Bucket update

[Buddha#81]

You fuggen Buddha!!

you did the 1000th post!!

.... well at least this thread will just die now...

It didn't die and I got the 2000th:Punk:

[Ocean1]

I have been developing ideas for a water dyno but only for tuning (rather than Skunkaboom figures)...

But if we find us the steel and I'll be into trying this!

I did note the warnings about spinning large steel flywheels... and the engines are only kart motors (he shows one developing 13hp).

Use a large truck engine. Custom shaft running in ball bearings clamped in the last two main bearings in the block. Bolt the truck flywheel to a flange on the shaft. Use the standard truck clutch, bell housing and gearbox primary shaft. It's pretty much all done for you.

You do need to count rev's pretty accurately though, if you expect the sort of resolution likely to "see" the typically small improvements from minor tuning changes. Counting is easy, just a proximity or magnetic switch stolen from an automotive rev counter. Plotting the trend accurately is the tricky bit. That and the sprag clutch.

[speedpro]

John connor already has a homemade dyno with custom software.
Also, you used to be able to buy a dynojet dyno that was mounted on a trailer, Chris Sayles one was like that - from Dynotech, bottom of Ngauranga gorge.

[Slingshot]

John connor already has a homemade dyno with custom software.

Is it made from left over Terminator parts?

[bungbung]

If you're going to dyno your bucket do it properly.
It's not kosher to use a commercial dyno, it needs to be made out of old washing machine parts and a bacon slicer.

[Skunk]

Who's got an old diesel truck motor laying around?

[Ocean1]

Might be able to organise something... PM sent

[quallman1234]

Ill have a look down at dad's work. Probably is something laying around.

[Skunk]

Did some work on AJ's bucket (OK, I watched AJ work) to prepare it for the Taupo Road Race Spectacular. Pushed it outside after he left. When I came back the next day it was gone.

Hope it was you who got it AJ... :shifty: How's the electrical thingys working?

[ajturbo]

ummmm...no:(..

and where's my van's engine???:cool:

[quallman1234]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Classic-vintage/auction-132330282.htm

Twin 100cc 2 smoker.... hmmm

[bungbung]

I think it's a single. Twin plugs though.

[Ivan]

Yeah the idea of a single incase 1 plug breaks down you can change to the other in a hurry but yeah

[quallman1234]

Oh duh! Should of just looked at the pipes.

[Sully60]

Oh duh! Should of just looked at the pipes.

Funny, thats what my doctor said to me the other day!

[quallman1234]

Is there any common 100cc 2 stroke twin's still around?

[Buddha#81]

Here ya go guys, bucket racing Mainland style http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4DEnA85Y7k From the helmet of Johnny.

[Skunk]

Here ya go guys, bucket racing Mainland style http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4DEnA85Y7k From the helmet of Johnny.
Nice stuff. Who was that leaning right off all the time? Tigertung got new leathers? :killingme

[Skunk]

Is there any common 100cc 2 stroke twin's still around?
Better get your pipe done before Taupo. And no.

[quallman1234]

Better get your pipe done before Taupo. And no.

Racing streetstock not buckets. Who are you sharing a pit with?

[Rashika]

Nice stuff. Who was that leaning right off all the time? Tigertung got new leathers? :killingme

that be agent 75 on his bucket (NZSBF handle)... he's kinda tall and really looks it on that bike! ;)

TT is the one who keeps heading off the ripple strip into the grass in the white (ish) leathers

[Skunk]

TT has strange lines... :mellow:

[Rashika]

TT has strange lines... :mellow:

that cos he likes to try and pass... on the ripple strip or grass half the time. :yes:
and I've been behind him a few times when he has pushed a little too far and ended on his arse (the dipper was one such spot.... fkn funny cos I had to deviate off the track to avoid him)

[Buddha#81]

TT has strange lines... :mellow:

He's a strange boy!

[Rashika]

He's a strange boy!

with even stranger taste in leathers and bikes

[koba]

Use a large truck engine. Custom shaft running in ball bearings clamped in the last two main bearings in the block. Bolt the truck flywheel to a flange on the shaft. Use the standard truck clutch, bell housing and gearbox primary shaft. It's pretty much all done for you.

You do need to count rev's pretty accurately though, if you expect the sort of resolution likely to "see" the typically small improvements from minor tuning changes. Counting is easy, just a proximity or magnetic switch stolen from an automotive rev counter. Plotting the trend accurately is the tricky bit. That and the sprag clutch.

http://www.dynamometer-info.co.uk/diy-dynamometer.htm

More info on the dyno idea...
I really like the idea aye but there are compelling arguments between either intertia or brake dynos..

I think a dyno would be the bestestest thing for making buckets go good.

[speedpro]

I think a dyno would be the bestestest thing for making buckets go good.

That or getting Ivan to build them for you :whistle:

[quallman1234]

Bwahaha i found out why my rg wasn't working quite right... haha

[bungbung]

Bwahaha i found out why my rg wasn't working quite right... haha

Was it something to do with Ivan?

[Ocean1]

I really like the idea aye but there are compelling arguments between either intertia or brake dynos..

I think a dyno would be the bestestest thing for making buckets go good.

Only ever used a big water brake dyno, not familliar with bike-specific ones.

One advantage of the brake dynos is you can take steady state readings, you can hold an engine at a certain load/rev and mess with it. That's very handy when you're working with simple adjustment settings because you get data in real-time. The main disadvantage is that all brake dynos make heat, and that affects the load and has to be compensated for, our one had a table of offsets you needed to apply but less ancient ones correct automatically.

Inertial dynos like that flywheel concept would be easy enough to construct, but you'd have to take accurate data snapshots as it spins up. The larger the mass the longer it'd take, and the less accurate you'd have to be with timing. The only real downside seems to be it's inability to hold still while you mess with things.

[quallman1234]

Was it something to do with Ivan?

No no ivan hasn't touched this bike. Ok he rode it up and down the street actually.

The powervalve actuator wasn't even connected to the powervalve's properly... Its something ivan would probably do tho!

[koba]

No no ivan hasn't touched this bike. Ok he rode it up and down the street actually.

The powervalve actuator wasn't even connected to the powervalve's properly... Its something ivan would probably do tho!

Ahh, I do remember the manual saying to use loctite (or the suzuki official equivalent) on the grubscrew that locates the fork bit on that arm bit...

[Ivan]

Fuck off, I wouldnt even fuck round with powervalves and whats thatgot to do with buckets any way lol

[quallman1234]

Fuck off, I wouldnt even fuck round with powervalves and whats thatgot to do with buckets any way lol

Why not, they are extremely simple.

This wouldn't be the first time there was an :Offtopic: post in this thread.

Has the next bucket meeting been confirmed?

[Ivan]

I ride 125's:clap: no powervalves in that sucker haha

Well since we getting offsubject I am going to have my 125 engine checked over and might even run a faster 125 at Puke if I am able to suss it out

[Skunk]

Finally got the 17" wheels on the bucket so we'll see how it handles at Taupo. Can't test it here as the fancy new disc for the brakes is waiting in Hawkes Bay for me.
Here's a computer rendition from the CAD file.

[k14]

I ride 125's:clap: no powervalves in that sucker haha

Well since we getting offsubject I am going to have my 125 engine checked over and might even run a faster 125 at Puke if I am able to suss it out
What you mean faster? Your one is fast as, faster than mine anyway. With you on it you wouldn't need a fast bike anyway. Going fast at puke is all about rider skill, something you have plenty of....

[Ivan]

Yeah my ones cool as and I love it and all that but,

My brother probly aint riding his 98 at Pukekohe and it got better suspension, Ported cases etc its awsoem myne is good it depends,

Most likely I will be on my 96 tho...


Should be fun

[saxet]

Het AJ,Remind Luke to bring my back protector to the next round of Welly buckets, I didn't remember till I was comming home. What happened to the 150 he was riding' the last I saw was him pushing it off track at Taupo?

[Skunk]

Het AJ,Remind Luke to bring my back protector to the next round of Welly buckets, I didn't remember till I was comming home. What happened to the 150 he was riding' the last I saw was him pushing it off track at Taupo?
Lukes bike seized. He has the back protector in the van.

Shame about your bike mate...

[CM2005]

hey skunk... your AX100 is pretty fast!! i couldnt catch u at taupo, what secrety tuning have you done to it?

