Tyre choice for adventure riding? (Mixing road and off-road) [Archive] - Page 6

Horney1

25th June 2010, 23:00

Got a link to the place you brought it from. I'm very keen to try one on the 950.

Cheers R

I brought a 1/3 worn D908RR back from Aus with my 990 last year. I decided last week that I'd better put it on since the Scorp is crap on wet grass. I've clocked up near another 1000km on it and attached a few pics of before and after - it hasn't worn too badly, I think. I rode with a fair bit of gear strapped highish on the top plate & no saddle bags, so I wasn't pushing it. Day 1 - I took a late afternoon/ evening look at the first part of the MMMM ride (north to south) then carried on to the Desert Rd & put the bivvy up near some snow later in the night. Day 2 Ohakune/ Tamaranui/ BoP coast. Wet/near icy roads, fog, slick dirt. New Conti TCK80 on the front.

My first thoughts after initially riding with the D908RR were, oh, that's right, I feels like it's tucking under a bit when cornering - sort of like the start of putting it into a slide. A function of the 140/80 profile compared to the standard 150/70 ( I think that means the D9080RR is 1.2 cm taller and 1cm narrower)

It felt pretty good on the road. i.e. I had a bit of confidence in the wet with it (but only a bit, probably because of the high CoG ). On the wet dirt I had a couple of long quickish straight road slides in the night which I thought may end badly but I came through them OK (with the 'ol ticker ticking a little faster!). On the dry seal it's not a problem but it will obviously slide easier than the Scorpions.

It's obviously a bit noisier than the Scorpions but not dramatically. It felt a bit vague but that could have been a combination of the movement of the knobs and the carcass moving around with the extra weight and about ~33psi (I had ~35psi in the front, I think).

All in all I'd buy one again but I've got my fresh TKC80 for the MMMM ride and I'm very keen to find a cheaper tyre that performs well on the 990s !

Apologies for the pics: I've just had a shit of a time trying to figure out how to upload them now and I've ended up with some here that I don't want and couldn't upload some I did want :mad: . Not easy like other sites... Anyway, the ones with the tyre on the rim are after last week and the ones without the rim are prior to fitting the tyre ( = about 1000km use) .

Cheers

Phreaky Phil

27th June 2010, 19:29

I'm not sure if this has been covered and i'm not going to wade through 84 pages to look but has anyone had experience with the Karoo T 21" fronts. I used the tube type Karoo's fronts in Alaska and thought they were quite good and am looking at the karoo T tubeliss 21" for the GS. The pics show it as a totally different looking tyre though.

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27th June 2010, 19:59

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Padmei

27th June 2010, 21:57

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NordieBoy

28th June 2010, 11:10

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GPS MAN

14th July 2010, 18:49

I am running Dunlop 606's...but, they do wear fast, fast, fast...

Of course my KLR doesn't have enough power to rip the knobs off.:sick: they just wear off on pavement:angry:

cooneyr

14th July 2010, 19:21

I am running Dunlop 606's...but, they do wear fast, fast, fast...

Of course my KLR doesn't have enough power to rip the knobs off.:sick: they just wear off on pavement:angry:

Bump the pressure of them up to 30 PSI for extended highway or gravel km's. Can almost double the life of the tyre compared to 22psi. Not a big drop in grip on gravel rds. For dirt tracks you'd want to drop back to 18-20 psi.

Padmei

14th July 2010, 20:32

I am running Dunlop 606's...but, they do wear fast, fast, fast...

Of course my KLR doesn't have enough power to rip the knobs off.:sick: they just wear off on pavement:angry:

No but they'll wear out the front really fast with aggressie breaking with all that weight & front dive.

dino3310

21st July 2010, 11:11

just done 1500km on the AC10, its nearly done its dash:blink:

badblackbuell

1st August 2010, 10:48

Can't be arsed reading 85 pges, anyone using Avon Distanzias? Expensive but awesome for motards as the make the right profiles for 17" rims.

Fluffy Cat

1st August 2010, 12:25

just done 1500km on the AC10, its nearly done its dash:blink:

Haw, haw....Pigs like to eat AC10's....1500km's on the Pig is pretty good.

_Shrek_

1st August 2010, 17:51

heres the mitas Eo10 rear 150/70 x 17 Tubeless 214607just arrived at home Saturday, bit more off road orientated than i was expecting, I will wait till the front arrives before fitting them

Padmei

1st August 2010, 18:31

Racey Rider

1st August 2010, 19:27

Having Been made Redundant, I'm taking the opportunity to Launch a new Business.

RideLife
Motorcycle Stuff, for the Motorcycle Buff!

As a first special I'd like to offer KB'ers who use the 130/80 -17" Adventure tyres a $50 discount on a quality German Heidenau tyre. (Hi -den-ow) a 50/50 road dirt tread.

RRP $207.38
Ridelife price - August only - $157 + freight.
I hope some can take advantage of that. PM me if interested.

For other sizes please check one of my trademe (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Members/Listings.aspx?member=26076) accounts then contact me through KB for free freight
Cheers.
Racey.

130/80-17 only
One tyre only per KB'er
While stocks last. 17 in stock as of 1/8/10

_Shrek_

1st August 2010, 22:17

I likey:yes:
What kind of price & are they new to the market? For your GS I take it. Let us know what they're like as I may have to replace my 07 soonish & the 09 wore a bit too quick (great tyre tho)

aye for the Gs the bill didn't come with it so will let ya's know to morrow, I'm hoping the front arrives soon as I want to run them together

the price that Racey Rider is offering is a good buy as they are a good tyre pity it's only for the smaller size

thepom

1st August 2010, 23:55

[Hey racey,how do yours compare to the mitas?

Racey Rider

2nd August 2010, 07:24

All I can say is, Though internet reviews look on these favorably, - I have never used a Adventure tyre in my life.

Part of the process of building a business is getting your product out there, and getting feedback from those that use the items. This is partly what this offer is about.

Hopefully one day - You can tell me how it compares with the Mitas.

Thanks.
Racey

RideLife

_Shrek_

2nd August 2010, 07:57

Hopefully one day - You can tell me how it compares with the Mitas.

you don't get the same k's out of them (softer compound), but they hang on in the wet & on tar great on the metal

best i've got out of Eo 7's 23000, Eo 9's 9500 being gentle on them

the Heidenau 7500 but it was given a very hard time so would get more treated better

JATZ

2nd August 2010, 19:14

[Hey racey,how do yours compare to the mitas?

NZKTM had one on during the D.B. this year, I think he liked it, there is a comment on it buried here somewhere

dino3310

4th August 2010, 18:53

Hows this for $10, TW-30 215051
had a look at the others for sale http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Parts-for-sale/Tyres/auction-307873225.htm and there mint, shame they arent in 21" and 18"
pretty cool shop.:Punk:

Waihou Thumper

6th August 2010, 20:45

NordieBoy

6th August 2010, 22:09

Who is this Heide and why is she 'n Aus?

Waihou Thumper

6th August 2010, 23:37

Who is this Heide and why is she 'n Aus?

Ya know....related to Germanic etc...Aus, Ger, Swiss...:) funnily enough, they make tyres, bikes and Yodel! all of the above...:)

RideLife

7th August 2010, 10:14

Can you do a stock size for a KTM 625sxc....
90/90/21 and a 14/80/18?
Prices? Ta...:) I had them for the DR750, nice tyre, no issues......Made in a good part of the world too! :)

Have PM'ed you as I'm not allowed to discuss that here.

Nope - can't PM you ether as too new a member. will sort out a link or something.

Prices and availability Here (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/126876-New-business-launch-Ridelife)

clint640

10th August 2010, 12:59

Yep, with these babies you can carve up the local road race track, roost up the MX track, deal to those knarly adventure rides, & tour the world! All on one set of tyres! :yes:

http://a.imageshack.us/img217/9391/imgp4256.jpg

Trouble is, its a set of 8 :shit:

Bridgestone BT45 road/track day pair, Kenda K760 full dirt pair, Mitas E0-9 / Michelin T-63 knarly adventure pair & Mitas E0-7 / Dunlop D605 adventure touring pair. Rubber for every occasion!

Cheers
Clint

warewolf

10th August 2010, 20:49

Excellent! Now you just need a bike like in MI:2 that changes tyres between shots :yes:

BMCruiser

10th August 2010, 22:15

I've been contemplating what to fit to my F650GS to replace road tyres. My intended riding will be 40% seal, 40% gravel and 20% off-road.

Seeing your selection all together gives me a great comparison Clint. Thanks for that. I'm thinking my choice needs to be at the right hand end of your rack.

