Bucket update

[Skunk]

A race bike is just a bike prepared for racing. Nothing more - nothing less. A 'factory' race bike just says you ain't got the skills to build it yourself. :laugh:

[Slingshot]

I might be acquiring an AX100, just got to convince Catherine that I need another bucket.

I figure that I need a back up bike considering the run that I've had with the GP/RZ hybrid.

Will keep you all posted on how it pans out.

[Ivan]

Nothing beats the feeling of owning a GP race bike

[Skunk]

I might be acquiring an AX100, just got to convince Catherine that I need another bucket.

I figure that I need a back up bike considering the run that I've had with the GP/RZ hybrid.

Will keep you all posted on how it pans out.
You sad bastard... an AX! Bahwaaa!

[Sketchy_Racer]

Nothing beats the feeling of owning a GP race bike

hahah Something you probably will never know the feeling of ivan!

[Ivan]

haha I own a 93 chassis its a good feeling lol

[Skunk]

The Bucket Factory is open.


If you're coming round bring a 6300Z bearing with you. I need one for Sketchys bucket.

[Slingshot]

You sad bastard... an AX! Bahwaaa!

Is there much difference between your A100? and an AX100?

[Ivan]

His is an AX100

[quallman1234]

The Bucket Factory is open.


If you're coming round bring a 6300Z bearing with you. I need one for Sketchys bucket.

You building Buckets tonight are ya?

[Skunk]

Is there much difference between your A100? and an AX100?
Hmmm. Yeah - 'everything' pretty much covers it. Mine is an AX100, and is nothing like an A100.

You building Buckets tonight are ya?
No. Not anymore.

Just packed up - AJ's tired...

[quallman1234]

Hmmm. Yeah - 'everything' pretty much covers it. Mine is an AX100, and is nothing like an A100.

No. Not anymore.

Just packed up - AJ's tired...

What did ya get done?

[Skunk]

Everything. And nothing. All because the last thing we did meant we had to start again on everything else.

We are one wheel bearing away from getting Purple Death going. Sully did the gear change today.

Done the handle bars on AJ's GT, and one foot peg. That thing just does not want to modify easy.

AX is ready to race again (suspension adjusted).

ZX1R-T is dead. Really dead. Going to gather the bits required to make it live again over the next [insert shortish time possible]. So that'll be a few weeks away.

[ajturbo]

yer.. thanks skunk for the left hand foot peg set up...

thanks sully for the "clip-on's"...

thanks for desert skunk control!!

oh and th ebourbons....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz z

[Slingshot]

I'm starting to think about my next bucket project...I'm thinking custom made frame with a hotted up AX100 motor.

Talked to the old man today and he didn't immediately dismiss the idea as dumb and irresponsible which suggests to that he will probably help out.

I've been studying photos of Ducati frames and am thinking that I could copy the design fairly easily using tubular aluminum.

Anyone have any experience in custom frame design/construction?

[Sketchy_Racer]

save yourself some time and effort with a Honda RS125 chassis. It'll be better than you can ever fabricate and cheaper too!

I have one for sale too. what a convienience!

[Slingshot]

save yourself some time and effort with a Honda RS125 chassis. It'll be better than you can ever fabricate and cheaper too!

I have one for sale too. what a convienience!

Where's the fun in that?



On a separate note, I've found the lastest gremlin to plague the mighty GP.

The flywheel was loose and the woodruff key has been shawn off, I'm not sure which order that happened in but that's what I've found.

So the 'orrible metal on metal noise was probably the flywheel rubbing on something and it would have been back firing, as AJ et al pointed out because the timing was out...and the timing was out because the flywheel was loose.

So, anyone know where to get replacement woodruff keys?

[Skunk]

I'm starting to think about my next bucket project...I'm thinking custom made frame with a hotted up AX100 motor.

Anyone have any experience in custom frame design/construction?
Yep. Mine failed. That could have been me though. Yeah, properly was me.

Alloy welding... hmmmm. Nice to know someone who can do it (or who knows someone who can).

AX100 is a bad choice of motor - only a 4 speed box and an 'oddball' from Suzuki. No interchangable parts with anything else. But if you've got it already I know someone who has a hot-ish one to copy.

MB100 is good if you match it to an MB50 box - 6 speed.

[F5 Dave]

Woodruff key from any bikeshop, measure it first.

The key is of no strength & only for assembly.

All the grip is in the taper. Really.

Get some valve grind past & lap the flywheel to the crank taper. Take some time & do it well & then clean it all off.

[Slingshot]

Woodruff key from any bikeshop, measure it first.

The key is of no strength & only for assembly.

All the grip is in the taper. Really.

Get some valve grind past & lap the flywheel to the crank taper. Take some time & do it well & then clean it all off.

Thanks Dave, could only find half of the key so will take that along with me when getting the replacement.

Good tip about the valve grind paste.

[Slingshot]

AX100 is a bad choice of motor - only a 4 speed box and an 'oddball' from Suzuki. No interchangable parts with anything else. But if you've got it already I know someone who has a hot-ish one to copy.


If I can pick up an AX100 for $100 should I? Apparently it's got a fried clutch and it's got knobblies on it at the moment.

[Skunk]

If I can pick up an AX100 for $100 should I? Apparently it's got a fried clutch and it's got knobblies on it at the moment.
Only if you really want it. I wouldn't because I know what I've had to do to mine and how lucky I've been with the parts given to me.

If you just want a motor (any motor) try and get it cheaper. If you want a competitive motor - don't bother.

IMHO.

[Sully60]

If I can pick up an AX100 for $100 should I? Apparently it's got a fried clutch and it's got knobblies on it at the moment.

As Skunk said the AX is not ideal but then you ride his bike and it doesn't seem that much of a problem, his thing goes bloody well as you know.

For a hundy a complete running bike could be well worth it in itself, just for the bits that could end up being usefull. The clutch will be cheap enough to replace if indeed thats necessary, sometimes whacking another steel plate in there can be enough to solve that (in the short term). And you could rail the berm on the top corner at the Slipway with knobblies ( in fact you'll probably have to, with knobblies)

Have you had a good look at Frankenstein yet? It can't be to serious if everything is still intact. I don't know what you think but if you're keen to stick with Franky it seems like it could be quite a quick machine with a bit of fettling and seat time if you can get it going reliably.
If not, think about the things you think Franky could do better and make a desicion based on that. Think about maybe saving the $100 and spending a bit more on an FXR or the 250 beam chassis can be a relatively easy way to go (lots of RGV's or inline four 250's are about the place with blown motors) or if you can grab an RS125 like Sketchy's then you'll be sussed (need some wheels for that one and that all adds up) all of these options give you a good starting base to develop something into an effective tool.
My own view on things is that longer you spend with a bike you're comfortable on the more speed you'll get from developing the bike and you with it.

My two cents anyway, now go put them in your savings fund, and buy yourself something nice :laugh:

[Sketchy_Racer]

BUY. MY. FRAME

Put your RZ wheels in it, and you'll have a minter!

[Slingshot]

Righto...gonna flag the AX idea.

After having a taste of the 'sled I've been developing grand ideas, do need to walk before I crawl though. Perhaps I should draw up a wish list and slowly tick that off:

Setting up the forks properly
17" rims and tires with a decent profile
1/4 turn throttle
Tuned expansion chamber
Adjustable rear shock
Cooler triple clamp
Bigger carb
Better clutchSketchy...I'm not buying your frame :bleh:

[Ivan]

Having since sold my bucket......

I will be after a new engine for my one,


Chassis is there involving a Honda RS125 rolling chassis, now the engine bit comes in? what to use?

My RG50 engine?

Or something else?

[Sketchy_Racer]

Sketchy...I'm not buying your frame :bleh:

just DOOO ITTTT :banana:

[F5 Dave]

I hate to tell you this Glen but getting the rest of the parts to suit that frame will be expensive for a bucket. Kinda makes it an orphan sorry.

my 2c is ignore the AX unless you want a bike for some kids to hack around a field on. Rebuild the GP, they go well, try not to divest into other projects. Pick a decent base & continue down that path lest you end up with no bike to race [points some fingers].

[bungbung]

Something nice for your bucket:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Parts-accessories/Other/auction-126040007.htm

[F5 Dave]

And something for yours Ola Bucket touring upgrade (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Parts-accessories/Frames-bodywork/auction-125645618.htm)

The Turbo is of course legal, but only on a 100cc 4 stroke.

[Slingshot]

It seems that I need a lesson in the basics of ignition systems.

So I was happily lapping the flywheel to the crank taper tonight when I noticed something was missing...namely the points and the condenser.

I was sure that I'd read about the points and seen them in the diagrams in the Haynes manual when I was trying to find out how to set the timing, and it looks like there's a space where they would have been but they ain't there.

So without that...how does it work?

Is it possibly something to do with the black box that plugs into the motor (CDI?), I can't find any reference to that in the Haynes manual so maybe it's a mod that someone has done previously to it.

[Skunk]

I think we found the CDI when we put it together. Didn't 'we'?