[Sketchy_Racer]

hahahahahaha i'll let skunk answer that. lets just say, it DEFINATLY isn't stock

[Skunk]

hey skunk... your AX100 is pretty fast!! i couldnt catch u at taupo, what secrety tuning have you done to it?
Pete Sales fixed a botched porting job the best he can.

189° exhaust and a 28mm flat slide, different (not bigger) reed block. Squish added to the head. Lots of touches to the ports to even things up. That's about it. Haven't done the chamber yet so it's just got a TZR250 one; which left me it a pickle if I got blocked at turn one or two as it fell off the power but was too fast for the next gear down (only a four speed box).

Fuckin' great fun though! Can't wait for next year.

[ajturbo]

Pete Sales fixed a botched porting job the best he can.

189° exhaust and a 28mm flat slide, different (not bigger) reed block. Squish added to the head. Lots of touches to the ports to even things up. That's about it. Haven't done the chamber yet so it's just got a TZR250 one; which left me it a pickle if I got blocked at turn one or two as it fell off the power but was too fast for the next gear down (only a four speed box).

Fuckin' great fun though! Can't wait for next year.
yer all that $$ and mine is still stock apart from the air filters!!!

and the clip-ons
and rear sets...

thanks for all your help getting the gt out there matey!

[ajturbo]

Het AJ,Remind Luke to bring my back protector to the next round of Welly buckets, I didn't remember till I was comming home. What happened to the 150 he was riding' the last I saw was him pushing it off track at Taupo?
i have yet to phone up billy.. so not tooo sure what is stopping the kick starter from moving..... not sure why it stopped...just one of those things...

i remembered as we were cleaning up about the back protecter, as if he had needed it, he was mostly on his/someones push bike... did you know that he had to get the abo out as he had crashed on it?!!!!.. plaster on his elbo...

that will teach him to ride a push bike with no leathers... where are the nanny state tree huggers when you need them eh?

[saxet]

looks like it might be electrics, anyone got a cdi unit for a GP100 or 125?

[Skunk]

yer all that $$ and mine is still stock apart from the air filters!
But, but, it started cheap...

Hang on, what was the recent bill for your 'tune-up'? :lol:

[nudemetalz]

When's the next meet for the buckets at the Windmill ?

I talked to the wife about these and she's basically said if I want to get back into it I'm allowed....
Sheez Skunk, you're a bad influence ;)

[Slingshot]

When's the next meet for the buckets at the Windmill ?

I talked to the wife about these and she's basically said if I want to get back into it I'm allowed....
Sheez Skunk, you're a bad influence ;)

To my knowledge, it hasn't been confirmed yet but is likely to be late Feb. Keep an eye on this thread and this site. (http://www.scs.net.nz/calendar.php?year=2008&month=02)

And yes...Skunk is a bad influence. I suspect that we'll soon have another member of the Norf Welly Massif race team :)

[nudemetalz]

Thanks and there is a very strong possibility of that, Slingshot ;)

[Skunk]

I'm back now and modding the AX100. The Bucket Factory is open again!

OT - Nudes: you know much about RD400s? I've 'obtained' two part bikes but I think they're different models - no ID on one...

[nudemetalz]

I know a wee bit, but here's a good website for you
http://www.aircooledrdclub.co.uk/forum/default.asp

[Skunk]

I know a wee bit, but here's a good website for you
http://www.aircooledrdclub.co.uk/forum/default.asp
Cheers! Registered!

[nudemetalz]

Also, with regards to the RD400, this may help also.
First three numbers, I assume frame numbers.

RD 400 C 1976 1A1
RD 400 D 1977 1A1
RD 400 E 1978 2V4
RD 400 E-F 1978-79 2R9
RD 400 G 1980 3M4

[Skunk]

Cheers for the info. Looks like I have an F frame only and a C/D frame, engine etc.

[Pumba]

Hey bucket people, as I know this is one place most of you in the know frequent I thought I would ask the question.

My frame is not the best, and I may have the chance to get hold of a RGV rolling frame (pretty much a complete bike but the engine is f#$ked) would transplating my engine into the RGV be worth it? asuming I can get it for the right money.

[CM2005]

Hey bucket people, as I know this is one place most of you in the know frequent I thought I would ask the question.

My frame is not the best, and I may have the chance to get hold of a RGV rolling frame (pretty much a complete bike but the engine is f#$ked) would transplating my engine into the RGV be worth it? asuming I can get it for the right money.

Hi Pumba, whats your current kwakka frame? Using an RGV frame will give you engine mount problems, and also, the RX engine will be pretty lost in an RGV frame! The RGV frame will be slower steering and higher weight because of wide wheels, and might not give the same feedback because of the stiff suspension. I used a GP125 with standard frame and sticky 18" rims and i have no probs with that. Look for a smaller frame if you can find one. Also, would you be riding it round Mt Welly alot?

Josh

[Pumba]

Hey Josh

The Kawaka frame is a G4 an old trail bike frame from the investigations I have made, its not wounderfull, but neither am I.

Thanks for your comments somthing to think about.

I will be riding Mt Welly alot, so far I have familiarised myself with the track surface on 3 of the corners as well as a bit of grass on the outfeild:lol:

[CM2005]

Hey Josh
I will be riding Mt Welly alot, so far I have familiarised myself with the track surface on 3 of the corners as well as a bit of grass on the outfeild:lol:

I know the G4 frame, is it suspension, ground clearance etc letting you down?
I've done two track inspections of mt welly, on the far hairpin... :Oops:

And what happened to the Yamaha frame?

[speedpro]

The Kawaka frame is a G4 an old trail bike frame from the investigations I have made, its not wounderfull, but neither am I.

My mate Jim let me ride his G4 framed bucket round Mt Welly. He has made no mods to the frame other than to mount radiators etc. The suspension is another matter and is completely custom. I flattened the sidestand mounting tab round the sweeper in my 1/2 hour session on it without falling off. I also nearly wore through the leather on the side of my boots(not the soles) and had wear marks from my boots to my knee sliders.

The chassis is fine, it's the suspension and wheels that will be letting you down.

[quallman1234]

Time to pull out the bucket from the garage :niceone:.

Was it bungbung who offered me that expansion chamber?

[bungbung]

Yup, I've sent a PM

[F5 Dave]

Hey! not my famed Ugly chamber?

[bungbung]

Hey! not my famed Ugly chamber?

Nah, 0.5xTZR250, A100 choice of champs

[bungbung]

Ivan's ugly chamber vs F5 Dave's ugly chamber: who will win?

Dave's is pretty in comparison (but will win in performance)

[quallman1234]

For the record. The Bike worked better without Ivan's Chamber attached.

Cheers for the chamber Bungbung! Legend! :eek:

[Skunk]

I've now finished making the AX100 a mono shock. We'll have to see if it works in Feb I guess.

[Buddha#81]

I've now finished making the AX100 a mono shock. We'll have to see if it works in Feb I guess.



Photo's please

[Slingshot]

I can't wait for the series to start this year!!

It sounds like we going to have at least a couple of new competitors this year so the racing should be good.

I think it would be good to split the F4 class between alloy framed bikes and steel tube framed bikes. From what I've seen it seems that the frame type dictates the performance of the bike.
Good still all race together though and still have an overall series winner.

Skunk, that bike of yours is going to have more technology packed in than the space shuttle!!!

[Sully60]

Skunk, that bike of yours is going to have more technology packed in than the space shuttle!!!

I would like to think that Skunks engineering is a little better than that of a space shuttle, those things blow up in huge fireballs and rain down bits and pieces from the sky.

Anyway thats AJ's and my job!

[ajturbo]

the mono shock looks great!!!:scooter:

i have yet to even look at Christine:innocent:

the gt didn't stop at taupo ( unlike luke's rg...:shutup:)and we have ground clearance ( as IF that would help me!)clip-ons, rear sets... interesting gear change set up...( now that reminds me, i have to sort that out..)

purple death is at my place waiting for bits.... like the front brake

luke's RG50 is still stock...woops..... forgot, we did put a new plug in it last year...:shutup::nono:

[Sully60]

i have yet to even look at Christine:innocent:



I could have a look at Christine this weekned if you're around we can't start the season without a full compliment of twins out there now can we.:rolleyes:

Though I'd say from the noises coming from her at the last round you'll be needing some spares, I have a hunt in my treasure trove and drag out some bits.

So you like them clips ons eh?
I saw some pics fron th RR spectaculaaarrrr and that GT looks well racy now man, good shit!

