Tyre choice for adventure riding? (Mixing road and off-road)

[Woodman]

Me too I think. I'm absolutely hating the E-07 on the rear of the 950. Dunno if it's the tyre or suspension setup but on an easy gravel road at ~60km/h the rear is all over the place. NZKTM was behind me and commented he could see it stepping out for no obvious reason. It was so bad it was honestly scaring me. It seems fine on the road and on dry rough stuff, though was understandably I think a bit lacking on wet rocks and light mud.

And no it wasn't due to excessive right hand usage, I was babying it. Standing up was better, but still not great.

E09s do that too though, must be a mitas thing. Sometimes its cool sometimes its scary as. Those e10s look good.
Still a T63 fan though but under 4k and its pooed on a klr, so on a 950 is anyones guess.

[Eddieb]

E09s do that too though, must be a mitas thing. Sometimes its cool sometimes its scary as. Those e10s look good.
Still a T63 fan though but under 4k and its pooed on a klr, so on a 950 is anyones guess.

I've never had an E-09 step out like this, it's a not a gentle shift or slide but an instant 'I'm gonna flick you off' type of movement.

[Woodman]

I've never had an E-09 step out like this, it's a not a gentle shift or slide but an instant 'I'm gonna flick you off' type of movement.

Does it do it under a lot of wheel spin or mainly when you are just tootling along? I have a theory about rear tyres needing to cut a track through gravel otherwise they can just ride over the marbly stuff, and maybe some tyres are worse than others at it.
Of course i could be completely wrong.

[cooneyr]

E09s do that too though, must be a mitas thing. Sometimes its cool sometimes its scary as. Those e10s look good.
Still a T63 fan though but under 4k and its pooed on a klr, so on a 950 is anyones guess.

T63 only comes in a 130 x - 18, the 9x0's need a 150/70-18.

Keep the info coming on the E-10's JMJ. I'm keen as for a rear one. E-07 going back on for now the MT21 lasted about 2000kms of babying.

Cheers R

[Taz]

T63 only comes in a 130 x - 18, the 9x0's need a 150/70-18.



Cheers R

That's because the 950/990 is a road bike :Pokey: Plenty of road tyres in that size :bleh:

[Underground]

I'm chucking the MT21 off my KTM on the front of the @ for the dusty as I was having a hard job tracking down an E07 .
Anyone tried an E07 rear/MT21 front combination ?
I've not had the problems you're experiencing Eddie so it could be a suspension thing ,mines fairly soft after being 'run in ' for 120,000 km,
Maybe your suspension is too good for that particular tyre ??

[Taz]

Could also be a pressure thing. What pressure you been running Eddie?

[junkmanjoe]

That's because the 950/990 is a road bike :Pokey: Plenty of road tyres in that size :bleh:

that be gravel roads.........mr anthrax...:bash:

[Woodman]

Just fitted a d606 front and a t63 rear ready for the dusty and beyond.
I really rate t63's but they are the hardest tyre to fit I have ever come across.

[Kokopelli]

I just took the R80Gs for a quick ride to Piha, including the Lone Kauri Road. What a hoot. I did prefer it unsealed, but still... Those T63 stick pretty well, I got the chicken-strip down to a mm or 2. You don't get a second chance in there, it's pretty tight. The R80 is not very quick off the mark, but you can surf its torque and that makes it quite quick in the twisty stuff.

As a bonus the bike came home clean, that doesn't seem to happen very often.

[NordieBoy]

Anyone tried an E07 rear/MT21 front combination ?

Love it.

I've got a new MT21 front ready for the Dusty.

[cynna]

I really rate t63's but they are the hardest tyre to fit I have ever come across.

damn so it wasnt a good choice for my first attempt at fitting then. id better not leave it to the last minute

[Motu]

I really rate t63's but they are the hardest tyre to fit I have ever come across.

Ditto - the stiffest sidewall I've ever seen.I used a tyre machine to fit mine,and still one of the hardest I've ever fitted,even with levers.

[Woodman]

Was just wondering how long it takes you guys to fit a tyre.

Took me just on an hour with the t63 rear. Wheel off to wheel back on again ready to go using the gear I carry on the bike, except the foot pump cos the mtb pump I carry takes too long for the shed.

Is that slow or fast or what?

[NordieBoy]

Was just wondering how long it takes you guys to fit a tyre.

Took me just on an hour with the t63 rear. Wheel off to wheel back on again ready to go using the gear I carry on the bike, except the foot pump cos the mtb pump I carry takes too long for the shed.

Is that slow or fast or what?

Pathetic :spanking:

The front is easy but I've spent half an hour just breaking the bead on the rear and other times I've walked around the sidewall barefoot and the bead has popped off.

I also carry my 14" Buzetti curved levers on the bike :headbang:

If the tyre behaves I usually take about 30-45 mins for a rear but it has taken up to 2 hrs:baby:
Sometimes it's 20mins and >60psi to get the bead to seat again though - Got to get another small can of WD-40.

Having 2 wheel sets has reduced my practice somewhat.
Not that I mind.

[Transalper]

I'd go with Nordies description for doing DR650 tyres.
Rear always takes longer than front.
Could be approching an hour usually but sometimes a couple.
I've got two sets as well.

[junkmanjoe]

it took dave and i about an hour to change his rear tire... dam bead wouldnt let go...

quicker to put tire back on..

fronts are much easer...

my 2c and way..

JMJ

[dino3310]

when i was at motoX it used to take me about 10-20minutes, to change a rear:first:.


oh no wait that was my mate it still takes me 1-2 hrs:spanking:

[warewolf]

Is that slow or fast or what?Not bad. Takes me around half an hour if I'm not stopping for beer, ditto using the big foot pump in the shed rather than the small mtb job I carry. I'm fairly practised and don't have 17" rims nor the DR650's "safety" bead-saver thingo that tries to keep the tyre on the rim.

Windex is my lube of choice and I rarely have to go beyond 25-30psi to seat the bead.

[tri boy]

First, the tyre has to be willing to change:msn-wink:

[JATZ]

Really depends on the tyre, Mitas E-08 can be a bitch to get off (1-1 1/2hrs) Kenda just about falls off the rim by it's self. Compressor makes inflating a lot fasterer too :msn-wink:

[Woodman]

Thats good , I am normal.
Why don't you DR guys just dent your rims up a bit so the tyre will never bead up?
For lube I carry these little sample pacs of hand lotion about matchbox size that works real good, oh and keeps your hands lovely and soft.

[NordieBoy]

First, the tyre has to be willing to change:msn-wink:

:clap: .

[junkmanjoe]

Thats good , I am normal.

Ummm you sure on that one..........:msn-wink:

JMJ

[bart]

I allow 90 min to do both ends (that's off and back on the bike). 25 min for the front, 35 for the rear, 30 for beer and swearing (and having a little walk around to straighten my back up).

I must build a raised table platform thing for changing tyres.

[topo]

Just put a set of Michelin Deserts for the dusty, new record of 35min all up:2thumbsup

Had them really hot in the sun and still had mouse grease on them from the safari which made them slip on easy as an easy thing! During the safari using a DRC changing rig i managed to get changes down to around 4min for a front and 7-10min for a rear, turns out mouses are easier (and faster than tubes) once you learn the right technique.

[cooneyr]

Just put a set of Michelin Deserts for the dusty, new record of 35min all up:2thumbsup

Had them really hot in the sun and still had mouse grease on them from the safari which made them slip on easy as an easy thing! During the safari using a DRC changing rig i managed to get changes down to around 4min for a front and 7-10min for a rear, turns out mouses are easier (and faster than tubes) once you learn the right technique.

Your just showing off :bleh: Bet you wouldn't be as fast with one of the "real" rims like the 9x0 rear or the DR650 rear.

Keen to hear how the Deserts go on the dusty. I've found the Canty gravel gives them a bit of a hard time. Otago gravel will probably be similar. Bit silly I know cause they are supposed to be made for sand and gravel.

Cheers R

[topo]

Your just showing off :bleh: Bet you wouldn't be as fast with one of the "real" rims like the 9x0 rear or the DR650 rear.


Can't be as bad as the tubeless rims on my old PD, fitting a new (cold) set of EO-8's one night at 11pm was one of the worst motorcycle experiences i've ever had!!!

Javahead will also be running a "left over" set of Deserts, so will be interesting how they fare on the 530 v's 640.

B

[topo]

Went for first ride on the deserts today, without a shadow of a doubt they are the most confidence inspiring tires (front esp) i have ever used on gravel!
Was at least 20km/h faster on most corners and had no OH-SHIT:shit: moments even when both ends started drifting, don't know how i'm going to pay for a new set but i'll find a way:soon:

[.chris]

Went for first ride on the deserts today, without a shadow of a doubt they are the most confidence inspiring tires (front esp) i have ever used on gravel!
Was at least 20km/h faster on most corners and had no OH-SHIT:shit: moments even when both ends started drifting, don't know how i'm going to pay for a new set but i'll find a way:soon:

I would be keen for a set myself, I tried to get a rear a while back but none available, ended up with a tkc, would like something more aggressive and the deserts looked spot on.

[dino3310]

I would be keen for a set myself, I tried to get a rear a while back but none available, ended up with a tkc, would like something more aggressive and the deserts looked spot on.

found this on them, very interesting to read but wouldnt bother me now im on the XR
http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hubb/equipment-reviews/michelin-desert-danger-5424

[CrazyFrog]

What about Michelin Baja tyres, anyone ridden these lately?

[junkmanjoe]

would any one or has anyone used the Bridgestone, D605 duel tires.

[clint640]

would any one or has anyone used the Bridgestone, D605 duel tires.

Ya mean Dunlop D605? I've done about 5K on a front. It goes well, as good as the TKC80s I used to run & much cheaper. I'll probably get another.

Cheers
Clint

[warewolf]

found this on them, very interesting to readI'd take that with a grain of salt. They have a speed rating of 'R' 170km/h for a start, and are used successfully in racing. The tyre itself was probably not at fault in that crash.

