Fair call for a barrier but cheese grater?

[scumdog]

No, Stephen (no relation that I know of).



Indeed.



Agreed. Perhaps irrationaly I get the impression from the experiences of others that the injuries from an impact with a solid object are more repairable than the maiming and decapitation you will likely get from the wire ropes barriers. Also, if you head-on in to a car there's a chance you'll fly over it but you won't go over the wire rope barrier if you slide into it.

Soooo, after all the above discussion, how many NZ motorcyclists HAVE been kille/maimed by these 'cheese-grater' barrier??

As say opposed to those killed by cars crossing the centre of the road????

[NordieBoy]

Soooo, after all the above discussion, how many NZ motorcyclists HAVE been kille/maimed by these 'cheese-grater' barrier??

As say opposed to those killed by cars crossing the centre of the road????

Are there any stats on how many bikes have hit them at all?

[Hitcher]

Soooo, after all the above discussion, how many NZ motorcyclists HAVE been killed/maimed by these 'cheese-grater' barrier??

As say opposed to those killed by cars crossing the centre of the road????

Aww fuck. That's all we need. A voice of sense and reason to destroy our bigotted and inane ramblings. But that's not the point!

[jafar]

Soooo, after all the above discussion, how many NZ motorcyclists HAVE been kille/maimed by these 'cheese-grater' barrier??

As say opposed to those killed by cars crossing the centre of the road????

I don't know the stats or even if there are any but ..... there are far more cars comming @ you in a day than there are cheese graters to ride past , so the point is lost.
Just one rider being sliced up on these things would be one to many.

[Drum]

........so the point is lost...........

Or is it? You are talking about exposure to a head on versus a barrier strike and that is in fact the entire point.

[swbarnett]

I don't know the stats or even if there are any but ..... there are far more cars comming @ you in a day than there are cheese graters to ride past , so the point is lost.
Just one rider being sliced up on these things would be one to many.

And how many of those cars are coming at you on your side of the road? i.e. What, really IS the risk of a head-on anyway? Is it any higher than the risk of sliding into a cheese-grater?

[Pancakes]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

[jafar]

Or is it? You are talking about exposure to a head on versus a barrier strike and that is in fact the entire point.

The point is or @ least should be that these 'cheese grater' type barriers are hazardous to our health, a concrete barrier would be far preferable not only for motorcyclists but also for the general population.
As stated previously
1/ a truck can & will cross a cheese grater with comparative ease
2/ a motorcyclist is far more likely to lose limbs or worse when comming into contact with said cheese grater @ speed than he would be if there was a concrete barrier.

QUOTE=swbarnett;1116584]And how many of those cars are coming at you on your side of the road? i.e. What, really IS the risk of a head-on anyway? Is it any higher than the risk of sliding into a cheese-grater?[/QUOTE]

Dunno, but the risk of a head on is less with a barrier

[swbarnett]

Dunno, but the risk of a head on is less with a barrier

I suppose it comes down to whether the risk of an intimate moment with a barrier is less than the risk of a head-on without a barrier.

[Pancakes]

With cost seeming to be the deciding factor i don't think the option is rope or barrier I think it's rope or nothing, maybe at best rope or some barrier and you better hope the guy who's fallen asleep in the oncoming lane doesn't doze of in the gaps! I would like to just point out that a bazillion posts won't do jack but a lobby group in a country as small as NZ and with the rules that signatures for petions must be from residents not constituents of that actual council (etc) area getting some heft support isn't a major if you actually think your own time is worth it and you come up with a catchy enough line to hook people in.



Simon Barnett has a high public profile even after all these years and may be the "face" of this great new safety campaign if we play our cards right!

[jafar]

I suppose it comes down to whether the risk of an intimate moment with a barrier is less than the risk of a head-on without a barrier.

The way i see it the question is ; the risk of an intimate moment with a cheese grater or a concrete barrier. My preference would be to not have either , but if I had to have one or the other then I'd rather take my chances with the concrete barrier.
Head on smacks are a different debate

[Delphinus]

But if you're going to do a job... why don't you do it properly? Is there anything that can be done to make the bean counters think outside the cage?

[jafar]

But if you're going to do a job... why dont you do it propery? Is there anything that can be done to make the bean counters think outside the cage?

Strap them to a bike & launch them @ a cheese grater perhaps ?

[Pancakes]

But if you're going to do a job... why dont you do it propery?

The same crowd doing this job properly are sorting out "Kiwisaver", the Police, Immigration, Making sure kids don't get abused and ensuring quality free education etc, 'nuff said. Oh and making it illegal for the press to nark on them to their employer (us) when they do stupid crap at work. Sheesh!

Ay Delphinius, your a man with a porpoise, you and Simon could run the barriers campaign?

What really grates me is the use of the term "accident", You accidentally drop your coffee when you pick it up the same way you always have and while paying full attention the handle just drops off! Changing a CD or reading the paper/talking on your phone while driving and plowing into something cos your mind was somewhere else isn't an accident, it's C following A and B.

[Delphinus]

Ay Delphinius, your a man with a porpoise, you and Simon could run the barriers campaign?

Bloody oath... I'd do it if I had the time... Running a couple of businesses doesn't leave much of that though!