[ajturbo]

will be working all weekend... but not at night....

how about i get some burbons for sat. night?...

we take christine down stairs
and poke her till she screams...again

[F5 Dave]

Well I finally got around to doing some work on my poor long suffering 50. It wears out rings pretty quickly as it has to rev pretty high to try & compete with bikes up to 3 times it's size. I had a funny feeling that BOB had taken it's toll (heinous over revving & I'd only taken the 50 along as a spare if the 125 died) & then I did a 2 day at Taumarunui & a meet at Slipway. Each time wondering if it would blow up, but never finding the time to rebuild it.

Result was a Ring had lost it's tip. Fortunately the bore was ok & there was just some tiny marking on the head before it got spat out. Took a nick out of the piston though. Thankfully I'd a new piston that I'd forgotten I bought. Like finding $20 behind the sofa! . . Or a hp.

[Sully60]

Like finding $20 behind the sofa! . . Or a hp.

Fuck! If you find any more horse powers can you save one for me?
Pleeeaaassseee????

Or $20 for that matter

[Skunk]

Photo's please
See below... And one of the new front disc I had made.:woohoo:

Skunk, that bike of yours is going to have more technology packed in than the space shuttle!!!I haven't even started on the flywheel and chamber... :shifty:

I could have a look at Christine this weekned if you're around we can't start the season without a full compliment of twins out there now can we.Glen is honing my sleeves I believe, so, as I'm not around on Sat night, I'll pull the CB125T out of the ZXR and strip it down during the day. Maybe paint the AX too.

How about i get some burbons for sat. night?...Yum.

[Slingshot]

See below... And one of the new front disc I had made.:woohoo:

Fuck that's cool!!!

[Ivan]

That bike looks good Skunk....

Wots the suspension like is it springy or isit allgood being like that?

Must have taken a bit to make that awsome stuff

[nudemetalz]

That is so neat, Skunk !!

[Slingshot]

That is so neat, Skunk !!

I've had a few bears and read that as
There is no seat, Skunk !! then I studied the photos for ages trying to work out where the seat wasn't.
:Oops:

[Skunk]

I've had a few bears and read that as "There's no seat" then I studied the photos for ages trying to work out where the seat wasn't.Well, I did remove the seat for two of the shots...

[Slingshot]

Well, I did remove the seat for two of the shots...

Shit did you....[goes back to study photos again]



And get more beer.

[Trudes]

I'm glad I'm not the only one going blind (ok, you may have a better excuse than that Slingshot, involving beer), I thought you said no seat too, was starting to get very worried about riding it without a seat!!! Flash Skunk, very flash!!:niceone:

[Skunk]

Must have taken a bit to make that awsome stuff
It was easier than getting Slingshots engine and chamber done. Just took a bit of planning and thought and making sure I had all the necessary bits laying around.

Drew the disc in a couple of hours and sent a CAD file to a couple of friends (one did the grinding the other the cutting)

Swingarm only took part of a Saturday to build and a quick paint on the Sunday. Still got to do a better job of shielding the carb (no filter).

[Sketchy_Racer]

Do you want a 'real' wheel hugger??

I got one real one, and plenty of them female wheel huggers too... yours for the taking :p

[Skunk]

Do you want a 'real' wheel hugger??

I got one real one, and plenty of them female wheel huggers too... yours for the taking :p
Yummy! I want.

[nudemetalz]

Sheeez, looks like I'm going to have to take lessons in elocution....

Please don't read that as "I need lessons in electrocution !!"....

[Sully60]

I got one real one, and plenty of them female wheel huggers too...

Female wheel huggers?

Do they wear tie died leathers, rose tinted glasses,and beads on their spokes?
Bet they run there bikes on bio fuel and use all natural rubber tyres..

Where do meet your one? Does she have tyre carbon black and chain lube under her fingernails?


See below... And one of the new front disc I had made.:woohoo:

That's the shizzle my nizzle!
Word up. :niceone:


I haven't even started on the flywheel and chamber... :shifty:

I see various dark arts have been employed at the SWNWMBF wise master Skunk



Glen is honing my sleeves I believe, so, as I'm not around on Sat night, I'll pull the CB125T out of the ZXR and strip it down during the day.


Good shit!
That thing should go good when we get it sorted!



Maybe paint the AX too.


Oh, oh, oh, what colour?



Shit did you....[goes back to study photos again]



And get more beer.

Aave hanther beer Jjjohn.
Shoundshhlike yourrr avinga g ggooed night t t her bro! Hic.:drinknsin

[Skunk]

Oh, oh, oh, what colour?
What colour?! What colour?!

There are only two colours for me and one is no colour at all.

[Sully60]

What colour?! What colour?!

There are only two colours for me and one is no colour at all.

Ha!
Made ya say it!


Check this out, I have created a monster:
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1376392&postcount=1

[Skunk]

Bastard! :)

[gav]

So, are you still on 18" rims and running the 4 speed gearbox?

[ajturbo]

So, are you still on 18" rims and running the 4 speed gearbox?
everything is standard.....:whistle:

[Skunk]

So, are you still on 18" rims and running the 4 speed gearbox?The gearbox is the standard 4 speed and the tank is standard. Everything else on the bike is modified in some way now.
Wheels are 17".


everything is standard.....:whistle:Tui.

[Sully60]

everything is standard.....:whistle:

I think he meant to say:

Everything is to a standard

The Skunkworks standard.


Thats the only standard round here mate!:headbang:

[Skunk]

I think it would be good to split the F4 class between alloy framed bikes and steel tube framed bikes. From what I've seen it seems that the frame type dictates the performance of the bike.
Good still all race together though and still have an overall series winner.
I think that's a good idea though I'd go with splitting along the lines of perimeter frame and backbone frame.
I feel that's the handling difference. Some of the steel perimeter frames are very good.

And as I have one of each I'd have to chose which sub-class I'm trying to get points in before the season starts!

In Christchurch they have a Proddy class and Superbucket class. Proddy for unmodified buckets, and Superbucket for those with any mods. They also run FXRs as a separate class as on their track the FXR has a longer legs than most other buckets. Seems to work well and they all race as one.

[Rashika]

In Christchurch they have a Proddy class and Superbucket class. Proddy for unmodified buckets, and Superbucket for those with any mods. They also run FXRs as a separate class as on their track the FXR has a longer legs than most other buckets. Seems to work well and they all race as one.

almost but not quite: FXRs run as superbuckets, cos we decided they weren't in the "spirit " of the proddy class (which is more to encourage newbies on stock bikes)... and cos they are quite a bit faster than the proddies, and almost all the FXRs run slicks so dont qualify as proddy anyway.
We did have a motofxr class last year for a bit of a laugh, they may not do it this year.

[Skunk]

Opps, my bad. Cheers Rashika. Oh, and congrats I gather...?

[Slingshot]

Proddy for unmodified buckets, and Superbucket for those with any mods.

Bugger, that would make my bucket a Suberbucket :eek5:

[Rashika]

Opps, my bad. Cheers Rashika. Oh, and congrats I gather...?

maybe...maybe...
guess that means I might not beat you at the BOB this year? :msn-wink:

[gav]

Hey Skunk/Sully, how would a "single shock" and "twin shock" class split the field?

[Sketchy_Racer]

Slingshot wouldn't like that idea either cause his is a single shock!

[Skunk]

I might not beat you at the BOB this year? :msn-wink:
Of course you won't... I go faster now.

And by the time I get to the next BoB I'll be so fast that I'll feel wind on my helmet.

[Skunk]

Hey Skunk/Sully, how would a "single shock" and "twin shock" class split the field?
Badly! :msn-wink:

I don't know but it's not really a handling 'revelation' is it like perimeter frames? By perimeter I mean anything that is not a single backbone.

[Skunk]

I could have a look at Christine this weekned if you're around we can't start the season without a full compliment of twins out there now can we.:rolleyes:

Though I'd say from the noises coming from her at the last round you'll be needing some spares, I have a hunt in my treasure trove and drag out some bits.
How did you guys get on last night? Ready to race?

[Sully60]

How did you guys get on last night? Ready to race?




Last night we partied all night long, had great time, but never saw each other as we were at different parties!

So no diagnoses of Christines ailments as yet.

Hey Skunk/Sully, how would a "single shock" and "twin shock" class split the field?




Badly! :msn-wink:

I don't know but it's not really a handling 'revelation' is it like perimeter frames?



Good question gav and as Skunk says the single shock/ twin shock thing is probably neither here nor there.

