Nosey people!

[mstriumph]

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The "I have a right to ride my noisy bike up and down the street past your house", clashes with the neighbour's right to a bit of piece and quiet. If the neighbour voices concern, then he is the "intolerant fuckwit"................

i freely admit to being an intolerant fuckwittess in those circumstances

come ride up and down my fenceline, fella, and we will debate the situation

"your right to swing your arm ends where my nose begins"

[Ixion]

Not quite .....

If it was as you misquoted me as saying, odds are you would not go to jail and be A$$ raped every night.

All the other stuff would be the same.

WoF is probably irrelevant in that scenario, rego certainly so. If it was a genuine accident, not exceeding speed limit, taking all proper care etc, and the poor bairn just hurled himself into the road, there is little reason to suppose it would end up with a gaol term WoF , rego or no. You might have an uncomfortable time explaining it to the police, mind you. And cop a lot of flak.

If it were shown that the bike had no brakes, and that a bike with proper effective brakes could have stopped in time, that's another matter. Ditto if the rider were grossly speeding (speed dangerous level, that's causing death by dangerous/careless/reckless etc)

But there is nothing I recall here that says the bucket wasn't roadworthy. That's another thing to no WoF. Nor anything to say the OP was speeding (though I wouldn't care to swear he wasn't , mind)

Never can understand why people get so holier than thou about rego. It's just a tax. Same sort of deal as a parking fee. Sure if you don't have a current rego, and you get pinged , pay the fine and don't complain. But there's no moral or ethical issue in it at all.

[Oscar]

cus they are losers once my neighbour had a go at me because as i was changing mufflers i gave my bike a blip on the thorttle....he comes over blah blah blah, even standard it's too noisy blah blah blah...left the can on for the day....next morning leave for work......bop bop bop bop....**no muffler at all** ** just a plate partly covering the zorst for some backpressure**....leave the streeet bwarrrrrrppp...19k rpm...everytime i would come home chop it down through the gears...at 18 or 19 thou rpm... get ot the bottom of my uphill drive rev the snot out of it to get it up....

did this for four days, then put the muffler back on....

never ever complained again since.

some people are just cunt's , he had a go once before, oh this used to be a nice neighbourhood, ive been here all my life hes been there 3 years...if you want peace and quiet go live on the moon, not in fucking suburbia....WANKERS

bloodey hippy has a solar panel on his roof too, and a mazda 2 bwahahahaha

Some people are cunts?
If you were my neighbour I'd kick your arse.
You're the sort of wanker that give bikes a bad rap.

[Grahameeboy]

Never can understand why people get so holier than thou about rego. It's just a tax. Same sort of deal as a parking fee. Sure if you don't have a current rego, and you get pinged , pay the fine and don't complain. But there's no moral or ethical issue in it at all.

Moral - It pays the ACC which helps people.
Ethical - Guess it is a legal requirement.

[Ixion]

Moral - It pays the ACC which helps people.
Ethical - Guess it is a legal requirement.

As to ACC - if Mr W takes his bucket out on Sunday to the bucket-place and races it round and round , and crashes, he is covered by ACC. Exact same deal as if he crashed riding it up the road. But, on Sunday noone is going to ask him to pay rego, no requirement to do so. Therefore by your argument, is he not equally immoral riding it on the track , on Sunday, withut a rego?

As to ethics, it is a legal requirement. The law has little relevance to ethics and vice versa. Justice has somewhat more, but law and justice walk down opposite sides of the street , only accasionally encountering each other, usually by accident.

[Big Dave]

It's not new. 40 years ago I used to get hassled by old farts for riding my mini bike.

Just do the biker thing and tell em to 'get ^&@%ed' and ride somewhere else.

[SwanTiger]

It's not new. 40 years ago I used to get hassled by old farts for riding my mini bike.

Just do the biker thing and tell em to 'get ^&@%ed' and ride somewhere else.

Beautifully put Dave.