Any suggestions/recommendations welcome

brp

11th August 2010, 01:34

Top thread - cheerz all - big ups to motu and rogson on the first page for "The oil on tyres" :Punk:

Cruiser, Mitas E07's could suit - longevity - awesome grip on tar - shingle good - single track wet mud/grass poor (front tyre anyway but not designed for that purpose, could go E09)

http://www.lmsimports.co.nz/products.php?cat=2

clint640

11th August 2010, 08:51

Excellent! Now you just need a bike like in MI:2 that changes tyres between shots :yes:

The 640 does that already :yes: ...well if I've got 40min & its close to the shed :shifty: Another set of rims would be good but keeping in practice changing tyres aint a bad thing.

I've been contemplating what to fit to my F650GS to replace road tyres. My intended riding will be 40% seal, 40% gravel and 20% off-road.

Seeing your selection all together gives me a great comparison Clint. Thanks for that. I'm thinking my choice needs to be at the right hand end of your rack.

Any suggestions/recommendations welcome

The 19" front on the F650 cuts down the options a bit, I'd maybe try a Continental TKC80 front / Mitas EO-7 rear. If you're not doing too many miles a TKC80 would give some more dirt grip on the back too but the E0-7 will last heaps longer for much less $$$.
I used to use a TKC on the front, but the D605 is cheaper & seems to give very similar performance, I don't think they come in 19" tho.

Cheers
Clint

NordieBoy

11th August 2010, 09:13

Oscar

11th August 2010, 09:37

The 640 does that already :yes: ...well if I've got 40min & its close to the shed :shifty: Another set of rims would be good but keeping in practice changing tyres aint a bad thing.

I feckin' hate changing tyres.
A lifetime of playing as a goal keeper in football and a wicketkeeper in cricket has left me with a handful of broken fingers and thumbs and tyre changing is about the worst thing for aggravating 'em...

NordieBoy

11th August 2010, 09:57

I feckin' hate changing tyres.
A lifetime of playing as a goal keeper in football and a wicketkeeper in cricket has left me with a handful of broken fingers and thumbs and tyre changing is about the worst thing for aggravating 'em...

Tip: Use tyre levers.

Oscar

11th August 2010, 10:03

Tip: Use tyre levers.

Bastid.
Now I have to clean coffee off of my monitor...

NordieBoy

11th August 2010, 15:30

Bastid.
Now I have to clean coffee off of my monitor...

My job here is done.

_Shrek_

11th August 2010, 19:46

E0-7 will last heaps longer for much less $$$. front & rear

:niceone:

Have a go with Shinko 705's.

Deep off-road uphill shingle and wet clay are the only downsides I've found so far and they're really cheap.

:yes:

junkmanjoe

11th August 2010, 19:47

heres the mitas Eo10 rear 150/70 x 17 Tubeless 214607just arrived at home Saturday, bit more off road orientated than i was expecting, I will wait till the front arrives before fitting them

interesting..i was under the impression they where a tighter packed pattern, not much more rubber on there than the E-09..

lager sizes are due in next month..let us know how you find them..

JMJ

_Shrek_

11th August 2010, 19:51

interesting..i was under the impression they where a tighter packet pattern, not much more rubber on there than the E-09..

lager sizes are due in next month..let us know how you find them..

JMJ

aye so was I got a bit of a shock when it arrived, still waiting on the front as I want to run them together, & I still have no idea what they cost yet will let ya know, maybe they a free :rolleyes:

BMCruiser

11th August 2010, 22:03

Thanks for all the great feedback guys. No one has mentioned Pirelli MT60 as an option. Pirelli make good tyres, right ? Are the MT60's worth consideration ?

bart

11th August 2010, 22:18

Have a go with Shinko 705's.

Deep off-road uphill shingle and wet clay are the only downsides I've found so far and they're really cheap.

Hmmmm, I might give one of these a go for a summer tyre. Gotta be better than the Vee Rubber I used last summer. I take it they're cheap?

_Shrek_

13th August 2010, 20:47

Hmmmm, I might give one of these a go for a summer tyre. Gotta be better than the Vee Rubber I used last summer. I take it they're cheap?

put a set on the beamer for $300 that included cartage

dino3310

13th August 2010, 21:24

Thanks for all the great feedback guys. No one has mentioned Pirelli MT60 as an option. Pirelli make good tyres, right ? Are the MT60's worth consideration ?

yep great tyre, these guys could give you the deal of the century http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Parts-for-sale/Tyres/auction-309628974.htm

_Shrek_

18th August 2010, 18:37

heres the mitas Eo10 rear 150/70 x 17 Tubeless 214607just arrived at home Saturday, bit more off road orientated than i was expecting, I will wait till the front arrives before fitting them

got the bill $220 :thud: I thought they would be around the same $ as the Eo7 & still waiting for the front i guess thats inflation for ya

NordieBoy

18th August 2010, 20:11

Ouch!  

Woodman

18th August 2010, 20:32

got the bill $220 :thud: I thought they would be around the same $ as the Eo7 & still waiting for the front i guess thats inflation for ya

maybe you shoulda got them uninflated, then they may have been cheaper?:innocent:

_Shrek_

19th August 2010, 11:08

maybe you shoulda got them uninflated, then they may have been cheaper?:innocent:

:slap: now why didn't I think of that :laugh:

Padmei

19th August 2010, 19:35

junkmanjoe

19th August 2010, 20:11

Looking at a new front for the BMW. How have you guys with heavier bikes got on with 606s on the front? Does that extra 20 kgs or more make much difference? I know TKCs are popular but too expensive for this boy.
I like something with a bit of bite.

try the T63 ive got over 5,000km on mine and its still got good life in it.

JMJ

Padmei

19th August 2010, 20:37

try the T63 ive got over 5,000km on mine and its still got good life in it.

JMJ

Kenda? Good with gravel & slippery stuff?

Woodman

19th August 2010, 20:42

Kenda? Good with gravel & slippery stuff?

Not kenda. T63 is a michelin. Me and WW have them on our rears. The front t63 is not as knobbly as the rear.

How much heavier than Gonzo is Schmidt?

junkmanjoe

19th August 2010, 21:17

Kenda? Good with gravel & slippery stuff?

yes good on gravel and worked good on slippy stuff... great on the sealed road, its handled the heavy bike very well.

look at the mitas E-09 very good tires..

JMJ

JATZ

19th August 2010, 21:17

Woodman

19th August 2010, 21:28

I has a T63 rear too, the 350 has a 606 front which the p.o. was going to strip off and put on his beemer. glad he didn't though, it's a good tyre :niceone:
Was quoted $199 for a new T63 for the big today :gob: I might have to look for a new "favorite" tyre. :yes:

I got one from cyclereads last week for $182. Still dare tho.

In the last 12 months or so I have paid for t63's $100, $160 and $182 in that order.

dino3310

19th August 2010, 21:46

:gob: shite my last tyre was $10 :lol:, when this GST hits it will shoot up even more:angry:

NordieBoy

19th August 2010, 22:19

I love all the people on TM who get rid of tyres with plenty of tread left :D

warewolf

19th August 2010, 22:23

T63 fronts have shallow knobs, reported fine for tar/gravel but not so good for mud/sand where you need some penetration. :blink:

Just been reading in motorbikin coast to coast (http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=604513) that the Mitas E-09 front is not appreciated.

Heavy bikes? 20kg more? The KLR already IS 20kg more :rofl:

warewolf

19th August 2010, 22:31

I love all the people on TM who get rid of tyres with plenty of tread left :D:yes: The 17 I bought last xmas should keep me going for another year maybe two:sunny: but I will have to get some fresh ones for the worst of the racing :crybaby:. One new tyre will cost more than the 17 used ones :shutup:

wysper

20th August 2010, 09:33

yep great tyre, these guys could give you the deal of the century http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Parts-for-sale/Tyres/auction-309628974.htm

Whats the catch?
Are they really bad tyres or something?

NordieBoy

20th August 2010, 09:48

Whats the catch?
Are they really bad tyres or something?

Wrong sizes for the DR.

wysper

20th August 2010, 10:08

Wrong sizes for the DR.

mwuahahaha good point! I am starting to research what tyres to put on the DR when these ones go.
So much to consider!

_Shrek_

20th August 2010, 12:12

Looking at a new front for the BMW. How have you guys with heavier bikes got on with 606s on the front? Does that extra 20 kgs or more make much difference? I know TKCs are popular but too expensive for this boy.
I like something with a bit of bite.

the mitas Eo9 is a great tyre & good on the big beamer's as well $175 rear 9500k out of it front around $145/150 & still going

dino3310

20th August 2010, 15:32

Whats the catch?
Are they really bad tyres or something?

all good and above board, bike comes in with stock tyres farmer sez fuck that no good on the farm put a nobbly on cheers, and walla cant sell them as new stock cause they come of a bike. You gotta ask for your size sometimes they might have one

dino3310

20th August 2010, 15:33

mwuahahaha good point! I am starting to research what tyres to put on the DR when these ones go.
So much to consider!

i ran E-09s on my one:Punk:

Kwaky

26th August 2010, 08:57

Ok at the moment running some DOT nobblies on my bike which are great but since most of my riding is done on the road lookng for somthing that is a bit more road friendly but will also suit my purpose for going off road ocassionaly. Now I have a specfic place I go offroad and thats along the Karapoti Trail in the Akatarawas. So what I was wondering what tire would be best suited to handle the Akatarawas tracks whilst maybe giving me a bit more durability on the road. All suggestions welcome :yes:

Taz

26th August 2010, 09:39

dino3310

26th August 2010, 15:24

or E-07s unless the tracks have had heavy rain then the E-09 would be better, but you would get a longer road life out of the 07

NordieBoy

26th August 2010, 15:26

And if it's dry then Shinko 705's.