[Skunk]

...lest you end up with no bike to race [points some fingers].
Who? Tell me I can't work it out. Surely they could turn up with someone else's bike...

[Slingshot]

I think we found the CDI when we put it together. Didn't 'we'?

Yeah, we did. And plugged it in and the motor started...that doesn't mean that I had any idea what a CDI is or does.

[Skunk]

Nor do I. I'm going to Wikipedia. Race ya there...
Most ignition systems used in cars are inductive ignition systems, which are solely relying on the electric inductance at the coil to produce high-voltage electricity to the spark plugs as the magnetic field breaks down when the current to the primary coil winding is disconnected. In a CDI system, a charging circuit charges a high voltage capacitor, and during the ignition point the system stops charging the capacitor, allowing the capacitor to discharge its output to the ignition coil before reaching the spark plug.

A typical CDI module consist of a small transformer, a charging circuit, a triggering circuit and a main capacitor. First, the system voltage is raised up to 400-600 V by a transformer inside the CDI module. Then, the electric current flows to the charging circuit and charges the capacitor. The rectifier inside the charging circuit prevents capacitor discharge before the ignition point. When the triggering circuit receives triggering signals, the triggering circuit stops the operation of the charging circuit, allowing the capacitor to discharge its output rapidly to the low inductance ignition coil, which increase the 400-600 V capacitor discharge to up to 40 kV at the secondary winding at the spark plug. When there's no triggering signal, the charging circuit is re-connected to charge back the capacitor.

The amount of energy the CDI system can store for the generation of a spark is dependant on the voltage and capacitance of the capacitors used, but usually it's around 50 mJ.

CDI modules can be generally divided into two:-

* AC-CDI - The AC-CDI module obtains its electricity source solely from the alternating current produced by the alternator. The AC-CDI system is the most basic CDI system which is widely used in small engines.
* DC-CDI - The DC-CDI module is powered by the battery, and therefore an additional DC/AC inverter circuit is included in the CDI module to raise the 12 V DC to 400-600 V DC, making the CDI module slightly larger. However, the vehicle that uses DC-CDI system has more precise ignition timing and the engine can be started easier when cold.
I win. Now we wait for someone cleverer to tell 'us' how it's triggered...

[Sully60]

The ignition must be triggered from a point which would be located on the inside of that flywheel, look for a little black box with one or two wires coming out, if you think it's not the standard ignition think about where else someone would put such a thing . I don't remember seeing a battery so your system would be this type:


* AC-CDI - The AC-CDI module obtains its electricity source solely from the alternating current produced by the alternator. The AC-CDI system is the most basic CDI system which is widely used in small engines.

I'm thinking the actual ignition power alternator coil as used in this type of system could be the problem. Check all the connections from the coil windings and us a meter to check continuity.
Just an idea, worth a crack Nigel!

[Ivan]

Hmmmm Are you sure it is CDI?

And not TCI

alot of bikes run TCI ignition just everyone says it CDI

CDI meaning Capacitor Discharge Ignition system
TCI meaning Transistorised Ignition system


If you are running stator get a manual check the Resistence readings to spec

Also Check the Pulse generator, It will have a resistence reading what this does if not correct is bike may run then cut out and when left sitting for a while it works fine then when gets hot breaks down under load...


Also There is an air gap these should have from the flywheel

If the gap is to far it will not spark correctly,



If you do this check your loom, If I was you I would rewire the whole loom from stator up just for your own satisfaction that you know the loom is ok,

Check all earths are they earthing properly? Is your Earths clean?

Just check everythign yuo pissbly can,

check your ignition timing that the timing isnt out,


Also when was your plug last replaced a plug can be faulty and cause grief,
Hows your coil? No cracks in the coil? High Tension leads? Plug caps?

Just really check everything there is,
:msn-wink:

[Slingshot]

Thanks for the advice,

I'm pretty sure that the only problem will be that the flywheel was loose. I'm hoping that once I replace the woodruff key and put the flywheel back on again I'll be away.

What I'm confused with is how to set the timing if it doesn't have points but I'm hoping that the timing doesn't actually need adjusting and that with the flywheel back on and tight it'll all work.

Update tomorrow hopefully.

[Ivan]

Yeah to adjust timing there is normally some line marks on the stator plate, and there will normally be a mark inside the engine were the stator goes normally you line these 2 up and that is your timing, but if it is not standered it will be differnt

[Sully60]

Hmmmm Are you sure it is CDI?

And not TCI

alot of bikes run TCI ignition just everyone says it CDI

CDI meaning Capacitor Discharge Ignition system
TCI meaning Transistorised Ignition system


If you are running stator get a manual check the Resistence readings to spec

Also Check the Pulse generator, It will have a resistence reading what this does if not correct is bike may run then cut out and when left sitting for a while it works fine then when gets hot breaks down under load...


Also There is an air gap these should have from the flywheel

If the gap is to far it will not spark correctly,



If you do this check your loom, If I was you I would rewire the whole loom from stator up just for your own satisfaction that you know the loom is ok,

Check all earths are they earthing properly? Is your Earths clean?

Just check everythign yuo pissbly can,

check your ignition timing that the timing isnt out,


Also when was your plug last replaced a plug can be faulty and cause grief,
Hows your coil? No cracks in the coil? High Tension leads? Plug caps?

Just really check everything there is,
:msn-wink:


How did you scan that from a text book and turn it into text again Ivan? maybe tou should be in IT:bleh:

[Ivan]

Nah thats off my head lol,

Im doing Starting and charging systems at the mo at tech

[Sully60]

Nah thats off my head lol,



How can that be? I actually understood it first time I read it.

[Ivan]

Lol it took alot of backspaces and thinking and yeah,


I kinda enjoy ignition systems,


Im a sick puppy lol:argue:

[Sully60]

[QUOTE=Slingshot;1282643]
What I'm confused with is how to set the timing if it doesn't have points but I'm hoping that the timing doesn't actually need adjusting and that with the flywheel back on and tight it'll all work.

QUOTE]

Yep, like you said no other way to do it. Was the woodruff key knackered? even if it's not be prudent and use a new one.

[Ivan]

Hey has anyone got a rolling chassis thye wanna part with I want a oldskool style like AX etc tubular frame, I got an XL100 engine just need a frame now and dont wanna use a 250 chassis....


Cheers guys

Ivan:confused:

[Slingshot]

Was the woodruff key knackered? even if it's not be prudent and use a new one.

Yip...it was shawn clean in half...half of it was floating around in the case and the other half was still in the slot on the shaft.

Got a new one today, had to guess the size so hopefully it'll fit.

[Sully60]

Yip...it was shawn clean in half...half of it was floating around in the case and the other half was still in the slot on the shaft.

Got a new one today, had to guess the size so hopefully it'll fit.

That's what I thought at the Slipway, I was gunna say that I just didn't get around to it.:whistle:
Two-Strokes are too simple for me. Like my brain, I like things that have lots of bits that spin round at high speed and clatter alot:crazy:

[Ivan]

Ok guys someone must have a roller

[Sketchy_Racer]

If someone did Ivan, they would tell you.

Now don't be a pain in the ass like you were when you were looking for a RS125 rolling chassis.

[speedpro]

I just scored two(2) FZR chassis. One is a later alloy beam type with everything except a tank, and the other is just an early steel one with nothing except the frame, swingarm, triple clamps, and shock. Perfect for both my dormant projects. Just got to get them home and find a little spot in the garage to put them.

[Ivan]

Sweet as,

The XL project should be good

I got some good people motovating em to finish this one

[Skunk]

Sweet as,

The XL project should be good

I got some good people motovating em to finish this one
But will you dismantle it before you race it (in the name of 'improvements')?

[Ivan]

Nah Im gonna get the engine top end apart and relap the valves so they seal properly, get the head flowed as I know thats an improvement,

Mount engine in my chassis Im getting,

Exhaust system,

Sullys idea is a megaphone on it, Im thinking more along the lines of a coby hotdog with a dump pipe on it underseat exhaust system should be good,

And ready for the enduro, As This next round clashes with the sprints, :Police:

[Sketchy_Racer]

Sprints = Total waste of time... Fuck your a hero holding your throttle open Ivan. I wish i was as cool as you. You know how fast your bike is from last year. whats the point?

AS for your "modifications" sounds exactly what you said you were going to do to that motor over a year ago.. Maybe this time you might complete it. Yeah, RIGHT!

[Ivan]

I dont care To be quite honest what you think glen..........

Im not riding in the sprints to be a hero its cause I can and want to,

As for my engine mods Oh well I dont givea fuck aye


Its my life, My bikes, My money, So I think that means? I can do what I want

[Sketchy_Racer]

Fair enough buddy.

Just quit bloody spamming us with ya crap. when you have a bike that is in a condition to go around a race track, then let us know.

[Sully60]

Fair enough buddy.

Just quit bloody spamming us with ya crap. when you have a bike that is in a condition to go around a race track, then let us know.

I help see to it that Ivan getas a bike going, just have to get the Boi (his spelling, not mine)racer thing out of his head and thinking about two valve, air cooled, naturally aspirated engines and how to make them work. Not all this dump pipe, coby, blow off valve shit.