[warewolf]

What about Michelin Baja tyres, anyone ridden these lately?Pampa liked them on his G650, IIRC.

Reports elsewhere suggest they are better for loose conditions than the Desert, which is better on harder ground.

[warewolf]

New... Pirelli Scorpion Rally (http://www.pirellityre.com/web/tyres-catalog/moto-on_off_road-rally/en_IT/Scorpion%20Rally/default.page).

Looks like a competitor to the Michelin Desert, probably the next generation in technology:
http://www.pirellityre.com/en_IT/browser/attachments/images/MOTO%20catalog_applicazione/scorpion_rally.jpg (http://www.pirellityre.com/web/tyres-catalog/moto-on_off_road-rally/en_IT/Scorpion%20Rally/default.page)

[Fluffy Cat]

Had a Baja on the back of the XR650r did ok for a chunky tyre on the road but i only ride from my house to the track or Sharlands( i live in the Brook) Did the Mangatapu a few times and it chunks a bit but good grip for a slow coach like me. Seemed to wear quite quick. Think the XR will chunk everything. AC10 is on now will see how that goes....

[dino3310]

i got a set of AC10s in the shed fluffy cat, was gonna save them for some more trail oriented rides like the 42nd/fishers etc. will be interesting to see how long they last on the 650r, if they do alright i might chuck em on for some gravel bashing

[Fluffy Cat]

Just one other thing to say about the ac10. The Baja was a 140 the ac10 a 120 both are the same width to look at when fitted.

[warewolf]

The Baja was a 140 the ac10 a 120 both are the same width to look at when fitted.There's a reason for that: different measurement systems (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/31920-Tyre-choice-for-adventure-riding-%28Mixing-road-and-off-road%29?p=1129384427).

[junkmanjoe]

Hi all.

has any one got a good E-09 in the shed, 90-90-21.
would like to buy one please.

JMJ

[Woodman]

Just took the klr for its first scrub in with the new t63 rear and the( hardly used but was sitting forgotten in the shed )d606 front. All good, the t63 done its usual weird new t63 shimmy thing on the tar but will go away soon, but the d606 makes the front seem very light and at plus 100k speeds on gravel the front shakes from sided to side something chronic. Its quite bizarre but doesn't seem unsafe.

I had about 25psi in it , what pressure do other d606 users run?

Note I had almost a full tank, about 24 litres on board which is never good but never like this.

[NordieBoy]

Drop it to 20psi as see if there's a difference.

[Oscar]

Just took the klr for its first scrub in with the new t63 rear and the( hardly used but was sitting forgotten in the shed )d606 front. All good, the t63 done its usual weird new t63 shimmy thing on the tar but will go away soon, but the d606 makes the front seem very light and at plus 100k speeds on gravel the front shakes from sided to side something chronic. Its quite bizarre but doesn't seem unsafe.

I had about 25psi in it , what pressure do other d606 users run?

Note I had almost a full tank, about 24 litres on board which is never good but never like this.

Up to 25psi on the street, down to 15psi off-road (less with rim locks).

[Taz]

Up to 25psi on the street, down to 15psi off-road (less with rim locks).

And remember that gravel roads are not off road so try 20 psi especially with your fuel load but I don't think the peressure is the cause. Did you balance the wheels?

[Woodman]

Right then , I will drop it to 20 psii, and no I didn,t balance the wheels, but then I never have.

[NordieBoy]

Dropping it will just prove weather it's pressure related.

Once they've worn a little they may come good.

[Oscar]

Right then , I will drop it to 20 psii, and no I didn,t balance the wheels, but then I never have.

I tend to agree with Anthrax, what you describe could either be 1) wheel balance 2) an out of true wheel or 3) a beeding problem.

[Mishmop]

Hey guys,

The range of tyres to choose from and combination front and back is very much key to a successful ride this year for me 25000km thruogh russia stans eastern europe desserts, mud, lots of gravel and tarmack. I have seen what mileage Mark and Jane got out of there Continental Tk. Currently Tom In our group has mit t63 he likes them. Dont know what they are like though loaded but un loaded he has got 5000km and they still look strong . Now i have read reviews on the Mitas E07, E09, dunlop 606....... I am going up North with the boys for a training run for 7 days and need make a choice. Can I have your up to date thoughts? If i could speak to one or two of you even? Or just respond via thread Thanks heaps.

[junkmanjoe]

Hey guys,

The range of tyres to choose from and combination front and back is very much key to a successful ride this year for me 25000km thruogh russia stans eastern europe desserts, mud, lots of gravel and tarmack..

wow what a great effort.. any links to your photos,,,
my vote is for the mitas E-07 and E-09, they stick to the road, and last for a long time.
I always ran the mitas on my dr650, and never had any trouble with them, or flats to the mater, i was also useing the mitas heavy duty rubber tubes..
give robin a call at LMS imports Palmerston north, hes my local mitas dealer, top bloke to deal with..
i just brought a new mitas to day off LMS..

JMJ

[NordieBoy]

wow what a great effort.. any links to your photos,,,

Let them do the trip first :D

[Taz]

i'm running the E-07 on my R1100GS and the E-09 on the 525's rear supermoto rim. E-07 works well as an all roads tyre on the GS while the E-09 on the 525 is a great road trail compromise. Both are wearing exceptionally well.

[junkmanjoe]

Let them do the trip first :D


:doh:

JMJ

[JATZ]

Just took the klr for its first scrub in with the new t63 rear and the( hardly used but was sitting forgotten in the shed )d606 front. All good, the t63 done its usual weird new t63 shimmy thing on the tar but will go away soon, but the d606 makes the front seem very light and at plus 100k speeds on gravel the front shakes from sided to side something chronic. Its quite bizarre but doesn't seem unsafe.

I had about 25psi in it , what pressure do other d606 users run?


Note I had almost a full tank, about 24 litres on board which is never good but never like this.


Turns out we had a brand new t63 sitting in the shed, MrsJatz got it for the D.B. last year and never used it, but she will this year. It looked sooooo shiney I went and ordered one for m'self, should be here wednesday.
So it's a tyre thing on the seal, I thought I'd done something wrong when putting it back on :gob:
So what pressure do the gurus recomend for seal and gravel with these things ?

[NordieBoy]

So what pressure do the gurus recomend for seal and gravel with these things ?

Use your normal technique :D

[Woodman]

Turns out we had a brand new t63 sitting in the shed, MrsJatz got it for the D.B. last year and never used it, but she will this year. It looked sooooo shiney I went and ordered one for m'self, should be here wednesday.
So it's a tyre thing on the seal, I thought I'd done something wrong when putting it back on :gob:
So what pressure do the gurus recomend for seal and gravel with these things ?

So does yours do the shimmy weavy thing too? If so it soon goes away.

I run about 25 in the rear, and the d606 seemed better today at 21psi.

The d606 has about 1000k on it when it was on my xl600 and has been in the shed for about 3 years. I was looking at it today and it has cracks at the base of the knobs like my rear tyres get after a while. Is this normal? , and what is the shelf life of a tyre? Just wondering is all.

[JATZ]

Use your normal technique :D

Thats the boys department now, he's reeeeal anal about tyre pressure. Dunno where he got that from, wasn't either of us

[JATZ]

So does yours do the shimmy weavy thing too? If so it soon goes away.

I run about 25 in the rear, and the d606 seemed better today at 21psi.

Yup, wobbly as a wobbly thing

[warewolf]

what is the shelf life of a tyre? Just wondering is all.Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!

Warning over old tyres (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/109106-Warning-over-old-tyres)

Front end shimmy can also be caused (or contributed to) by rear suspension settings. The stiff sidewalls on the new T63 may be altering things enough to upset the front (or are they soft to start with and get harder? :scratch:)

[NordieBoy]

Thats the boys department now, he's reeeeal anal about tyre pressure. Dunno where he got that from, wasn't either of us

Maybe it skips a generation?

[Woodman]

Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!

Warning over old tyres (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/109106-Warning-over-old-tyres)

Front end shimmy can also be caused (or contributed to) by rear suspension settings. The stiff sidewalls on the new T63 may be altering things enough to upset the front (or are they soft to start with and get harder? :scratch:)

Very interesting, but almost no help as per usual, e.g. too many opinions. Went to the michelin and dunlop sites and there is nothing there about age either except the dunlop site says that how you store tyres can directly affect their performance or thereabouts. The only number that co-relates to a date on the tyre in 020905, which would be about right considering when i got it.

Just got the light and inspected the cracks. They aren't cracks at all just sorta look like cracks at the base of the knobs.
I'll see how it goes on the dusty, I got 6 days of riding to test it out. woohoo.

[Padmei]

If it's any consolation Woodman my newish but really worn 606 front also has cracks starting around the base of the knobs.
I tend to look at them as laughter lines.

[NordieBoy]

Your tyres laugh at you?

Or with you?

[bart]

I know guys who buy car tyres years in advance. As long as they are kept out of sunlight, the theory is that the rubber hardens, and gives better wear.

I have a couple of high performance Yokohama's on my car. These had been sitting in a mates shed for years, and they are wearing better than any other tyres I've tried, and they have the worst wear rating by far. My manual V8 is VERY hard on tyres.

Don't know if this means shit for knobbly bike tyres though.

[warewolf]

I know guys who buy car tyres years in advance. As long as they are kept out of sunlight, the theory is that the rubber hardens, and gives better wear.
...
Don't know if this means shit for knobbly bike tyres though. ... at the expense of grip. Personally I would rather buy a new tyre with specific grip/wear characteristics, than attempt to modify the tyres' durability, and goodness knows what else, by letting them age. It is entirely relevant to bike tyres.

Doesn't mean I won't have tyres sitting around waiting to be used (got ~30 in the shed now :eek:) but I'm not deluding myself that like a fine wine, they're getting better with age. As they get older, they lose flexibility and grip. Fortunately (??) I go through knobbies at a fairly rapid rate so this lot should be burned up before they "go off".