[scumdog]

As to ACC - if Mr W takes his bucket out on Sunday to the bucket-place and races it round and round , and crashes, he is covered by ACC. Exact same deal as if he crashed riding it up the road. But, on Sunday noone is going to ask him to pay rego, no requirement to do so. Therefore by your argument, is he not equally immoral riding it on the track , on Sunday, withut a rego?

As to ethics, it is a legal requirement. The law has little relevance to ethics and vice versa. Justice has somewhat more, but law and justice walk down opposite sides of the street , only accasionally encountering each other, usually by accident.

No rego = $200
No WOF = $200
No lic plate = $200
No bike licence $400

where do you want me to stop?

[Ixion]

Not with you. He doesn't need any of that at the bucket place. Noone's disputing he's breaking the law riding it up the street. And if he gets caught by the cops, he must take the rap.

But none of that is a matter of morality or ethic . Assuming the vehicle is roadworthy, and he is a competant rider.

I've had wofs and regos expire on me many a time. With several vehicles its hard to keep up with the damn things. If I get caught with no wof/rego I'll pay the fine without a gripe. But I don't see any moral or ethical issue in it.

[Big Dave]

where do you want me to stop?

Stewart Island

[scumdog]

Stewart Island

Whew! Thank God for that - the poor bugger couldn't afford much more than that!!

[scumdog]

Not with you. He doesn't need any of that at the bucket place. Noone's disputing he's breaking the law riding it up the street. And if he gets caught by the cops, he must take the rap.

But none of that is a matter of morality or ethic . Assuming the vehicle is roadworthy, and he is a competant rider.

I've had wofs and regos expire on me many a time. With several vehicles its hard to keep up with the damn things. If I get caught with no wof/rego I'll pay the fine without a gripe. But I don't see any moral or ethical issue in it.

Morals and ethics?? nobody is arguing about those - but if the law says you need them? well best you have them.

And as far as 'roadworthy' goes - and 'competent' goes' ?
I guess a WOF and a motorbike licnece would help a bit eh???'

Still, I suppose y'all would feel I was a tad biased, given my job an' all...

[JimO]

No rego = $200
No WOF = $200
No lic plate = $200
No bike licence $400

where do you want me to stop?

im shure ixon will pay his fine for him seeing as he has had all his insurance premiums tucked away under the mattress for the last 50 years

[Grahameeboy]

As to ACC - if Mr W takes his bucket out on Sunday to the bucket-place and races it round and round , and crashes, he is covered by ACC. Exact same deal as if he crashed riding it up the road. But, on Sunday noone is going to ask him to pay rego, no requirement to do so. Therefore by your argument, is he not equally immoral riding it on the track , on Sunday, withut a rego?

Disagree because you are getting something for nothing when others obey the Law and pay REGO and you not paying means less money in coffers to help people............now you will argue the ACC has enough fund but not the point.

As to ethics, it is a legal requirement. The law has little relevance to ethics and vice versa. Justice has somewhat more, but law and justice walk down opposite sides of the street , only accasionally encountering each other, usually by accident.

Ethics (from the Ancient Greek ἠθικός ēthikos, the adjective of ἤθος ēthos "custom, habit"), a major branch of philosophy, is the study of values and customs of a person or group. It covers the analysis and employment of concepts such as right and wrong, good and evil, and responsibility. It is divided into three primary areas: meta-ethics (the study of the concept of ethics), normative ethics (the study of how to determine ethical values), and applied ethics (the study of the use of ethical values).

Doesn't the Law deal with right and wrong.......

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[Grahameeboy]

Not with you. He doesn't need any of that at the bucket place. Noone's disputing he's breaking the law riding it up the street. And if he gets caught by the cops, he must take the rap.

But none of that is a matter of morality or ethic . Assuming the vehicle is roadworthy, and he is a competant rider.

I've had wofs and regos expire on me many a time. With several vehicles its hard to keep up with the damn things. If I get caught with no wof/rego I'll pay the fine without a gripe. But I don't see any moral or ethical issue in it.

How do you know the vehicle is roadworthy..it does not have a WOF.

Competent rider riding a bike without a Rego, Wof??

Hey, I don't have a licence either but I am competent...........in my opinion.