The firearm thread

**Mr Merde** · 24th April 2007, 22:20

Well it has been an interesting day.

A question posed to me by Wolf has been an interesting search

What is an A Bolt rifle.

I've been all over the place abd back and I am confused.

Can I tell you which is the better action? No.

What I can tell you or better still let Wikipaedia tell you is what an A bolt is

"
The A-Bolt rifle is a bolt-action rifle, it uses a non-rotating bolt sleeve. When the bolt is unlocked, smoothness is achieved with three guide ribs aligned with three locking lugs, enabling precise movement. These three locking lugs also largely increase bolt strength. The bolt's smoothness is also increased with a unique cartridge depressor, the cartridge depressor stays in place independent of the bolt's position. Near the end of the reloading cycle, when the bolt is re-inserted, the bolt moves gently over the cartridges in the magazine. The barrel is free-floating and the recoil lug is glass bedded.
The A-Bolt rifle uses a detachable box magazine. Magazine capacity depends on caliber and is as follows - Magnum, Winchester Short Magnum calibers: One in chamber, three in magazine. Standard calibers: One in chamber, four in magazine. .223 Remington: One in chamber, five in magazine."

They seem very popular and from what I have read they are very accurate.

Got me thinking about trying one.

Browning make them and a lot of dealers in the US carry them.

There seems to be a lot of custom rifle makers using this action.

Anyone out there tried one?

Please if you have then post your thoughts on this action.

Mr

**Mr Merde** · 29th April 2007, 21:45

OK,

I treated myself to the May/June copy of

"New Zealand Guns & Hunting"

As I dont get thismagazine too often I devour every page.

On page 87 is the Sporting Shooters Assn. (SSANZ) newsletter for May/June.

Very interesting read. I will quote the opening few paragraphs.

" ONE Law for all- a self defence tribunal is needed"

"The Police Complaints Authority has recently ruled that the shooting of a machete armed man,three times, was the only option, when officers were threatened while attempting to seize a radio following complaints of loud music at a North Shore address in 2004.

If thats the case, then surely the shooting in self defence of a machete armed robber at an Auckland gun shop (who was shot and disabled with just one shot rather than the three the police needed to achieve the same result) was even more justified.

Even if we ignore the vexing question of how it was that an untrained civilian was able to do with just one shot what a "trained" police officer needed three shots to achieve, there is no doubt this Police Complaints Authority finding makes the decision of police heirarchy to subsequently press firearms charges against the Auckland gun shop owner even more illogical. It will certainly help swell the numbers of those who believe that the police policy increasingly favours criminals, and that the gun shop charges are an abuse of the legal process."

It further continues further on

"... The regularity with which police do prosecute those who defend themselves, makes it clear that vthey believe the police have a greater right to self defence than the ordinary citizen, and that they do not care how much emotional trauma, family stress and unnecessary legal costs they impose on innocent victims of violent crime"

The article goes on to make a call for a tribunal dealing wih self defence cases for civilians and police alike.

I personally find it reprehensible that they are procecuting a man for doing exactly what one of their officers did. That officer was found in favour of and probably given councelling etc. A civillian does exactlly the same thing but better and they thow the book at him.

Hypocracy is too small a word for it. It just goes to show the duplicity we have in this country. One law for the powers and another law for us the plebicite.

I know this has been discussed at length on this site but reading this article just got me thinking. We havent heard anything of Greg for a while and the news agencies havent picked up on this at all or at least didnt think it worthy enough to mention.

Another inrode into our basic human rights is being flouted.

Mr

**The Pastor** · 30th April 2007, 10:46

I thought the reason he was taken to court was that the police want a law change (for or against self defence im not sure) and a good way to get a law change is some major case studys on previous cases. They might be wanting this case for evidence when a cop shoots an attacker in the same situation....

I very much doubt the police are out to "get" this guy, as he is, in the grand skeem of things, a small fish in a large pond.

I could be full of shit though.

**Midnight Special** · 8th May 2007, 22:57

one Sarangheti shotgon anshultz 22 target rifle anshultz 22 bunny gun and a Tekka 308 for the big stuff and a couple of old 22 s i was given . love target shooting and hunting !

**scumdog** · 8th May 2007, 23:01

Originally Posted by Midnight Special

one Sarangheti shotgon anshultz 22 target rifle anshultz 22 bunny gun and a Tekka 308 for the big stuff and a couple of old 22 s i was given . love target shooting and hunting !

Is your Tikka one of those early ones with a 4-shot removable mag?
Had a few hunting mates with them - they got 10 shot mags for them (there was a lot more hunting done back then - more animals too) and the mags stuck waaaay out!