Hey Sketchy are you a big enough boy to use a four jaw and a boring bar?

[Sketchy_Racer]

Hey sully yep im man enough for a piss-off large 4jaw and a boring bar. what you want bored out?

[Ivan]

I help see to it that Ivan getas a bike going, just have to get the Boi (his spelling, not mine)racer thing out of his head and thinking about two valve, air cooled, naturally aspirated engines and how to make them work. Not all this dump pipe, coby, blow off valve shit.

Hey Sketchy are you a big enough boy to use a four jaw and a boring bar?

Hey mate,

Boi Racer is the shit pop it like its hot......

Pop that throttle dump that clutch and let it spin like a mudda fucker

[Sully60]

We got some big slugs for Skunks twin so we thought you could bore the liners, thats all we need to do before we can chuck it together.
I'm in the process of working out the megaphone patterns so when I have those done I'll make two sets. Rum Braaaaaaa, Ruum Braaaaaaaaaaa pop a pop Ruuum Braaaaaaaaa.

[Sketchy_Racer]

if you can get the parts to me, i can do them not a worry. and I'll obviously need to know what size they are.

Whats an acceptable tolerance? 0.01mm be ok?

[Ivan]

Ohhh megaphone pop me one off

[Sully60]

Quote Ivan:
"Pop it like its hot"


Ivan, Ivan Ivan.:nono:
You must concentrate grasshopper, divine speed rises though one's soul from the purity of ones devotion and discipline in following the path of the righteous.:cool:
Deviation from the path will cloud the approach of iminent adversity and leave you vulnerable to the dark forces that lurk deep within the bowells of even the most sedate cage.:calm:

[Sully60]

if you can get the parts to me, i can do them not a worry. and I'll obviously need to know what size they are.

Whats an acceptable tolerance? 0.01mm be ok?

.01 is perfect, they really need to be 47.01 but the factory tolerance is .01 to .03 so you should be fine. You need to make sure the taper on the bottom of the barrel if as long as you can keep/get it . Being 3mm over they can be a little difficult to get together otherwise. You work somewhere down this way don't you? let me know and i'll drop them off.

[Sketchy_Racer]

I work in Porirua Ow..

Vega Industries on herriot drive (the one bunnings is on)

other wise umm just chuck em in a package and send to my house

Chur

[Sully60]

I work in Porirua Ow..

Vega Industries on herriot drive (the one bunnings is on)

other wise umm just chuck em in a package and send to my house

Chur

Tru Bro!
Im in th Rua all the time cuz. I'll text you during the week. i fink I have ur number somewhere.

2 Chur

[Ivan]

Quote Ivan:
"Pop it like its hot"


Ivan, Ivan Ivan.:nono:
You must concentrate grasshopper, divine speed rises though one's soul from the purity of ones devotion and discipline in following the path of the righteous.:cool:
Deviation from the path will cloud the approach of iminent adversity and leave you vulnerable to the dark forces that lurk deep within the bowells of even the most sedate cage.:calm:

Just pop it like its hot

[Ivan]

Hey I might be able to get the specs for the megaphones if you needthem?

[Sully60]

Hey I might be able to get the specs for the megaphones if you needthem?

Findout for your 100 and we'll roll one up for that, Rum Braaah

[Ivan]

Yip I think it should bein 4 stroke performance tuning book im gonna see if I can borrow of my mate

[speedpro]

Well I've wimped out and I'm getting old and have got a 3LN FZR250 chassis. It is going to be SOOOOOOoooooooooooo much easier getting that engine in to this thing rather than the RS125. Few questions for those that know. 1-How much can you lower these before ground clearance becomes a problem? 2 - It has 2.75" and 3.5" X 17 wheels. Are these too big" It looks like you can get about 110 or 120 tyres for the rear and the front should be OK. 3 - how does the suspension work with a lot less weight? Does it need a lot doing to it?

[Sully60]

Well I've wimped out and I'm getting old and have got a 3LN FZR250 chassis. It is going to be SOOOOOOoooooooooooo much easier getting that engine in to this thing rather than the RS125. Few questions for those that know. 1-How much can you lower these before ground clearance becomes a problem? 2 - It has 2.75" and 3.5" X 17 wheels. Are these too big" It looks like you can get about 110 or 120 tyres for the rear and the front should be OK. 3 - how does the suspension work with a lot less weight? Does it need a lot doing to it?

3LN thats a bit heavy isn't it? Might not power wheelie like your little black rocketship:yes:
But seriously despite the weight I reckon thats got real potential.
The 2.75 front rim is an odd size,from memory it probably uses a 100/80-17 or 110/70-17 tyre in std form. Have a look if you can get the Skinko version of the old Yoki 003, (the one with all the funky dots and no real edge between the tread and sidewall of the tyre) they'll be as good as anything if you use the 100 width tyre.
You could always try some Vee Rubber slicks, you'd have to use a 90 front so a 2.15 2KR rim would be the go for the rear use a 125 section. The join in the tyre looks a bit scary but they work well and are CHEAP!

Although I can only advise you from the viewpoint of running the heaviest combination of engine and chassis there can be:eek5: its still consideraby lighter than the std road bike. They're pretty much fine when you run them light, you've taken away weight but also power and torque (though not much in your case) so just ride it until it does something then fix it. It's all down to preference in the end but a stiff chassis like that with sticky tyres (BTW are you using that hotrod honda motor?) would be an effective weapon.
Good luck, and when you get it going are you coming to do some wheelies at the Slipway?

[Ivan]

GOt me Engine tonight and just quite literally walked in front door when craig turned up to drop the new chassis of and pick up the others in typical bucket style swap it,

SO plan of attack,

Pull top end apart tommorow relap valves drain oil, clean head,Hone Cylinder, put back together,

Put engine in frame,


AND try and find the specs for muffler length so Craig can slap me of a megaphone......

[Buddha#81]

Pull top end apart tommorow relap valves drain oil, clean head,Hone Cylinder, put back together.....


........or leave it and put it in something and suprise us all and have a bucket that goes.:soon:

[bungbung]

........have a bucket that goes.:soon:

Are you on drugs?

[speedpro]

3LN thats a bit heavy isn't it? Might not power wheelie like your little black rocketship:yes:

Good luck, and when you get it going are you coming to do some wheelies at the Slipway?

Everything that isn't aluminium or suspension has gone so the weight is down a bit. I'm planning a monococque(?) rear section. I've got the shits with the RG/MB combo so initially I'll probably fit the old MB motor into it then follow that with the new one. Hopefully it'll have the horses to do good wheelies even in the FZR chassis. I'll probably lose one disc off the front as well.

I'm in Auckland now so have been doing wheelies at Mt Wellington recently.

Am really looking forward to getting the FZR bucket going. It's going to be so much easier to ride for this (getting)old fella. I've still got the RS125 chassis so may end up stealing bits off that like the wheels and suspension.

[Ivan]

........or leave it and put it in something and suprise us all and have a bucket that goes.:soon:

Yip I know my last rate lol wasnt looking good,

I had to relap valves when I pulled it apart it just leakes straight past valves as it wernt sealing lapped head now its good,

Just assembling engine again tommorow afternoon coming home with engine and putting in the chassis and yeah continuing from there,

Im thinking of a name for her,

I think its Mozzi,

Just as i was typing this a mosquito bit me so i squashed him so there we are Mozzi

Haha

[Skunk]

You should call it 'Lucky'.

Lucky if it gets finished.

[Ivan]

Yeah ok,

Lucky,


Lucky Mozzi

[Ivan]

Engine all ready to go inchassis woot woot

[Sully60]

Just as i was typing this a mosquito bit me so i squashed him so there we are Mozzi


Faaaarrrrrrout!

That were a mighty brave Mosquito chompin down on a Ginga!:laugh:

Thing probably would have died anyway.

[Ivan]

Well I started thework on the engine mounting tonight, It didnt fit,

The mountsare slightly differnt and the engine mounts need re aligning to fit the xl engine any way the single must have a longer stroke than the twin and the barrel and head length is longer


Hmmm no:shit:

[Sketchy_Racer]

So weld up some new mounts! You gotta a welder at your place!

[Ivan]

Yip going to do that just want to get the rest of the parts to assemble back wheel completly so i can make sure it is all aligned up.

[Sketchy_Racer]

good as

I need to go inspect my bucket to see how it is getting and pass on my thanks to those who have worked on it!!!!!

[Ivan]

You should come to myne and we should work on myne bol

[quallman1234]

I need a fuel tap! or a tank what includes a fuel tap.

Anyone got one i can take of there hands for a couple bucks?

[Skunk]

I need a fuel tap! or a tank what includes a fuel tap.

Anyone got one i can take of there hands for a couple bucks?
Yes. See you tomorrow am?

[Ivan]

Me dirty old bucket is gone to make room for my even dirtier new bucket

[Skunk]

Huh? So 'Lucky' didn't make it?...

[quallman1234]

Yes. See you tomorrow am?

Sorry mate im confused what are you trying to say.

[Sully60]

Are you trying to say the

Bucket Factory Will Be Open?