Padmei

27th August 2010, 16:38

or E-07s unless the tracks have had heavy rain then the E-09 would be better, but you would get a longer road life out of the 07

Agreed. When newish the 07s have as much grip as the chunkier 09's they last for a very long time. I have been running dunlop 606s on the front which are grippy & aggressive & give a long life & E07's on the back. This is a popular choice.

dino3310

27th August 2010, 18:13

like the Doctor sez: put something you trust on the front and a round black rubber thing on the back :lol:

BMCruiser

1st September 2010, 20:06

I've decided to buy a pair of Heidenau K60's for my F650GS Apparently they can be run with or without tubes. What are your thoughts about the pros and cons of going with tubes ?

Maybe less likely to puncture vs extra cost and weight ? Or is there more to it than that ?

My intention is adventure riding with a probable split of about 40% seal, 40% gravel and 20% off-road.

dino3310

1st September 2010, 20:38

NZKTM had them on the DRBIG he should be able to answer that one

Transalper

1st September 2010, 21:53

My 2000 F650GS had spoked wheels so needed tubes no matter what tyre I put on when I owned it.
My current ride has spoked rims too so same story.
Most the bigger BMWs spoked rims have the spokes outside the tyre area so use tubeless.

I understand that there can be a bead issue with mismatching tubeless and tubed tyres to their respective rims. I guess the bead won't be an issue with a universally fitting tyre as you say the tyre you're interested in is, but if you have spokes that go to the inside of the well area on the rim then you will probably still need to use tubes inside the tyre.

BMCruiser

1st September 2010, 22:25

Thanks Transalper, I hadn't thought about the spokes issue. It's pretty obvious really that a standard spoked wheel won't hold air without a tube. I should have realised that :o

My cruiser has external spokes so it can run tubeless but the GS has centre mounted spokes so I will need tubes.

RideLife

2nd September 2010, 09:17

What are your thoughts about the pros and cons of going with tubes ?
Maybe less likely to puncture vs extra cost and weight ? Or is there more to it than that ?

Thanks for trying the Heidenau's BMC.
I look forward to a open and honest review on them later in the year.

Just to give my thoughts on tube or tubeless. In my limited experience, I would think a tubed tyre is more likely to get puncture than tubeless. Any nail / screw that gets threw the tread, and penetrates the inner carcass of the tyre would then puncture the tube, allowing a loss of pressure out through the wire spoke joints.
But on the tubeless, that same nail would often seal itself against the rubber where it penetrates, allowing pressure to be retained, at least till you get home and notice it.

The other issue, (which doesn't affect you guys as much), is the heating up of the tyre on tarmac. Having a tube in would I think allow your tyre to heat up quicker, as the tube insulates the tyre somewhat from the air inside it. That air in the tube takes longer to heat as it's a slower process of transference from the tyre to the air in the tube. So in one lap of the race track (for those of us without tyre warmers.......
Ar, I've lost you there now haven't I ?!

Just my thoughts.
Others with experience can tell me if I'm wrong.

Racey.

Box'a'bits

2nd September 2010, 17:24

You're wrong :laugh:

If you are riding mostly on the road or good gravel then I agree with most of what you have written. But you are dealing with adventure bike here, not road race bikes. Most adventure bikes run spoked wheels which precludes tubeless (unless you run exotic tubliss systems, or have the BMW system).

Then there is a question of pressures. As soon as conditions deteriorate its great to be able to drop pressures, to get more grip. Tubeless tyres have limitations in terms of how much you can drop the pressures to. Tube type tyres can go much lower & allow you to option of running rim locks, to stop the tyre spinning. However as a balance, tube type tyres can have issues with pinch flats where they are running low pressures in (primarily) rocky terrain.

Tubeless tyres can be more problematic to repair in rough conditions. Usually those types of issues are because of cuts or slashes to the tyre. Those punctures cannot always be repaired with the plugs, and the tyres aen't so easy to remove.

Tube type rims are easier to replace or repair. Try repairing a tubeless BMW spoked wheel. Not many wheel builders will touch them..

RideLife

2nd September 2010, 17:43

Others with experience can tell me if I'm wrong.

... and why!

warewolf

2nd September 2010, 21:43

Most manufacturers recommended downgrading the speed rating by one when tubeless tyres are fitted with tubes. Said to be due to increased heat build-up from the tube rubbing against the inside of the tyre - tubeless tyres are often ridged internally, unlike tube-type tyres.

For field repair, a tube-type rim, tyre & tube wins hands down.

bart

3rd September 2010, 22:48

This would suck with a tubeless, eh BMWRSNUT

217657

By the way, did you make it the 500 odd km home without changing it?

Box'a'bits

3rd September 2010, 22:51

This would suck with a tubeless, eh BMWRSNUT
Yup, no way you'd be able to ride that from Matawai (above Gisborne) to Wellington without repairing that! :innocent::innocent: Peekaboo tube, I see you....:shutup:

Didn't go splat, that's got to be a good thing....:yes:

bart

3rd September 2010, 22:54

Bloody good effort. :yes:

warewolf

4th September 2010, 21:20

Peekaboo tube, I see you....:shutup:You were fcukin lucky. I had a similar split which pinched the tube as the tyre flexed. Happened within 150km.

Box'a'bits

5th September 2010, 20:49

You were fcukin lucky. I had a similar split which pinched the tube as the tyre flexed. Happened within 150km.
Heavy duty tube. Dropped the pressures a bit to reduce the stress on the tyre. Only seal on the way home. Was more worried about something poking in there. As it happens the split didn't get any larger, & the tube was good when I changed things in Wellington. We thought about putting a repair inside the tyre, but decided that might cause more issues.

warewolf

5th September 2010, 21:22

I put my spare std 21" tube in, with a few crossed layers of duct tape inside the tyre, and a few layers on the tube at the same spot. Made it the 30(?)km home but kept it gentle. This split was through the cords and they had a sharp edge to them. IIRC it was along the tyre on the shoulder, not across like yours, so probably a lot more open/close flexing.

dino3310

12th September 2010, 21:11

had the TW-30 in some wet dirt today for the first time..... man what a shitta:shit:
i got stuck manoeuvering around the car through the garden :shifty:to the shed, had to get the young fella for a push.... clogged up with dirt and it wouldnt throw it off.

218498

junkmanjoe

12th September 2010, 21:13

ohh shit aye mate.........:shutup:
should have got your son to take a pic of you stuck on your lawn....:yes:

JMJ

_Shrek_

12th September 2010, 22:23

This would suck with a tubeless, eh BMWRSNUT

217657

By the way, did you make it the 500 odd km home without changing it?

I split my front tyre on the dusty butt repaired it & it went flat because of the split so I put a bead boot in & a new tube it lasted till i fixed it some 500k's later
boots don't take up any room & are easy to fit

Taz

15th September 2010, 07:58

I split my front tyre on the dusty butt repaired it & it went flat because of the split so I put a bead boot in & a new tube it lasted till i fixed it some 500k's later
boots don't take up any room & are easy to fit

Whats a bead boot?

NordieBoy

15th September 2010, 13:25

Whats a bead boot?

The hippy version of the ugg boot.

_Shrek_

15th September 2010, 19:18

Whats a bead boot?

i'll take a pic & post it later

dino3310

15th September 2010, 19:41

The hippy version of the ugg boot.

i thought the ugg boot was the hippie version

NordieBoy

15th September 2010, 20:12

i thought the ugg boot was the hippie version

Only if they've got beads on them.

twisty

25th September 2010, 19:30

Just ordered this from http://www.lmsimports.co.nz/ for my GS800 rear. It cost 222 including freight. I've got a Karoo on it atm which I'm not overly impressed with so I'll be interested at how the Mitas works

Waihou Thumper

26th September 2010, 18:29

Is this a good substitute to use when touring ADV style to get yourself back on the road?
The product looks ok, I was wondering if you guys have used it?

Box'a'bits

26th September 2010, 18:43

Is this a good substitute to use when touring ADV style to get yourself back on the road?
Don't use that shit. :facepalm: It makes a blloody big mess & smells strongly of chlorine. If you haven't found out why your tube died, then even if it does work (which is not often) it'll puncture again. Carry a tube. I'm sure you know how to repair a tyre, if not you need to learn. MarkS found this out the hard way at the last KCAR.