I've got one very old tyre that is as hard as a brick despite near-new tread. It's a great reminder that tyres deteriorate if left to sit (it won't ever go on a bike again).

[bart]

I kind of figured as much. There had to be a trade off somewhere, as the factory would already 'age' or 'cure' them so they were at there optimum when you purchase the tyre.

[Taz]

The tyre on the rear of my Guzzi is over 10 years old....... It's still gripping fine.

[junkmanjoe]

i fitted some new shoes last night..
front went on no trouble,,,but the rear was a different story,, took ages to brake the old bead,on the scorp, that center stand works a treat... have to remember that if im out in the wap waps some where..
any ways, ive brougt a Michelin desert, and t63 front, i all ready had a set of mitas tubes.. so we see how they go.
mitas tires not due in for a couple months..
NOW LETS GO FIND SOME GRAVEL AND TRY THEM OUT................
JMJ

[bart]

Shit Joe, that's a big back tyre. How wide is that thing?

[Fluffy Cat]

Velly interesting Mr Bond....You will have to let us know how they go. They certainly look the business, wonder how they will hold up in the rain?.

[junkmanjoe]

Velly interesting Mr Bond....You will have to let us know how they go. They certainly look the business, wonder how they will hold up in the rain?.

they look and did the job just fine today, i had to catch up with chap in woodville.
so while i was there, i decided to do the loop down west coast to welly, and catch up with eddieb.

had dry roads, road works, so a bit of gravel, and rain, wet roads, Rimutakas was very wet, no trouble up there, and there is plenty of paint on that road.
front is great, backs a little bit of road noise, other wise there good.

time will tell how long they last,,

JMJ

[junkmanjoe]

Shit Joe, that's a big back tyre. How wide is that thing?

Hi bart, its a 140-80-18.

[bart]

Hi bart, its a 140-80-18.

Looks wider than that. I had a 140 on the DR650 recently. I actually found it too wide. As the tread wore in the middle it left large knobs on the edges, which made handling very interesting on the seal. looks like this tyre of yours isn't too aggressive on the edges though, so should be fine.

[cooneyr]

Looks wider than that. I had a 140 on the DR650 recently. I actually found it too wide. As the tread wore in the middle it left large knobs on the edges, which made handling very interesting on the seal. looks like this tyre of yours isn't too aggressive on the edges though, so should be fine.

The desert is a very square profile tyre compared to most tyres. Makes them look at lot bigger than most but they aren't.

Keen to hear how it lasts JMJ.

Cheers R

[junkmanjoe]

have had it over to with in 5mill of out edge knobs,,,, on the rear,,, just need to forget whats on there and go for it.... possibly wouldn't do that in the wet...

JMJ

[Woodman]

Ok tyre report after the dusty. 2500k riding.

The new t63 performed like a trooper, but is now pretty much worn to the point where I replace the last one.

D606 front looks a bit wornerer too, and will stay on and will be replaced with another d606 as it is very confidence inspiring and is the best tyre I have ever had on the klr. Noisy though.

[cynna]

i was happy with my t63 as well but it did wear quite quickly over the 1500 k i did

did you get your puncture in the front or the back??

[Woodman]

i was happy with my t63 as well but it did wear quite quickly over the 1500 k i did

did you get your puncture in the front or the back??

back tyre, picked up a nail. Jeez did I ever get paranoid about getting another puncture after that?

Just looking at the tyre before, and it has pretty much ripped off a centre knob too. Sharp rock?

[JATZ]

Our 2 T63's look to be about half worn but still holding good shape, I was impressed with the grip they have, really had to work to get the back to spin, even on the Maruia saddle sandy road surface. The new MT21 was less than perfect over the w/end, several times the front would wash out which didn't inspire confidence and kept cornering slow.
The boy got good wear out of his AC110 on the little bike, and it seemed to handle well

[Waihou Thumper]

Okay....3800Km round trip on new Heidenaus and the tyres look okay. 5-6mm left on both, so they should last awhile.

[dino3310]

sweet mate, hows the traction

[Waihou Thumper]

sweet mate, hows the traction


Umm, it grips, but given the terrain, the bike still jumped over the rutts and I had to back off...

[JATZ]

Umm, it grips, but given the terrain, the bike still jumped over the rutts and I had to back off...

WILBURS.......
should've given you a go on mine with the new shock in the rear, the front's still 21 yrs old and feels every bit of it

[Waihou Thumper]

Mr Ed....Wilburrrr...:)

[.chris]

Okay....3800Km round trip on new Heidenaus and the tyres look okay. 5-6mm left on both, so they should last awhile.

How much was the rear and what size?
What sort of km's do you estimate you will get out of them?

Need a replacment for my TKC

[Waihou Thumper]

How much was the rear and what size?
What sort of km's do you estimate you will get out of them?

Need a replacment for my TKC

No idea Chris...I bought a set. I dunno if they do 18 inch for the Katooms....BUT, you sure you want them, after the way they seem to fall apart mate? :)

[.chris]

No idea Chris...I bought a set. I dunno if they do 18 inch for the Katooms....BUT, you sure you want them, after the way they seem to fall apart mate? :)

You have seen how I ride, I could never go fast enough to destory even a cheap ass motorcyle retread.
Had a look on their site, they have a 140/80 18 listed but so do most tyre makers and when you try and get one they say "oh sorry, we have not started to manufacture that tire in that size yet"

So back to searching.
I just want a tire 140/80 18 that will last 6000km +, something 50/50.
I am looking at the Pirelli MT90 A/T as an option. Anyone have any other suggestions? Mitas E07 is already on my list.

[cooneyr]

..... Mitas E07 is already on my list.

E07 or E07 or wait for it E07! Personally I'm going to be a silly prick and drop a whole heap of coin on a D908rr next just to have ago. It will need to last 6k km for it to be worth it. The MT21 gave me 2500km for half the price. Only time will tell.

Cheers R

[warewolf]

Had a look on their site, they have a 140/80 18 listed but so do most tyre makers and when you try and get one they say "oh sorry, we have not started to manufacture that tire in that size yet"Or the NZ importer won't bring any in to the country.


I just want a tire 140/80 18 that will last 6000km +, something 50/50.
I am looking at the Pirelli MT90 A/T as an option. Anyone have any other suggestions? Mitas E07 is already on my list.E07 is on my 'next to buy' short list.

I've used the MT90 A/T, got nigh on 8,000km with it, and it even beat the Krapda K270 for $/km. BUT wouldn't call it a 50/50, that's more like the E07. MT90 A/T is a road tyre.

Don't be afraid of a 130/80 on the 690E. That's the size for the 640E, and I run them on the 640A no problemo even though spec is a 140/80 (and the bike/wheel is the same as the E). The smaller tyre turns better, they certainly don't feel any worse than a 140.

[clint640]

I just want a tire 140/80 18 that will last 6000km +, something 50/50.
I am looking at the Pirelli MT90 A/T as an option. Anyone have any other suggestions? Mitas E07 is already on my list.

I've used both on the back of the 640, I'd go for the EO-7. They both lasted about same but the EO-7 has much better grip on gravel & offroad, especially after a few k kms. The EO-7 has a touch less grip on the tar but I guess thats the price you pay for a harder, longer lasting compound.

Cheers
Clint

[NordieBoy]

The EO-7 has a touch less grip on the tar but I guess thats the price you pay for a harder, longer lasting compound.

Did you use the 130 or 140 section E-07?

[clint640]

I've worn out one of each now. I think the 140 which doesn't have the centre ridge hooked up a bit better for a bit longer than the 130 which has the centre ridge, there wasn't too much difference but I'm going to use the 140's from now on.

Cheers
Clint

[Padmei]

Tossing up between T63 or 606 for front. Have a worn 606 on the front atm but looking at the $50 price difference. Jatz you rate them?

[Woodman]

Tossing up between T63 or 606 for front. Have a worn 606 on the front atm but looking at the $50 price difference. Jatz you rate them?

Am pretty sure the t63 front is a lot less agressive than a d606. Sorta not really a match for the rear. Mind you i have never had a t63 front and at the moment have a d606 which I love.

[Kokopelli]

Yep, the T63 front knobs are tiny. I usually go with a MT21 because of it.

[Howie]

Tossing up between T63 or 606 for front. Have a worn 606 on the front atm but looking at the $50 price difference. Jatz you rate them?

They seem all right in Gravel, grass, and any dry surface. Not sure how well they'd do in mud, as they only have a fairly short depth of knob.


Am pretty sure the t63 front is a lot less agressive than a d606. Sorta not really a match for the rear. Mind you i have never had a t63 front and at the moment have a d606 which I love.

yep they are a lot less aggressive than a d606

Attached pic is a T63 with about 1000km on it. last one I changed out at about 8000k, but only as I had a long trip planned.

[junkmanjoe]

ive got around 2,500km on my front T63, its holding up good on the heavy bike.
the mitch desert on rear is also holding up good.

JMJ

[cooneyr]

I love the D606 front. Really rated it on the DR650 and XTZ750. The 950 is giving it a bloody hard time though. The edge knobs are getting well worn from cornering on the seal. Not sure if it will see 8k kms on the 950. Still it does so well on the seal and the gravel I dont think I'll be changing.

Cheers R

[Fluffy Cat]

Anything near 8k on a 606 on a 990 is pretty good. The 990 ain't a light bike and must give the 606 some abuse!.

[Padmei]

Thanks gents.

I am really happy with the one I've got so I guess I'll spend the extra & get another 606.
Now is there any online tyre places or cheap places to get them? I have googled but come up with nothing really apart from cycletreads.

[NordieBoy]

I am really happy with the one I've got so I guess I'll spend the extra & get another 606.
Now is there any online tyre places or cheap places to get them? I have googled but come up with nothing really apart from cycletreads.

Talk to Lester.

[junkmanjoe]

hi guys..any one got any cheap knoby tires i can chuck on my litte DR
its got 21" front and a 18" rear..

its only going to be used off road..
any help..