[quallman1234]

Are you trying to say the

Bucket Factory Will Be Open?

I think he is!

Well ill be there if it is open for business :clap:

[Skunk]

Are you trying to say the

Bucket Factory Will Be Open?
Sort of... I'm setting up for the Tuppergadget party tonight and need to go out this afternoon too.

[Ivan]

Im out for rest of season and sprints,

Sucsesfully damaged my neck and shoulders last night

[Sully60]

Im out for rest of season and sprints,

Sucsesfully damaged my neck and shoulders last night

You know that you should remove a rib or two if you want to perform auto felatio right?:dodge:

[Skunk]

Bucket Factory is open from Noon Sunday.

[Ivan]

You know that you should remove a rib or two if you want to perform auto felatio right?:dodge:

You seem to know all about this.............................:beer:

Nah pushing trailor slipped on wet grass tore muscle in neck and shoulders completly sooooo sore lol

[Sketchy_Racer]

What? your txt said you broke your collar bone? thats a big difference from a torn muscle! Make up your mind boy!

[Ivan]

At the time that was what I was sure I had doen considering I couldnt see my colar bone haha

But didnt go to hospital till next day to get x rays

[quallman1234]

Bucket Factory is open from Noon Sunday.

Damn i was on a trial ride

[Sully60]

I've just completed two days work of works to come up with the following:

Big thanks to Campbell (non KB master fabricator) and of course Skunk for allowing me to crash his Tuppagadgets mens BBQ and utilise the awesome Skunkworks Bucket factory.

We could onlty run it for a short time because it's not quite finished properly, but from what we did doe we know its LOUD!

When everything is finished I'll post a vid (with sound of course) on Youtube for your listening pleasure!

Or you coild turn up to the Slipway next weekend and hear it for yourself, though bring earplugs!

[Ivan]

Thats fucken mean man!!!!!!

Hey I got that book what section am I looking for to get those pipes?


Thats mean I might pop over to have a watch man

[Slingshot]

I've just completed two days work of works to come up with the following:

Big thanks to Campbell (non KB master fabricator) and of course Skunk for allowing me to crash his Tuppagadgets mens BBQ and utilise the awesome Skunkworks Bucket factory.

We could onlty run it for a short time because it's not quite finished properly, but from what we did doe we know its LOUD!

When everything is finished I'll post a vid (with sound of course) on Youtube for your listening pleasure!

Or you coild turn up to the Slipway next weekend and hear it for yourself, though bring earplugs!

Those look the shizzle mcnizzle!!!

[Skunk]

We could only run it for a short time because it's not quite finished properly, but from what we did doe we know its LOUD!

When everything is finished I'll post a vid (with sound of course) on Youtube for your listening pleasure!

Or you could turn up to the Slipway next weekend and hear it for yourself, though bring earplugs!
You mean LOUD. I was level with the pipes and it was painful. Louder than MotoGP bikes and they are around 115dB.

Got mine completed. Nice deep throb. Might drag it out there next week for a giggle.

It's the valve guides that are poked. Need to get some for the engine build.

[quallman1234]

Is the bucket factory going to be open next sat night?.

I need to finish this bucket off. Basically there all i need is a tank or tank tap (have a little tank Ivan gave me with the bucket).

Need to figure away how to mount it as well as the frame isnt like a normal bike frame. (ill get a pic in a couple minutes)

I found a 30L safari tank in the garage for dad's DRZ400 If i took the frame sliders off i could make it work for the endurance race... Now that would be a laugh! Too bad theres compulsory pit stops!

[quallman1234]

Any ideas? hard to see i know

[Skunk]

At this stage yes. And use it's proper title please:

Skunkworks Norf Welly Massif.
The Bucket Factory.

You're shouting lunch or restocking the beers and bourbons... I've run out.

[Sully60]

You mean LOUD. I was level with the pipes and it was painful. Louder than MotoGP bikes and they are around 115dB.

Got mine completed. Nice deep throb. Might drag it out there next week for a giggle.

It's the valve guides that are poked. Need to get some for the engine build.


When I got it home I chucked some more gas in it (thanks mr Victor)and took it to redline.
It actually doesn't get that much louder.....yeah right.

Can't wait to get the thing jetted and running. It almost feels like theres less engine vibrations for some reason,

ah!

Maybe its that I can't feel the engine vibes because the vibes in my ears!

[Skunk]

You mean you couldn't tell if the bike or you was vibrating.

[Sully60]

You mean you couldn't tell if the bike or you was vibrating.

Aye?

Speak up I can't hear you.

[Ivan]

Haha is it that intense,


Yeah man I cant find the size specs or any formula for working out muffler did you have one or just randomised it?

[Skunk]

I cant find the size specs or any formula for working out muffler did you have one or just randomised it?
Yeah, we just do stuff without knowing what we're doing; same as you.

[Sully60]

Yeah man I cant find the size specs or any formula for working out muffler did you have one or just randomised it?


It's actually a new form of customisation it's called randomisation.

It's where we take totally random things made of metal and ram dem on.!:laugh:



Yeah, we just do stuff without knowing what we're doing; same as you.

BWAAA HAAAA HAAAA HAAAA

Could you hear that from your place Skunk?

[gav]

:clap: :clap:
Classic! Arent MotoGP bikes around 130db?

[gav]

Well, while Ivan is flicking through his text books, how much to make up something like this?

Header pipe 30mm ID, 660mm long
first cone 30mmID, 330mm long to 75mm ID
second cone 75mm ID, 70mm long to 60mm ID
Cheers

[Sully60]

To be honest Gav if yo have to aks den yo can't afford.
Nah just kidding.
I've probably spent about 8 hrs solid to make the two above so far(excluding the maths so far done by others but i'm working on that). I'm going to redo one of the transitions to smooth it out and weld on the back mounts, spring hooks and thats it.
Materials (for two) about $50. I have access to a sheet metal shop cos of my job to roll the cones and the dude just hides the costs. That takes a bit of time but I haven't actually watched him so I couldn't say for sure. Getting the headers bent is the trick. Because we use imperial sized tube in NZ you'll need to use 1 1/4 inch OD with the .9mm wall. We used 1mm. I haven't been able to get these done yet but I've welded some old headers so at least I can use them and I have a pattern for the bigger tubing.
Is this for a single Gav? If so you could probably build something for about $100.
Thats a long header and short cone compared to mine your reverse cone is also a lot longer, mmm me thinks maybe a few less revs than me???

[gav]

FXR150


It's the spec of the pipe Kickaha runs on his GN140. Thought it'd be a reasonable starting point.

[Sully60]

FXR150


It's the spec of the pipe Kickaha runs on his GN140. Thought it'd be a reasonable starting point.

I was right about the revs. Do you know what sort of revs the GN pulls? Mine revs to about 11300 and did make usable power from 6, might be a bit different know though.

I know those FXr's rev fairly high so i reckon from the little I do know you might need to make the header a bit shorter and the first cone maybe a little longer.
I take it Kick has done some noise supression with the end of his system?
You'd probably have to do that if you race at Ruapuna wouldn't you 95dB?



I might have to do that with mine but let me race it just once!


BTW when you next see Kickaha, pass on that I reckon thats a Phat GN Racer, wicked!

[Skunk]

:clap: :clap:
Classic! Arent MotoGP bikes around 130db?
You're probably right - either way it was louder. I was as close to the Kawasaki ZXRR when that was running so I know...

[gav]

Here ya go, Ivan!
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Other/auction-127645313.htm

[Kickaha]

Do you know what sort of revs the GN pulls? Mine revs to about 11300 and did make usable power from 6, might be a bit different know though.

Dunno how high it revs the revcounter only goes to 12000 :lol:


BTW when you next see Kickaha, pass on that I reckon thats a Phat GN Racer, wicked!

Ta, handles heaps better than the FXR shitheaps as well, I 'll add the specs for it tonight

[Ivan]

Yip ok Ill just run a dirty coby with a dumper lol

[Sully60]

Dunno how high it revs the revcounter only goes to 12000 :lol:






Yeah so does mine:pinch: but I've only got little valves compared to you,
Animal!

(fuck that's rich coming from me!)

[Ivan]

Craig making buckets into motogp bikes since ages ago....

[Ivan]

Is it just me or is buckets following Moto GP It was alot of 2 smokes now days you struggle to see alot of 2 strokes lines the grids and pollute the air with that organic smell of 2 stroke wofting,

Now all we hear is the sound of someone wanking................. Well I mean a 4 stroke as any more than 2 strokes and your playing with yourself..............
No does this mean Im turnign into a wnaker all over again?

[Skunk]

Try again in English. F-

[Ivan]

Not me, I dont go to school

[Sully60]

Not me, I dont go to school

Fuck, I'd never have guessed!

[Ivan]

How can you tell

Huh Im a lost sole

[gav]

Is it just me or is buckets following Moto GP It was alot of 2 smokes now days you struggle to see alot of 2 strokes lines the grids and pollute the air with that organic smell of 2 stroke wofting,

Now all we hear is the sound of someone wanking................. Well I mean a 4 stroke as any more than 2 strokes and your playing with yourself..............
No does this mean Im turnign into a wnaker all over again?