Waihou Thumper

26th September 2010, 18:55

Don't use that shit. :facepalm: It makes a blloody big mess & smells strongly of chlorine. If you haven't found out why your tube died, then even if it does work (which is not often) it'll puncture again. Carry a tube. I'm sure you know how to repair a tyre, if not you need to learn. MarkS found this out the hard way at the last KCAR.

:shit: Thanks for the direct approach...:)
and answer...

Woodman

26th September 2010, 19:09

I have slime in my tyres, and yes it is messy.
Not sure whether it has saved me getting a puncture or not. It may well have blocked up a small leak. who knows? How do you tell?

pete376403

26th September 2010, 19:39

I used it to attempt to repair a small leak in a tube - stayed inflated for about 10 minutes . Then tried patching the tube but the patch only stayed on for a few hours before the slime got underneath it and lifted it off. New tube was required.

Slime might be ok for a tubeless tyre.

.chris

27th September 2010, 09:55

I can confirm, the Metzler Karoo 2's don't last very long if you use them on the tarmac.

This is before the NBA ride left, and after (about 1500km, about 60% tarmac).

RideLife

27th September 2010, 11:57

Yer's a brave man riding on wet roads on those!

Fall off in the dirt - Mates laugh at ya.
Fall of on the road - ???????

NordieBoy

27th September 2010, 16:23

Yer's a brave man riding on wet roads on those!

Fall off in the dirt - Mates laugh at ya.
Fall of on the road - ???????

Come to Nelson. We'll show you how it's done with bald tyres.

:shutup:

warewolf

27th September 2010, 19:03

Come to Nelson. We'll show you how it's done with bald tyres.Yea. I think my tyre was like that at the start of our little greasy jaunt last week, yet with the bikeuncorked it was grunting along off idle finding grip everywhere, even at 25psi!! Very nice.

Personally I don't find worn knobbies a problem on the seal in the wet, as long as they aren't worn square/flat with a sharp shoulder.

Slime... in my experience not worth the hassle. It only works on pin holes; lots of my punctures have been slits from either pinch flats or lately glass, or nails tearing the tube. It makes repair nearly impossible.

bart

27th September 2010, 20:27

I can confirm, the Metzler Karoo 2's don't last very long if you use them on the tarmac.

This is before the NBA ride left, and after (about 1500km, about 60% tarmac).

That looks pretty good for 1500km. I wish I could get wear like that. Looks half worn before you started, so 3000km a tyre....sounds pretty good to me. :yes:

.chris

29th September 2010, 14:04

That looks pretty good for 1500km. I wish I could get wear like that. Looks half worn before you started, so 3000km a tyre....sounds pretty good to me. :yes:

I am pretty easy on my tires, so I expect alot from them.

Now I need a new tires, tossing up between a MT 21 and a T63.
Probably go for the MT21 since it is a little more agressive. I understand they don't last that long, but I just need something decent for a few trail rides before xmas.
For the summer long trips I think I shall end up putting a MT90 on.

NordieBoy

29th September 2010, 14:46

MT21 for the front - :yes:
MT21 for the back - :sick:

As soon as the rear looses it's edge it turns to crap and might as well be bald.
The nubs (don't deserve the title "knobs") massage the ground which says "Oh yeah, that hits the spot. Just do that for a while".
I've had more traction on snotty uphills with the Shinko 705 than the MT21 (after having to get off and push with the MT21 I went back the next day with the 705 mounted and went up the same line on the hill).

Taz

29th September 2010, 14:55

Yer's a brave man riding on wet roads on those!

Fall off in the dirt - Mates laugh at ya.
Fall of on the road - ???????

You've never ridden with knobbies on the road have you? They aint that bad.

dino3310

29th September 2010, 14:56

I am pretty easy on my tires, so I expect alot from them.

Now I need a new tires, tossing up between a MT 21 and a T63.
Probably go for the MT21 since it is a little more agressive. I understand they don't last that long, but I just need something decent for a few trail rides before xmas.
For the summer long trips I think I shall end up putting a MT90 on.

AC10 cheaper and extremely agressive, its just an DOT rated MX tyre totally wicked off road but eeeeekkkkkk:shit: on the wet seal

Taz

29th September 2010, 14:58

My T63 wore very similar to your karoo. I'd recommend the mitas E09 personally. But I'm going to go for an E07.

cooneyr

29th September 2010, 15:12

I'd run a E09 over a MT21 for adv rides and a D606 over a T63 over a MT21 for mixed adv/trail. Problem is that the MT21 is the only one that acutally comes in the right size for a 690 (or 950) though the 690 could probably run a 130/80-18 (or equvalent) i.e. T63 or D606 or E09.

Of couse if you want full blooded trail/dual sport tyre the AC10 does come in the right size (120/90-18 is basically the same as 140/80-18 - I've got a AC10 and MT21 in the garrage) and is cheap as chips compared to any of the tyres above.

.chris

29th September 2010, 15:33

Thinking about it I have do have a MT 81 in the garage, but I fear that tire would last about a weekend trip, so I might have to put that on the day before the trail ride. I guess I can squeeze a few more weeks out of the Karoo.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_Gr4w3OEMfJs/TKKxoydoCDI/AAAAAAAAJJs/rYe0KmeMzpY/s800/IMG_7428.JPG

You guys have definitely scared me away from the MT 21.

NordieBoy

29th September 2010, 16:26

You guys have definitely scared me away from the MT 21.

My job here is done.

:woohoo:

warewolf

29th September 2010, 18:45

Now I need a new tires, tossing up between a MT 21 and a T63.
Probably go for the MT21 since it is a little more agressive. I understand they don't last that long, but I just need something decent for a few trail rides before xmas.Read a bit more. The MT21 rear is no more aggressive than the T63, but wears faster and loses its grip even sooner.

warewolf

29th September 2010, 18:45

AC10 cheaper and extremely agressive, its just an DOT rated MX tyre totally wicked off road but eeeeekkkkkk:shit: on the wet sealI was talking about the AC10 above! :shutup:

Night Falcon

29th September 2010, 20:20

so far I'm likin the TKC 80 rear....but it don't hold on too well on black shiney wet bits of road....but if you avoid those bits its fine! ...oh and its awsome on gravel!!

.chris

30th September 2010, 09:51

so far I'm likin the TKC 80 rear....but it don't hold on too well on black shiney wet bits of road....but if you avoid those bits its fine! ...oh and its awsome on gravel!!

I quite liked the TKC, but I am going for cheap this time.
I think I might just put a T63 on, they have them at the local shop and hopefully it will last me through summer.

_Shrek_

30th September 2010, 10:19

I quite liked the TKC, but I am going for cheap this time.
I think I might just put a T63 on, they have them at the local shop and hopefully it will last me through summer.

what about the mitias Eo-10 $220, still have not put it on yet as waiting for the front to arrive as I want to run as a pair

.chris

30th September 2010, 10:51

what about the mitias Eo-10 $220, still have not put it on yet as waiting for the front to arrive as I want to run as a pair

It kinda slips outside the cheap zone for me.

My local has these (Pirelli MT-70) for about $140. There is not much info on the net about them, but I think Clint ran some a few years back, Care to chime in Clint?
Looks like a pretty good cheap option when I need a less off-roady tire.
http://www.az-pneu.cz/pics/pneu/pirelli_mt_70.jpg

NordieBoy

30th September 2010, 11:31

Pirelli MT21 front and Mitas E-07 rear.

clint640

30th September 2010, 14:22

It kinda slips outside the cheap zone for me.

My local has these (Pirelli MT-70) for about $140. There is not much info on the net about them, but I think Clint ran some a few years back, Care to chime in Clint?
Looks like a pretty good cheap option when I need a less off-roady tire.
http://www.az-pneu.cz/pics/pneu/pirelli_mt_70.jpg

Yep I've used a set of those, then quite a few rears in combination with TKC80 fronts which worked well. The front is a bit roady for proper adv use but it stuck damn well on the tar & was acceptable on gravel if you didn't push it too much.
The rears stick really well on the tar too, & are great on the gravel when new, but they wear out pretty quick, well toasted by 4500km IIRC, 3 rears to a front :yes:

That's why I changed to the Mitas E0-7 as my fav all purpose rear, the E0-7's still have as much tread depth & bite on gravel at 6000km as the MT-70 did at 3000km. The harder compound of the E0-7 doesn't stick quite as well on the tar but it's not too bad considering they last twice as long.

$140 is pretty good, last I checked they were $170ish.

Cheers
Clint

NordieBoy

30th September 2010, 16:20

At the moment Shinko e-705's from www.bits4bikes.co.nz are $106.13 for a 21" front and $124.60 for a 130/17" rear.