**Midnight Special** · 9th May 2007, 14:05

4 shot mag havnt really had the need for a 10 shot great for wallaby and goat stops them quick not so great if you want the skin though havnt managed to get a deer heard them seen signs of them in the blue mountains but havnt had a shot at one yet . and i do shoot to eat ! wallaby great with baked beans boiled up on the camp site LOL goat is just like lamb as long as its a young one not an old stinky billy goat LOL. just added that before i get called a poor defencless animal killer !

**Mr Merde** · 10th May 2007, 09:28

I've been very quiet lately.

Moved house last weekend and still going through all the up heaval that goes with such a deed.

Took a couple of hours off last Sunday and walked the hills, with my .22 rifle. Spotted a wild peacock and followed that for about 1 hour. The walk was very pleasant although my calves and thighs complained a bit.

On the walk I spotted a flock of wild turkeys (about 10 of them). 1/2 an hour later I was within 30 meters of this flock.

Result of the walk is that I now have two turkeys hanging in my garage. Into the freezer tonight.

Never having hunted these animals before I never realised how nasty they are to each other. The first one I shot they all attacked when they realised it was injured. Took me two shots I am sorry to reprt and that bird suffered
the others in its flock beating the shit out of it.

Second bird dropped to the one shot into the head.

Bloody heavy things to carry. Had a 1/2 hour walk to get back to the house. My arms were knackered.

Last weekend I heard gunfire in the valley in the morning and the late evening, duh stupid me forgot that the duck season has started.

Anyway my little 2 acres has put me exactly where I wanted. In rhapsody.

Got to talk to the local farmer as there is a 30 ft cliff in one of his fields and about 100m away is a perfect firing platform by way of a rock outcropping. Need to get permission to use this for target practice.

Mr

**Swoop** · 10th May 2007, 11:41

That sounds like a nice little spot you have aquired Mr Merde!

Peahens are not good eating but the cocks feathers can be valuable. I guess you have learnt the lesson on carrying game!

**Mr Merde** · 10th May 2007, 11:54

Originally Posted by Swoop

That sounds like a nice little spot you have aquired Mr Merde!

Peahens are not good eating but the cocks feathers can be valuable. I guess you have learnt the lesson on carrying game!

Turkeys are good eating though.

Next time only one per hunt.

Havent seen the pheasants lately but they are there.

Tis a nice spot and I am hoping to make it a better one. If the farmer gives me the go ahead I will have a range of my own to use to improve my shooting and to test my reloads.

**Swoop** · 10th May 2007, 16:41

Originally Posted by Mr Merde

Tis a nice spot and I am hoping to make it a better one.

You should plant a crop of carrots... to attract the rabbits of course!

**Midnight Special** · 10th May 2007, 23:03

[QUOTE=Mr Merde;1049088]I've been very quiet lately.

Moved house last weekend and still going through all the up heaval that goes with such a deed.

Took a couple of hours off last Sunday and walked the hills, with my .22 rifle. Spotted a wild peacock and followed that for about 1 hour. The walk was very pleasant although my calves and thighs complained a bit.

On the walk I spotted a flock of wild turkeys (about 10 of them). 1/2 an hour later I was within 30 meters of this flock.

Result of the walk is that I now have two turkeys hanging in my garage. Into the freezer tonight.

Never having hunted these animals before I never realised how nasty they are to each other. The first one I shot they all attacked when they realised it was injured. Took me two shots I am sorry to reprt and that bird suffered
the others in its flock beating the shit out of it.

Second bird dropped to the one shot into the head.

Just wondering i was at Moa Creek hunting goats with the gun club and we came across some wild turkey but i was told we couldent shoot them they had to have their throats cut so we had to dive on them catch them and cut their throats is that because the meat taints if shot ? i dont know but they were bloody good eating after the pain of plucking them !!

**Swoop** · 11th May 2007, 13:35

Originally Posted by Midnight Special

i was told we couldent shoot them they had to have their throats cut so we had to dive on them catch them and cut their throats is that because the meat taints if shot ? i dont know but they were bloody good eating after the pain of plucking them !!

Easy way is to just spotlight the buggers at night. They like to sleep on the top of fenceposts, so just tap them on the shoulder to get the head upright and lop it off with a machete.

As the saying goes "Wake up. Time to die!". (Cannot remember the movie name for that line. Bladerunner?)
Or... "YOU! Get into my belly!!! Fat Bastard - Goldmember.

**beyond** · 18th May 2007, 18:56

Yeah, Turkeys like roosting on gates too and if you are lucky you can three heads with a machete. Turkey for your whole tribe plus they get to bleed out quick

Now, you guys who got wild Turkey. Have the ticks bitten hunks out of them, if so what do you do to pretty them up for the table without them looking like a magpies had a good session before you got to it?

They are horrible things to gut and pluck though