Does this baby deserve parents like this?

[mstriumph]

I think it is about right that the baby got taken off the mother. She should have to prove that she is worthy of being a parent .............

personally i'd like to see a system where the public has to take parenting classes and pass a battery of tests before being permitted to breed IRRESPECTIVE of their social standing, asset base or familiarity with appropriate punctuation ................

also a system where all girls are routinely implanted with birth control devices before they reach puberty and actually have to take action to have a child [instead of having to take action NOT to have a child, as currently] .........

then again - what do you expect - i still think that Toothfairy LIVES!!

[ManDownUnder]

Sad sad story, and even the most optimistic of people surely couldnt see a bright future for said child.

That's possibly me you're talking about and yes - sadly I agree. Sometimes I wonder if it'd be better for everyone if baby simply "disappeared" into another family.

There's a few moral issues of course, but we're talking about someones ongoing welfare here... not to mention the burdens on society to be avoided in future years. Bubbz doesn't grow up all fucked up, and (birth) Mum and Dad get to know what happens if you're a total cock and have a baby.

aaaaa I must be feeling grumpy. Where's happy - or sleepy?

[Her_C4]

Bull, do you know if there is anything set up in the Mt Eden Women's section of the prison?

Mt Eden Womens as such no longer exists - it has been superceded by a new Sth Auckland Prison.

There have always been facilities been made available for babies to be with their mothers in the short term (well, for the last 20 years anyway...).

My experience however, is that in approximately 80% of cases, (a guess only) the motivation for having the baby with them (and indeed the timing of the pregnancy) is questionable.

I repeat. Babies do NOT belong in prison.

[SixPackBack]

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[BarBender]

Yeah, maybe Johnson & Johnson can use it to make Baby Oil.

What the fark Finn?

Considering the fact both parents are currently in jail, I doubt very much that they received good parenting themselves, so allowing the baby to stay within the family is only going to perpetuate the cycle. And I'm afraid I have to agree with Finn - some people should not be allowed to breed.

Beemer - You're gonna need to explain to me what good parenting is because I believe you dont need to have had bad parenting to be in prison...And writing off the immediate/extended family because of the above inference is a stereotypical view of those who 'think' they had good parenting.

[thehollowmen]

Olive oil is made from olives, whale oil is from whales, rice bran oil is made from rice bran...
Precedence dictates we should get baby oil from babies.

What the fark Finn?

[Lissa]

As a mother I couldnt think of anything more painful then losing your own baby, and would fully understand that she would need anti depressents to help her cope. What the mother HAS TO GET is drug rehabilitation, parenting courses or someone to help her with the day to day care of looking after the child, and a parent role model of some sort. This is for the Child and the Mothers benefit as well. Writing the mother off isnt going to help, she is still the childs mother, and for the benefit of the Childs Future she should get all the help she can. She needs to bond with the baby which only happens in the early months. No matter why she was in jail or for whatever reason, it doesnt mean she is going to be a bad mother.

[Finn]

What the fark Finn?

I've often wondered how many babies it takes to make a bottle of Baby Oil.

[Finn]

I know that Finn won't want to believe it but it's perfectly possible to be a totally shitty parent without being a lowlife, jailbird or welfare dependant .....

I believe it. There's stupid kiwi's everywhere and I know they weren't born that way.

[magicfairy]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3]So the young lady's crime was to sell pot ? for that she is imprisoned and her baby taken away from her.

Exactly my point. Offending at the lower end of the scale, if she were rich and had a fancy lawyer she probably wouldn't even be in prison. Give her a chance.

[Patrick]

Beemer your veiws sicken me.[/FONT]

Meh... get over yourself... this dealer was selling to kiddies... didn't care where the $$$ came from apparently... Beemer, your views encourage me.

[Patrick]

Exactly my point. Offending at the lower end of the scale, if she were rich and had a fancy lawyer she probably wouldn't even be in prison. Give her a chance.

Yeah, but it is all the other chances she has been given over time... the other court appearances, (her history for committing whatever and I bet you it is not just cannabis...) the other times she has been sprung, the fines, then community service, then PD and still she didn't learn, even after getting pregnant...

Her fault, no one elses... why should the baby be in prison anyway? What did it do to deserve doing time, since we all know how tough it is in there.... Pffftttt...?

[Beemer]

So the young lady's crime was to sell pot ? for that she is imprisoned and her baby taken away from her. What a sad society we live in when someone with an addiction no different to tobacco or alcohol is condemned as a criminal and institutionalized, her baby ripped from her arms. Both mother and child will undoubtedly develop large all-encompassing chips on the shoulders for life, and rightly so. Hate for authority will surely follow. If society really cared about drug addiction tobacco would be head of the list and treatment would be via a doctor and not the courts.
Beemer your veiws sicken me.

I make NO apology for my views on people who become involved in selling illegal drugs and if that sickens you, tough shit. This woman was not just smoking dope, she was SELLING it to others. She and her partner (assuming they are a couple, he may have just been the sperm donor) were both into drugs at the very least and this baby was obviously going to be brought up in a house where drugs and the sale of them was a part of life. I - and many others in this thread - do not believe that is acceptable.

You are right though, this mother will have a huge chip on her shoulder but I doubt it will come from being deprived of the baby she doesn't deserve to have in the first place. It will come from people like you who repeatedly tell her she isn't such a bad person and selling drugs isn't such a bad thing.

Thanks for the red rep. Sad to see that my having morals and a dislike for illegal drugs warrants that kind of response.

[Patrick]

Must spread more love.... yada yada...

[SixPackBack]

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