Some more ideas on growing the Nationals

[johnsv650]

so what does mnz do with the income,
its $5000 to mnz for each round, well for levels and ruapuna, someone said industry sponsorship at around $60000 well that $85000 where did that money go ?
why do clubs pay mnz $5000 to hold a national round ?
ruapuna round made a small profit and levels made a loss......
maybe andrew might get riders a better return and even some industry prize money.

[Marknz]

I'd like to see a national championship that went:

Wanganui
Nelson street races
Teretonga
Levels
Ruapuna
Greymouth street races
Paeroa
Manfeild
Taupo
Hampton Downs
Pukekohe

With Two races at least at each.

Now thats a championship!!!

AND I'd like to see NZ follow World Superbike/World Supersport/World Superstock rules. Give us cool bikes that we can take international!!!

But all of the above is ABSOLUTE dreaming. Forbid making a championship worth racing!!!

Great in the grand scheme of things, but that's more rounds than the AU National Championship... and they have more bikes, more riders, more good tracks, and more buckets for the support/sponsorship dollars to come from. Doesn't mean to say it can't be done here, but...

[JayRacer37]

Great in the grand scheme of things, but that's more rounds than the AU National Championship... and they have more bikes, more riders, more good tracks, and more buckets for the support/sponsorship dollars to come from. Doesn't mean to say it can't be done here, but...

Yes it is absolutly a pipe dream but still...why not? Within that you could have a National champion (all rounds) a Track champion (all racing track rounds) a streets champion (all street rounds) and then North and South Island cup championships of all of the above.

[JayRacer37]

Tuffen up Au!! what are we a bunch of sun worshippers, I would like to think the NZ champion has skills capable of racing in a vareity of conditions, just like international racers do.

Haha, if you raced then you wouldn't get a variety of conditions, you would get a whole lot of rain and a bit of cold...we CAN ride in the rain, but why should we subject ourselves to nothing but by not racing over summer! And...you would use a whole bunch more wets, and there goes any saving on buying the expensive one use only racing wets!!!

Yes it is to small already, but I suggested it wont be one event as I earlier posted.

But you are saying it will be one event...if the club rounds count for points, you must do all of them, OR when you go to the big event you will be disadvantaged. OR, the one round counts for all the final results and then one mistake will cost all.

How about this as a refinement of your idea:

You do the first four/five/whatever rounds of the national championship, and then at the final round, at our premier track for NZ, nearest our biggest population base (yes I'm talking Hampton Downs) you have the last round of the nationals which counts for double or triple points to the championship, and you make that your BIG EVENT.

How many rounds are there currently 5?? so youre paying $10k a round now ???
Investment and Bike racing ??

Yeah, maybe I'm fortunate enough not to pay for everything but I spend aprox $50k to do a national season what with bike, tyres, travel, time off, repairs, parts, other consumable parts, teams time off, travel for them...god knows, you don't like to keep up but maybe more.
Its not 'investing' in motorbike racing, but i'm not (again, pipe dream maybe) racing in NZ to continue racing in NZ. I'm trying to build myself up to go overseas. And its less of an 'investment' to do one (important) round of racing here.

[cowpoos]

maybe.....I was thinking about it last night actually

retiring or Promoting??

[cowpoos]

We came up with the idea of holding a separate North and South cup within the nationals where your points at each island counted to a championship result. Sketchy is actually a good representitive of this - he couldn't do South island this year so finished 5th in F3. With a NI/SI cup his seasons results would be F3 5th, NI cup 1st, SI Cup not participated. This gives the club guys more of an incentive to show up at the national rounds for their island and try to get a result within that. It's also something that bridges the gap between localised club meets and the whole national series.

Jay

Yeah, drop the current format of the nationals round break it up into some rounds of the club events where they gain Points that will contribute and qualify them to go into the final also from this (as you suggest) gain your N.I and S.I Leading riders and throw them into one BIG SHOW for the final championship event so if I was a racer in the north island wanting to be the NZ champion my Nationals calendar would look like this

VMCC round 4 & 5 National Championship round
AMC Round 2 National Championship round
TRRS National Championship round
THE BIG SHOW

As well as any other racing I wanted to do.

that work ?

Well valid Ideas guys...but the nth sth cup thing will dumb the sport down...will cost more to get tv/media coverage that racers/sponsders are after...second...talent isn't spread evenly between the Island..so your proposals will lack balance and fairness...[eg: a rider that could come second in the nth Island champs, could be be capable of only coming 10th down south]
International riders won't be interested...and if they get special privilages to take a spot in a grand final...the guys that missed out by one or two points will cry foul...and rightly so too!!

