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    Quote Originally Posted by scracha View Post
    Am I correct in thinking Telecom were forced by our own stupid government regulators into giving up GSM900 to Vodafone?
    No. Voda were forced to give up some of their 900 meg frequency to that other crowd that bribed the moari MPs into getting the law changed.

    Quote Originally Posted by scracha View Post
    Telecom chose 850 when most of the world's handsets use GSM900.
    GSM900 and Telecom's 850 meg WCDMA are not compatible, and therefore irrelevent. They're two completely different technologies. One is 2G (GSM). The other is 3G (WCDMA). Telecom isn't using 2G at all.

    Do you have ANY understanding of the technology AT ALL??

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    Quote Originally Posted by scracha View Post
    My point is that the gubbernment shoud have forced them to use shared frequencies and support roaming. ...(SNIP)...Am I correct in thinking Telecom were forced by our own stupid government regulators into giving up GSM900 to Vodafone?
    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Lobster View Post
    No. Voda were forced to give up some of their 900 meg frequency to that other crowd that bribed the moari MPs into getting the law changed.



    GSM900 and Telecom's 850 meg WCDMA are not compatible, and therefore irrelevent. They're two completely different technologies. One is 2G (GSM). The other is 3G (WCDMA). Telecom isn't using 2G at all.

    Do you have ANY understanding of the technology AT ALL??
    Word from one telco was that the 900 frequency is getting overloaded with traffic and the 850 is relatively free of traffic so can be more reliable and consistent for a long time to come. More telco's are using 850 now because of this issue.

    Vodafone is promoting an "enhanced" 3G service to compete with Telecom's WCDMA. While 4G is p and running, it is sort of going to miss the boat as more advanced technology is already well under development. WCDMA is ahead of 3G and is the first publicly available service of it's type. The technology is advancing rapidly and the next few years is going to see some real amazing stuff.

    I'll see if I can find the link I was on a while ago talking about the new stuff being tested right now.
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    lol i was the Networks manager for the 2/3G radio optimisation and performance teams when this shit got rolled out..

    word on teh street is some of u are talking waffle..


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    Quote Originally Posted by boomer View Post
    lol i was the Networks manager for the 2/3G radio optimisation and performance teams when this shit got rolled out..

    word on teh street is some of u are talking waffle..
    Nobody on KB should ever talk waffle...

    http://searchtelecom.techtarget.com/...14486,00.html#

    http://www.umtsworld.com/technology/wcdma.htm

    http://www.networkworld.com/news/200...-focus-4g.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Lobster View Post

    Do you have ANY understanding of the technology AT ALL??
    Yes Mr Lobster, I HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING of the technology....no need to shout. Not as much of an understanding as your esteemed good self but there you go. UMTS and GSM900 are pretty standard on european/asian handsets these days and my point wasn't really about protocols (Vodafone are switching to W-CDMA at 900Mhz anyhoo) but about the sharing of the bandwidth and infrastructure costs by having roaming agreements at 900Mhz and highlighting the fact that only a fraction of the world's handsets (I don't know of any to be honest) support W-CDMA at both 850 and 900Mhz.

    Now what was my original vodka fueld waffle about..oh yeah...we're still getting screwed out of too much money and the coverage is $hite.



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    Quote Originally Posted by scracha View Post
    My point is that the gubbernment shoud have forced them to use shared frequencies and support roaming

    Do you think ANY company would spend multiple millions on spectrum licencing then to be told how they're going to use it?

    Every Telco, is governed to allow roaming/piggy backing to a start up company, within certain guidelines. Otherwise .. if you're prepared to invest then its a licence to print money !


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    Quote Originally Posted by scracha View Post
    Vodafone are switching to W-CDMA at 900Mhz anyhoo
    No they aren't. They're rolling out 900Mhz in rural areas to run alongside the 2100Mhz network.

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    Fuck it...do you just want a fight?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edbear View Post
    WCDMA is ahead of 3G and...
    WCDMA is 3G...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterD View Post
    WCDMA is 3G...

    Sorry, you're quite correct. It's more that the difference is in the details.

    Both companies are trying to gain an edge in performance and Vodafone refers to its "enhanced 3G" sort of trying to move it towards 4G. Telecom's 3G - WCDMA has a couple of advantages in NZ being launched as XT. They will be using a combination of technology to enhance coverage and performance. The link shows that Telecom's CDMA 1XRTT with EVDO was referred to as 3G and the technicalities are complex.

    http://www.istart.co.nz/index/HM20/P.../EX245/AR28590
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    Quote Originally Posted by EdBear
    The technology is advancing rapidly and the next few years is going to see some real amazing stuff.
    What...like being able to actually make calls without getting cut off and receiving text messages the same day? OMG...we're so lucky.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Lobster View Post
    Are you english???
    That's fightin talk.

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    lol i was the Networks manager for the 2/3G radio optimisation and performance teams when this shit got rolled out..
    Fuckin burn him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scracha View Post
    What...like being able to actually make calls without getting cut off and receiving text messages the same day? OMG...we're so lucky.....
    We live in hope, mate...
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    Quote Originally Posted by scracha View Post
    What...like being able to actually make calls without getting cut off and receiving text messages the same day? OMG...we're so lucky.
    Never had that on telecom sounds like someone is paying to much for there poor service
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slicksta View Post
    Never had that on telecom sounds like someone is paying to much for there poor service
    What choice do I have?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scracha View Post
    What choice do I have?
    In your area I'd check out Telstra Clear which uses Telecom's mobile service. The main differences are in the plans but I think CDMA coverage is much better down your way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edbear View Post
    Sorry, you're quite correct. It's more that the difference is in the details.

    Both companies are trying to gain an edge in performance and Vodafone refers to its "enhanced 3G" sort of trying to move it towards 4G. Telecom's 3G - WCDMA has a couple of advantages in NZ being launched as XT. They will be using a combination of technology to enhance coverage and performance. The link shows that Telecom's CDMA 1XRTT with EVDO was referred to as 3G and the technicalities are complex.

    http://www.istart.co.nz/index/HM20/P.../EX245/AR28590
    OMG

    let me get this straight if I get a Telecom phone , its called 3g but it 2.5 g ( we had that here 5 years ago ? i forget , i still have the phone i think , the kids play with it )

    So i get a chicken , but according to the marketing , I am not interested in buying a chicken , but on the services the chicken provides , ie enhanced egg laying and as a protein rich diet is good for you I will call it the The total body care plan

    surely the commerce commision has something to say about this ,,,

    I got a chicken under me arm that going to cure me beer belly.... ( all for 599 ,@ dick smith )

    Oh i fogot NZ has some unique network situation so we have to buy a Job lot of old phones from Nextel sprint .. ( how bout dont have the buying power and nextel sprint , ,,,,surely they could have gone a little up market ,

    Nope , unlimited 3g ( as in 3g ) for an all inclusive low price of 100 dollars a month , at 2Mbps ...true speed

    How does the iphone cope , I have one ,( free give a way , and a slight increase per month traffic charge , and I use mine A LOT , from kiwi biker on the train , to emailing customers , to pretending to look cool

    I use a LOT of internet on the phone

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