You can't have your cake and eat it too

[Grahameeboy]

What, they give you more for being gay?

Sensible answers on a postcard please..............

[The_Dover]

What, they give you more for being gay?

so in essence he has his cock and eats it?

[Grahameeboy]

so in essence he has his cock and eats it?

Green bling for that Ben.......

[Skyryder]

Not a good tag for a pro procreativity bit. Won't work if you do it that way.

And I'll be unemployed.

[Ixion]

It is sad but you cannot just blame the Govt each time jobs are lost...it's a 2 way thing.

F&P get 80% of their revenue from overseas sales so things were in the balance anyway with only 20% of their sales revenue from NZ.

Of course you can blame the government. It's their job to look after this country not see our jobs go off shore. And how is it a two way thing?

And if F&P are not interested in being an NZ company anymore (and Woolf Fisher would turn in his grave at that notion, he was a decent bastard - for a boss), then tell them to piss off, and slap some trade restrictions on imports so a new , genuine NZ company can have a go. And by the way, those patents, they go to the new company.

What is needed is to have a deal where GST on NZ mae stuff is 6% and GST on imported stuff is 25%. Then we'd see jobs coming back.

[Big Dave]

What is needed is to have a deal where GST on NZ mae stuff is 6% and GST on imported stuff is 25%. Then we'd see jobs coming back.

ooooh - i like that - after 2 bottles of bubbly with the old cheese anyway.

[Ixion]

Oh. I left out the best bit.

Companies that aren't in the retail trade don't really care what the GST rate is - they just claim it back whatever it is. So, the deal is, GST input tax credits are always at the present 12.5% rate. Regardless of what the output rate is.

Should overall be roughy neutral for government revenue - less on some things, more on others.

Basic goods, food etc are weighted toward local manufacture , so it should be beneficial to the low paid, who spend a greater percentage of their income on basics.

And it encourages local business to find alternatives to imported goods. Without actually breaking them if they can't or won't.

And it's legal under international trade rules.

[Whynot]

Engineering's all staying here, just the metal bending and assembly that's gone to Thailand....NZ has the cheapest Engineers in the world apparently.

thats why most of them leave ....

[sAsLEX]

Oh. I left out the best bit.

Companies that aren't in the retail trade don't really care what the GST rate is - they just claim it back whatever it is. So, the deal is, GST input tax credits are always at the present 12.5% rate. Regardless of what the output rate is.

Should overall be roughy neutral for government revenue - less on some things, more on others.

Basic goods, food etc are weighted toward local manufacture , so it should be beneficial to the low paid, who spend a greater percentage of their income on basics.

And it encourages local business to find alternatives to imported goods. Without actually breaking them if they can't or won't.

And it's legal under international trade rules.

But what about things like Pickles that aren't produced in large volumes here? Then we as the consumer get stung not through lack of trying to support NZ business but because we are too small to produce everything!

[Ixion]

If they aren't produced here now it's because of lack of government support. As it happens, when I was young I worked in a large New Zealand pickle factory. We made every type of pickle there was. And in very large volumes, quite sufficent to supply the whole of New Zealand. I myself am a qualified pickler. There is no reason why any required pickle cannot be made in New Zealand in whatever quantity may be desired.

Rest assured. There will be no shortage of pickles.

[Big Dave]

But what about things like Pickles that aren't produced in large volumes here? Then we as the consumer get stung not through lack of trying to support NZ business but because we are too small to produce everything!

Pickles? What's with 'Pickles'?

[Ixion]

He means preserves and relishes. And chutneys. Though the latter are not strictly a pickle.

[Whynot]

what the hell?
i thought this thread was about washing machines

[sAsLEX]

Pickles? What's with 'Pickles'?

He means preserves and relishes. And chutneys. Though the latter are not strictly a pickle.

Actually I meant the kind of pickle you get in a Cheeseburger, Gherkin maybe?

[Ixion]

They're preserves. They should be gherkins, but in fact Mcds are cheap and what they use are actually immature cucumbers. A nasty practice that no true Pickler would stoop to. The sort of thing that Nichol's Pickles would have done. We can produce all the gherkins (and dills , and pickled onions, and cocktail ones, and bread-and-butter cucumbers etc) that your heart could desire