What do ya mean, all over again?

As for Kickaha's GN, it's been so long since i actually heard it running for a reasonable length of time ....... :dodge:

[Skunk]

Is it just me or is buckets following Moto GP It was alot of 2 smokes now days you struggle to see alot of 2 strokes lines the grids and pollute the air with that organic smell of 2 stroke wofting,

Now all we hear is the sound of someone wanking................. Well I mean a 4 stroke as any more than 2 strokes and your playing with yourself..............
No does this mean Im turnign into a wnaker all over again?
OK, so I put that through a txt to English translator, a spell check, a 'find the missing full stops and remove random dots' complier and got something legible.

The short response is no. It's about 50/50 at the moment. Something you would know if you turned up.

[Kickaha]

Yeah so does mine:pinch: but I've only got little valves compared to you,
Animal!

(fuck that's rich coming from me!)

I run stock Suzuki valves, they lasted two years of revving the snot out of it, I put in aftermarket valves and they shit themselves in 1.5 meetings

The motor is a DR125 so we could get the 6 speed gearbox which were told was close ratio (it isn't) to fit it in the GN just meant making up new front engine mounts

It was originally a GN125 engine which had a ported head, A GN250 carb and slightly crappier built exhaust system

When I bought it I had the crank lightened,balanced and stroked to make it a 140 and had a cam ground for it, the exhaust is a full stainless mandrel bent system and I kept the GN250 carb

The front end is a GSXR250 which I had the steering stem pressed out of the GN triple clamp and fitted into the GSXR bottom triple clamp

The rear Swingarm is also from the GSXR but modified to make it a twin shocker, it took 5 hours work alone on that, it was shortened to the same length as the GN and I machined up some bushes to suit, it actually worked out about 4-5mm to wide for the frame but I borrowed a porta power and sorted that

It runs total loss and doesn't have a flywheel, Stanko racing machined me up a trigger wheel to suit and now I've added a 33mm Mikuni pumper carb which needs jetting to suit as it runs way to rich

I hadn't run it for 2 years until recently as I bought a FXR150, but the GN would out handle a FXR easily, once I get it running properly I'll see how it stacks up but I suspect the FXR will have a HP advantage

[Kickaha]

I take it Kick has done some noise supression with the end of his system?


The reverse cone mega ends 75mm into the canister on the end which has is actually a muffler, although I'd have to say it muffles fuck all but is still quieter than Diesel Pigs CB125T

[Slingshot]

I thought I should get my shit together with the final round coming up this weekend, I've had all month and I've now finally got the flywheel back on.

Don't know if it's going to run yet though, the lil one had just gone to bed so I wasn't aloud to test run it.

So, tomorrow night I'll be pushing it up and down the drive...hope it's sunny.

Craig, you still good to give me a lift on Sunday?

[gav]

Ivan, is this the CBR you were racing?
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Other/auction-128226492.htm

How much does Nathan want for it, do you know?

[Sully60]

Firstly why did the site go all pink and Ghey??? I'm a bit scared. Even the vid wouldn't imbed, freaky shit man!

Anyway as promised I have brought the noise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lh9MhofYg0

The video isn't my best work but I didn't have a lot of time as the neighbours really don't appreciate this sort of behavior!

And I'm a bit of a novice with the sound meter, the sample rate is a bit slow so the highest reading was 120dB and then it vibrated off the seat:Oops:

I can tell you standing ther twisting the throttle to redline with no ear protection was actually painful.
A bit like the pain of defeat that I will be dishing out on Sunday!:2guns:


Yes Slingshot I'll pick you up but there'll be a bit less width availble in the ute now, Uh uh uh uh (Tim the toolman styles)

[chanceyy]

Firstly why did the site go all pink and Ghey??? I'm a bit scared.


spanks trying out a new color for cowpoos .. its all here (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=61440)

I think he is trying out all the guys feminine side .. after all its only a real man who can wear pink :lol:

[Ivan]

Ivan, is this the CBR you were racing?
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Other/auction-128226492.htm

How much does Nathan want for it, do you know?

I dunno it wouldnt be far from reserve im guessing its the best bucket you could buy andjust race, much better than them FXR's........

Its awsome if I had a job itd be myne but nope so it a bit of a shame to be honest wicked fun as sully would agree

[Ivan]

Firstly why did the site go all pink and Ghey??? I'm a bit scared. Even the vid wouldn't imbed, freaky shit man!

Anyway as promised I have brought the noise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lh9MhofYg0

The video isn't my best work but I didn't have a lot of time as the neighbours really don't appreciate this sort of behavior!

And I'm a bit of a novice with the sound meter, the sample rate is a bit slow so the highest reading was 120dB and then it vibrated off the seat:Oops:

I can tell you standing ther twisting the throttle to redline with no ear protection was actually painful.
A bit like the pain of defeat that I will be dishing out on Sunday!:2guns:


Yes Slingshot I'll pick you up but there'll be a bit less width availble in the ute now, Uh uh uh uh (Tim the toolman styles)



SOunds good

[Slingshot]

Frankenstein is running!!!

Bring on the weekend.

[Sully60]

SOunds good

Does that mean you enjoy the sound of me "wanking"?

[Ivan]

Yip if thats the way it is lol

[Sully60]

Yip if thats the way it is lol

MMMM okaayyy.:eek5:

I'm just going over this wa.........

:chase:

[Ivan]

Hey craig did you get my PM?

[Sully60]

Hey craig did you get my PM?

Settle down, I did get your PM but you don't get all my attention you know.

To be honest Ivan I thinks its 6 of 1 and half a dozen of the other. The forks are weedy the brakes are smaller than your... (no I won't say that) So what colour do you like best?

By the rest of the posts on this thread it sound like neither option will ever be finished, so my advise to you is make up your own mind and JUST DO IT!

[Sketchy_Racer]

Ivan quit spamming people and just build a fucking bike!

[Ivan]

Shussshhhh Glen...........


I was asking a question hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Ok thats it Im going for the weedy forks and the MB chassis saaaaweeeettttt

It wernt spamming btw,

If you dont like it Glen leave my thread muhahaha

[Sketchy_Racer]

Ok thats it Im going for the weedy forks and the MB chassis saaaaweeeettttt

well considering you just answered your own question.... if it wasn't spam, i dunno what the hell you'd call it!

As for "your thread" Yeah you can claim that.. along with all the insults in it at you :nya:

[Ivan]

It was adirect question at time, Hence now the answer was to make up my own mind I have now thought of it and answered question in best possible way you little incy pincy spider:jerry::jerry:


And this is me:devil2:

[Sully60]

Frankenstein is running!!!

Bring on the weekend.

Wicked!
How far did you take it for a ride?



It was adirect question at time,

It was, and I'm sorry for being short and answering in public and not PMing you back, I'm a single dad of a four year old boy at the moment and my patience has taken a bit of a beating as of late.

Anyway, back to what maters.
Like I said some of the chassis things are neither here nor there. The RG would probably be the better handling chassis but would represent the biggest challenge to getting the XL motor in. And since I've had an RG that is still actually an RG I now have a real soft spot for them, so don't go cutting up that red one!
The big tube spine frame of the MB would be much easier. Really all you have to do is make a different version of that mounting plate it already has.
The CB125T motor fitted in there nice and neat. You just have to make it sit a bit lower. I'll dig out that front down tube for you, it will all become obvious once you see it.:niceone:

If you do use a coby please use a descent length pipe at least 1000mm total but preferably longer other wise it'll be flat as a turd, like half those boy racer cars you're into!:lol:

[Ivan]

Yip Craig dont worry man I never get upset, I just didnt know if I hadsent it or not, Wasnt being pushy lol...

Now im gonna read the rest of what you wrote lol

[Ivan]

Wicked!


Anyway, back to what maters.
Like I said some of the chassis things are neither here nor there. The RG would probably be the better handling chassis but would represent the biggest challenge to getting the XL motor in. And since I've had an RG that is still actually an RG I now have a real soft spot for them, so don't go cutting up that red one!
The big tube spine frame of the MB would be much easier. Really all you have to do is make a different version of that mounting plate it already has.
The CB125T motor fitted in there nice and neat. You just have to make it sit a bit lower. I'll dig out that front down tube for you, it will all become obvious once you see it.:niceone:

If you do use a coby please use a descent length pipe at least 1000mm total but preferably longer other wise it'll be flat as a turd, like half those boy racer cars you're into!:lol:



Nah the red one is my Brothers bike and yeah it aint being cut up.... Its my old shitta. but Yeah I think Ill use the MB chassis as it is easier to hack up. Meaning make some new mounting plates shouldnt be to hard, And just use some RG forks and wheels, as The thing is I need to find alot of bits for that MB to make it 100% so if I can use some partsi havelying here and makeit good it should work.......