JMJ

[pete376403]

http://www.biketreadz.co.nz/index.php?T=Dirt&F=Rear&R=18

http://www.biketreadz.co.nz/index.php?T=Dirt&F=Front&R=21

[Taz]

Just an update on the 140/80x17 Mitas E09 on the back of the KTM525. It now has over 2000kms of seal and gravel on it and is still north of half worn. A dot legal knobby lasts only around 1500kms in comparison.

[dino3310]

i got a pair of ac10s to chuck on next, but after that im going back to E-09s....

or get a TKC80 front and just keep putting round rubber things on the back :Punk:

[junkmanjoe]

dino mate, just wait a bit and the new Dakar E-09 is here soon, harder case and wear longer..
130/80-18 E-09 DAKAR 72S TT R
Desert rally performer - upgraded Dakar version
- upgraded compound, reinforced bead and carcass
- extended lifespan over punishing terrain

JMJ

[NordieBoy]

- extended lifespan over punishing terrain

Wonder if this means harder compound - less grip on hardpack surfaces MT21 style...

[cooneyr]

dino mate, just wait a bit and the new Dakar E-09 is here soon, harder case and wear longer.. ...

What about the E-10 for the fatties? Any more news about them?

Cheers R

[NordieBoy]

What about the E-10 for the fatties? Any more news about them?

Looks like it's up to me again :rolleyes:



We prefer the term "big boned".

[dino3310]

dino mate, just wait a bit and the new Dakar E-09 is here soon, harder case and wear longer..
130/80-18 E-09 DAKAR 72S TT R
Desert rally performer - upgraded Dakar version
- upgraded compound, reinforced bead and carcass
- extended lifespan over punishing terrain


JMJ
sounds good mate, lets hope they keep the price down

[cooneyr]

Looks like it's up to me again :rolleyes:



We prefer the term "big boned".

Yes well some of us are both ;)

[.chris]

You have seen how I ride, I could never go fast enough to destory even a cheap ass motorcyle retread.
Had a look on their site, they have a 140/80 18 listed but so do most tyre makers and when you try and get one they say "oh sorry, we have not started to manufacture that tire in that size yet"

So back to searching.
I just want a tire 140/80 18 that will last 6000km +, something 50/50.
I am looking at the Pirelli MT90 A/T as an option. Anyone have any other suggestions? Mitas E07 is already on my list.

Well it turns out my TKC80 did about 7000km before it was completely flat in the middle, so it infact fits the job I hope for a tire.
I was worried that the first half of the tread went in the first 2000km, but the wear slowed from there. The TKC remains on my list.

[junkmanjoe]

What about the E-10 for the fatties? Any more news about them?

Cheers R

Mr mitas says, a fault in the making of the cases on the E-10.
he has ordered E-07. E-09, E-09 dakar.
this is ment to be available in the 140 -80-18.

JMJ

[warewolf]

Wonder if this means harder compound - less grip on hardpack surfaces MT21 style...I expect so. They've offered "Dakar" versions of various models/sizes for a long time. In the same way an E-09 is a close copy of a T-63, I'd expect the E-09 Dakar to be a close copy of the T-63's tougher brother, the Desert.

[Padmei]

Thinking about one of these clearance items for the CCA. Would it last a day or two?
http://www.torpedo7.co.nz/products/INTYXW8XF/title/INNOVA-Super-Cross-Front-Tyre-21

[andy mac]

Thinking about one of these clearance items for the CCA. Would it last a day or two?
http://www.torpedo7.co.nz/products/INTYXW8XF/title/INNOVA-Super-Cross-Front-Tyre-21

I couldn't resist those prices so bought both front & rear Innovas for the 250.
The front worked well but it wasn't round! It took 120psi to seat the bead & then it would relapse at 25psi. After 3500km I was sick of the bumpy ride & ditched it. It still had plenty of life.
The rear was FIM approved, meaning small 10mm knobs. Again it worked well but was worn down to the casing by 1700km.

Michelin T63 rear lasted 3000km. Next is a Dunlop 606 - because I want a big knob ... bly :shutup:

[warewolf]

The Innova Super Enduro front/rear are road legal, but the Super Cross front/rear aren't.
INNOVA Super Enduro Front Tyre 21" (http://www.torpedo7.co.nz/products/INTYXW8EF/title/INNOVA-Super-Enduro-Front-Tyre-21)

They'll certainly last a few days.

[JATZ]

Thinking about one of these clearance items for the CCA. Would it last a day or two?
http://www.torpedo7.co.nz/products/INTYXW8XF/title/INNOVA-Super-Cross-Front-Tyre-21

Jus curios........ did you try the Kenda ? Give it a strop through the Hira?

[Padmei]

Good stuff. The super enduro it is.
I haven't fitted the Kenda yet Jatz. I was going to wait to do it on the ferry ride over.

[NordieBoy]

I've got one of the Super Enduro fronts here you can try/use.

Didn't think you're allowed down with the bikes whilst sailing?

Put both on and have a blat up Sharlands first to see if you like them or not first.
Would be annoying to do the CCA on tyres you don't like...

[Eddieb]

Didn't think you're allowed down with the bikes whilst sailing?

Interislander clear and close the vehicle decks while sailing, dunno about Bluebridge.

[junkmanjoe]

yup there the same, bluebridge shut the lower deck off as well..

JMJ

[Padmei]

Only joking about changing the tyre. How did you find the front Nordie?

[NordieBoy]

Only joking about changing the tyre. How did you find the front Nordie?

Grips fine but feels very heavy in the steering. I was running 18psi however and it may be better at 20-22psi.

Willdat? is running one on his DR too...

[Ally67]

Willdat? is running one on his DR too...

:rofl: :rofl:






jatz......

[Willdat?]

Willdat? is running one on his DR too...

Bastard! The MT60 rear was the weaker point of the bike over the Maungatapu (aside from the rider!)...

[NordieBoy]

Bastard! The MT60 rear was the weaker point of the bike over the Maungatapu (aside from the rider!)...
The engine went well over the track though.

Nope, the MT60 isn't the tyre for the job unless the bike (or rider) has a bit more weight.

[Willdat?]

The engine went well over the track though.

Nope, the MT60 isn't the tyre for the job unless the bike (or rider) has a bit more weight.

The engine went pretty well, tried to flood itself a few times if I tried staying in second, quite happy roaring away though....

At the moment apparently it's running well with a stator that has no lighting coil. All I need now is a stator and to eat a few pies!

[Parkie]

I put Mitas tyres on me Elefant last week - an E07 on the back & wanted to put an E07 on the front to but Red Baron cocked up and fitted an E08 instead....I think it was what they had in stock as opposed to what I asked for.

I hassled them about this & they said they would call me when they have an E07 front in stock & swap it.

I went for a ride with some mates in the weekend - the tyres appeared to be working OK on the tarmac until I braked for a one lane bridge..the front E08 washed out with no warning and dropped me on the deck at 80kph. Ouch. Didn't get around to playing in the dirt on my way home as the bike & I were somewhat battered.

Very unimpressed with this tyre. I used to run Michelin Anakees which have the same sort of road/trail bias as the E08 and the Anakees never let go, were very predictable and last.

If you want a tyre with 80/20 road/trail bias go for the Anakees - the E08 is dangerous.

Am a bit worried about the E07 that is coming now - if their supposedly road orienated tyre does this then what suprises does a chunkier tyre have in store for me?

[dino3310]

i dont think many would rate the E-08, havent heard much about them, they look a little timid, i wouldnt use them...
was the tyre run in, i know how bad the silocon is before it wears of, i dropped my old gl on a new tyre, it just washed out with no warning on a round about. But after a 100klms she was gripping nice an hard.
the E-07s are good but they aint no pirelli super corsa's

[Parkie]

I'd put about 100Kms on it, had been scratching through the twisties for 20 minutes so was well warmed up.

Got the E 07 on this afternoon - more the sort of tyre I was looking for.

[JATZ]

Interesting comment re the E-08......... I have a set I use when doing lots of road stuff, the front was well run in when I got it and the rear was new. I like them for road stuff and they are O.K. on gravel, I rode into Big river with them on at road pressure and they were fine. If I was looking for an 80/20 tyre again I would definitly get another set

[topo]

I strongly disagree with this view of the E-08, i've run a few sets of them on my old GSPD and can't fault them for their road performance and have taken me more places than a PD has any right to go of road. Sure they are targeted at those who ride "dirty" bikes on sealed roads and who can't ride on gravel to save them selves but don't hold that against the tire (it's the marketing dept's fault).

[NordieBoy]

The E-08 198528 is similar to the Shinko 705 198527 which is $120 for a rear...

[dino3310]

I strongly disagree with this view of the E-08, i've run a few sets of them on my old GSPD and can't fault them for their road performance and have taken me more places than a PD has any right to go of road. Sure they are targeted at those who ride "dirty" bikes on sealed roads and who can't ride on gravel to save them selves but don't hold that against the tire (it's the marketing dept's fault).

yep thats y i dont buy them, i need the 09s to help keep the XR upright :lol: but when i am ridin its 80%metal, when i get my big GS1100 for road touring i'd look at them.

[clint640]

Crikey, it's always a struggle when it comes to new tyre time. CCA & winter coming up, need something a bit knobbier than the current D605F/E-07R combo so call up bike shop... Thought I'd try a MT21 on the front, nope sorry, none available. D606? yep, can get them, $170... Er no thanks. Ordered a T63 front offa the Cycletreads website, on special at $109 + $8 freight hopefully it's good, haven't used one before.

On the back I thought I'd try a T63, yep 130/80-18 available, $180. Eh? I thought someone said they were around $130? Screw that, I'll just get another of those MT21 copy Vee rubber VRM147's they were pretty good for $120... nope none available, maybe in a couple of months... Ah well called up LMS & got a E-09 on the way for $150 + $12 delivery. Haven't tried an E-09 before either so that'll be interesting.

