Death penalty

[jazbug5]

Trouble is, they aren't thinking like a rational person. They'll kill that kid anyway. Maybe even they will be more likely to kill, if they even think about the consequences to that degree: why leave a witness?

[Patrick]

Do you really believe that someone that fucks children will get over it by talking about it........therapy.........If you truely do then you need to climb out from under the rock and see a bit of life....but then again i guess you would take the therapy option.........

Agreed... check out the real world some time soon...

A "beyond doubt" capital offence - death penalty.
Circumstantial evidence only - life

beat me to it... degrees of punishment.

Who would say BURTON or the Prison Van arsewipes are innocent???? Why should they live??? What will they contribute to society??? What have they contributed to society??? End it now... save $$$ now...

yea .. cuz we ALL know that prison is a horrible place with the big Screen TV's . pool tables, health clubs and free medical.. NO one would want to go THERE........ fuck man .. where do i sign?

Housing a prisoner for a year costs how much?
endless therapy sessions that may or may not work and only serve as light entertainment for the convicted cost how much ?
life sentence means 18 years more or less..

you pays your money, you takes your chances .. Prisons should be a horrible place to go. not a nursery school or resort for the criminals.. daily abuse, gruel, sleep deprivation, slave labor and the only TV channel they should get is the fucking TRAVEL NETWORK

crime would drop 99% within days of this being enacted.. fuck human rights .. they took someone elses .. why should they have any?

Now there is a good post.....

comment all you like mate......no problem..........and i accept that everybody is entilted to theres blah blah..............but take a minute and think of someone wonderful,very old,very wise,and very very helpless.......then think of some piece of shit bashing her..........i cant for the life of me no matter how deep i search think of one possible redeeming feature that that person may have..........ive chuckled at some of the comments ive read in this thread.......in no way am i god but still the word niave springs to mind.........thats putting it politely.

Gotta spead the bling, blah blah...

[SARGE]

Maybe even they will be more likely to kill, if they even think about the consequences to that degree: why leave a witness?

you dont watch CSI do you? who needs an eyewitness when you have DNA evidence, Trace, Crime Scene Reconstruction and various other scientific methods of determining who where, why and how?

eyewitnesses, by there very nature, can and often are wrong or mistaken of blocking or whatever reason

science dont lie ( although sometimes the results are up for interpretation)

the survival instinct over-rides almost everything in ALL animals.. you may not be thinking rationally , BUT in the back of your mind you KNOW that in killing / raping etc ..is going to cost you your life and it WONT be a quick painless death

[Patrick]

Read the book and enlighten yourself about our justice system. It will 'open' your eyes, believe me.

Skyryder

cases you mention are not "clear cut, death to the infidel"... agreed... but Everything costs... Large amounts of Watsons $$ went toward that sonar unit. Millions are spent on unsolved murders and to suggest that someone will be fitted up is laughable... there would be no unsolved murders...

unlike some of the victims deaths im sure

the fear of death is not enough to dissuade some if thy know it will be quick and painless.. the threat of a horrible death however, should make someone think twice.

" i killed this child and have been sentenced to go to sleep with a lethal injection.. thats not so bad .."

however..

"I killed this child and i will now face having the sentence carried out in EXACTLY the same way i killed him with all the fear and pain i inflicted on that child..."

i'd think twice ..

whatever happened to " let the punishment fit the crime"?

You need to become the head honcho of corrections...!!! Could I have a top job???

[Ocean1]

You need to become the head honcho of corrections...!!! Could I have a top job???

While we're on the subject has anyone ever personally met a "corrected" individual?

I'm not talking about the drunk kid who got into a fight and upon "mature" reflection (and the realisation that nobody's impressed) decided it was a bad move. I'm talking about the percentage of career criminals who go straight and stay straight.

Anyone?

[FREE2B]

prisons should be places of punishment not luxury appartments and life sentences exactly that...for life. but heres another thought, in the worst of cases why not give them access to a DIY option ... when youve had enough heres your out just swallow this pill. it would get rid of a few and the innocently imprisoned would still be able to stay round to clear there names...

[Winston001]

While we're on the subject has anyone ever personally met a "corrected" individual?

I'm not talking about the drunk kid who got into a fight and upon "mature" reflection (and the realisation that nobody's impressed) decided it was a bad move. I'm talking about the percentage of career criminals who go straight and stay straight.

I've met a few. Generally they are people who get tired of being in trouble all of the time and decide to go straight. It is a process of maturity and doesn't happen to young offenders much.

The other point is usually they have met a decent woman who has settled them down, or a family member/older friend whom they respect has changed their way of thinking.

[Winston001]

All I can say to those that want the death penalty is to read Trial by Trickery.

If that doesn't change your mind then the only thing that will is to be convicted of a murder that you did not commit.

This book is about the Scott Watson case. I haven't read it but have just read a review. In summary, the reviewer says that the book raises some valid and disquieting questions. However he also notes that it is full of the authors opinions which are at times pesky and uninformed.