My thoughts are that maybe a "Post Classic" style class so that the demarcation would be based on the age of the bike's chassis would be a starting point.
The South Island Guys have their Production and Superbucket classes, which seems to be a good way split the obvious class difference, but as I understand it bikes like Skunks would now be a Superbucket due to his modifications??

I'm not sure about that rule, I'm sure someone has explained it here before.
But there does seem to be real distinction between the beam framed bikes and the rest. This is really a case of modified commuter bikes vs. purpose built sport bike chassis let alone RS125 GP framed 50s!

Don't get me wrong as I have been seriously schooled by some of them there commuter bikes so it's not all one sided.
But if we look at the results from the Slipway(a very isolated and fairly unique set of results) this year the top five bikes with beam frames sixth was a stock RG50 and seventh was a scooter!

Thing's in Welly haven't been much different in few years proceeding this as well, and I'm wondering if this phenomenon has stopped some of people with old buckets lying around from wanting to get back into it or give it a go?

I remember seeing quite a few guys show up to one or two meetings with an older bike but not many continue to turn up regularly at meetings and I think that’s a bit sad for our cool little sport.
Of course there are many other factors involved, especially here, but that's another post.

I suppose this has something to do with my idealist view that there should be a race on the programme that every competitor has a chance of mixing it at the pointy end.

Shit I've rambled on a bit here, I should really get back to the real business down in the garage!

[Slingshot]

For the last couple of meets at the slipway, my goal was to be at the front of the commuter type bikes (my previous goal was to finish a race without the bike falling to bits). I was doing pretty good in a couple of races until I crashed too.

It seems like it would liven up the racing for a number of people.

Does someone want to have a chat to Bayden and see what he thinks?

[Skunk]

Worth a crack...

I think we're a little different in that our track is tight with no real straights, and Christchurch is big and open. Therefore it makes sense the way they split the classes. I have no problem being mid-to-back of the field down there as I'm faster in a straight line than the proddy 100cc bikes.

[gav]

How about "A"grade and "B" grade etc. Maybe if you have say 3 wins in B grade you get moved up, 3 last places in A, sees you relegated? How big a fields are you getting?

[Sully60]

How about "A"grade and "B" grade etc. Maybe if you have say 3 wins in B grade you get moved up, 3 last places in A, sees you relegated? How big a fields are you getting?

Our fields through the season were generally around ten or twelve all up but we had 17 for one meeting, that was a busy day at the Slipway I tell you! :shit:
So if we get more numbers (hopefully!) having two classes/races will become necessity.

But anyway you have a good point there with it being based on ability of the rider and machine and therefore their results. It would give riders incentive to develop their bikes and riding skills, not that any bucket racers I know need further incentive.
The only downside of being put up a class means you may miss out on winning series or championship by being bumped up a grade halfway through it. This happened to quite a few friends of mine in the old Suzuki Series Tim Gibbes ran, although there was no shame being put up they possibly missed out on a trophy and everyone wants a trophy don't they?
Shift them on at the end of the season if they're :first::second::third:
And :kick: the bottom three out of A grade.
My 2c ex GST
:done:

[Fooman]

Havre you guys had a look at the NSW bucket classes:

http://postclassicracing.com.au/classes/

Some possibly useful stuff there...

Cheers,
FM

[quallman1234]

We could have a 'clubmans' class.

Provided there's enough buckets attending on the day.

If there's a huge amount of riders that specific day the organisers could decide to run a 'clubmans' class.
The Riders can decide what class they will be in.
Im sure that would work fine. Obviously from common sense the organisers won't let the likes of Sully into the 'clubmans' class. As this would be unfair.
I reckon we should be running the 'clubmans' class at the first bucket event since there will be many new riders out there (mainly girls!) giving it a go. On other peoples bikes. This would be more like a pratice session with a mini fun race in it :) (With no fast guys in it so they all have a fair chance!)


Don't follow the aussie rules...
Keep everything as simple as possible. Or Else the potential for new buckets will be largely affected by having complex rules. - Thats the whole point of buckets isn't it? If we start having complex rules there will be arguments.

[Skunk]

Havre you guys had a look at the NSW bucket classes:

http://postclassicracing.com.au/classes/

Some possibly useful stuff there...

Cheers,
FM
Interesting but too restrictive to get enough interest here I think. The only reason I suggested (well - Slingshot did; but I have been thinking about it) two sub-classes was to encourage more riders.


We could have a 'clubmans' class.
Provided there's enough buckets attending on the day.
The Riders can decide what class they will be in.
(With no fast guys in it so they all have a fair chance!)

Who decides who is too fast for Clubmans? Who will referee this decision?
Why run two races when one will do? Will we have enough entries to do this? What if only two people only want to do Clubmans turn up?

[quallman1234]

Why run two races when one will do? Will we have enough entries to do this? What if only two people only want to do Clubmans turn up?

Clubmans would be for first or second time riders if there where enough at that specific event. (For example there looks to be a fair amount of lady riders who will be turning up to try buckets at the first meeting / fun day of the year this could be a goer for that event)
During riders briefing the organisers would discuss quickly if everyone wanted a clubmans class. For those who possible are there trying buckets for a first time. The clubmans class would just be a 10 minute pratice with a say 3-4 lap FRIENDLY race at the end of it.
If the majority agree's (by yelling yeah or no) that we should have a Clubman's class. Then everyone would be asked to go to the left if they reckon they should be in the clubmans class and to the right for the normal class.
It should be very obvious who is too fast for such a class. (Like luke being cheeky and going into the clubman's class! but AJ might be allowed :innocent::shutup:)

Its just a suggestion to encourage new riders (or if there's a large amount of slow riders/slow bikes who don't want to get stuck behind the big boys... A min of at least 10 riders tho as this would race track time for everyone else if there were not enough riders) on the day who are possibly using someone else's bucket to expirence the thrill of racing.
But of course this might be pushing the new riders into racing a bit too fast.

[Skunk]

What if only two people only want to do Clubmans turn up?


Clubmans would be for first or second time riders if there where enough at that specific event.

So if only two newbies turn up who want a Clubmans we just say "Piss off you can't - there's not enough"? Think though the possibilities... Why not just send them out in the 'practices' like we do.

The original idea was not so much for newbies but for people with older or outclassed buckets to still have something to race for - to encourage them to turn up.

[quallman1234]

So if only two newbies turn up who want a Clubmans we just say "Piss off you can't - there's not enough"? Think though the possibilities... Why not just send them out in the 'practices' like we do.

The original idea was not so much for newbies but for people with older or outclassed buckets to still have something to race for - to encourage them to turn up.

Yeah just send them out in the normal class/pratice times
Well i was also thinking we could integrate slower buckets into this class as well provided there's at least 10 Fast guys and 10 Slow guys.

Just a suggestion.

[Skunk]

I wish we had the numbers...

[quallman1234]

:yes:
Well it could be a possibility if the numbers grow.

Anywho.

My Bucket update

I pulled my bucket out from the garage today and started planning to create this Ex-Ivan bucket into a world class bucket.

I received a TZ250R chamber from Bungbung (thanks mate ill keep a look out for that Rear sprocket) and am currently deciding how to mount it. It currently looooks like i need some more ground clearance so that the chamber wont be hitting the bloody ground when leaning quite far over. So i have decided that ill put my spare RG150 Rear shock (the one in it was fucked anyway). because they are similar sized and it should work rather well (hopefully).

I pop'd the head off to have a look at the surface and have decided against planeing the head to increase compression as it's not running a head gasket anyway and i want to keep as much reliabilty as possible.
Not going to do anything with the front shocks for now (might decide later).

I noticed that i could adjust my chain (single sided swingarm) fine but the cam inside the rim what adjust's the chain it instantly slips if the bucket is moving forward. - Going to have a closer look in the nights to come.

After these 3 improvement's i reckon she will be a fantastic handler and have a lot better pickup compared to old chamber.
But only time will tell.

Cheers
Kyle

[Sully60]

I wish we had the numbers...

Amen to that.


Yeah just send them out in the normal class/pratice times
Well i was also thinking we could integrate slower buckets into this class as well provided there's at least 10 Fast guys and 10 Slow guys.

Just a suggestion

And a valid one Kyle. Our situation during last season didn't warrant having two classes, hell for the last two years we haven't even run 50's as a separate class!
So we are in a bit of a catch 22 where we have a real difference between bikes but not enough numbers to warrant running separate race classes.