Cheers
Clint

[junkmanjoe]

hey clint, ive got the T63 on the front, of the 9fidy,and runing a mich desert on the rear,, they got around 2.500kms on, and doing the job good.
as most knobs, watch the E-09 on wet painted lines and smooth seal, where the tar had bleed through,,,
but dont be worried about pushing both them tires hard, they grip good,,, just ask jatz, how far over i was in the buller gorge....
i used to run the E-09 right over to the outer knobs on the dr650 no worries..

JMJ

[JATZ]

Bloody hell $180 for a T63, was that fitted and balanced too, with a cuppa while you wait, and a complimentry bike groom ? I think I paid 140 for mine incl. freight. Still holding up well after about 3500 k.

[dino3310]

http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/products/304-michelin_trail/1102-michelin_t63.aspx

dont know where you got your prices from bro

[cooneyr]

http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/products/304-michelin_trail/1102-michelin_t63.aspx

dont know where you got your prices from bro

Still a $165. Size is 130/80-18 remember. Not some namby pamby easy to find and cheap 17 incher - :doh:

Cheers R

[warewolf]

On the back I thought I'd try a T63, yep 130/80-18 available, $180. Eh? I thought someone said they were around $130?Last one I bought was for the last CCA... $135 fitted. Prices have jumped several times since then - and maybe even since I last looked a month or two ago.


Still a $165.Or $179+ from someone else. Cycletreads' import business don't give good wholesale prices to their retail competitors.

[Wefaknis]

whats on your bike Anthrax?

[clint640]

Bloody hell $180 for a T63, was that fitted and balanced too, with a cuppa while you wait, and a complimentry bike groom ? I think I paid 140 for mine incl. freight. Still holding up well after about 3500 k.

Hardly, I fit my own tyres, the shop charges too much & then usually leave them at 20 psi & forget to balance them cos they mainly do dirtbikes. The shop usually charges freight in on top of anything they order for me too... then they probably wonder why we buy stuff off the internets. Got a chain off cycletreads too since it was $20 cheaper than the shop & I was already paying the freight on the tyre.

Funny how the 120 wide T63 is $6 more than the 110, but the 130 is $40 more than the 120!

Clint

[dino3310]

Still a $165. Size is 130/80-18 remember. Not some namby pamby easy to find and cheap 17 incher - :doh:

Cheers R

still its not $180 and i dont buy namby pamby 17"s ive got a 130/80-18 T63 on at the moment....
im look at the cheapys on trademe for the rear, already bought a couple. ive only done about 400ks on the T63 (ontop of POs klms) and its chewing out fast, will buy another E09 for longer trips but for know it will be cheap black and round on the back and something trustworthy on the front.

[dino3310]

Last one I bought was for the last CCA... $135 fitted. Prices have jumped several times since then - and maybe even since I last looked a month or two ago.

Or $179+ from someone else. Cycletreads' import business don't give good wholesale prices to their retail competitors.
just get a VIP gold card and get it straight from them


Funny how the 120 wide T63 is $6 more than the 110, but the 130 is $40 more than the 120!

Clint

yeah aye, you would think it should be $131

[Crisis management]

On the back I thought I'd try a T63, yep 130/80-18 available, $180. Eh?

I put a 130/80 T63 on the rear for the DB from Cycletreads...$147.00, it's done the around the south island bit 3500kms? but is now half gone and no use in anything requiring traction off road, lasted better than the MT21 so now my tyres of choice are:
MT21 on the front (7000kms life)
T63 on the rear (unless I need a throw away and there's something really cheap around.)

Just a note tho, I prefer the on road feel of the MT21 it gives more feedback at the limit of traction and will slide predictably, I don't get that feeling on the T63, it hasn't let me down but just doesn't seem to give the feedback, I suspect it may let go in a big way.......

[Woodman]

still its not $180 and i dont buy namby pamby 17"s ive got a 130/80-18 T63 on at the moment....
im look at the cheapys on trademe for the rear, already bought a couple. ive only done about 400ks on the T63 (ontop of POs klms) and its chewing out fast, will buy another E09 for longer trips but for know it will be cheap black and round on the back and something trustworthy on the front.

T63 and e 09 pretty much the same (for me) in longivity. Tis hard to actually compare wear rates cos everyone rides differenter.

[dino3310]

T63 and e 09 pretty much the same (for me) in longivity. Tis hard to actually compare wear rates cos everyone rides differenter.

too true mate, comes down to the individual

[Transalper]

Well, I just picked up another Mitas C02 Rear in time to break it in before the trip to the CCA.
They are really squarmy for a start until all those horrible patterned ends wear off then they are great.
Was going to do another Dunlop D606 as they are good straight out of the box but maybe don't last as long, but since owning my last D606 their price has shot up so am happy to take another Mitas C02 at $140. I take em home and fit them myself to keep in practice in case I ever get a puncture.

[dino3310]

wow thats a very aggresive tyre, i didnt realise they were DOT rated, what kind of klms are you getting out of them

[junkmanjoe]

it seams they are, from a web site.

The combination of the Mitas C02 rear and C15 front is probably the most agressive road legal off road tyres available and they are quickly becoming a favourite with green lane riders throughout europe. The C02 & C15 are fully road legal and the agressive patterns with a 20mm knobble height on the rear and 14mm on the front makes this tyre combination suitable for most terrains from very stony to very soft and whatever you encounter on a days green lane riding.


interesting.
JMJ

[Kokopelli]

Who sells them?

[Peril]

The C02 is an awesome tyre,does pretty much everything well.Mud,sand,gravel...all hooks up good.
A bit wallowy on the road as the tread is 18mm tall (from memory) new,but they hang on ok.
Highly recommended for the more offroad type rider or the adventure rider who like to have confidence in his rear end in all conditions. <--- sounds like an ad for incontinence underwear eh :shit:

[NordieBoy]

That looks even more aggressive than the Kenda 760...

199336

[dino3310]

Who sells them?

http://www.lmsimports.co.nz/products.php

[cromagnon]

http://www.lmsimports.co.nz/products.php

Are they cheaper from this site compared to shops? The prices arent displayed on the website.

[junkmanjoe]

the chap who runs this shop, is a friend of mine, and you get the best deal for your dollar from here..
i dont think i would run this tire for long distance hiway use, maybe short stints, from track to track.
my thoughts.
this is the nz mitas importer.

JMJ

[Peril]

The C02 was fine for my aborted Dusty Butt last year.Rode from the SH1 turn off at Waipara up through Rainbow and onto Atawhai where it was dumped,with no adverse effects and little wear.

[dino3310]

Are they cheaper from this site compared to shops? The prices arent displayed on the website.

email him for current prices and yes its cheaper through them

[warewolf]

They are really squarmy for a start until all those horrible patterned ends wear off then they are great.:rofl:

Them's the bits that give you extra traction in the dirt; an off-road racer would probably biff them by the time those are gone! :laugh:

[Transalper]

I bought mine in store at Dirt Action Services $140.. One might imagine they get them through LMS? I have no idea.
As for life... i reckon on the DR it lasted better than the E09. I've got a second set of rims with E07s mounted for general riding but I don't always swap em over so from memory..... been using the C02 since May 2008,
The C02 has been on for 1.5 Dusty Butts (gearbox broke on the .5 trip), the ride from ChCh to wellington then 2008 CCA and home again, one Brass Monkey Adventure, The Dusty Butt route checking ride. Last weeks overnighter road ride ChCh to Blackball (West Coast, mostly sealed road that one) and several runs out about the Peninsula just because they were still on the bike. Plus other stuff like Lees valley, although if the E07s are on I'll use them for that too.
I like them... all except the first bit until that horrible pattern wears off the top edge.

I think they last better than the E09 because of the tread depth at new, but the E09 does give a little more sealed road confidence.
My butt puckers for the first few corners after changing from a long stint on E07s back to C02s but then I get the feel of it again and all is good.

[Kokopelli]

Didn't think it would be such a problem to get a front tyre, but it looks like it is. I can get a T63 front, but I would prefer something more aggressive. However, none of my preferred choices are in the country. I have been offered a Kenda K760
http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/images/products/21.990.jpg?width=300&height=350 but have no idea if this will work on a R80GS. I can hear the tyre howling just by looking at it. It's a long way done to Wellywood.

[Transalper]

I've seen those before, PLUG used them a few times.
I imagine it would be almost half gone by the time you got down to the ride from Auckland.

[NordieBoy]

The 760 rear is nice and cheap, brilliant on the trails, OK on the road. Wear quite well.
I was going to use one if I went to the CCA.

On the front I think it'd last no problems.

MT21 would be another option?

[Kokopelli]

Can't get an MT21 would have been my first choice. I am just worried, because the R80 is no lighweight.

[JATZ]

Had a 760 on the big for a while, it hooked up well but that was it's only good point IMHO. Didn't last well at all and sounded like a swarm of bees was chasing me everywhere, the side knobs flexed like a bastard when scooting round corners too.
Padmei has the remains of it now and I think he's using it for the CCA

[Kokopelli]

Thanks for the input. I'll probably give them a try. Even if they wear pretty quickly, there's got to be more left on them then the T63 front has to start with by the time I get there. I just hope that I won't have to ride it back in the wet.

[NordieBoy]

Had a 760 on the big for a while, it hooked up well but that was it's only good point IMHO. Didn't last well at all and sounded like a swarm of bees was chasing me everywhere, the side knobs flexed like a bastard when scooting round corners too.
Padmei has the remains of it now and I think he's using it for the CCA

But did you have a go with a front?

[rogerh]

I like them. Well the fronts anyway. Yep wear ear plugs. I don't because I don't do too many long road trips. But they are really hard rubber, and wore well on the front of a 640E, but I don't think it is too heavy in the front. I got almost 10k out of it of mixed riding. It is not a road tyre on the seal (take care in the wet!), but that doesn't both me as I don't push it. Lasts on the road, and is a pretty good tyre both off road and on gravel. Suits me.
YMMV.
Looks like I may get to the CCA, and I was thinking of putting one on the rear too, but I will be coming up from Christchurch (over several days), but I will spoon it on when I get to Wellington, and change it again before I head north.

