doing? Are they just sub par drivers or are they purposely trying to make my life difficult?

I'm curious to know how you guys deal with this. Do you honk or give em some redline angst? Maybe you just say "fuck wits be fuck wits" and pass when the opportunity arises?

Would I be a fuckwit if i let them no i was less than impressed with their caging skills?

Yes cause you're in the WRONG.


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[tamarillo]

For those who might have missed this article (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11594979) by Paul Charman.

It definitely won't end the discussion, but Carey Griffiths does have some authoritative insights (currently the ACC motorcycle guy, previously 30 years in the police much of it in road policing).

He is also a senior IAM rider and executive. A bloody good bloke who can seriously ride well.


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[FJRider]

It does irk me that they no-doubt feel smug and righteous while doing it though.

Don't feel bad ... they probably aren't even aware you exist. At worst ... they make a *555 call and you get a chat with a highway patrol later ... so keep your bike legal.

The highway patrol would believe dangerous overtaking is more serious than impeding the flow of traffic. And impeding traffic would require speeds of less than 40 km/hr to attract their attention ... and may not even bother then.

There is no legal fast or slow lane ... just the recommendation that slow drivers keep to the left. The speed limit is the same in both lanes.

To overtake a vehicle on it's left in it's lane is forbidden.

And don't forget the cameras .. big brother is watching ...

[FJRider]

But putting a life in danger just because they're jealous? Really?

Nah ... not jealous ... but you piss them off and they piss you off.

But remember ... that life in danger is yours So keep it up ... nobody lives forever ...