As I mentioned before there are lots of old buckets around the place, at the back of a packed garage, or stored under the house way back in the past. What are the owners of these doing now? Would they turn up to a bucket race to give it a go? Would they be worried their 20 year old shitter was still relevent? I just know there are many people out there that are most of the way there if they wanted to give it a go and the chance to race competitively would only make it more attractive.

I must admit I have a bit of a nostalgic thing going on, those ol' skool buckets like Mr Dawkes' bikes, Bung Bungs ex F5Daves H100 the old Skiddy CB125 etc. stuff that guys built before RGV250's even existed. This is the historical element of bucket racing which has been the most constant "Formula" road race class for twenty years.
Just look at what happened to post classic road racing, yes it's a bit of a leap from buckets but it's gone from strength to strength.
We only need a few more people to turn up regularly and we could have two classes.
Shit it's not like we run out of time to run extra races even if we do let the girlies out on our bike for a half hour or so, most of the time we're all packed up and gone with an hour to spare!

Crap! We must be up to about a dollar worth of my shit now! (plus GST)

[Skunk]

Your shit ain't worth 10 cents. :lol:

But valid points.

[gav]

We also have newbies wearing a flouro vest first time out, just so you can cut them some slack, seems to work OK.

[Skunk]

We're not that nice up here. :devil2:

[Sully60]

We're not that nice up here. :devil2:

Yeah we just cut them!

[Rashika]

Shit it's not like we run out of time to run extra races even if we do let the girlies out on our bike for a half hour or so, most of the time we're all packed up and gone with an hour to spare!

Crap! We must be up to about a dollar worth of my shit now! (plus GST)

I think that is the one thing the cantab lot would love is another track to race on, one more specifically for us. Ruapuna is great (dont get me wrong at all!), but we only get a very limited time on the track, maybe 2-3 sessions plus practice. And it would be nice to run the bikes on something that is a bit more 'traditional' (can you use that word for something that isn't really hugely old??) for buckets.
Like the blenheim cart track ( I have heard is fab) and I love seeing the vids of you guys in welly! Think I'd have to run Dangerous's CB rather than the FXR tho, but it would be cool to try both... sigh... one day

[F5 Dave]

Funny I was just going to suggest a Blenheim weekend if someone down that way can shake Martys cage to organise it or knows how to do so. Stella track, best in New Zealand & I've probably raced close to them all in the last coming-on-20-years [shudder].

With those Palmy guys, I think it was just too far for them to regularly show up which is a shame, good on Glen for being so vigilant all these years. But I remember when I first started it was Ohakea & Longburn so we travelled every meeting.

As far as the splitting the classes, I think the only fair way is A & B class if we have the numbers. So you want a post classic twin shock class? ok I'll build another MB/H100 like my last one & clean up both classes on it. :Pokey:

No A & B is probably the best for all it's grey area up-or-down, but this is the same for Trials etc.

[Kickaha]

Funny I was just going to suggest a Blenheim weekend if someone down that way can shake Martys cage to organise it or knows how to do so. [shudder].


Marty will be busy over the next month or so with Stevie doing the Nationals, might be worth a try after that I'll ask him when I see him at levels next weekend

[ajturbo]

now your talking Dave!!!!!

i used to race on that blenheim track all the time... that was BEFORE they changed it...
loved it... zen'ed out on it once..

i recon that would be the place for a north/south piss-up.... i mean race!
do you remember racing around woodburn?.....officer's club... how did i get home?... trips?:apint::devil2:

[F5 Dave]

Only did Woodburne the last time.

Ohakea was great with the subsidised bar you could get fair munted on about $10. Then there was the food, big feed for $5 (well only at the GP).
'Course the racing was by $2 donation for stamps so that pushed the price of racing up. Think the GP was extravagant at $20.

But yes Blenheim is the best track for a bucket. Maybe if we all chant loud enough. Marty Marty Marty :mobile:

[quallman1234]

My Bucket feels 10x Better with a RG150 Shock in the back and has alot more ground clearance (and it actually has dampering! woohoo!) so anyone over 60kg's aint scrapping the pipe in a straight line (luckily im only 54kg).

Making brackets for the expansion chamber tommorow! :2thumbsup

[Number One]

We're not that nice up here. :devil2:

Pink T'shirt is definitely a plan then......

[quallman1234]

Ground Clearance!
Running a RG150 Rear shock now - No more scrapes on the expansion chamber.

I have a semi motard for the next race as well :). KDX200 With adventure tyres. - Yeah!

[Slingshot]

Ground Clearance!


That frame is cool!!!

[Skunk]

That frame is cool!!!
ZZR. Heavy like a ZXR.

[quallman1234]

She is a fair bit heavy

I could easily get rid of 2-3kg by cutting the subframe off. but then i would have to make a mount to fit the seat and i cant be arsed.

[Sully60]

ZZR. Heavy like a ZXR.

Thats the RS50 Aprilia Chassis.


She is a fair bit heavy

I could easily get rid of 2-3kg by cutting the subframe off. but then i would have to make a mount to fit the seat and i cant be arsed.

Mate, honestly you don't need to do anything with that chassis, I rode that thing before Ivan got his mits on it and it was one of the sweetest handing little things I've ever ridden (with the original motor)
Just keep developing it Quallman you've got a good start there:niceone:

[quallman1234]

No plan too take out the subframe it will make it too weak in a crash and rip the seat to piece's even in a little crash.

Next plan is to play around with the forks.

What did you do to them ivan? You mentioned putting valve springs in to stiffen em up.

They are currently far to hard. Only has about 30mm of travel. Wanting about 130mm. Glen suggested take the valve springs out and playing round with fork oil weights with the normal springs. The dampering rods seem to be really long!

Apart from the Front and Rear suspsension and the expansion pipe anyone got any suggestions on what i can do or should i just race the thing and see what breaks!

When's bayden putting up the calender im getting inpatient!

Gotta make a flange and weld it on to the end of the pipe tommorow at work.

[nudemetalz]

Ground Clearance!
Running a RG150 Rear shock now - No more scrapes on the expansion chamber.

I have a semi motard for the next race as well :). KDX200 With adventure tyres. - Yeah!

Is that a VFR400 s/s swingarm you have there ? ...oops just read RS-50 chassis

[car]

Ground Clearance!
Running a RG150 Rear shock now - No more scrapes on the expansion chamber.

I have a semi motard for the next race as well :). KDX200 With adventure tyres. - Yeah!

So, when you guys are done teasing us civilians with the foters, when does the actual bucket racing start again? I checked out the KB and SCS calendars, couldn't see anything.

[quallman1234]

So, when you guys are done teasing us civilians with the foters, when does the actual bucket racing start again? I checked out the KB and SCS calendars, couldn't see anything.

Bayden (who runs it) is putting the calender up within a week i guess?/ i hope.

Should be mid/late feb i believe (hopefully eariler!)

[Sully60]

Bayden (who runs it) is putting the calender up within a week i guess?/ i hope.

Should be mid/late feb i believe (hopefully eariler!)

Hopefully not too early, I still gotta get my 'phones sorted so I don't blow everybodies eardrums into Karori!
But not too away either:soon:

[F5 Dave]

I remember telling Ivan here that Valve springs were a stoopid idea. All they are is adding mondo preload, but the amusing effect of adding more coils means you are actually reducing the spring rate (although it won't feel like that if the preload is so high it won't move by pumping). DeIvanise it asap. If you need stiffer springs then seal with that.

[Ivan]

Yeah undoe them bolts on triple clamps and also raise thetriple clamps its dropped 60mm? i think...

we evenly lowered it...

yeah them valve springs are on top of the forks I did it for when I had the four stroke engine in there, When I rode it it was way to spongy and I put the valve springs in to stiffen it up a bit as the Xl was taking a bit of travel from just sitting there.

I agree with Sully as well thats a good base frame I rode it witha broken collar bone one day it was awsome fun handles really really well

Its a shame the bike got sperated as when dad sold it to Hamish hamish only wanted engine so Hamish sold the chassis to Nathan who chooped the frame to put a MB100 engine it..

Then I got it from Nathan and didnt chop a thing I justwelded them XL engine mounts in..

Then Welded some more mounts in when I put the AX in as I sold the XL125 for a 21 pack of Ranfurly lol

The main thing was playing with that jetting before that she was shocking....
I reckon if your gonna change the chamber id rejet the carb again as well

[Skunk]

Thats the RS50 Aprilia Chassis.
Doh! Thinking of the wrong bike... Teach me to look at the picture next time.