[JATZ]

But did you have a go with a front?

No :no: . .

[warewolf]

I've run plenty of aggressive front tyres like the K760 Trakmaster II... maybe even more so. Seem to go plenty good enough on the tar at quasi-legal speeds and "conservative" (not hanging around, not going nuts) cornering speeds. Yep, sure they have a different feel to a more road-oriented tyre, but a) the 640A needs an aggressive front tyre for the dirt so that's what I run, and b) with a similar rear fitted, the rear upsets the handling much more.

These: IRC Battle Rally BR-99<br />
http://www.irc-tire.com/mce/tires/dual/br-99/main_01.jpg (http://www.irc-tire.com/mce/tires/br-99.html#br-99)

these: Bridgestone Gritty ED661 (http://mc.bridgestone.co.jp/en/products/gritty/index.html) which I really rate as a proper dual-purpose tyre ie one with some decent dirt grip (most enduro hard terrain tyres fall into this category)
http://mc.bridgestone.co.jp/common/image/products/gritty/photo/ed661.jpg

and these: Pirelli Scorpion MX eXTra (http://www.pirellityre.com/web/tyres-catalog/moto-offRoad-mx_all_ground/en_IT/SCORPION%20MX%20EXTRA/default.page), similar but not quite as linear tread pattern to the MX Hard 486 (http://www.pirellityre.com/web/tyres-catalog/moto-offRoad-mx_hard/en_IT/SCORPION%20MX%20Hard%20486/default.page) which Ryan found a little yuk! tracking longitudinal features on the road, these ones don't seem to
http://www.pirellityre.com/en_IT/browser/attachments/images/MOTO%20catalog_long/Dettaglio%20Battistrada/imgdet_scorpion%20mx%20e%20XT.jpg

and recently these, including our little jaunt over Takaka Hill and out to the Cobb, Trilobite Hut etc and return since I couldn't be bothered changing tyres both ends, did mighty fine (really an MX tyre but still road legal): Pirelli Scorpion MX MidSoft 32<br />
http://www.pirellityre.com/en_IT/browser/attachments/images/MOTO%20catalog_long/Dettaglio%20Battistrada/imgdet_scorpion%20mx%20mid%20soft%2032.jpg (http://www.pirellityre.com/web/tyres-catalog/moto-offRoad-mx_mid_soft/en_IT/Scorpion%20MX%20Mid%20Soft%2032/default.page)

Run all of them on the dirt bike till the rounded knobs reduce grip, then run 'em on the road legal bike for 5, 6000km+ and still biff them before they get down to "legal" minimum depth ie utterly fcuked for a knobbly. So I can't imagine the K760 being too short-lived on a street bike.

[Kokopelli]

Well, I just had the tyres fitted to my "street bike" (still not sure if calling the mighty GS a street bike is an insult). I was pleasantly surprised with the K760 on the front. It looks to be frog safe, but is no louder than the T63 front I had on. It also feels quite stable around corners, not that I've been pushing it on the way home. If there is still some tread left by the time I've reached Wellington I'll keep using that as a front tyre.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v727/Berwyn/DSC00916.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v727/Berwyn/DSC00915.jpg

[Box'a'bits]

Motorad parts tells me that they have been advised by the distribuiter there is a shipment of MT21 tyres due in the last couple of days - so hopefully these will be available prior to the CCA.

[warewolf]

Well, I just had the tyres fitted to my "street bike" (still not sure if calling the mighty GS a street bike is an insult).Street bike as in 'used on the street' as opposed to a purely off-roader.

[Eddieb]

Bloody hell Alex, you could eat dinner off that. It definately is a street bike ;)

Makes me feel bad about the state of the PD, especially after yesterdays efforts where I discovered TKC'80's and neither wet clay or long wet grass mix very well. And because of that I've just sourced a knobblier front tyre for the CCA.

[Kokopelli]

Bloody hell Alex, you could eat dinner off that. It definately is a street bike ;).

I cleaned it before the last service, it's much nicer to work on a clean bike. But you're right, it hasn't seen much dirt lately. Hopefully this will change soon.

[dino3310]

still a good price, the kendas are cheap as chips
http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/products/304-michelin_trail/1102-michelin_t63.aspx
http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/products/243-michelin_off_road/1634-michelin_ac10.aspx
http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/products/306-kenda_trail/1611-kenda_k760_trackmaster.aspx
http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/products/306-kenda_trail/1559-kenda_k270.aspx

[dino3310]

Bloody hell Alex, you could eat dinner off that. .
Gotta agree.
i drool when ever i see that beemer Alex, shes a fine example

[bart]

Just been scrubbing in a Mitas E-09 rear. Did about 750km on the weekend. Awesome on the seal, but.....I found it shit on the gravel. Can't quite understand why. Perhaps it has too much grip, as I've been running a bald Trailwing lookalike over the summer, and have got used to massive fishtails. I found it was pushing the front a lot, and I was regularly loosing the front :angry:. I was running high pressures for the road.

Weird. I hope it improves once it wears. :blink:

[Woodman]

Just been scrubbing in a Mitas E-09 rear. Did about 750km on the weekend. Awesome on the seal, but.....I found it shit on the gravel. Can't quite understand why. Perhaps it has too much grip, as I've been running a bald Trailwing lookalike over the summer, and have got used to massive fishtails. I found it was pushing the front a lot, and I was regularly loosing the front :angry:. I was running high pressures for the road.

Weird. I hope it improves once it wears. :blink:

Mine and others experience with e09s Bartman is that they are real prone to sliding when you get them cranked over, and not always predictably. You are probly used to a lot of wheelspin and bugger all forward drive.

[bart]

Mine and others experience with e09s Bartman is that they are real prone to sliding when you get them cranked over, and not always predictably. You are probly used to a lot of wheelspin and bugger all forward drive.

Yeah, it was kinda strange. Unpredictable is the word.

One thing I found is I had to change my riding style. Standing and getting your weight over the front didn't work. It kind of suited the sitting down and sticking your foot out method.

[Woodman]

Yeah, it was kinda strange. Unpredictable is the word.

One thing I found is I had to change my riding style. Standing and getting your weight over the front didn't work. It kind of suited the sitting down and sticking your foot out method.

Yep thats them allright, also real good for long sideways slides, although don't get too good at them cos you won't get much life from it.

I use t63's now. very predictable, better grip, better wear . Oh and cheaper.

[dino3310]

different strokes for different folks(and bikes). i found the total oppisite to what you say woodman about the T63 - e-09 :blink:. i found them very simular except i found better wear out of the 09 and the 63 was cracking at base of knobs .

i did find on the BIG simular to barts finding, after the trailwing i found the rear getting more traction with the 09 and pushing the shitty TW on the front around, i had to shift my weight around a bit to compensate.
i'd use either with no real complaints, depends whats cheaper at the time:yes: gotta set of AC-10s to chuck on next they seem to be rating them well in the states. once there gone its what evers cheapest.... $$$$ r tight since the rebuild:shutup: even those kendas are looking good:shit:

[JATZ]

I'll be buying T63's again, just did another 1200+ k's on the rear I put on before the DB. A bit of cracking round the base of the knobs but not too bad and it still hangs on in the wet, and trust me, it was wet down the coast this w/end :yes: I reakon I'll get to 6000k on it easy (mt21 only lasted 3000)
Feels really wierd on the road when it's only got 9psi in it though :gob:

[Padmei]

I've still got that trackmaster thing here Jatz. If you don't want it back I think Nordie would like to add it to the pile in his shed.

I realise now how limited the tyre choice is on the KLR. For a grunty tyre that is 130 80 17 you only really have the MT21, E- O9 or the T63 which I haven't tried yet. Plenty of 'softer' tyre options.

What causes the knobs to crack at the base? Bit disheartening to see that happening when the tyre is still relatively good condition.

[JATZ]

I've still got that trackmaster thing here Jatz. If you don't want it back I think Nordie would like to add it to the pile in his shed.

I realise now how limited the tyre choice is on the KLR. For a grunty tyre that is 130 80 17 you only really have the MT21, E- O9 or the T63 which I haven't tried yet. Plenty of 'softer' tyre options.

What causes the knobs to crack at the base? Bit disheartening to see that happening when the tyre is still relatively good condition.

Nah, donate it to the Nordie collection.
Perhaps you should do what I'm doin, Gunna stick an 18 in. rim on the rear of the DR, that way all our bikes'll have the same size rear.
I guess the knobs just flex and crack at the base.

[Padmei]

Thats a bloody good idea with the rim. What's the cost gonna be?

[JATZ]

Thats a bloody good idea with the rim. What's the cost gonna be?

Depends.......got a few options....
#1- 18in rim about 300-350, stainless spokes about 200 from Germany, relacing by proffesionals ?
#2- Get another XT600 for a donor motor and I'll grab the rear rim, still need spokes but.
#3- Stick a KTM rear on including disc brake, cost= lots

[dino3310]

me and my mate up here were looking at a 18inch as one of the mods i wanted to do...... the 17 in the sand was fooking horrible with that much torque.

all past tense off course

[cooneyr]

I've still got that trackmaster thing here Jatz. If you don't want it back I think Nordie would like to add it to the pile in his shed.

I realise now how limited the tyre choice is on the KLR. For a grunty tyre that is 130 80 17 you only really have the MT21, E- O9 or the T63 which I haven't tried yet. Plenty of 'softer' tyre options.

What causes the knobs to crack at the base? Bit disheartening to see that happening when the tyre is still relatively good condition.

D606. I prefer this way more than the MT21 and the E-09 on a 650 (950 would eat it in short order). Never tried the T63 and they are too small for the 950 unfortunatly.
http://www.crfsonly.com/catalog/images/d606-rear.jpg

[Padmei]

Ah yes thanks Ryan. I am running a 606 on the front & will replace as soon as there are any in the country however forgot about one for the back.