Padmei

30th September 2010, 18:57

At the moment Shinko e-705's from www.bits4bikes.co.nz are $106.13 for a 21" front and $124.60 for a 130/17" rear.

I couldn't see any????

I'm really impressed the Dunlop 606 fronts - last a long time & no worries on the gravel or seal. The E07s are amn excellent tyre too - they are as grippy as the knobblier 09's when new to mid used however last a long long time. Not good for river crossings when worn tho:crybaby:

I don't really rate the MT21s - as they say they are good when new but crap when half worn - it would be good if you could return them for a trade in when they're half worn

NordieBoy

30th September 2010, 20:08

I couldn't see any????

Down the bottom of this one...
http://www.bits4bikes.co.nz/parts/kawasaki/2592.aspx

Taz

30th September 2010, 20:58

That bits4bikes site is really half arsed. It could have been so much better but alas....:facepalm:

dino3310

6th October 2010, 18:24

would a 110/100x18 be the same as a 120/90x18 ?

AC10 on speacial at CT
http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/products/243-michelin_off_road/1634-michelin_ac10.aspx

NordieBoy

6th October 2010, 19:43

would a 110/100x18 be the same as a 120/90x18 ?

AC10 on speacial at CT
http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/products/243-michelin_off_road/1634-michelin_ac10.aspx

Nope.

It'll be the same height but 1cm narrower.

dino3310

6th October 2010, 20:08

bugga....
and Thanks

warewolf

6th October 2010, 21:11

would a 110/100x18 be the same as a 120/90x18 ?See this post (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/31920-Tyre-choice-for-adventure-riding-(Mixing-road-and-off-road)?p=1129384427#post1129384427).

Taz

7th October 2010, 18:26

would a 110/100x18 be the same as a 120/90x18 ?

AC10 on speacial at CT
http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/products/243-michelin_off_road/1634-michelin_ac10.aspx

AC10 would disappear in 1000kms on your XR and a full on knobby is not really required for adventure use. I recommend the mitas E09 or E07. These will get you anywhere.

dino3310

7th October 2010, 19:08

See this post (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/31920-Tyre-choice-for-adventure-riding-(Mixing-road-and-off-road)?p=1129384427#post1129384427).

cheers Colin, i new i had seen it some where but couldnt find it....
and after reading it again im slowly getting it:blink: :laugh:

dino3310

7th October 2010, 19:26

AC10 would disappear in 1000kms on your XR and a full on knobby is not really required for adventure use. I recommend the mitas E09 or E07. These will get you anywhere.

ive got both and i use both and a T63, i even use M12s :whistle: the E09 is my Fav:yes:
but what ever cash i got at the time of needing to purchase is what determines what i buy... i use up the M12s close to home gravel and they all $1 auctions and i chuck the T63 or e-09 on for most bigger trips where theres gonna be seal and i use the AC10s for looking at 42nd/ fisher type rides as im friggen useless and they help keep me upright better than the others :laugh: at the moment ive got a $10 TW30 on for the wet winter roads and its been a lot less skiddish in the wet than the others.... recording all klms so will be interesting to see how they all stack up over the coming summer, i can see the 12s going under a 1000kms i managed 2500 from the AC10 so that wernt to bad concidering it did a few road klms (knobs on side hardly touched with total flat boldish in the middle) 4k out of the T63 so might keep that for the next longish trip it just over half worn.
just trying what ever to find what works for me on my tight arse budget.
oh buy the way i never will put crap on the front thats one tyre that i want to trust.:yes:

Taz

7th October 2010, 19:32

oh buy the way i never will put crap on the front thats one tyre that i want to trust.:yes:

Thought you were into adventure? :).

My T63 will be lucky to see 2500kms. E07 on next. Rode padmei's KLR down nelson thru some slippery mush and was inpressed how well the bald (in the middle) E07 held up. Had an E07 on the rear of the R1100GS and it just wouldn't wear out. Ran a 140/80x17 E09 on the 525 and that was the only tyre on the rear of that to get better than 2000kms. Mitas well get the best eh.

dino3310

7th October 2010, 19:35

Thought you were into adventure? :).

My T63 will be lucky to see 2500kms. E07 on next. Rode padmei's KLR down nelson thru some slippery mush and was inpressed how well the bald (in the middle) E07 held up. Had an E07 on the rear of the R1100GS and it just wouldn't wear out. Ran a 140/80x17 E09 on the 525 and that was the only tyre on the rear of that to get better than 2000kms. Mitas well get the best eh.

yep hard to beat the Mitas:yes:

NordieBoy

7th October 2010, 21:37

I've just pulled the rear Shinko 705 off the mighty DR.
I thought it had another 1000 km in it but after the Porika ride I see that the chip seal is actually wearing the wear indicators.

Apart from the wet clay on the Porika pylon track it hasn't given me any grief at all.

Once I've worn out this $10 E07 I think another 705 is going to go back on.
There's nicks and slices all over the carcass but small wonder knowing where it's been and what it's done.

The front is still mint.

$120 for 9,000km isn't bad.
The E07 goes about 30% further for about 30% more.

Be good to compare my old favorite with my new one :love:

Eddieb

17th October 2010, 08:11

Mefo tyres were mentioned earlier in this thread, does anyone know if they can be sourced in New Zealand?

yafeetup

21st October 2010, 05:15

Got a new MT 21 for the front $99 thought that was pretty good, was looking at a change but have found them to be a good all round front tyre. I get 2 rear tyres to 1 front. Need a 65/35 towards off road tried TKC [scary on wet seal], MT 21[wear square], Desert [overheat on seal],all had their good points but stuffed within 1800km any suggestions.

NordieBoy

21st October 2010, 06:42

Mitas E-07?

RideLife

21st October 2010, 10:25

10 characters

Taz

21st October 2010, 11:00

Sorry. Comment wasn't fair of me. Was in the process of editing it when you posted.
Andy.

dino3310

21st October 2010, 11:19

@Yafeetup

TW30s:woohoo:

Taz

21st October 2010, 11:36

@Yafeetup

TW30s:woohoo:

Can you elaborate?

Eddieb

21st October 2010, 12:31

Just had a TKC80 put on the back of the 950 this morning, I'm doing a durability test on it for my local dealer.

It'll get about 1200km's of seal this weekend to break it in.

KM's when the tyre went on 76547.

.chris

21st October 2010, 12:43

Just spent near on 2hrs changing over my front tire, got it done, managed to bugger the tube in the process, :facepalm:

Just took it to cycletreads so they can fix it. lesson learnt.

At least I know I can get the tire off if I needed when out on the road. But damn my hands are sore. :buggerd:

dino3310

21st October 2010, 12:54

Can you elaborate?

trailwing TW301 TW302 front and rear
http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/products/301-bridgestone_trail/1594-bridgestone_tw301302.aspx

wysper

21st October 2010, 17:10

Jesus, this is going to be a daunting task. Going to try and read this thread before asking my questions as they have almost certainly been answered already, and probably in more detail than I will understand LOL

wysper

21st October 2010, 17:40

Ok, I cheated, started about page 72 and skimmed a bit.

I am at the moment riding about 90% road. And a bit of a cheap arse.

Seems like the Shinko 705s might be a good bet?
When I am off seal, it is most likely to be easy stuff. Gravel roads, nOOb friendly stuff.

So what other tyre might be a good one for mainly commuting on seal and the odd easy weekend fang off seal?

Eddieb

21st October 2010, 17:42

So what other tyre might be a good one for mainly commuting on seal and the odd easy weekend fang off seal?

Mitas E-07?

Mitas E-07.

NordieBoy

21st October 2010, 19:34

thepom

21st October 2010, 19:44

The Mitas for me...

dino3310

21st October 2010, 19:58

Mitas E-07.

The Mitas for me...

X3 :yes:

NordieBoy

21st October 2010, 20:32

Only cause youze hasn't tried the Shinko :love:

The Mitas to me is a true 50/50 tyre.
The Shinko is 70/30 but does the off road quite well. I had a set on for the winter and it didn't stop me getting into the hills as the vids and pics show.

The Mitas will go about 30% further for about 30% more $$

My favorite 50/50 combo is an E07 rear and MT21 front.

.chris

21st October 2010, 20:42

My favorite 50/50 combo is an E07 rear and MT21 front.

Hopefully tomorrow AM, that is the exact combo I shall be running.
I just need these frikken couriers to sort this shite out and get my sent on tuesday overnight delivery e-07 to my house.

Taz

22nd October 2010, 06:42

Hopefully tomorrow AM, that is the exact combo I shall be running.
I just need these frikken couriers to sort this shite out and get my sent on tuesday overnight delivery e-07 to my house.

Hope they sent the right size :shutup:

.chris

22nd October 2010, 11:05

Hope they sent the right size :shutup:

Don't jinx me!

But for that to happen they would actually have to deliver the tyre, seems that is looking unlikely.