[quallman1234]

Doh! Thinking of the wrong bike... Teach me to look at the picture next time.

Your thinking of sully's ZZR frame. What he got from ivan for the MB ROLLING chassis.

Im going to guess but RG150 Springs wont be any good will they?

Too long probably. I Didn't even think about the postion of the forks in the triple clamps. Ill raise em and see how they feel. It did feel like it wanted to dip in too fast at the last meeting... So that should improve that hopefully.

[F5 Dave]

So lets start at the start. They are RS50 forks yeah? & have RS springs yeah?

OK so the engine will be how much heavier than std I wonder? Take the valve springs out. Check static sag & race sag (search on internet). This should start to tell you if you need stiffer springs. Ideally you then measure what you have. Add preload as required to get sag right, but it never makes up for springs that are too soft.

Swapping springs has to be done with some care. I've shortened spring successfully (to stiffen the rate and then replaced the lost length with spacers) but you need some care to get them both the same, both flat & not coil binding.

[Ivan]

So lets start at the start. They are RS50 forks yeah? & have RS springs yeah?

OK so the engine will be how much heavier than std I wonder? Take the valve springs out. Check static sag & race sag (search on internet). This should start to tell you if you need stiffer springs. Ideally you then measure what you have. Add preload as required to get sag right, but it never makes up for springs that are too soft.

Swapping springs has to be done with some care. I've shortened spring successfully (to stiffen the rate and then replaced the lost length with spacers) but you need some care to get them both the same, both flat & not coil binding.


Yip they are Standered RS forks.. and RS springs.

[quallman1234]

http://www.apriliaforum.com/techtips/rs50/fork.htm

Using that guide. I measured the static front sag @ 15-16mm .
And the max travel with all my weight plus some more forcing on the front was 50mm. :whistle:

Obviously im going to take the valve springs out and put fresh oil in them.
But what kind of sag should i aim for?

dampening seems fine at this moment.

I actually think the stock engine was quite far forward. Hence i might get away with the stock springs and a heavier work oil.

[F5 Dave]

10 weight is the most you should use lest they lock on highspeed bumps. The AX engine & RS engine may be similar, the RS barrels are pretty heavy. Try it & see without the valve springs.

[quallman1234]

10 weight is the most you should use lest they lock on highspeed bumps. The AX engine & RS engine may be similar, the RS barrels are pretty heavy. Try it & see without the valve springs.

The RS is watercooled and the AX is not so that could make it about even.

[quallman1234]

Took em out.

30-35mm of sag now. Good dampering. Haven't moved the forks down in the triple clamp yet.

Hmm odd ball sized valve springs as well couldn't help. So basically its running a standard front end now. What's good since it seems to work ok :).

[Skunk]

Hmm odd ball sized valve springs as well couldn't help. So basically its running a standard front end now. What's good since it seems to work ok :).
Another wonder of Ivan Engineering...

[quallman1234]

Another wonder of Ivan Engineering...
You live and ya learn.

Give him a break its his birthday :niceone:

[Skunk]

It is too! :)

Suppose he will learn one day. But not when he doesn't take advise that is given to help him.

[Ivan]

Lol wow I dont remember them being differnt me and my mate Jamee did them maybe I might push the blame tohim

[quallman1234]

Lol wow I dont remember them being differnt me and my mate Jamee did them maybe I might push the blame tohim

Yeah man. Its not so much the difference's in lengths what's surpising but the difference's in width's!
Im painting the seat unit mack black again tommorow :). Have to make a new flange for the expansion chamber.

[Ivan]

Sweet yeah she pretty much sanded back aye.

I scuffedthe paint you just using matt black cans it was gloss black but i sanded it

[gav]

Any reason why you are choosing an AX100 engine?

[Ivan]

Probly cause it was the engine allready in bike when he got it off me

[quallman1234]

Any reason why you are choosing an AX100 engine?

Might be tempted to buy a loncin 150cc single later on. Depending on stuff.

Skunk's AX100 engine is really fast! So i don't see why this still can't be a winner. - Mind over matter.

[speedpro]

Has anyone else noticed that a MB100 engine bolts directly into a FZR250(3LN) chassis? I only have a 2KR rear wheel fitted at the moment but it looks to be only a matter of loosening off one allen key and sliding one spacer over a bit to get the sprockets to line up. Both rear engine bolts go straight through and it looks "more-or-less" right as far as sprocket alignment. I can lower it a bit more yet and I'm still tossing up about shortening the wheelbase. The FZR is about 200mm longer than my RG/MB and 100mm longer than a Honda RS125. Once I got all the steel subframes off the thing is not looking toooooo heavy. Actually I'll add about 20mm spacers to the bottom mount to get the motor attitude right.

Dyno'd my bucket at work the other day, just to see. It made 21.7hp, a drop of only .8 or so over quite a few years with still the same motor bits though I do vaguely recall changing the ring years ago.

[nudemetalz]

Alrighties......

Myself and Nasty are building a Bucket up ready to take on this new season. Skunk, you've finally convinced me !!

Now, can anyone tell me about the Loncin (GL145 copy) engine that you can get for $500 c/w carb & ignition ?

[Pumba]

Now, can anyone tell me about the Loncin (GL145 copy) engine that you can get for $500 c/w carb & ignition ?

This may be a start http://newmanz.co.nz/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=5

[nudemetalz]

Excellent, thanks Pumba.
Do you know anything about them in bucketing, reliability wise etc?

[xwhatsit]

It's got 11kW -- 15hp -- is that competitive? I suppose a CG125 mill doesn't make much more than 10hp, but you guys work them a lot, don't you?

[Slingshot]

Alrighties......

Myself and Nasty are building a Bucket up ready to take on this new season. Skunk, you've finally convinced me !!

Now, can anyone tell me about the Loncin (GL145 copy) engine that you can get for $500 c/w carb & ignition ?

You should run a shitter for the first season, you might find that half the fun of bucket racing is working on the bucket. To me, putting a brand new engine in sorta defeats the purpose.

Something like this would be ideal me thinks. (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Other/auction-136487253.htm)

[quallman1234]

Alrighties......

Myself and Nasty are building a Bucket up ready to take on this new season. Skunk, you've finally convinced me !!

Now, can anyone tell me about the Loncin (GL145 copy) engine that you can get for $500 c/w carb & ignition ?
You are? very cool! Post pics asap :devil2:

[nudemetalz]

You should run a shitter for the first season, you might find that half the fun of bucket racing is working on the bucket. To me, putting a brand new engine in sorta defeats the purpose.

Something like this would be ideal me thinks. (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Other/auction-136487253.htm)

Fair comment, Slingshot.
Just that, I've already bought a "rolling chassis" tonight :)

I've done buckets before, about 10 years ago and built 4 bikes up, including a screaming CB125T and did a single-shock GP-100.
So, thought I'd do something different, with Nasty working on the project too.
To me, having a brand new engine means a season of reliability.
However, we may still go with something different.

I'm fairly confident we can get something ready to race within a month or so :msn-wink:


oh BTW thanks, quallman1234. Certainly will !!

[Slingshot]

Fair comment, Slingshot.
Just that, I've already bought a "rolling chassis" tonight :)

I've done buckets before, about 10 years ago and built 4 bikes up, including a screaming CB125T and did a single-shock GP-100.
So, thought I'd do something different, with Nasty working on the project too.
To me, having a brand new engine means a season of reliability.
However, we may still go with something different.

I'm fairly confident we can get something ready to race within a month or so :msn-wink:


oh BTW thanks, quallman1234. Certainly will !!

Awesome...what's the frame? Each to their own...I'm just stoked that more and more people are getting the itch :)

You should be able to get running in a month...me and the Skunkworks crew got my GP100 motor into the RZ50 frame within about 10 hours.

[nudemetalz]

Got an RGV-150 rolling chassis, should be fairly adaptable and is single-shock already which is a big bonus :)

[quallman1234]

Im gonna get beat by a girl i can see it!

Is grub getting into the mix as well? :rockon:

[nudemetalz]

Only as support. Apparently he's going to be our brolly-dolly.......:gob::shit:

[Nasty]

Im gonna get beat by a girl i can see it!

Is grub getting into the mix as well? :rockon:

of course you are ... and you will cope too ....