Ps: Some of your Ideas are bloody brillent Quasi...keep sifting!!

[JayRacer37]

Well valid Ideas guys...but the nth sth cup thing will dumb the sport down...will cost more to get tv/media coverage that racers/sponsders are after...second...talent isn't spread evenly between the Island..so your proposals will lack balance and fairness...[eg: a rider that could come second in the nth Island champs, could be be capable of only coming 10th down south]
International riders won't be interested...and if they get special privilages to take a spot in a grand final...the guys that missed out by one or two points will cry foul...and rightly so too!!

Ps: Some of your Ideas are bloody brillent Quasi...keep sifting!!

Nah you have missed the whole gist Poo's. There is no 'grand final'. The nationals will run as normal, but taken from the points of the nationals will be a north island and a south island championship. You could win the whole series, and both north and south cups as a north islander.

[Quasievil]

Well this is evolving isnt it.

What I mean is MNZ or whoever, nominates certain club level races as National rounds, for example some VMCC events, some AMC events and the TRRS perhaps, NOT ALL ROUNDS just a few say maybe 4-5 this would offer Increased level of participation of Club events and offer lower costs for racers

This could be done in the NI and the SI offering a leading bunch of qualifiers to compete in the THE BIG SHOW

Who cares if a NI wins the SI championship or visa versa, its okay for a Ozzy to win the NZ Championship aint it

THEN

Have a big Final THE BIG SHOW

This would determine the NZ National Champion

Im thinking about 5 Actual meetings in total with one big one at the end.

working for yas ??

[Drew]

retiring or Promoting??

Perhaps he was thinking about putting his own rear wheel in from now on.

The revised format you guys (by that I mean Bret and Jay), is still gonna be lacking MONEY.
Dont get me wrong, I like the ideas a lot, but if any of this is gonna happen, it begins with the almighty dollar.

Not in the racers pocket, we'll most of us still be broke to do what we love if this all goes perfectly, and aint nothing perfect in this world. But instead in the events, the series, and the promotors pocket.

WHERE does it come from to get the ball rolling?

[Quasievil]

WHERE does it come from to get the ball rolling?

Your pocket bro, Unless you get yourself some sponsors like anyone else eh?
Sponsors will sponsor if there is a decent amount in it for them, hence the BIG SHOW idea, sponsors like promotion opportunities so give them one

[JayRacer37]

Have a big Final THE BIG SHOW

This would determine the NZ National Champion

Im thinking about 5 Actual meetings in total with one big one at the end.

working for yas ??

I hope its evolving

Problem I have with that is still ONE round to decide it all. If your only qualifying in the club rounds that means all points for the championship come out of the BIG EVENT. This means one mistake, or someone elses mistake knocking you down, ruins your 'nationals'.

[AndrewStroud]

I hope its evolving

Problem I have with that is still ONE round to decide it all. If your only qualifying in the club rounds that means all points for the championship come out of the BIG EVENT. This means one mistake, or someone elses mistake knocking you down, ruins your 'nationals'.

Lots of good thoughts and yea I can see some realistic potential evolving.
In aiming to see more riders, spectators, media and sponsors, do we look at creating something that attracts them, or do we look at going where they already are.? I see some merit in utilising a couple of club rounds to also be National events. Or better put, if the club would use a National round to also hold their first or last round of their of the club champs, then lots of club races would be more likely to race in that particular National event.
Car meetings already have the TV and spectators. I couldn't see them wanting to fit in more than one M/c class though. Or if 600's are happy to race with Superbikes then we ask Motorsport NZ if they could look to include us in two of their NZV8 meetings - 600 & S/B's in the same race.
There's two National high profile rounds done. Other classes ie F3, 125's, Sidecars, 150's could join two more club rounds as their National rounds.
- Another high profile round could be held at the Burt Munro. (Some riders would also choose to do the Wyndam Street races.)
- The NZGP meeting with double points for the GP races. (and double points for S.I. Cup competitors)
- The NZ TT (with double points) as THE BIG EVENT... bring in the circus.

[Shaun P]

yeah now thats starting to make sense

[Tony.OK]

How about using the 1st Tri Series as a Nat event at Manfeild? That seemed to go well last year with most of the Top boys using as a build up anyway. The added bonus is that it is also linked with Wanganui's boxing day races, and a pre prepared organising team with Leighton & co.

[The Chow]

Hi , this thread is great and has many ideas. Just goes to show that things can be worked through , keep it up and the future looks more promising. By the way guys kiwiracer.co.nz will be there what ever you decide and will provide updates (like we have had over the last few years) and FREE OF CHARGE to help out.

Cheers
Ian