[Fluffy Cat]

The D606 works a treat on the xr650r on the rear. Seemed to eat everything else I chucked on it.

[bart]

Looks good. How much?

[NordieBoy]

So far so good with the Shinko E705's.

I like them.

[dino3310]

http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/products/331-dunlop_off_road/3172-dunlop_d606_enduro.aspx

sorry forgot to quote for barts: Looks good. How much?

[bart]

http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/products/331-dunlop_off_road/3172-dunlop_d606_enduro.aspx

sorry forgot to quote for barts: Looks good. How much?

Cheers. For that coin I'd be looking at the Conti TKC80. Had a good run out of Conti's in the past.

[Eddieb]

It's still only about 60% of the cost of a TKC, and the TKC's seem to melt like hot butter.

[Woodman]

And the 606 is $50 more than a t63.

[bart]

It's still only about 60% of the cost of a TKC, and the TKC's seem to melt like hot butter.

Shit, what do you pay for TKC's. :gob:

Actually, I haven't bought one for a while, or in a 17. Perhaps I should do some homework.

[cooneyr]

All tyres have gone up quite a bit in price over the last year or so. The D606 130/80-17 use to be about $140 so $194 is a fair step up. Front D606 is now about 140 from 110 where as I the last I heard the T63 front was still about $100. I'm going to try a T63 front next just cause I havent and they are cheaper.

[umopom]

Just heard that the Dunlop D908RR is going to be available in NZ in May - don't have a price yet but they look good and the reviews are positive on most aspects.
Cheers
JC

[junkmanjoe]

All tyres have gone up quite a bit in price over the last year or so. The D606 130/80-17 use to be about $140 so $194 is a fair step up. Front D606 is now about 140 from 110 where as I the last I heard the T63 front was still about $100. I'm going to try a T63 front next just cause I havent and they are cheaper.

im useing the T63 90/90/21 on the front, has around 4,000kms on it and its wearing very well, i was a bit worried about extra weight on it from the heaver bike, it took me around top of south island, no trouble, its gripy and handles the corners good.
im using the Michelin desert on the back, 140/80/18, i find this tire a bit weird in the corners some times, feels like its a bit flat... but its tight.. is wearing very well, and sticks to the seal, not had any moments as of yet....

i dont think ill buy another desert, just feels a bit weird some times..
Im still hoping the mitas E-10 comes here, but the E-09 dakar as got good ratings for heaver bikes....

JMJ

[.chris]

Just heard that the Dunlop D908RR is going to be available in NZ in May - don't have a price yet but they look good and the reviews are positive on most aspects.
Cheers
JC

Can you keep us updated on the price when you find out please, the more 140/80 18 options the better.

[Rosie]

The Vee Rubber VRM147 front, and Michelin T63 rear, combo that I put on for the CCA is doing well.
The Vee Rubber was a plan B, because there were no T63 fronts in the country, but it goes reasonably well on and off road, and isn't wearing too quickly. It vibes a bit more than the TW301 I normally run, but that is expected with a knobblier tyre. And they are cheap - $92 fitted :shit:
Since I do less technical riding over winter, I'm about to swap them for a set of Pirelli MT40's that I got cheap from the bike wrecker. I've run the back before and liked it, so we'll see how the front goes (for $40 a tyre, I'm not too concerned if the front is no good).

[warewolf]

Just heard that the Dunlop D908RR is going to be available in NZ in May - don't have a price yet but they look good and the reviews are positive on most aspects.There's only two bad points usually raised: the stiff bead and the stiff price. The stiff bead is said to be so bad there are doubts they are field repairable ie can't get them off with normal tyre levers. The stiff price is offset by their long life, but really only offer the same $/km as several other comparable options.

They were tested in NZ 4 years ago. It's quite possible they are now considered old enough (5+ years) for the R&D costs to have been recouped, allowing the price to be reduced and thus saleable in NZ?!

[NordieBoy]

Tried the Shinko E705's up Sharlands Creek today.
18psi front and rear.
I've been running them at 26 front and rear for the road with no temperature issues.

Went to the northern and southernmost corners and points in-between.

So far I really like them :yes:

Gravel, hardpack, shale, rocks, loose dirt, they seem to be able to do it all.
Got up and down all the usual places and even got down (slowly) the shaley hill Padmei hasn't got up yet.

I think 20psi front would still be sweet and keep the tyre profile a little better as it feels a little heavy in the steering.
Also wonder how different the 130 rear would feel.

$104 for a front and $114 for a rear.
Value for money for a general purpose tyre - I don't think you can do better :D

[Fluffy Cat]

Aren't the 908's made for the larder type trail bikes like the 990 adv. The Scorpion's also have stiffer side-walls think they have to for 1, extra lard and 2, higher speed rating. The Scorps are impossible to get off in the field and hard work in the workshop.

[cooneyr]

Aren't the 908's made for the larder type trail bikes like the 990 adv. The Scorpion's also have stiffer side-walls think they have to for 1, extra lard and 2, higher speed rating. The Scorps are impossible to get off in the field and hard work in the workshop.

Yep but I still want to try the 908RR. The KTM's ADV's have a lip between where the bead sits and the dish the same as the DR650's. Both are a right PITA to break the beads on but the type of tyre only contributes a little bit. THe Adv's are a peice of cake to break the bead if you use the side stand while the bike is on the centre stand. Video of how to here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzgHVjXZwoM&feature=player_embedded). I should really use a strap next time though!!!

Cheers R

[bart]

Just been scrubbing in a Mitas E-09 rear. Did about 750km on the weekend. Awesome on the seal, but.....I found it shit on the gravel. Can't quite understand why. Perhaps it has too much grip, as I've been running a bald Trailwing lookalike over the summer, and have got used to massive fishtails. I found it was pushing the front a lot, and I was regularly loosing the front :angry:. I was running high pressures for the road.

Weird. I hope it improves once it wears. :blink:

I take it all back. The E-09, now quarter worn, is behaving much better. Now the knobs have rounded off, it's much more predictable. I almost like it now.

[warewolf]

The Scorpion'sThe Scorpion what's??? Pirelli label almost all their tyres "scorpion" these days: car, bike, 4wd, on-road, off-road, yada yada yada (http://www.google.co.nz/images?hl=&q=pirelli+scorpion&rlz=1B3DVFC_enNZ210NZ268&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=NqDJS5bcD5eXkQXrteHXBA&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=5&ved=0CCsQsAQwBA). You need to be more specific. I'm running quite a few different Scorpions and none have the problem you describe.

[Fluffy Cat]

You would know if you had a 990 adv lard bike:yes:

[warewolf]

None of the scorpions in similar size & construction to the tube-type crossply D908RR are a problem. Not sure they are designed for the twins; they're not available in the OEM size, speed rating or construction!!

The tubeless radial scorpions to suit the 9x0 are always gonna be a mutha to fit cfm. a tube-type crossply. Just the nature of the construction really. But anecdotally I've heard the D908RR is such a bitch to fit it may as well be a tubeless radial.

[cooneyr]

.....But anecdotally I've heard the D908RR is such a bitch to fit it may as well be a tubeless radial.

Sounds like a challange. Another reason to try them when I have the opportunity/funds.

[junkmanjoe]

Heidenau K60 Adventure 140/80-18

any you bigger bike dudes tried this brand.
I have been talking to my IMS imports man in palmerston north, the E-10 is dew in later this year, his first shipment is arriving soon but only in the 17inch......BUGGER..

so was wondering about trying this brand out your thoughts..

http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/64/124704764_full.jpg

JMJ

[That looks like fun]

Couple of guys running them in the naki, so far nothing but good reports. A KTM was running them at the last Taranaki Tour run by Phil an Youngy. Thinking seriously about tossing some on the Bimmer when I have worn out all my spares

[Eddieb]

Heidenau K60 Adventure 140/80-18

any you bigger bike dudes tried this brand.
I have been talking to my IMS imports man in palmerston north, the E-10 is dew in later this year, his first shipment is arriving soon but only in the 17inch......BUGGER..

so was wondering about trying this brand out your thoughts..

http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/64/124704764_full.jpg

JMJ

How much are they?

[.chris]

Heidenau K60 Adventure 140/80-18

any you bigger bike dudes tried this brand.
I have been talking to my IMS imports man in palmerston north, the E-10 is dew in later this year, his first shipment is arriving soon but only in the 17inch......BUGGER..

so was wondering about trying this brand out your thoughts..

http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/64/124704764_full.jpg

JMJ

I think NZKTM had some of these on his DRBIG.
I saw one (140/80 18) on trademe a while back, was $247 iirc.

[junkmanjoe]

yea they on tm

JMJ

[cooneyr]

Are the K60's really worth the extra coin over the E07 - about $160ish if I recall correctly.

[dino3310]

changed the IRC on the front for an AC10 mitchy, thought i'd broken my record and done it in 40 mins, then i heard the hissing:shit:, no pinch just a fooked tube thingymejig. so out she came and another 20 mins:angry:.
anyone got one of those heavy duty tubes from ims, mines leaking where the valve comes out, theres a washer and nut and when there done up it dont leak, but when its just the valve it leaks bad, is this normal am i ment to leave the washer and nut on ? dont seem write to me but thought this might be specific to this kinda tube...:blink:

[Oscar]

Heidenau K60 Adventure 140/80-18

any you bigger bike dudes tried this brand.
I have been talking to my IMS imports man in palmerston north, the E-10 is dew in later this year, his first shipment is arriving soon but only in the 17inch......BUGGER..

so was wondering about trying this brand out your thoughts..

http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/64/124704764_full.jpg

JMJ

I just put one of these on me 950.

[NordieBoy]

mines leaking where the valve comes out, theres a washer and nut and when there done up it dont leak, but when its just the valve it leaks bad, is this normal am i ment to leave the washer and nut on ? dont seem write to me but thought this might be specific to this kinda tube...:blink:

Leave the washer and nut on the base of the valve.
It keeps the rubber away from the edges of the valve stem hole.