Nothing flat about my car exhaust system either probly makes more power than your SV hahaha

[Sully60]

Nah the red one is my Brothers bike and yeah it aint being cut up.... Its my old shitta. but Yeah I think Ill use the MB chassis as it is easier to hack up. Meaning make some new mounting plates shouldnt be to hard, And just use some RG forks and wheels, as The thing is I need to find alot of bits for that MB to make it 100% so if I can use some partsi havelying here and makeit good it should work.......


Nothing flat about my car exhaust system either probly makes more power than your SV hahaha


No doubt that it does but can your car smoke its tyres all the way around the Slipway? I think not.
Anyway you can't do wheelies in a car, so really thats a lame comparison.

[Ivan]

No doubt that it does but can your car smoke its tyres all the way around the Slipway? I think not.
Anyway you can't do wheelies in a car, so really thats a lame comparison.


I cant do wheelies in my car nah that sucks... i tryed in my van hahahaha


And tryed stoppies in the van


I reckon I could skid 1 lap of slipway aye

[Slingshot]

Wicked!
How far did you take it for a ride?

Just up and down the drive a couple of times, I don't want to wear it out before Sunday!

[fi5hy]

If you lads can remember that far back I put a GL 145 motor in a RG 50 Frame, it did go in but you have to make the bottom frame rails so they can be removed from the frame. Nice fit and it went ok. I think I had to do some work on the motor and as i finshed I looked across at the ZXR frame and said I think that fucker will go in there and it did in about two minutes. So the end of the RG it was, I think I sold that to Mike Cudby.:clap:

[Ivan]

I actually think I remember that bike

Yeah im gonna use the Rigider chassis as there wontbe as much frame flex etc and i mean it had a CB125t in it it will take a 100 single

[Sully60]

If you lads can remember that far back I put a GL 145 motor in a RG 50 Frame, it did go in but you have to make the bottom frame rails so they can be removed from the frame. Nice fit and it went ok. I think I had to do some work on the motor and as i finshed I looked across at the ZXR frame and said I think that fucker will go in there and it did in about two minutes. So the end of the RG it was, I think I sold that to Mike Cudby.:clap:

Fark! how far back was that Fish? Ivan was probably just starting primary school.

Yeah those ZXR's have got heaps of room under the bonnet. I reackon a big (5 valve) single would be good for when theres no bucket racing.

a little bit like this:http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1306377&postcount=192

[Skunk]

Skunkworks Norf Welly Massif Bucket Factory (hereafter refered to as SWNWMBF (edit: fuck that it's too long too. How about The Skunkworks Factory)) will be open tomorrow.

Any bikes passing through can now be labeled as such.

BYO bike, beer, and food. I'm broke.

Bring me Bourbon.

[quallman1234]

Skunkworks Norf Welly Massif Bucket Factory (hereafter refered to as SWNWMBF (edit: fuck that it's too long too. How about The Skunkworks Factory)) will be open tomorrow.

Any bikes passing through can now be labeled as such.

BYO bike, beer, and food. I'm broke.

Bring me Bourbon.

Hey ill pop in around about 6-7pm is that alright or too late?

[Skunk]

I've got the Smoke Machine™ running better I think :confused:

It revved out OK without load but wouldn't under load. So I've done the timing, the cam timing, the tappets, and the carbs.

Bling if someone can guess what the biggest problem was...

Anyway; two bikes to the track tomorrow! Yay (ish). Haven't seen quallman yet.

[quallman1234]

I've got the Smoke Machine™ running better I think :confused:

It revved out OK without load but wouldn't under load. So I've done the timing, the cam timing, the tappets, and the carbs.

Bling if someone can guess what the biggest problem was...

Anyway; two bikes to the track tomorrow! Yay (ish). Haven't seen quallman yet.

Hey didnt you hear my RG into your driveway.

I got home too late (from the trial ride)
So i went over to your house on the way home to tell you that i wasnt coming over with the bucket tonight :doh:

Next time it is.
Sorry about that

[Skunk]

I heard you leave... I'd just gone inside after giving up on you.

Try the door bell next time :lol:

[quallman1234]

I heard you leave... I'd just gone inside after giving up on you.

Try the door bell next time :lol:

:jerry:.

Im not riding in the buckets tommorow anyway but am next weekend.

So the real question is what bike are you going to race 2moro and are you going to the endurance race?

[Sully60]

I've got the Smoke Machine™ running better I think :confused:

It revved out OK without load but wouldn't under load. So I've done the timing, the cam timing, the tappets, and the carbs.

Bling if someone can guess what the biggest problem was...

Anyway; two bikes to the track tomorrow! Yay (ish). Haven't seen quallman yet.


Just to cover some bases I guess a leak? Or dodgy spark plugs, theres really nothing else (ponders the truth in saying that as I type)

[Skunk]

I'll try them both. Yep, doing the 'endurance' race. I've got a second rider lined up to partner me.

If the ZX125RT runs OK I may loan that out or run it instead.

[Skunk]

Just to cover some bases I guess a leak?
Sorta - not close enough...

[Sully60]

Sorta - not close enough...

Check edit some more ides popped into my head!

[Skunk]

Not electrical in any form. I should have guessed what was wrong when we first got it running.

[ajturbo]

Wicked!
I'm a single dad of a four year old boy at the moment


swap ya for a 15 year old?

[ajturbo]

Not electrical in any form. I should have guessed what was wrong when we first got it running.

lack of fuel?
leaking carb?
bad rider?
poor helpers?
not enough bourbon?
tooo much bourbon?
tyre presure too low/high?
frame bent?
lack of pistons?
rings not there? (craig stole them?)
jets not big/small enough?
needed an air filter?
earmuffs had hole in them?
helmet on backwards?
undies too tight?
forgot to empty diapers?
old petrol?
:2thumbsup

[Skunk]

lack of fuel?
leaking carb?
not enough bourbon?
lack of pistons?
rings not there? (craig stole them?)
jets not big/small enough?
needed an air filter?
old petrol?
:2thumbsup
One of those was very, very close.

[ajturbo]

it's the jets...

carb leaking



where's my gear leaver?????

[mud boy]

lack of fuel?
leaking carb?
bad rider?
poor helpers?
not enough bourbon?
tooo much bourbon?
tyre presure too low/high?
frame bent?
lack of pistons?
rings not there? (craig stole them?)
jets not big/small enough?
needed an air filter?
earmuffs had hole in them?
helmet on backwards?
undies too tight?
forgot to empty diapers?
old petrol?
:2thumbsup


and i was thinking that its the poor rider hehehe

[Skunk]

it's the jets...

carb leaking



where's my gear leaver?????
Getting closer. Gear lever?! Where's ya bike!?


and i was thinking that its the poor rider hehehe
Watch it boy. I'm older, wiser and smart enough to get you when you least expect it...

Anyway I'm off to the track soon. You guys coming?

[mud boy]

Getting closer. Gear lever?! Where's ya bike!?


Watch it boy. I'm older, wiser and smart enough to get you when you least expect it...

Anyway I'm off to the track soon. You guys coming?

hehe lol yep where coming soon too just waiting for dad to get out of the shower :whistle:

and we have no gear lever for the cb!!! dad put it on the gt:weep:

older fuck yeah, wiser yeah whatever! hahaha what a luagh

[gav]

Two stroke fuel?

[Skunk]

Two stroke fuel?
Nah. I had to put the boys out out their misery today as they still couldn't guess.


The main jet had fallen out of one carb...

[mud boy]

hahaha:lol:

[Ivan]

Well an update for all you thinking poor old "lucky" had been given up ive been quiet working away.....

The Chassis has now been altererd to suit the XL100 engine, mounts the lot, engine is mounted in frame, tank fits on YAY...

And now the chassis is running RG50 front forks, brakes, and wheels so aka a whole RG front end, Just got to build a fork brace now.....

Rear wheel is a RG50 rear wheel just had to make some new spacers for the rim to fit properly.........


Shes startign to look good am now just on the lookout for a XL/XR/GL header pipe so I can make my zorst system......

and now just wire up the points ignition system and she will be sweet Hoping that by the weekend I will have bike going but dont know as I need things like a spark plug and really a top end gasket set

[quallman1234]

Well an update for all you thinking poor old "lucky" had been given up ive been quiet working away.....

The Chassis has now been altererd to suit the XL100 engine, mounts the lot, engine is mounted in frame, tank fits on YAY...

And now the chassis is running RG50 front forks, brakes, and wheels so aka a whole RG front end, Just got to build a fork brace now.....

Rear wheel is a RG50 rear wheel just had to make some new spacers for the rim to fit properly.........


Shes startign to look good am now just on the lookout for a XL/XR/GL header pipe so I can make my zorst system......

and now just wire up the points ignition system and she will be sweet Hoping that by the weekend I will have bike going but dont know as I need things like a spark plug and really a top end gasket set
Are you going to attempt to ride?:baby:

[Skunk]

Well an update for all you thinking poor old "lucky" had been given up ive been quiet working away...

and now just wire up the points ignition system and she will be sweet Hoping that by the weekend I will have bike going but dont know as I need things like a spark plug and really a top end gasket set
I think it's going to be yet another stillborn bucket... Especially now the series is over until February. I'm betting you'll pull it apart out of boredom. Prove me wrong.

