Does this baby deserve parents like this?

[Grahameeboy]

Can we say Alcohol, Tobacco, Drugs and most importantly HYPOCRISY all in the same sentence?

No but youz can.............

[Thomas]

Fark, someone doesn't like me! What a lovely PM from one of the posters (you can place bets on who it was) after I gave them some red rep for being an arsehole.

"I have never heard about you before and suspect your a cop or some other low life. Your opinion has no importance.
As to agreeing with people I beleive you started the ball rolling by accusing me of being a drug addict.
Now fuck off and die."

I'm really scared now, and I'm not even a cop!

[SixPackBack]

..........

[jrandom]

[limbimtimwim]

While I can suppose that she has done more than sell pot to end up in prison. Or she has been caught lots of times selling pot that she has ended prison. For whatever reason, she is not in the lowest security part of the prison, so something is amiss.

But what strikes me about this is the overriding thought: It's a fucked up society when pregnant woman are being sent to prison for weed. Now if she was in prison for convictions of being a violent twit face, then that is logical.

The usual way weed messes up society is all the shit that goes on around the drug dealing, not the drug itself. While I'll admit weed can do some people's heads in, the damage done to world by alcohol, abusive parents and religion far outweighs what weed ever did, or will ever do.

I fail to see how being a good parent and selling weed is mutually exclusive. However being a good parent and being in jail almost certainly is.

[limbimtimwim]

And I'm afraid I have to agree with Finn - some people should not be allowed to breed.

Wow. Are you serious? I mean, 100% serious?

No joke: Do you agree with what is going on in this photograph?



It's not a huge leap..

[jrandom]

Wow. Are you serious? I mean, 100% serious?

I think she is.

I realise that I triggered Godwin's Law a few posts back, but in Beemer's case, it's justified.

[candor]

It sounds like the cops had it in for the family - could hate him and have punished her (via charges) to teach them both a lesson for being who they are or knowing who they know.

Why the high classification for a petty pot peddler? Must be more than meets the eye. Either..... she's dodgy.... or has been marked for a bad time by someone in the system.

I don't trust what I read in papers. Or what the charge sheet says. Or what the cops necessarily say - or the crims. I know they all lie from experience Thi story is only a quarter told.

Still, many crims breed every time they are going to court for something imprisonable as a way to get judicial sympathy. Letting them keep the babies in nice flats inside with lots of support will only encourage that.

[Mr. Peanut]

It's an unfortunate situation, such is the nature of a chaotic world. I don't think there's always an answer.

To be honest, I don't think our government is qualified to look after new souls.

At least this child is receiving adequate attention, it's the unheard cases I worry about.

[Beemer]

Wow. Are you serious? I mean, 100% serious?

No joke: Do you agree with what is going on in this photograph?

It's not a huge leap..

Considering I come from a Jewish background I find that quite offensive. It is a huge leap to take my statements that I don't feel people should automatically have the right to breed if some of them spend most of their lives in prison and the kids end up suffering as supporting mass genocide.

Do YOU think that drug-addled criminals deserve to have children? Or to put it another way, do you think children deserve to have drug-addled, criminal parents?

[Beemer]

*Oh christ the baby is cryin'...wipe his chin!!*

Is that you in the video?

[jazbug5]

Considering I come from a Jewish background I find that quite offensive. It is a huge leap to take my statements that I don't feel people should automatically have the right to breed if some of them spend most of their lives in prison and the kids end up suffering as supporting mass genocide.

Do YOU think that drug-addled criminals deserve to have children? Or to put it another way, do you think children deserve to have drug-addled, criminal parents?

Hmmm. Tabloid thinking. Perhaps you would be taken more seriously if you showed a little more insight rather than tossing labels about like this..?

[Beemer]

Hmmm. Tabloid thinking. Perhaps you would be taken more seriously if you showed a little more insight rather than tossing labels about like this..?

Sorry? I don't exactly understand what you are on about here. Tabloid thinking? Are you implying that because I am a journalist I believe everything I read or toe a particular line? The parents in this instance are both in jail - ergo, they are criminals. The mother has admitted she has a drug problem and it obviously contributed to her imprisonment. What's ambiguous about those statements, and what other labels should I have applied to them? Caring, law-abiding good parents? Get real!

[jazbug5]

You language implies (i.e. 'drug addled criminals') that you prefer not to form your own opinions on a case-by-case basis. This type of mindset is one that bothers me, as it means that you may be prepared to accept the idea that it is fair and acceptable to break up families and demonise them because the government labels them as criminals. The Nazi Germany parallel is, in this instance, an apt one. People accepted the cartoonish scapegoating of Jews and others, and their subsequent annihilation.
It is our duty as human beings to examine the facts and not see others as subhumans automatically simply because we have been told they are 'criminals', immigrants' or whatever else has been deemed to be the big 'threat' this week.

[Beemer]

My opinions on illegal drugs are well known and I make no apology for my views on those who use illegal substances. As long as it is illegal to grow, use or sell cannabis, it will remain a criminal offence. Everyone knows that and yet people who involve themselves in those activities plead harassment when they get caught. I personally believe that removing children from these environments - and not allowing women to have their children with them in prison - is the right thing to do.

How the hell ANY of this relates to what Nazis did to the Jews is beyond me. It's often those who can't articulate their own views who fall back on history and draw comparisons that aren't relevant.

I didn't say these people were subhuman, I said that they didn't deserve to have children because of the way they are leading their lives. If they chose to take part in illegal activities and get caught, what sort of example does it give their children? I would feel the same way if she had been caught knocking over old ladies for their milk money, stealing goods from retail outlets or breaking into homes - all the types of things many petty criminals become involved with.

When I see people who struggle to have children and to care for them throughout their lives I get very pissed off with those who treat it as a right, not a privilege, and those who abuse that right.