I would have thought 4 days to deliver an overnight package would be enough, but with fastway(*cough*) couriers, they need just a bit more time.

Bald Eagle

22nd October 2010, 11:07

Don't jinx me!

But for that to happen they would actually have to deliver the tyre, seems that is looking unlikely.

I would have thought 4 days to deliver an overnight package would be enough, but with fastway(*cough*) couriers, they need just a bit more time.

Like my new helmet which toured the Nth island for a week to get from Eltham to Kapiti :lol:

Taz

22nd October 2010, 14:32

.chris

22nd October 2010, 14:39

Is it there yet?

Yeah, arrived about 2pm.
Only 1.5 hrs after the lady said it would arrive on the phone this AM.
Only 3 hrs after the lady on the phone said it would arrive last night.
Only 3 days 5 hrs after it probably should have arrived.

Taz

22nd October 2010, 14:53

Yeah, arrived about 2pm.
Only 1.5 hrs after the lady said it would arrive on the phone this AM.
Only 3 hrs after the lady on the phone said it would arrive last night.
Only 3 days 5 hrs after it probably should have arrived.

Fitted it yet? What's taking so long? Need pics.

.chris

22nd October 2010, 15:05

Fitted it yet? What's taking so long? Need pics.

Sorry, did not realise you were waiting for pics.

Yep, fitted kinda.....
<table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/acL4wu5d91pSowY3nh7xI2mX7bEpvYCoUuR0ftQO0XA?feat=e mbedwebsite"><img src="http://lh3.ggpht.com/_Gr4w3OEMfJs/TMD-uhHkqtI/AAAAAAAAJMU/vkB1L5T5Hjw/s800/IMG_7539.JPG" height="800" width="533" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/c.p.whitehead/MitasE07?authkey=Gv1sRgCKz0neaUvPf31AE&feat=embedwebsite">Mitas E-07</a></td></tr></table>

Tread is a bit deeper than I expected, looks good to me.
More photos in the gallery link.

dino3310

22nd October 2010, 15:10

how much they sting you for that

Taz

22nd October 2010, 15:12

Clean up the garage bro :shit:
:lol:

.chris

22nd October 2010, 15:18

how much they sting you for that

$182 including delivery (I think).

Clean up the garage bro :shit:
:lol:

Yeah, that photo does make it look pretty messy (it is not quite as bad as it looks, but nearly). At least the carpet looks clean!

dino3310

22nd October 2010, 15:22

sweet mate, should get a better run outa that rear than the last couple

.chris

22nd October 2010, 15:58

sweet mate, should get a better run outa that rear than the last couple

I just put that MT80 (in the few photos above) on the rear for the moment, the E-07 will go one when that one is toast (probably next weekend).

Mt21 on the front (which seems real vibey so far, not sure if I like it because of that).

dino3310

22nd October 2010, 16:09

the MT21 should settle after a couple hundred klms

Taz

22nd October 2010, 16:12

Na the MT21 front is shit. Remove it and I'll take it off your hands for $40. :lol:

Edit: So the rush to get the tyre delivered was so it could sit on the shelf for a while :shifty:.

.chris

22nd October 2010, 16:45

the MT21 should settle after a couple hundred klms

Its a 2nd hand one off trademe, so already 2000km + into its life. Might be this way because it was slightly worn on one side of the knobs, and I have reversed so the wear will level out.

Na the MT21 front is shit. Remove it and I'll take it off your hands for $40. :lol:

I would consider that deal, being that would be a tidy profit from the price I paid on trademe for it. :innocent:

NordieBoy

22nd October 2010, 19:42

Might be this way because it was slightly worn on one side of the knobs, and I have reversed so the wear will level out.

Yep. They're a bit vibey when you reverse them until they bed in again.
I reverse them whenever the trailing edge gets noticeable.

Padmei

22nd October 2010, 20:36

Yep. They're a bit vibey when you reverse them until they bed in again.
I reverse them whenever the trailing edge gets noticeable.

And after you reverse them for the 2nd time -I get them:killingme

NordieBoy

22nd October 2010, 21:16

And after you reverse them for the 2nd time -I get them:killingme

And I get them back as racing slicks with side knobs.

dino3310

22nd October 2010, 21:38

heres a good buy, $30 of the normal price http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Parts-for-sale/Tyres/auction-325423091.htm

NordieBoy

23rd October 2010, 16:11

If only it was the 17" 130 section for that price.

warewolf

24th October 2010, 08:06

It was a 130 equivalent. Shame it wasn't a 140 18". :)

.chris

24th October 2010, 11:54

MT91 fitted and ready, predictions of how many km's I shall get out of this one?
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_Gr4w3OEMfJs/TMN1SQusG8I/AAAAAAAAJNg/6Es54-NgHrY/s800/IMG_7777.JPG
(and see the other half of my garage is not so messy)

By far the knobbliest tire I have fitted on the 690, should be good fun, farm tracks/beach here I come. Just hope it survives the tarmac getting there.

NordieBoy

24th October 2010, 12:45

It was a 130 equivalent. Shame it wasn't a 140 18". :)
That one is a 110/100x18.
The 130 equivalent in 17" is a 130/90x17.

According to the sidewall on the one on my GSX.

dino3310

24th October 2010, 15:17

just an update:
AC10 fronts got 4k on it and still looking under half worn:woohoo:, and its reverseable so i still got that option.
TW30 got 2500k and looking a little sad be gone by 3.5k

will prolly use another AC10 front after this one:yes:

nooles

24th October 2010, 21:13

Got the E-07 fitted last weekend to the KTM, now the bloody thing is another inch taller. The guy at LMS told me if I wear it out in under 3500km to bring it back, I thought sweet, he said no no I'll put a heavyier spring in that bloody throttle cable:facepalm:nice guy he owns a DR650.
Went up the street to AFC to get it fitted, he said if you want to take it off yourself it will save you money, I had it on his table in 2 mins.After fitting the tyre I said what do I owe you, he said na na your right I do it all day mate this ones a free bee:woohoo: I think I will start using them as my KTM dealer:yes:
I then ripped up SH1 to Waiouru across fields track down to Wanganui and home.Tyre hooks up bloody well on the gravel but I cant touch the ground now:violin:

NordieBoy

24th October 2010, 21:31

Hmmm...

The 640A has a 2.5" rear rim, yes?

What is the "proper" tyre width for a 2.5" rim?

NordieBoy

24th October 2010, 21:36

Tyre hooks up bloody well on the gravel but I cant touch the ground now:violin:

There were these 3 dwarf kings or Tarse's.

The Mountain Tarse, the River Tarse and the Shore Tarse...

:violin:

warewolf

24th October 2010, 21:48

The 640A has a 2.5" rear rim, yes?

What is the "proper" tyre width for a 2.5" rim?Hard to say... I've only seen charts for road bikes, and they are way different. The 640E specifies a 130/80, and the 640A a 140/80... both on the 2.5" rim (aka 110/100 and 120/100.)

My 200EXC has a 2.15" rim and 120/90 tyre (100/100) but I've seen 450s & bigger running 140/80s on 2.15" rims... ex-factory.

NordieBoy

24th October 2010, 21:51

Hard to say... I've only seen charts for road bikes, and they are way different. The 640E specifies a 130/80, and the 640A a 140/80... both on the 2.5" rim (aka 110/100 and 120/100.)

My 200EXC has a 2.15" rim and 120/90 tyre (100/100) but I've seen 450s & bigger running 140/80s on 2.15" rims... ex-factory.

Stock for the DR is 120 on a 2.5" rim.

nooles

24th October 2010, 22:27

Hmmm...

The 640A has a 2.5" rear rim, yes?

What is the "proper" tyre width for a 2.5" rim?
Yep it's a 2.5" rear rim with the 140/80/18 E-07, the 4.60x18 Sirac that I had on there was a teeny weeny tyre but I could lean that bitch right over, this 140 not so much.

dino3310

24th October 2010, 22:47

new shoes fitted sat morn..
rear 150-70-18
..

:gob: shite now every thing is wide on that bike rear end..

Groovy looking tyre but

cooneyr

25th October 2010, 06:01

I've got a 140 wide E07 on the back of the 950. Done about 6k and still about 1/2 tread. Gets a bit of a thrashing but not too bad. Just been for a play on some steep rocky tracks with a bit of mud and snow thrown it. Did bloody well. Good adv touring tyre.

blacksheep

25th October 2010, 19:40

w:sunny:here do you get mitas tyres from in nz?

Waihou Thumper

25th October 2010, 19:49

2.15 on the SXC and stock standard is a 140 (ex factory).....I am running a 120 at present...This will change very shortly.

Taz

25th October 2010, 20:31

I'm going for the 130/80x18 E07 for my 640A. Gotta work an overtime shift tomorrow to pay for it.

Taz

25th October 2010, 20:33

:sunny: where do you get mitas tyres from in nz?