Grub will be a very good asset to the team .. playing a similar role to Bridgy and will look cute in the tight skirts and skimpy top with the Brolly :)

[Grub]

Only as support. Apparently he's going to be our brolly-dolly.......:gob::shit:

Now just hang on a minute ... I REFUSE to be seen out in some tacky miniskirt. One does have standards you know.

If I must be there, it will be in a nice 3/4 length number with pearls and gloves to the elbow. Oh and an Oriton purse for the half-time oranges (did I get that right?)

[quallman1234]

Excellent! :niceone:

[nudemetalz]

Now just hang on a minute ... I REFUSE to be seen out in some tacky miniskirt. One does have standards you know.

If I must be there, it will be in a nice 3/4 length number with pearls and gloves to the elbow. Oh and an Oriton purse for the half-time oranges (did I get that right?)

Man,....you're such a drag....:laugh:

[gav]

Good stuff, think they run some Loncin's in Oz, seem OK, but I'll see what I can find out for ya! Will be good in a RGV150 chassis!
Have a look through this thread, might help! http://teammaddogracing.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=310

[Grub]

I lked to look of the Loncin until I read that it is Chinese. I know it shouldn't matter but it does ... :(

[quallman1234]

I lked to look of the Loncin until I read that it is Chinese. I know it shouldn't matter but it does ... :(

Its ok, They are a complete direct copy of a specific honda engine. Like direct copy and are actually quite reliable.
Fishy has one in his bucket and he thrashes the shit out of it, i think he finished the endurance race tho! But then again my AX100 engine did too, with half the exhaust hanging off. In fact i was leading for the first lap!

[nudemetalz]

Well, the Loncin is only an idea.
Ideally, I'd love to run a CB125 Twin, but they take a little too much tuning and you have 2 of everything. However, haven't ruled it out completely.
But we're definitely going with a 4-stroke, good for Nasty to come to grips with racing.

[Nasty]

Now just hang on a minute ... I REFUSE to be seen out in some tacky miniskirt. One does have standards you know.

If I must be there, it will be in a nice 3/4 length number with pearls and gloves to the elbow. Oh and an Oriton purse for the half-time oranges (did I get that right?)

watch what you say I have the pearls!

[Sully60]

Well, the Loncin is only an idea.
Ideally, I'd love to run a CB125 Twin, but they take a little too much tuning and you have 2 of everything. However, haven't ruled it out completely.
But we're definitely going with a 4-stroke, good for Nasty to come to grips with racing.

Go the twin!
They're extremely reliable if you don't sail them too close to the wind:msn-wink:
Bloody big and heavy motor with a wide crank, you need a fairly stiff chassis to make keep the engine from twisting the frame and creating understeer and instability.The stock chassis seems to work well enough but I wouldn't go lighter or smaller from there (been there done that!)

As for the Loncin, having ridden Fi5hys bike I can say in terms of power and torque whilst not being "flash" it's certainly makes good use of what it's got, and is easy to ride. Reliability will only be measured with the course of time.
The Honda GL145 engines were ok but they're quite suseptable to dropping valves when used in racing applications, so it will be interesting to see how long Fi5hys one goes in this respect.

[nudemetalz]

Thanks for all of your feedback, peoples.

From what I've learnt, the Loncin's aren't that resilient, the CDI's don't allow the engines to go much past 10K and the clutch baskets can fail.
This is only from stuff off the 'net mind you and of course, no two engines are the same.

Any idea where I can get a 125T motor, Sully?

[Sully60]

Any idea where I can get a 125T motor, Sully?

Not in terms of complete runners, but between myself, Skunk and AJturbo (though he might need one too :Oops:) we could get one going out of our collection of bits, we are short of exhaust valves though(first ones to bend)
I shall make some inquiries.

[nudemetalz]

Cheers. that sounds great.

Bending exhaust valves ?
I raced mine (back in '93-94) a whole season revving 15500 to 16000rpm without any valve float or head issues.
You guys rev yours higher than that ?? :eek:

[Sully60]

Cheers. that sounds great.

Bending exhaust valves ?
I raced mine (back in '93-94) a whole season revving 15500 to 16000rpm without any valve float or head issues.
You guys rev yours higher than that ?? :eek:

WTF, are you sure your tacho was accurate?

If not did you have some very trick valve train bits?
I don't know what the terminator creator (John Conner) gets his one's to rev to but I'd be interested to hear, Speedpro can you shed light???

Mine falls flat on it's face at 11500 as it valve bounces, with a basically std valve train.

If that's true it must have made the most heavenly wail at those revs.

Shuffles off comtemplating new valves and springs

[F5 Dave]

Yes I remember Murray the MB50 guru at the time I started racing used to rev his MB50 to 17000 he told me. I learnt from experience that anything over 12000rpm would lose the ring tips & the power would fall drastically. He had some silly little tacho on it so obviously believed it. The std tacho went up there too (or rather an inch past 12000) but it was lying worse than an 07 R6.

The next tacho I put on was later used on the dyno & proved accurate hence I know what revs it really did.

[nudemetalz]

Okay, maybe my tacho had some '07 R6 going but it was stock and I had to turn it nearly upside down so it could be read !!!

I must confess I did have some heavier valve springs in...can't quite remember what, might have been XR200 ones.

She had a 2:1 and yes it did scream alright !!!!! Heavenly noise too !!!

[speedpro]

Not sure what John's 125Ts rev to but it is pretty high. He has two cam grinds - sprint and just fast. The problem he has is if revved tooooo hard a rocker breaks. I'd guess they do over 12,000rpm. He programmes the ignition boxes as well so ends up with a very wide powerband with the optimised ignition curve.

[nudemetalz]

Let the work in progress begin........

[Skunk]

I'd go for the Loncin motor in that. Might be an easier fit. Come round and grab my GL145 and try it out.

[Slingshot]

Anyone got the other half of one of these?

[nudemetalz]

That would be awesome, thanks Skunk.

The only thing I have issues about the Loncin, would be fitting a 30mm pumper in there as the carb sits high on a 4T engine compared to the RGV.
The tank may need some cut and shut perhaps.

[Skunk]

Anyone got the other half of one of these?
I didn't take it... which bit is it?

[Skunk]

The tank may need some cut and shut perhaps.
You just need an FBH to do that. Or don't fit the 30mm yet... The track we use is more about corner speed than power. Honest.

[Sully60]

You just need an FBH to do that.

FBH! Did someone say FBH?
Me awake now, Mongo want to hit things!

[nudemetalz]

Forgive my ignorance.....FBH stands for ??

[Sully60]

FUCKEN BIG HAMMER!

[nudemetalz]

Sheez, you guys been watching too much of American Chopper !!!! :laugh:

[quallman1234]

Its the bucket way, Looks like half the big end part of a con rod?? or a bearing

Kyle need's help sealing the exhaust properly... Can i do the bucket thing and just put lots of silcoln around it?

[Sully60]

Chop!

Did someone say Chop?

Mongo likes chopping things! That widdle RGV sure looks like it would chop up real nice like:devil2:

FBgasaxe
FBanglegrinder
FBplasmacutter
FBdropsaw

Which one will it be?:shit:

[nudemetalz]

Funny you should say that,.....with my CADing,...I have plans...and yes it does involve lotsa chopping (not the American Chopping though)....:devil2:

[Sully60]

Its the bucket way, Looks like half the big end part of a con rod?? or a bearing
Sits a bit closer to the back of the bike than either of those, think boingy boingy not bangy bangy!


Kyle need's help sealing the exhaust properly... Can i do the bucket thing and just put lots of silcoln around it?

It might be the bucket way to be cheap but you want the thing to last a day at least.
Silly cone is shit for that job, it runs away after about twenty minutes if it get the slightest sniff of a gap ofr the exhaust moves or vibrates too much.

Make a gasket out of the stuff they sell at the muffler shops if it's not the rubber o ring type, or get the correct copper gasket if it uses that type of seal. Those are pretty cheap and easy to get.

Or you could justy use a whole tube every meeting

[koba]

Chop!


FBplasmacutter


Which one will it be?:shit:


Definatley not a plasma cutter, they are FAR to expensive and fancylike! My bet it on a coldchisel and hammer!

[Slingshot]

I didn't take it... which bit is it?

It's the bit that sits in behind the spring on the rear shock and holds the spring in place, I'm missing the other half and that's why the bike is low riding at the moment.

[F5 Dave]

um, just to throw something into the works. I have an engine that would fit in there I'm pretty sure. It is an RGV150. Except it is sleeved down to 125 (so has to run 24mm carb).