[dino3310]

Leave the washer and nut on the base of the valve.
It keeps the rubber away from the edges of the valve stem hole.

so do you mean like inside the rim instead of out side where you can see it.

[NordieBoy]

so do you mean like inside the rim instead of out side where you can see it.

Washer and nut on the inside and nut on outside.

[dino3310]

cool, ta mate

[That looks like fun]

http://www.northwest.co.nz/
Check this Guy out, he has the import license for the Heidenau tyres. Sadly he is also a KTM dealer but as he is a nice guy I will forgive him.
He also runs a few Adventure rides.

[Racey Rider]

Thats actually me selling them on TM.

Done a deal with Northwest (my Sponsor) to sell a few to help with me Racing Fund.

Can do them for $235 if we don't go through TM.

Racey.

[Paladin]

Here's a pic of the new Mitas E10 for big adventure bikes:

http://www.trelleborgtyres.co.uk/category_Trail_1.htm

[Digitdion]

Thats actually me selling them on TM.

Done a deal with Northwest (my Sponsor) to sell a few to help with me Racing Fund.

Can do them for $235 if we don't go through TM.



Racey.

I am a bit of a noob in regard to tyre size for my bike. KTM 990. Should be 150 on the back but I am aware the 140 will do the job. Perhaps one of you boys or girls can clear up what difference it will make to the ride or handling of the bike.
Cheers for any feedback!

[NordieBoy]

I am a bit of a noob in regard to tyre size for my bike. KTM 990. Should be 150 on the back but I am aware the 140 will do the job. Perhaps one of you boys or girls can clear up what difference it will make to the ride or handling of the bike.
Cheers for any feedback!

What is the rim width?

If you use all of a 150 (no chicken strip) then you may find the 140 a bit skinny as it'll be a bit easier to get over to the edge.

I'm running a 120x80x17 Shinko E705 (stock is 120) and with around town use there's no chicken strip left.
Absolutely no complaints about the handling but next time it's going to be a 130.

[warewolf]

Here's a pic of the new Mitas E10 for big adventure bikes:

http://www.trelleborgtyres.co.uk/category_Trail_1.htmThat site only shows BMW sizes, 19" front & 17" rear. Doesn't bode well for the 21"/18" KTMs.

[warewolf]

KTM 990. Should be 150 on the back but I am aware the 140 will do the job. Perhaps one of you boys or girls can clear up what difference it will make to the ride or handling of the bike.The biggest thing will probably be the 150s are radials (if OEM spec) which likely handle better on road than a cross-ply (which most of the 140s are), particularly at high speed. Narrower tyres can handle better on dry gravel as they cut into the surface more; wider tyres tend to skitter over the top more.

The 640A is spec'ed with a 140/80 but the 640E is virtually the same bike spec'ed with a 130/80 (both cross-plys). My own experience of the smaller tyre backs up many internet comments that the bike turns better with the smaller tyre.

[Night Falcon]

Wider tires are better for sand, mud, hard clay and road....especially with a bit less air as there is more tire in contact with the surface. Its all about the grip!....plus they look cooler....which is always important!!

Just sayin :corn:

[XF650]

Warewolf is right again - be very careful with this tyre.
Mine came already fitted to a DR650 rear wheel, as part of the set I bought to set up the XF with a 21" front. So for recent trip south I thought I would give it a go, by simply swapping out the std XF wheel. The Kenda looked near new and is marketed as a 50/50 dual sport.
Anyway as a gravel tyre it's actually not too bad. And it tractored through mud quite well too, as long as both wheels were in the same rut!!

Straight line on dry seal it was acceptable but corner hard and bloody hell, if your not anticipating it, the tyre wants to "flop" over. This weird sensation seems to be caused by the side knobs being very soft and flexible, even at 35psi. On gravel there is a little bit of warning, when the tyre starts to "squirell". But on seal it seemed to happen more suddenly.
On wet seal everthing seems much worse.

So that's my experience with the K270. Better riders might enjoy it but I'm going back to a Mitas.

[bart]

Warewolf is right again - be very careful with this tyre.
Mine came already fitted to a DR650 rear wheel, as part of the set I bought to set up the XF with a 21" front. So for recent trip south I thought I would give it a go, by simply swapping out the std XF wheel. The Kenda looked near new and is marketed as a 50/50 dual sport.
Anyway as a gravel tyre it's actually not too bad. And it tractored through mud quite well too, as long as both wheels were in the same rut!!

Straight line on dry seal it was acceptable but corner hard and bloody hell, if your not anticipating it, the tyre wants to "flop" over. This weird sensation seems to be caused by the side knobs being very soft and flexible, even at 35psi. On gravel there is a little bit of warning, when the tyre starts to "squirell". But on seal it seemed to happen more suddenly.
On wet seal everthing seems much worse.

So that's my experience with the K270. Better riders might enjoy it but I'm going back to a Mitas.

I agree totally. These things are great on gravel, good in mud, shit on seal. They get worse as you wear the centre strip out, as you still have big knobs on the edges.:gob:

[umopom]

Have just ordered a D908RR out of the States - cost US$190 including freight which is better than the NZ$450 I have been quoted here. Will post some feedback once I have it fitted.
Cheers
JC


Just heard that the Dunlop D908RR is going to be available in NZ in May - don't have a price yet but they look good and the reviews are positive on most aspects.
Cheers
JC

[NordieBoy]

Straight line on dry seal it was acceptable but corner hard and bloody hell, if your not anticipating it, the tyre wants to "flop" over. This weird sensation seems to be caused by the side knobs being very soft and flexible, even at 35psi. On gravel there is a little bit of warning, when the tyre starts to "squirell". But on seal it seemed to happen more suddenly.
On wet seal everthing seems much worse.

Yep. The Shinko SR244 is very similar except for no "flop" and good on the seal.

[junkmanjoe]

I just put one of these on me 950.

let me know your thoughts on the tire plzz, what are you using on the front..
thanks

JMJ

[cooneyr]

Have just ordered a D908RR out of the States - cost US$190 including freight which is better than the NZ$450 I have been quoted here. Will post some feedback once I have it fitted.
Cheers
JC

Got a link to the place you brought it from. I'm very keen to try one on the 950.

Cheers R

[cooneyr]

let me know your thoughts on the tire plzz, what are you using on the front..
thanks

JMJ

D606 and D908RR is a popular combo in the states.

[umopom]

Hi Cooneyr
Have PM'd you.
Cheers
JC


Got a link to the place you brought it from. I'm very keen to try one on the 950.

Cheers R

[cooneyr]

Thanks for the PM JC. Can't PM you back though?

Cheers R

[Digitdion]

Have just ordered a D908RR out of the States - cost US$190 including freight which is better than the NZ$450 I have been quoted here. Will post some feedback once I have it fitted.
Cheers
JC

I would love to know where you got them from as well.
Cheers!

[dino3310]

been running AC10 michys front and back.... Scary on the road first of but know theyve got a few hundy on them there bloody awesome, there very aggressive so i definately dont push them on the tar but a major improvement off road, the front still looks new but the XR loves chewing rear tyres:Punk:

[Fluffy Cat]

been running AC10 michys front and back.... Scary on the road first of but know theyve got a few hundy on them there bloody awesome, there very aggressive so i definately dont push them on the tar but a major improvement off road, the front still looks new but the XR loves chewing rear tyres:Punk:

Yeah, I like the AC 10's to. Did chunk up a bit on the rear on the BRP. Rear did not last very long but they work really well on the 450 exc. The BRP is hard on tyres. The trails around Nelson are quite a hard rocky surface though. It might be a bit softer where you are and that would help.

[Underground]

be very careful with this tyre.


I had one of these a few years ago , biffed it when it was about half worn .
Drifting through the twisties on the seal 2up wasnt really what we required of a tyre.
Oh , and the bloody things last too long leaving you with the dilema of... stay safe and get rid of it ...or be a miser and extract all the life threatening $$s out of it.

[dino3310]

Yeah, I like the AC 10's to. Did chunk up a bit on the rear on the BRP. Rear did not last very long but they work really well on the 450 exc. The BRP is hard on tyres. The trails around Nelson are quite a hard rocky surface though. It might be a bit softer where you are and that would help.

i gave them a good work out today, absolutely magnificant in the gravel and clay the front stayed true and the back got chewed :lol:
But man they are f@cking scary on the wet seal

[_Shrek_]

What sizes are you running? 150 rear and 120 front?

Is the rear still "Q" rated?

110/80 19 front 59Q
150/70 17 rear 65 Q 34 & 36psi this is two up
these presures may change to 30 & 34 when on my own on metal
done aprrox 200k's on seal & 120 on metal great on seal found it sledged on front on metal but that may be coz of two up



Continuing the topic change - Hi Shrek - are you running Mitas on the GS with tubes E07 or E09 - sizing & experiences please - I need to replace the TKC80 rear on mine if I'm to take it to the MMMMM at the end of July - OK back to the Brass and Struan's attempts to herd cats :)

I was running both EO7 & EO9
EO7 is a good all round tyre in the wet & dry not flash on wet clay :laugh: I got 22748 k's out of my last EO7 80% of that would have been HW (went a bit square) as i was commuting from 12 to 15 hundred K's a week then there was riding for fun :rolleyes:

have been running an EO9 over summer as i was doing a fear bit of off road (no tracks) :Punk: swaping it now & then with a road tyre have got approx 7500k's 3/4 worn great off road & dry seal tends to let go in the wet

only real set back is that they only do a 140/70 17 for the rear & we run 150/70 front is slightly smaller to but the bike still handled ok

hope it helps

are you coming to the BM this year?

[Paladin]

Well I just ordered a set of Shinko 705's for the T/A today: 130/80/17 & 90/90/21. I commute every day into Welly so will be interesting to see how they wear on something heavier than Nordie Boy's DR650!

Will keep you posted!