Spying? What spying?

[Hitcher]

So, would it be okay for a political party to do the same? "Labour tails John Key's family, friends, with team of investigators."

I am certain that all of the major political parties have "plants" in the other political parties. They are, after all, public membership organisations. There's the distinction.

How about a company putting a technician into another company's R&D department to send intelligence back on their gadgets?

Illegal, I'm sorry. Stealing intellectual property is theft.

During a time of war, spies are executed. How is spying in peacetime fundamentally different?

There's no death sentence? "Spying" should be a punishable offence.

Given that both National, Labour, and the Greens have all come out saying the spying on behalf of Solid Energy is inappropriate, do you think you are perhaps out of touch with things?

No. Election year is coming and some misguided political strategists think there may be votes from being seen to suck green dick.

How would YOU feel if someone reported on your conversations, perhaps a colleague who reported your opinions to the boss, or was collecting information for a corporate takeover...

We clarified this matter earlier. I am not a public organisation, nor has a Court been convinced that I am plotting illegal activities sufficient to grant the Police the authority necessary to tap my phone or bug my home.

It may not be illegal but it's sure as hell a shitty thing to do. It's immoral, not illegal.

I disagree about the "morality". It may be "moral" if the activist vandals had demonstrated morality themselves. They had repeatedly chosen to act outside the law and put at risk the health and welfare of Solid Energy employees and damage that company's property.

[Big Dave]

>>from being seen to suck green dick.<<

Shreck III gag.

[terbang]

Sometimes protest is the only way to provoke a debate that will/could ultimately invoke change. My Father didn't speak to me for nearly 10 years for protesting against the 81 Springbok tour. The rest is history. Whilst those that protest can be an annoyance to those that would rather just blindly follow the system or are apathetic to change, it does raise questions. As for the spying, well all is fair in love and war isn't it and as someone has allready said, it is when the behaviour (either side) goes outside the normal bounds of our society that we need to sit up and take notice. Job done...

[James Deuce]

Protest is fine. Damaging mine equipment that people operate is not. Protesting to make sure worker's pay stays relatively level with an economy is fine. Blowing up cleaners isn't.

No one is debating the right to protest. The fact that it is somehow OK for Green protestors to put other people's lives at risk seems to have escaped the media somewhat.

[Big Dave]

The fact that it is somehow OK for Green protestors to put other people's lives at risk seems to have escaped the media somewhat.

I advocate Black.

[Oakie]

I wonder what would happen if some low level office drone from Solid Energy fronted up to Greenpeace and said, "Hey guys, I support what you do and I'll let you know what Solid Energy's plans are". Do you think Greenpeace would say "Oh no no no, we couldn't accept that information. We find that totally immoral and unethical"? Right and wrong so often depends on your perspective.

Stuff 'em I say. If they want to play outside the bounds of normal protest then they can't moan to much if the subjects of their protest step outside the bounds of normal self defense (as long as it is legal).

[Dilligaf]

Glad I wasn't the only one who turned to hubby and said, "This is news....... why?"
YAWN another slow news day hm? And to make it worse, it was the lead item on the telly news.....

[The Stranger:Me]

Greenpeace annoys me, particularly by the way it canvasses for “members” but provides “members” with no means of contributing to that “organisation’s” agenda for action. One doesn’t “join” Greenpeace. One makes a donation. Big difference. Greenpeace just wants their money.

I expect accountability from organisations of which I am a member.

Are you still a member?
Used to be that once you were a member for 2yrs you could vote on setting agendas, if you bothered. Has this changed?

[Scouse]

Returning to Solid Energy, this company has been tormented for some time by a group of activist vandals, representative of nobody, that has been responsible for trespass, damage to property and threats to the health and wellbeing of Solid Energy employees. To the annoyance of this group, Solid Energy has set up CCTV and used private investigators to keep an eye on their activities. If they are as altruistic as they claim, why are these criminals afraid of their activities being subjected to scrutiny? What do they wish to keep hidden from public view? They demand high levels of accountability from the organisations they love to vilify yet collapse in a screaming heap if hard questions are asked of them.

Unlike the wailing environmentalists, Solid Energy has at all times operated within the law. One may disagree with the laws, but one should remind oneself that one lives in a democracy and can exert influence to change these, should one wish.

“Infiltration” of organisations hell-bent on mischief is and should remain a legitimate intelligence-gathering measure.

you foolish person they are only Alleged vandals that have been allegedly responsible for trespass, damage to property and threats to the health and wellbeing of Solid Energy employees.which means you can only call them Alleged criminals.

[Scouse]

Errr if I remember right wasn't it Greenpeace that put themselves in harms way when the French were vaporizing Muroroa Atol stuff all you hippy bashers as far as Im concerned Greenpeace were heros for taking on the frog wankers exploding nukes in our back yard.

[Lias]

This is the same lot that concreted themselves to the train tracks not so long ago yeah?

Personally I'd have paid the 5 grand (52*$100) to someone to break all their kneecaps or fingers.. Bit hard to stand around holding a protest sign on crutches with yer hands in a cast :-P

[Oakie]

Errr if I remember right wasn't it Greenpeace that put themselves in harms way when the French were vaporizing Muroroa Atol stuff all you hippy bashers as far as Im concerned Greenpeace were heros for taking on the frog wankers exploding nukes in our back yard.

I think a Royal NZ Navy frigate with a NZ MP (Fraser Coleman?) were out there protesting in the early 70s probably before Greenpeace was even heard of (although I stand to be corrected as I can't be bothered doing the research).

Now that's how you do it ... with a warship not a converted fishing boat!

Now hang on. (Oakie has flashback and scratches head) Perhaps Greenpeace were there at the same time as I seem to remember a boat called the 'Fri' (?) crewed by hippys being there too. Someone will enlighten me I'm sure.

[Hitcher]

This is the same lot that concreted themselves to the train tracks not so long ago yeah?

Personally I'd have paid the 5 grand (52*$100) to someone to break all their kneecaps or fingers.. Bit hard to stand around holding a protest sign on crutches with yer hands in a cast

I just love the way that losers like this assume that the train will stop...

[MisterD]

Solid Energy are a state-owned company, so as a shareholder I'd be calling for the resignation of the CEO if he had not taken such simple prudent steps to protect the company.

[Scouse]

I think a Royal NZ Navy frigate with a NZ MP (Fraser Coleman?) were out there protesting in the early 70s probably before Greenpeace was even heard of (although I stand to be corrected as I can't be bothered doing the research).

Now that's how you do it ... with a warship not a converted fishing boat!

Now hang on. (Oakie has flashback and scratches head) Perhaps Greenpeace were there at the same time as I seem to remember a boat called the 'Fri' (?) crewed by hippys being there too. Someone will enlighten me I'm sure.

The difference being that the frigate was well and truly out of harms way while Greenpeace were dogging the frog navy inside the hot zone