Only prob is it needs a rebuild and a different choice of rod (I made a bad choice with a rod someone had lying around) so some investigation required. As the others will attest it did go ok at Taupo the year before beating all the 150s & 250s that they ran with the buckets. Would only want a small amount.

[nudemetalz]

Tempting, but think we'll stick with a 150 4T. Doing quite a bit of work to get the beast ready and an engine rebuild wasn't on the agenda (well hopefully wasn't !!)

Thanks though.

[timg]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-137710133.htm

Toying with the idea of having a wee play :)

[speedpro]

With those bars and seat the pegs are about a foot too far forward. 2' risers would be about right for that bucket. Good basis though. Fair way to go for you to get it.

[gav]

Looks short! But be good enough start for not too much, freight might be expensive though?

[Slingshot]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-137710133.htm

Toying with the idea of having a wee play :)

The MB100 has been re-listed, me thinks this would make a great platform to build a bucket from.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=137884054

[speedpro]

One of the best motors you can get, and a well known 6-speed drops right in. Good engine, good clutch, good gearbox(available). The rest can be worked on and makes a reasonable starter bucket.

[Skunk]

The MB100 has been re-listed, me thinks this would make a great platform to build a bucket from.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=137884054
Bargain. Someone with money buy it so I can be envious...

[quallman1234]

Very tempted. But more tempted with the other 125GP bike on tm. (A couple more weeks of work will get me it.)

[Skunk]

Oh yeah... The Skunkworks Norf Welly Massif Bucket Factory will be open this weekend. BYO (I'm broke again :()

[Skunk Control]

Oh yeah... The Skunkworks Norf Welly Massif Bucket Factory will be open this weekend. BYO (I'm broke again :()

Humm how would that happen :rolleyes: ahhh maybe cause you bought another bike :whistle:

[Slingshot]

Humm how would that happen :rolleyes: ahhh maybe cause you bought another bike :whistle:

What did he buy??

[quallman1234]

What did he buy??

That AX100 the blue one of trademe.

[Slingshot]

Anyone got the other half of one of these?

Called into Richards Motorcycles today to try and get a replacement one of these

I was taken out the back and given a complete shock for free
Looks like I'll be able to get the bit I need off it:


I could spend all day out the back in that workshop, he's got some cool junk lying around.

[Slingshot]

That AX100 the blue one of trademe.

I thought Mrs Kendog had brought that.

[quallman1234]

I thought Mrs Kendog had brought that.

Nah, Skunk bought it (Correct me if im wrong) and is bucketising it, then Mrs Kendog has first dibs to buy it afterwards.

Im dropping my tank off with dingoz tonight to get a cool paint hopefully but anything will do :).

[Skunk]

Nah, Skunk bought it (Correct me if im wrong) and is bucketising it, then Mrs Kendog has first dibs to buy it afterwards.
Yep, you're right Quallman.

I've just finished painting my AX100. No more red (Red is for Stop. I want to Go.) I'll organise the 'sign-writing' on Monday.

[quallman1234]

What sign writing are you going to put on her?

[Trudes]

Yep, that whore will be mine once Skunk has finished pillaging her!! She even has a name already!

[Skunk]

What sign writing are you going to put on her?Just the usual: 'Stink Racing' and stuff


Yep, that whore will be mine once Skunk has finished pillaging her!! She even has a name already!Yeah, it's name is Blue Poo. And it's not pillaging... she'll be getting a new motor as the one in there doesn't go.

[Trudes]

Yeah, it's name is Blue Poo. And it's not pillaging... she'll be getting a new motor as the one in there doesn't go.

ohhhhh, I thought you were stealing side covers and things, not that I care, as long as it goes, new motor sounds good though! I told you her name (Think slut with big fake boobies)

[Skunk]

Ahhh! My ex's name. No you didn't tell me, but you did tell SC. I'm only taking one side cover... That's all I brought it for.

[Trudes]

hehe, think it'll suit? Especially once all the pink fluff is added? (oh my, sounds like a megafugly already!!):blink:

[nudemetalz]

Okay...update on Team Nudsty's RG-212V

Did some cutting and grinding to get the borrowed 145 engine to fit.
Also, some the RGV's natural framework was ...errmm...removed by 1500watt Angle Grinder..:devil2:
We're going to order the engine shortly,...but for the meantime, require some decent rims, as the existing ones are rather puny.


NDMz

[Slingshot]

Okay...update on Team Nudsty's RG-212V

Did some cutting and grinding to get the borrowed 145 engine to fit.
Also, some the RGV's natural framework was ...errmm...removed by 1500watt Angle Grinder..:devil2:
We're going to order the engine shortly,...but for the eman time, require some decent rims, as the existing ones are rather puny.


NDMz

That looks like fun!!!

[Skunk]

require some decent rims, as the existing ones are rather puny.
What size are they?

[nudemetalz]

They're the good old standard 1.6 x 18's.
Going to look at some 1.85 or 2.15s spoked until I find some FXR or RG rims.

[Skunk]

Bum. I thought they would be 17"?... My bad.

[quallman1234]

Are you sure its not a 18 on the front and a 17 on the back. The older version of the KR150 is like that.

[Skunk Control]

hehe, think it'll suit? Especially once all the pink fluff is added? (oh my, sounds like a megafugly already!!):blink:

Humm pick fluff.... are you adding it to your race gear as well?

[Skunk Control]

What sign writing are you going to put on her?

And how do you know it's a her, have you been looking ah :eek:

[Skunk Control]

Okay...update on Team Nudsty's RG-212V

Did some cutting and grinding to get the borrowed 145 engine to fit.
Also, some the RGV's natural framework was ...errmm...removed by 1500watt Angle Grinder..:devil2:
We're going to order the engine shortly,...but for the meantime, require some decent rims, as the existing ones are rather puny.


NDMz

Looks good, are you keeping the block of wood :lol:

[Trudes]

Humm pick fluff.... are you adding it to your race gear as well?

Ewww, no, I have my standards!:shit:

[nudemetalz]

Looks good, are you keeping the block of wood :lol:

Our bucket building is made from recycled material and we are environmentally conscious.... :niceone: :bleh:


Are you sure its not a 18 on the front and a 17 on the back. The older version of the KR150 is like that.

Definitely 18 front and rear.

[ajturbo]

Okay...update on Team Nudsty's RG-212V

Did some cutting and grinding to get the borrowed 145 engine to fit.
Also, some the RGV's natural framework was ...errmm...removed by 1500watt Angle Grinder..:devil2:
We're going to order the engine shortly,...but for the meantime, require some decent rims, as the existing ones are rather puny.


NDMz
i have a contact that has some wheels... come off a GP125 race bike.. now these will be light!!!

[Nasty]

i have a contact that has some wheels... come off a GP125 race bike.. now these will be light!!!

give me or nudez a call then :)

[ajturbo]

give me or nudez a call then :)
no.. you now have to guess who and his number.....woops gave too much away now..

[Skunk]

i have a contact that has some wheels... come off a GP125 race bike.. now these will be light!!!
Are you trying to get your arse kicked by another rider? You're supposed to look and sound helpful while leading them astray.

[ajturbo]

Are you trying to get your arse kicked by another rider? You're supposed to look and sound helpful while leading them astray.
just did....

but on that note... wasp is gona have a "look" at the MB100....

[nudemetalz]

Hmmm,....now who has a GP125 race bike.....

We are talking Suzuki GP125 and not a Grand Prix 125 race bike now, aren't we...
I love these guessing games...:bleh:

Seriously though, yes am interested,...are they 17's ?

[Trudes]

I see someone who lives very near by has just purchased themselves a new bucket!! Nice one D!!:scooter:

[quallman1234]

Nice doug! I almost bought it my self ;)

[nudemetalz]

It's really starting to become a Newlands/Grenada Bucket Racing Association !!!

[Slingshot]

That's classic. I was bidding on that...not seriously though...need to have money to bid seriously.

I'm looking for wheels too, keep your eye out for me too.

It looks like we're going to have a good field racing this year!!!

I wonder if it'd be possible to get a test day organised before the first race day.

[Slingshot]

I see someone who lives very near by has just purchased themselves a new bucket!! Nice one D!!:scooter:

Actually...I though he must have picked up the MB100 (s). What did ya get Doug?

[Nasty]

It's really starting to become a Newlands/Grenada Bucket Racing Association !!!


and where is the lower hutt and whitby from our team???