[Patrick]

While we're on the subject has anyone ever personally met a "corrected" individual?

I'm not talking about the drunk kid who got into a fight and upon "mature" reflection (and the realisation that nobody's impressed) decided it was a bad move. I'm talking about the percentage of career criminals who go straight and stay straight.

Anyone?

Yep, "meeting" them all the time... they get released and go straight... to the tinnie house, to the house to burgle, to the secluded carpark to steal, whatever...

Seriously, they do exist, but are an extremely rare breed. Most are considered low level crooks who come good.

[Patrick]

the book raises some valid and disquieting questions. However he also notes that it is full of the authors opinions which are at times pesky and uninformed.

Exactly....

It is NOT the bible, Skyrider.... or are you the author, touting for sales????

[007XX]

you dont watch CSI do you? who needs an eyewitness when you have DNA evidence, Trace, Crime Scene Reconstruction and various other scientific methods of determining who where, why and how?

eyewitnesses, by there very nature, can and often are wrong or mistaken of blocking or whatever reason

science dont lie ( although sometimes the results are up for interpretation)

the survival instinct over-rides almost everything in ALL animals.. you may not be thinking rationally , BUT in the back of your mind you KNOW that in killing / raping etc ..is going to cost you your life and it WONT be a quick painless death

Damnit!!! I got told I couldn't give you any bling....But I sooooo want to for this post Aaargh..frustration!

Anyway, I'm sorry folks if that doesn't agree with all. But anyone that was ever to touch my kid would die of the slowest, most painful death my little brain could come up with...

If you're sick enough to hurt a child, you don't deserve the oxygen you're breathing, full stop!

I come from a family of people who were in the business of the law and my unle was a psychiatrist...
All I can say is : rehabilitation my butt!

I don't know if anyone recalls a couple of years back, a preschool was held at gun point by some sickos in Russia (I think). Anyway, one of the little ones was photographed after just being freed and it made the cover of the Times...standing in his undies, with the most abject look of fear on his face, crying his eyes out...

This picture is still, to this day, fresh in my mind and makes me want to crush the bastard(s) who did this!

Sorry if I seem a bit aggressive...I'll go and hit a wall or something!

[Winter]

For.

It would certainly stop them getting out of jail 2/5/10 years later and re-offending.

Its cheaper than jail.

And to me, the thought of death by public beheading scares me alot more than the thought of going to an underfloor-heated-plasma-tv'd jail cell. I'd like to think it would be a deterrant.


People convicted of lesser crimes (not warranting death) should be forced to sit front row center as the guys head gets ripped off. That'd learn em.

[Patrick]

In case some don't realise... I'm for, in certain cases, where there is absolutely no doubts what so ever... none of that reasonable stuff, absolute! (Like BURTON and Van shit kicker.. for example...)

[oldrider]

How many of you out there are lawyers?

I ask because the common denominator in crime statistics over my lifetime seem to be directly associated with the influx of lawyers into our society.

The equivalent could be said of the growth and decline of rabbits and rabbit boards, church and sinners etc, one begets the other.

If there were no criminals why would we need lawyers and their super ego, judges!

Every time there is a major crime event, we are subjected to the same brace of opinionated lawyers spouting their nonsense on the TV!

They are always supporting the rights of the poor oppressed villain, never the rights of the genuinely "poor" bloody victim.

There is not much money to be made from victims, whereas criminals are a growth opportunity

We the taxpayers pay for them (lawyers) to hit the gravy train big time!

It's called "legal aid" these days.

Personally, I think lawyers are a blot on our community and have a lot to answer for. John.

[Paul in NZ]

Being (in the most basic terms) a 'christian' society we have to believe in redemption because it is fundemental to our belief system. The death penalty is thus abhorent to us and yet - evil people do exist and are rarely ever reformed... Is this the fault of the system or are some people just plain born BAD? Again, being born bad is not something most religions are comfortable with, we are created in gods image so how can you be born bad or evil?

Nature or nurture? What creates a criminal (no - not speeders or over parkers but seriously bad killers etc) and more importantly what should we do once these people are identified?

Having won WW2 and thus vilified Mr Hitler and co it does not sit well with us to stop the bastards breeding or profiling a group disposed towards antisocial behaviour so instead we fall to our fundementals and belief in redemption. of course we can reform them - we just have to try harder..... Perhaps....

Or perhaps, we are just civilising ourselves into the grave as a society, lacking the barbarians at the gate we have found a way to create them internally.

I believe self reliance, manners, courtesy, selflessness and self discipline are the cornerstones of harmonious society and I see no reason to excuse extreme behaviour. At times, some individuals go so far over the line of acceptable behaviour that there is simply no alternative but to remove them permanently from society - the law allows for this BUT as a society are we willing to take that penalty to its logical extreme - I suspect not. This is one time I disagree with society because it is my considered opinion that religion should not come into it - acts are committed that are beyond the pale and should be avenged.

I support the death penalty as long as we also have degrees of murder and a solid appeal system.