LMS in Palmy north.

LMS Imports
713 Main Street
Palmerston North
New Zealand

junkmanjoe

25th October 2010, 20:37

you forgot this bit Taz...........http://www.lmsimports.co.nz/

JMJ

Taz

25th October 2010, 20:41

you forgot this bit Taz...........http://www.lmsimports.co.nz/

JMJ

Because the site isn't all that helpful and the guy is in Palmy Norf anyways :) Your boy not lighting fires down there is he JMJ?

junkmanjoe

25th October 2010, 20:53

Robin is the owner at LMS...know him well..

and yes naughty little boys down here did a fair bit of damage over the weekend...

took my new K60 's for a spin out the coast today,, happy with there handleing on the road and gravel...next test will be in the wet....

http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/64/146861664_full.jpg

JMJ

NordieBoy

25th October 2010, 21:25

where do you get mitas tyres from in nz?

CycleTreads will get them in from LMS too.

blacksheep

26th October 2010, 07:03

thanks for that,what $$ are they wanting for eo7's

nooles

26th October 2010, 08:31

thanks for that,what $$ are they wanting for eo7's

140/80/18 E-07 that I just put on the KTM was $170, just trying to figure out what to put on the front as we are coming into summer and the roads here in the Naki are hot as buggery.

bart

26th October 2010, 17:21

'Lawn mower services' (lmsimports) add in Kiwirider has the Mitas E-07 as

120/90-17 = $140
130/80-17 = $150
140/80-17 = $160

These prices used to be for E-08 and E-09 also, but must have changed. I might try an E-07 for the summer....and winter....or just for as long as it lasts.

dino3310

3rd November 2010, 20:56

:woohoo: another rear for the XRs from Hamilton

222716

pampa

3rd November 2010, 21:36

New Michelin AC10 for X, reasonable priced, pretty aggressive and dot approved

Size 120/90 18'

Some pics
Above AC10 below old T63
http://proyecto-magoo.com.ar/pablo/Pictures/2010.11.03-PhoneCamera-G650-ChainAndSprockets/IMG_20101103_171604.jpg-1024x768.jpg

On the rim
http://proyecto-magoo.com.ar/pablo/Pictures/2010.11.03-PhoneCamera-G650-ChainAndSprockets/IMG_20101103_183134.jpg-1024x768.jpg

dino3310

3rd November 2010, 22:08

There a good tyre pampa, got 2k out of the rear on the pig and 5k and climing with the front:woohoo:

Taz

4th November 2010, 06:13

That T63 is hardly worn.

dino3310

4th November 2010, 07:05

That T63 is hardly worn.

mmmm what size, it could be sent north:yes:

pampa

4th November 2010, 08:06

There a good tyre pampa, got 2k out of the rear on the pig and 5k and climing with the front
will see first time I try this one, I've tried Michelin Baja rear only, T63 both, AC10 front.

Sor far they tend to last a lot in poore shape but a lot nevertheless. The main knobs go pretty quickly to about 3-4mm in (around 3000K) and then takes quite a lot of time for the rest

That T63 is hardly worn.
yeah with about 10000k it still has between 1-2mm in the center nobs. The side ones in the other hand are still good that's the problem with lots of comuting

i'm planning to put it back once I do next ride

Woodman

4th November 2010, 17:39

yeah with about 10000k it still has between 1-2mm in the center nobs. The side ones in the other hand are still good that's the problem with lots of comuting

i'm planning to put it back once I do next ride

10000 ks... Faaaaarrrkk thats good. Thing about t63s is they grip pretty good right down to almost no knobs at all.

Taz

4th November 2010, 18:48

Mines less than 1mm above the carcass now and still working great. Less than 4000kms on it tho.

Waihou Thumper

4th November 2010, 18:57

That T63 is hardly worn.

Damn right, lots of life left in that....I will give ya $5.00 for it...Post it my way....:)
Bike shops charge and they pay $2.00 for disposal, itsa bargin!

pampa

4th November 2010, 19:14

Damn right, lots of life left in that....I will give ya $5.00 for it...Post it my way....:)
Bike shops charge and they pay $2.00 for disposal, itsa bargin!

LOL disposal ... i have few K left but not for next ride will be fine for commuting an odd karapoti though ... I'll keep it after to practice my skills :D weaving through tyres.

Also like to use the work tyre to practice rear locking turns ... as I'm trying to learn U turn, so far I almost got it doing to the left, but having more trouble to the right :facepalm:

I'm getting better at changing tyres I like AC10 don't have direction so less chance of putting them the wrong way

warewolf

4th November 2010, 19:53

Also like to use the work tyre to practice rear locking turns ... as I'm trying to learn U turn, so far I almost got it doing to the left, but having more trouble to the right :facepalm:Yep, normal behaviour for people who can't keep their feet up. :laugh: Left turn it's easy to keep right foot on brake and drop the left foot off the peg like an MX turn and/or to catch the unbalanced bike before you've actually stopped. Suddenly the other direction is a real problem because you can't both brake _and_ take your foot off the peg: you really do have to get it right, coming to a stop balanced with feet up. If it goes pear-shaped, putting your brake foot out mid-slide creates more problems than it solves, but is highly entertaining for everyone watching. :facepalm:

Useful skill to have - Greg Power teaches it.

pampa

4th November 2010, 20:03

Yep, normal behaviour for people who can't keep their feet up. :laugh: Left turn it's easy to keep right foot on brake and drop the left foot off the peg like an MX turn and/or to catch the unbalanced bike before you've actually stopped. Suddenly the other direction is a real problem because you can't both brake _and_ take your foot off the peg: you really do have to get it right, coming to a stop balanced with feet up. If it goes pear-shaped, putting your brake foot out mid-slide creates more problems than it solves, but is highly entertaining for everyone watching. :facepalm:

Useful skill to have - Greg Power teaches it.

Quite true, and back to tires its amazing how much it changes this trick. With the old T63 locking the rear was really easy but with AC10 its much harder. At slow speed that is. I also found that is easy to control the slide on hard packed gravel than in grass :facepalm:, and wet grass :shutup:

but we already guessed that didn't we

pampa

7th November 2010, 19:35

This is the AC10 after 850K and about 240 of them Off road.

http://proyecto-magoo.com.ar/pablo/Pictures/2010.11.07-PhoneCamera-WaiouruArmyRide/IMG_20101107_105254.jpg-1024x768.jpg

For those worried about my T63, this one has clearly lost the 'M' on the center knobs which clearly indicates that its time to replace :bye:

_Shrek_

15th November 2010, 21:43

well I just got 7057 k's out of my rear shinko 705 as it failed a WOF because it was delaminating, oldrider had them on his Tiger & it did the same thing & like his the fronts are ok, it seems that its just on the big bikes that this happens to
some pics for ya

_Shrek_

15th November 2010, 21:45

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NordieBoy

16th November 2010, 06:17

Only seems to be on the big bikes and only the bias ply tyres.
The radials seem to be much better.

JATZ

16th November 2010, 21:03

I use to run D606's on the DR650 and really liked them. They didn't last very long unless you keep the pressures high. The recomended pressures for the DR were 20/22ish and the 606 rear would only last about 2000kms at that pressure. At 30ish the rear would last about 5/6000kms.
Cheers R

I'm now gunna test these on the 750....
I got 2500 out of the K760 before it was bald in the middle, the outside knobs were getting down too. I had got used to it "wandering" while riding over Takaka hill, and it had become too easy to lock up up under engine breaking.
So far I'm happy with the 606 on a wee ride out to French Pass and cafe Underground (including his "alternative access" :yes: driveway) in the dry

cooneyr

17th November 2010, 20:52

I'm now gunna test these on the 750....
I got 2500 out of the K760 before it was bald in the middle, the outside knobs were getting down too. I had got used to it "wandering" while riding over Takaka hill, and it had become too easy to lock up up under engine breaking.
So far I'm happy with the 606 on a wee ride out to French Pass and cafe Underground (including his "alternative access" :yes: driveway) in the dry

You've probably got a few more torques than the 650 which the D606's may not like but I still reckon they are a good tyre while they last. I'd run them on a 650 or less but I'd never put them on a bigger bike (S10 or 950) cause it would mean $ goes :bye:

NordieBoy

18th November 2010, 07:01

You've probably got a few more torques than the 650 which the D606's may not like but I still reckon they are a good tyre while they last. I'd run them on a 650 or less but I'd never put them on a bigger bike (S10 or 950) cause it would mean $ goes :bye:

Fractionally more torque and loads more power, both higher in the rev range.
Up to about 5000rpm the 650 has more torque.

But when the power comes in, combined with the extra weight of the 750, that's where tyre life is going to suffer...

Wow. Just realized my '93 558cc Nordie has as much power as the Big :shit:
I may have to fix it up...

