Hypothetical situation

[lankyman]

Yea not really enough info here to make a call. Everyone is saying "be a good mate, man up, and fess up to it", but if you were riding in a small group and one of you gets pulled over for speeding, he can't expect the rest of the dudes in the group to help him pay his ticket. If it's this sort of situation it's a case of "sad one buddy, you were the one that got pulled over"

[MSTRS:Me]

Yea not really enough info here to make a call. Everyone is saying "be a good mate, man up, and fess up to it", but if you were riding in a small group and one of you gets pulled over for speeding, he can't expect the rest of the dudes in the group to help him pay his ticket. If it's this sort of situation it's a case of "sad one buddy, you were the one that got pulled over"

In that situation, yes you are right. One takes the rap for all. But in this hypothetical case, one of the group was doing wheelies (maybe) and someone else was pulled for it. Not the same scenario at all.

[Kittyhawk]

When we are issued a licence we are ment to be responsible for the vehicle or bike we are in control of. If in a group situation and the cop nails the incorrect biker then he/she does have the right to plead not guilty. Why dosen't the person who is getting processed through the cop shop dob in the real offender?

If the innocent person who is getting done already have a criminal record of some sorts then whats another thing to add to the list. But if its a first time crime, then it could be different, it impacts on job applications etc. Think of the future.

Why would someone do such a thing and watch their mate go through this. Obviously cant be a real friend if he cant come forward.

Grow up and own up!

[smoky]

Because I wasn't talking about someone breaking the law, I was talking about allowing another person to take the wrap for them breaking the law.

We all break the law from time to time (debatable in some peoples mind), and get away with it.
but if the police make a mistake, it's the police who made the mistake, they can't just go around accusing people of shyt and charging/fining you willy nilly without evidence
The fight is with the police, not ya mate
If it was me being charged with something my mate did - I wouldn't have a go at them - I'd have a go at the police for getting it wrong

But its hard to discuss without all the details - which nobody seems willing to expose

[vgcspares]

Find a good lawyer and help your 'mate' get out of the charge. If that is not possible then you are going to have to do the right thing.

Four observations I would make tho'

• Not enough facts to make much more than an emotive 'look after your mates'
• If the Police pinged the wrong person there must be a way of introducing significant doubt into the case.
• Wriggling out of the charge does not mean a significant lesson has not been learnt. Cost and sleepless nights over the issue are in my experience worse than court assigned consequences.
• Have a frank and honest conversation with your mate, discuss the options.

wot he said - bang on the nail

[The Stranger:Me]

But its hard to discuss without all the details - which nobody seems willing to expose

Well of course no one can expose them - after all it is hypothetical isn't it.

That said, personally I think the discussion is very interesting.
There are only so many pemutations on this and most (yourself included) seem to have a good handle on those possibilities.

[Headbanger]

Why dosen't the person who is getting processed through the cop shop dob in the real offender?

Its the code.

Putting your mate into the cops is a shit thing to do, Even if they are the sort of piss weak wank who would let you take the blame for their crap.

It all depends on how big the stakes are.

[smoky]

It all depends on how big the stakes are.

I find anything over a one kilo stake is a struggle in one sitting

[Headbanger]

Its the wooden stakes I have trouble with, Give me heartburn.

[MSTRS:Me]

There's your problem, right there. You're removing the stake too soon...

[Burtha]

Did someone say steak?

[PrincessBandit]

If said mate was NOT doing dumb shit and happened to be snapped as an "innocent tag-on" to the others (including you) doing the dumb shit then that is very unfair and you should man up about it. However, if said mate was in on the dumb shit and giving it heaps and happened to be the unlucky one caught then he can hardly complain if he gets sprung in the middle of all this hypothetical shit. But that's just me, I never hang out with people who do these naughty things so I probably don't have much sympathy.

Bottom line - taking the fall for someone else when you were innocent = bad mates; taking the punishment for something you were doing = tuff titties.

[AD345]

Jeez

This is no brainer stuff


You put the cop straight RIGHT AT THE TIME.

The situation doesn't arise.

I'm just amazed that anyone could consider letting a mate take the fall for them

There's nothing to think about or weigh up or consider or reflect on.........

you don't drop mates in the shit

ever

[FROSTY:Me]

Actually AD you have a really REALLY good point. The person who got caught in all honesty should quite rightly have said at the time NO I DID NOT do a donut. -In that case the evidence is pretty clear all you need to do is touch the rear tyre.
Not shifting my opinion here but the actual accused could deny all charges--and quite rightly

[lankyman]

In that situation, yes you are right. One takes the rap for all. But in this hypothetical case, one of the group was doing wheelies (maybe) and someone else was pulled for it. Not the same scenario at all.

Yea, in that case you should let it got to court, and unless he (the cop)can prove which one of you it was there is fuck all he can do