On a different note: I have some unusual two stoke chamber design software. It doesn't use the same inputs as most that I've found. I'm going to build a chamber for the AX with it and see how it goes. If anyone is interested in a design PM me. The inputs required are:

two or three stage diffuser,
Target BMEP (GP=12, Enduro=8)
Exhaust port effective diameter (mm)
effective diameter at the barrel flange (mm)
distance from piston face to flange
exhaust port opening angle (deg ATDC)
Peak hp revs

[fi5hy]

F**K mate buy a Loncin and be done with it. :calm:

[Skunk]

F**K mate buy a Loncin and be done with it. :calm:
Who are YOU talking too?

We have bets as to how long the Loncin will last.

[Ivan]

i reckon aye fishy or keep it real and keep a honda

[quallman1234]

Hey guys i found out that my "bucket" *Ahem* *Cough* yes my bucket since this is a bucket thread... Of course its not my RG150...

Anywho

I whip out the plug out of my bike and found that it was running a colder plug a B7ES (Slightly colder) and noticed the piece of metal at the top was completely dry.
Is this normal or is it running too lean / rich?

Ive put in a B8ES for now (normal type)

[Skunk]

Have a look at the plug reading guide I have here (http://www.skunkworks.net.nz/links.php). See how it compares.

[quallman1234]

Have a look at the plug reading guide I have here (http://www.skunkworks.net.nz/links.php). See how it compares.

Cheers looks pretty dark too me and dry.

My bike seems to be lacking any top end power like it wont rev pass 11k and doesnt seem to have that powerband hit like other RG's could this be a sign of it running too lean. also noteably the exhaust has no baffles in it.

I got AJ tonight to adjust the powervalve timing to spec. Not much improvement.

Maybe it could be rings?

Any ideas (sorry its not a bucket! close enough tho)
Much appreciated

[Ivan]

It could depend on alot of things itshard to see your photo....

If its black it is most likely rich

For a perfect plug reading you want it to be slight tan coloured,

Butthe thing is I wouldnt worry to much your bike goes good,muck around playing with jets and you couold cause some damage

I mean if you were racing it then yeah you wantit good but for the road pffft who cares

[Ivan]

Now getting back onto subject Im about to go find a spark plug and kickstart and try wire up this coil,

Then Im going to try start it today for the first time :banana:

[SHELRACING]

Hi guys,
here's a few pic's from the practice day before the 2hr.
Check out the dude with the bright red leathers, I think the name is Hayden Fitzgerald!
Bike #89

[ajturbo]

Check out the dude with the bright red leathers, I think the name is Hayden Fitzgerald!
Bike #89


Oh dear.... ANOTHER wanaby:oi-grr:

[Ivan]

Got spark now gotta get engine to run

[Skunk]

Now getting back onto subject Im about to go find a spark plug and kickstart and try wire up this coil,

Then Im going to try start it today for the first time :banana:


Got spark now gotta get engine to run

:Oi:Stop polluting OUR thread boy... You've made 466 posts in this thread so far and you STILL don't have a bucket you've built that you're raced at one of the meetings. Hush now until you do. :killingme

[Ivan]

my thread tbh I started it lol.


Ah well itwas most of you probly though nothign was happeningwithherbutit is shes an old slut and is gonna be thrashed whenit fires up

[fi5hy]

Who are YOU talking too?

We have bets as to how long the Loncin will last.


Come on Chaps How long???

[bungbung]

Less than the length of the enduro without needing some kind of repair

[ajturbo]

Come on Chaps How long???


57min and 12sec....

so if you need to push it for the last couple of min, i MAY be able to catch up...
:Punk:

[Ivan]

allgood, go the :bye:Loncin i say

[fi5hy]

57min and 12sec....

so if you need to push it for the last couple of min, i MAY be able to catch up...
:Punk:

The Dulux rebuild will hold up I'm sure.


Go the Lonnnnnnngchin:finger:

[gav]

Hi guys,
here's a few pic's from the practice day before the 2hr.
Check out the dude with the bright red leathers, I think the name is Hayden Fitzgerald!
Bike #89
So what class is that yellow Metrakit racing in?

[Ivan]

That Metra kit is cool.


A well Im getting bored of teh intranet so imm offfff to buildme a championship winning bucket well actually just try get it started

[Skunk]

Anyone looking for a bucket?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Parts-accessories/Other/auction-130086909.htm

[gav]

That Metra kit is cool.

It might be cool, but it certainly ain't allowed to race as a bucket!

[Ivan]

Ah well he looks young,

I wouldnt overly worry if he was out there just to do some laps on it...
He might be heading over for the MetraKit series in the states...

Wait I gotta go back and looksy at it again It looks like a Metra Kit chassis with a four stroke in it Metrakits are 2 stroke...

But like I said I gotta go back and look

[Ivan]

Yip shes a 2 smoker metrakit.


Its the 50 tho,

WOuldnt be the end of the world your guys FXR's would blow thisout the weeds,


:devil2:

[SHELRACING]

So what class is that yellow Metrakit racing in?


Normally he rides with us in in the 50cc (F5) class. He rode with the scooters in there 50 lap memorial trophy, rather than in the big 2hr.
I think he's only just turned 13.

His riding has improved heaps and the more he gets use to the bike and track the faster he's going.

I think he looks rather impressive with his bike and gear.

[Ivan]

Yip good on him he does look good....


GO for it guys

[Ivan]

Well the old girl is running now as of 9:30 this morning the neighbours got to hear a 4 stroke single cylinder thumper which hasnt been heard in these areassince the days of my lawn mower which was saturday,

And I took some pics for you guys wanting to see my progress,

[Sully60]

Well the old girl is running now as of 9:30 this morning the neighbours got to hear a 4 stroke single cylinder thumper which hasnt been heard in these areassince the days of my lawn mower which was saturday,

And I took some pics for you guys wanting to see my progress,

Fuck thats ugly! Where'd you get that one Ivan?

[Ivan]

Lol the stroy came off my head and the bike I got that of some munter who owns some blue noisy bucket aye...

[bungbung]

Lol the stroy came off my head

Is that engine zip tied onto the frame?

[xwhatsit]

Is that engine zip tied onto the frame?

*Chuckle* that's what I was thinking... you'd better hope that engine is as piss-weak powerless as it looks, otherwise it'll pull itself off as soon as you drop the clutch :lol:

[F5 Dave]

Sheet! the amount of bikes that pass through your hands, some of them actually being raced by other people & that is what you come up with?

Feck that is Fugly. + the engine looks like it is further back than the rider, well maybe.

The Metrakit is ridden by Dave Dip's son. A mere kid but is already faster than dad in the dirt & no one has won more F5 or F4 champs (or 2 hours) in Auckland club champs than Dave. Be afraid!

Obviously the bike would have to be legalised when he races it properly. Hmmm, The engine thinking about it is sourced from a Derbi streetbike like the Aprilia RS50 (Scooter centre had one a while back) so is actually legal if it hasn't got any special hot up parts in it.

[Ivan]

Its good itbolted in not zip tied lol

[Slingshot]

Does anyone have advice on the ideal wheel sizes for a bucket racer? I've decided that I want to get onto a better profile tire and to do that I'm pretty sure I need to change the current 18" rims.

[speedpro]

Find the best tyres you want to pay for and then buy or build the optimum wheels for the tyres. Currently you are looking at 17' rims at about 2.15"+ wide on the front and about 2.5"+ for the rear. Depends on the type of tyres you go for. 2.25" and 3" are probably big enough for a bucket.

[Sully60]

Does anyone have advice on the ideal wheel sizes for a bucket racer? I've decided that I want to get onto a better profile tire and to do that I'm pretty sure I need to change the current 18" rims.

2.15 x 17 front with a 90/80-17 tyre and 3.5 x 17 rear running a 115 width rear would be the ideal sizes or you can run 2.5 rear rims (lots around ol' skool crossply tyre sized rim for mid eighties 250's)with the 90/80 front tyre turned around.
Good luck finding some, you'll be looking at about $200 each for the rims not including the discs or sprockets carriers etc.

If it sounds like I've done this before, you'd be right.:msn-wink:

[Slingshot]

2.15 x 17 front with a 90/80-17 tyre and 3.5 x 17 rear running a 115 width rear would be the ideal sizes or you can run 2.5 rear rims (lots around ol' skool crossply tyre sized rim for mid eighties 250's)with the 90/80 front tyre turned around.
Good luck finding some, you'll be looking at about $200 each for the rims not including the discs or sprockets carriers etc.

If it sounds like I've done this before, you'd be right.:msn-wink:

These don't exactly fit the specs above...but what do you think? (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=130164550)

Or these could be good...but quite pricey. (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=130429344)

[Skunk]

These don't exactly fit the specs above...but what do you think? (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=130164550)

Or these could be good...but quite pricey. (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=130429344)
FZR are too heavy for your bike... Go for the TZ ones - they'll be good I think. If they don't work out I'll take them off your hands for a few beers.

[Sketchy_Racer]

uggh 16 inch wheels.. not cutie cutie.

Those FZR rims are pretty good though.