Monstaman

19th November 2010, 10:00

Trying the E07 rear and TKC 80 combo now on the DR, not much muddy shite in Central so the E07 should be sweet.

Taz

19th November 2010, 16:08

Got 3800km out of the T63. Got about a 1mm knob left in the centre.

Oscar

20th November 2010, 11:11

Got 3800km out of the T63. Got about a 1mm knob left in the centre.

Nice going.
The first one I tried, I got the pressures all wrong and barely made it 1,000km:facepalm:

Waihou Thumper

21st November 2010, 14:18

The Pirelli MT21 Rallycross tyres are a good deal at the moment. I know of four bikes heading south in Feb, they are all getting shode with the MT21 for the four week tour...
It will cost you approx $240 for a pair, good to use and abuse for the four weeks nand then put some road bias tyres on for the return trip to the North.
Tenere 660, 1 990 Adventure and 2 950 Adventures...
I am gonna give them a go, way way cheaper than the TKC, but I haven't priced Mitas E09's 130/80/17 and 90/90/21

Transalper

21st November 2010, 15:31

Waihou Thumper

21st November 2010, 15:40

Mitas E09s $170 rear and $128 front in christchurch at the moment. The dam things keep on creeping up and up and up in price.

Ouch, yes, they are getting pricey. TKC80 at the moment though $264.60 for the rear and $189.00 for the front. It does make the Pirelli MT21 Rallycross a good buy..:)
130/90/17 $140.04 and the 90/90/21 $94.25 plus freight of course...Way cheaper though.
Heidenaus are pricey too at present...

warewolf

21st November 2010, 16:40

TKC80 at the moment though $264.60 for the rear and $189.00 for the front. It does make the Pirelli MT21 Rallycross a good buy..:)Almost everything always is a good buy compared to the TKC80. My records show it as 40% dearer per km than the MT21 with no appreciable benefit for your extra money. T63 still the winner on grip & cost so far.

MT21 fronts have been $95 for years and years!

Waihou Thumper

21st November 2010, 16:46

Almost everything always is a good buy compared to the TKC80. My records show it as 40% dearer per km than the MT21 with no appreciable benefit for your extra money. T63 still the winner on grip & cost so far.

MT21 fronts have been $95 for years and years!

Thanks for that...
MICH T 130/80 S17 T63 $179.00
MICH T 90/90 S21 T63 $135.00

NordieBoy

21st November 2010, 18:27

Go on. Ask me what I think of MT21 rears :sick:
As soon as they loose their edge they're crap.

The front's are great.

Taz

21st November 2010, 18:46

The V rubber copy of the MT21 seems to last longer and costs less.

Waihou Thumper

21st November 2010, 18:47

Go on. Ask me what I think of MT21 rears :sick:
As soon as they loose their edge they're crap.

The front's are great.

Well, I didn't, but seeing you offered...:) Ta...I guess, maybe they are made with left over rubber from Thai Condoms then....:) Do they clean them first? :facepalm:
T63 might be the go then......

cooneyr

21st November 2010, 19:49

LC8's a MT21'a are not a good mix. I burned up about 50% of one in 1000kms on the 2009 DB pre run while trying to be reasonably nice. It was blatantly obvious it was disappearing at an alarming rate. To get 4 weeks out of one the LC8 has better be ridden like it is a 250. I reckon the E07 has a much grip on SI soils and lasts much much better. Get a new E10 rear if they are available in size for the KTM's now.

junkmanjoe

22nd November 2010, 20:06

140 - 80 - 18
90 -90 - 21

second hand duel adv tires.. ....anything considered...no rubbish plzzzz.
pop a pm if you have anything

JMJ

dino3310

22nd November 2010, 20:30

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Parts-for-sale/Tyres/auction-332537186.htm
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Parts-for-sale/Tyres/auction-332536148.htm

Padmei

22nd November 2010, 20:39

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Parts-for-sale/Tyres/auction-332537186.htm
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Parts-for-sale/Tyres/auction-332536148.htm

Aren't they known as the death wings? Apart from that they seem pretty good value - nowthat everyone will bid on them.

junkmanjoe

22nd November 2010, 20:49

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Parts-for-sale/Tyres/auction-332537186.htm
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Parts-for-sale/Tyres/auction-332536148.htm

cheers dino mate..they need to be ktm rated for abuse...:yes:
and there not for the 950....thats already got truck tires on it

JMJ

warewolf

22nd November 2010, 21:07

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Parts-for-sale/Tyres/auction-333006788.htm

1x road legal front, 1x road legal rear for big bikes in that lot.

JMJ I think the seller answered your question about the Michelin S12 rear (definitely not road legal) not the Michelin 21" front which appears to have dot markings.

junkmanjoe

23rd November 2010, 17:26

revived this news from Rob today from lms imports Palmerston north.

Hi Joe
Yes you will be pleased to know that Mitas have planned a production run of
150/70-18 E-07, E-08 and E-10 for 2011 in the mean time we have the E-09

Cheers Rob

dino3310

23rd November 2010, 21:20

cheers dino mate..they need to be ktm rated for abuse...:yes:
and there not for the 950....thats already got truck tires on it

JMJ

oh i thought for the little beasty:facepalm:

_Shrek_

24th November 2010, 21:35

.chris

25th November 2010, 21:35

cheers dino mate..they need to be ktm rated for abuse...:yes:
and there not for the 950....thats already got truck tires on it

JMJ

I have been snatching up a few trademe tires, got a
Pirelli MT81, Metzler 6 days enduro and a michelin all in 140/80 18.
and a couple of fronts a halfworn karoo, a new metz 6 days enduro, and some non dot vee rubber.
So keep an eye on trademe, they pop-up sometimes. And I won't be snatching any for a while. :innocent:

junkmanjoe

26th November 2010, 17:31

so thats where all the big tires are.....chris motx shop......... you do laybys mate....

JMJ

Padmei

29th November 2010, 17:19

Woodman

29th November 2010, 19:00

About to lay down some money on a set of T63's. I was gonna get another set of my favoutrite D606 front & E07 rear. Will I get as much mileage outa the Michies? I must have gotten close to 10K outa the E07 rear.

I reckon you will get about 6k out of a rear, and I would stick to a d606 front cos a t63 front is not as aggresive as the rear t63. Almost a different sort of tyre.
I have t63 rear and d606 front and its a bloody good combo.

junkmanjoe

30th November 2010, 21:32

About to lay down some money on a set of T63's. I was gonna get another set of my favoutrite D606 front & E07 rear. Will I get as much mileage outa the Michies? I must have gotten close to 10K outa the E07 rear.

you will find the T63 front will hum a lot on the sealed roads..quite noisy..
but a great tire other wise.

JMJ

_Shrek_

30th November 2010, 21:50

now have Eo10's front & rear went for a blast up the road :woohoo: better than expected & handle the seal pretty good too

as far as the shinko's are concerned for me they are "utter shit" front delaminated on the way home from magpie, was running 36 or 38 psi depending on load, hadn't even worn the tits off :angry:

NordieBoy

1st December 2010, 09:56

as far as the shinko's are concerned for me they are "utter shit" front delaminated on the way home from magpie, was running 36 or 38 psi depending on load, hadn't even worn the tits off :angry:

Cool. You should be able to get a free set of 705 radials from Whites.

9,000km from the 120/70-17 rear to bald.
10,000km on the front and it looks half? worn.
Anything from 18-28psi.

Taz

1st December 2010, 16:08

9,000km from the 120/70-17 rear to bald.
.

That's a really low profile for a DR. Sure you got the size right?

NordieBoy

1st December 2010, 19:54

That's a really low profile for a DR. Sure you got the size right?

Nope .

10bikekid

1st December 2010, 20:39

Pirelli Scorpions (if I want to go off road I ride a dirt bike with Michelin S12s and 100 less kilos of weight):shutup:

NordieBoy

1st December 2010, 20:42

if I want to go off road I ride a dirt bike with Michelin S12s and 100 less kilos of weight :shutup:

Cool. You've got a DR650 too :woohoo:

10bikekid

1st December 2010, 20:52

Cool. You've got a DR650 too :woohoo:

YZ290F :woohoo: Its a Big bore thumper :shutup:

NordieBoy

2nd December 2010, 07:27

YZ290F :woohoo: Its a Big bore thumper :shutup:

Well, a thumper anyway.

Little cute thumps but they still count.

Mountie

2nd December 2010, 10:58

Cool. You should be able to get a free set of 705 radials from Whites.

9,000km from the 120/70-17 rear to bald.
10,000km on the front and it looks half? worn.
Anything from 18-28psi.

8000ks out of my Shinko 705,s so far, another 1000 - 1500ks on the rear and plenty on the front. They have served me well and do the job offroad and they havent let go when scratching around on the seal. Wouldnt discount putting another set on for the price and size avalibilty. range 32 - 36 psi front. 30 - 40 psi rear.