Hey if your prepared to pay the amount for those FZR rims, i'll have a set of RS125 (speak SUPER light weight, and perfect bucket size) with slicks mounted for a similar price...

[Skunk]

Hmmm, how hard is it to find good 16" rubber?

[Sully60]

uggh 16 inch wheels.. not cutie cutie. ...
Ha classic I love that bit of that add, being a parent of four year old!

Glenns right no good tyres available unless you run a 3.5x 16 inch rim and know someone who works at Bridgestone or Michelin if you get my drift.



Those FZR rims are pretty good though.

Hey if your prepared to pay the amount for those FZR rims, i'll have a set of RS125 (speak SUPER light weight, and perfect bucket size) with slicks mounted for a similar price...

Perfect if you can afford.

[Slingshot]

Hmmm, how hard is it to find good 16" rubber?

I've got a box of them in my draws beside my bed. :shifty:

[Sully60]

I've got a box of them in my draws beside my bed. :shifty:

So thats why the ledsled works for you too!

Lots of room

[Slingshot]

Hey if your prepared to pay the amount for those FZR rims, i'll have a set of RS125 (speak SUPER light weight, and perfect bucket size) with slicks mounted for a similar price...

The bonus with the FZR wheels is that the front wheel comes with pretty much the whole front end. Couldn't justify that amount just on wheels...probably can't justify it regardless.

So 17" it is.

[Skunk]

The bonus with the FZR wheels is that the front wheel comes with pretty much the whole front end. Couldn't justify that amount just on wheels...probably can't justify it regardless.

So 17" it is.
Next you'll be looking for an alloy frame and a four-stroke to go with the wheels...

[Ivan]

hahaha

Atleast wedissing FZR rims now and not my bucket you girlys wait this things gonna be running at race standered in a matter of no time I got a mate who keeping me motovated,

But also there might be a YZ80 Big Wheel 1993 ish for sale soon,

[F5 Dave]

. . .Atleast wedissing FZR rims now and not my bucket you girlys wait this things gonna be running at race standered in a matter of no time I got a mate who keeping me motovated, . .
Well it couldn't last, Ivan is back to the usual unintelligible spiel.

[Ivan]

Yip I was in a rush when I wrote that as my internet time was about to cut off.


I think yes the FZRrims are good with front end etc,

But glens one's would well suit your bike more, The weight of an RS125 is bloody light, It has the thing that the tires you would eventually end up putting on your rims are there,

But the main thing is the weight:rockon:

[bungbung]

Well it couldn't last, Ivan is back to the usual unintelligible spiel.


It has the thing that the tires you would eventually end up putting on your rims are there

Where can I get one of these things from?
They sound good...

[Ivan]

Why??????????

Why?????????????????????????/

Is everybody always picking on me

[Sully60]

Why??????????

Why?????????????????????????/

Is everybody always picking on me

Cos you walked in the classroom cool and slow.
Who called the english teacher Daddy O'
He's a clown, that Charlie Brown, He's a Clown that Charlie Brown.

He's gunna get caught just you wait and see.....



Why is everybody always picking on me?

[Ivan]

I washoping someone said that bling bling on its way to Craig

[Sully60]

I washoping someone said that bling bling on its way to Craig

Does that mean you actually know what I was on about? If so well done YOUNG man!

[Skunk]

Here's some cheaper wheels (FZR/TZR) Slingshot: Tardeme link (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Parts-accessories/Frames-bodywork/auction-130946234.htm) and I have other parts (forks, clamps) you could borrow until you get some. Not as good condition but...

[ajturbo]

YES FOLKS>>>


THE GT IS ...........

ALIVE...


be afraid... be very afraid!!:headbang::Punk:

[ajturbo]

Here's some cheaper wheels (FZR/TZR) Slingshot: Tardeme link (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Parts-accessories/Frames-bodywork/auction-130946234.htm) and I have other parts (forks, clamps) you could borrow until you get some. Not as good condition but...


they look heavier than his bike!!!

[Skunk]

YES FOLKS>>>


THE GT IS ...........

ALIVE...


be afraid... be very afraid!!:headbang::Punk:
I guess the Skunkworks Norf Welly Massif Bucket Factory should open on Sunday... I just have to move a shed.

[xwhatsit]

Sorry to interrupt you nice, cogent, cohesive chaps, but I've got a question.

A nice man called Twinkle dropped a CB250RS (engine in boxes and fecked) to me last night. The chassis looks greeeeet. It's quite a light chassis; suited to buckets? I really want to do bucketing at some stage, and this seems like a good opportunity to save for.

Any advice on appropriate engines? Obviously the normal 250RS route of dropping an XR500 mill into it won't quite suit bucketing, how about CG125? A stroker? Thanks, guys.

[Sully60]

You could do worse, but the RS chassis would really be less than ideal.
They are light good handling machines in their own right but I think in the long run you might be better to invest in something else.
The old AC Cobra mantra of small light chassis with a bigger motor applies as well to buckets as the XR500 in the CB250RS if you get my drift.

[xwhatsit]

You could do worse, but the RS chassis would really be less than ideal.
They are light good handling machines in their own right but I think in the long run you might be better to invest in something else.
The old AC Cobra mantra of small light chassis with a bigger motor applies as well to buckets as the XR500 in the CB250RS if you get my drift.

So it's too heavy/big for buckets? TBH I'm not terribly interested in going fast or winning, I'm a student with less than no money. The XL/R500 Post-classics/trackday route is expensive and sort of being thrown in the deep-end; I like the loose kind of ideals of buckets.

Perhaps if somebody wanted to swap, or something, but I'm more than happy kicking around the tail end of the field.

What's a good common thumper engine you guys use?

[Sully60]

So it's too heavy/big for buckets? TBH I'm not terribly interested in going fast or winning,

As I said you could do worse, at least you've got lots of scope for mounting the engine in the (relatively cavernous:laugh:) space between the front down tube and the swing arm pivot.




What's a good common thumper engine you guys use?

Suzuki GN,GS,DR125 and Honda CB,XL125 would be the most common 4t singles used. The increased capacity rule change from a couple of years ago means there a quite a few FXR150's being used now, especially down south.

Get in contact with the AMCC guys that race at Mt Wellington, you'll probably find that someone would be selling a bucket or have a spare one to have a crack on. It's one of those situations that once you're moving in the right circles things become easier to find. And generallly at bucket level everyone is more than willing to help you out with advice.

Good luck and good on ya for wanting to get into it!

[Slingshot]

This is what the Skunkworks Norf Welly Massif Bucket Factory is missing

A home-made inertia dyno (http://www1.cedar-rapids.net/tdkmotor/DYNO.HTM)

http://www1.cedar-rapids.net/tdkmotor/EARSLEY2.JPG

I'm thinking that between us we could probably manage to throw one of these together. Someone on KB should be able to write the software and maybe even design the data capture set-up (the one they used is $600USD).

[Sully60]

This is what the Skunkworks Norf Welly Massif Bucket Factory is missing"

A home-made inertia dyno (http://www1.cedar-rapids.net/tdkmotor/DYNO.HTM)

http://www1.cedar-rapids.net/tdkmotor/EARSLEY2.JPG

I'm thinking that between us we could probably manage to throw one of these together. Someone on KB should be able to write the software and maybe even design the data capture set-up (the one they used is $600USD).

Cool!
I'm in, but I'll have to sell a coulpe organs or something to come up with any cash at the mo':(

Does anybody want a set of hand made megaphones for a CB125T? Nah just kidding!:bleh:

If we build it ourselves we don't need to worry about using archaic references like horsepower, pfft.
We could call them Bucket Watts, Gruntatrons, Whoahometers/second,


oooorrr!




Skunkabooms!:gob:

We could make the units really small, so that most buckets made at least a thousand Skunkabooms!

"Yeah the new carby gave me an extra 400 SKB's at the top so know i've got 1500 Skunkabooms, that dyno's fucken wicked man"!:shifty:

BTW: This isn't a pisstake of the idea John, one question though, who's going to have it at there house?

[Slingshot]

Skunkabooms...Love it!!


It would probably make sense for it to live at SkunkWorks...space permitting obviously. Would be quite cool to make it portable though, we could take it up to the slipway for the under-privileged ones that don't have access to the bucket factory....and maybe even Ivan :shifty:

I could probably get hold of an appropriately sized flywheel and we could probably find enough steel for the frame for fairly cheep...the hard bit would be getting the software and data capture sorted for cheap...to expensive to buy off the shelf. Bayden may be a good person to talk to???

[Skunk]

I have been developing ideas for a water dyno but only for tuning (rather than Skunkaboom figures)...

But if we find us the steel and I'll be into trying this!

I did note the warnings about spinning large steel flywheels... and the engines are only kart motors (he shows one developing 13hp).

[Buddha#81]

I did note the warnings about spinning large steel flywheels.

All the more reason to do it......I would have thought.:2thumbsup

[Buddha#81]

For measuring Skunkadooms you could simpify things by using a bike computer and a stopwatch. Time the engine to hit a given speed=gains or losses in power, which is all you really need to work out.