Boi racers in Christchurch cont'd

[CookMySock]

At risk of being totally flamed, I also feel a bit sorry for some (notice I said some) of these kids, they want to go out and cruise, they want to make loud engine noises and shock/horror release a bit of smoke from their tyres. Shit they sound a bit like some of us

Yep. They are an easy target though, as they don't know their rights, are easily influenced by persuasion, and once one pressure group jump on them, a huge group of blood-letting lemmings follow them and bash them to death. It's disgusting really - some people are animals.

The same thing happened over here with kids jumping off the bridge into the river. No person has ever been injured doing it, but the council and the community is hell-bent on hunting down and killing the last child who does it, in case someone gets hurt.

I wonder when the government will outlaw that type of behaviour, or at least classify it for what it is.

But yeah the boy racers are going to have to moderate their actions somewhat. I think the main problem is theres so many of them. If it were hundreds of noisy bikers doing it, the result would be identical - outlaw it.

Steve

[Ixion]

They are guilty of being young. Youff is an unpardonable sin to people like Ms Collins.

[FJRider]

If it were hundreds of noisy bikers doing it, the result would be identical - outlaw it.

Steve

But hundreds of noisy bikers DO do it. its not what they do but WHERE they do it that attracts attention. Bikers do it (usually ... sometimes ... sometimes not) at bike rallys.

[CookMySock]

But hundreds of noisy bikers DO do it. its not what they do but WHERE they do it that attracts attention. Bikers do it (usually ... sometimes ... sometimes not) at bike rallys.

Well maybe thats what boy racers need.

I hear about all sorts of patent stupidity at rallys. It sounds awesome. Trouble is, my 14 y/o daughter will want to come.

Steve

[gatch]

Yea most 'boi racers' are harmless, loud noises for the most part is their crimes.

If there is a sector of road users that need to be pumelled into submission its drink drivers.. At my polytech night class tonight I heard two particular imbeciles laughing and boasting about how many times they have been done for drink driving, and the best roads for avoiding cops etc, had to leave early else things would have gotten out of hand..

cocks

[Ixion]

Well maybe thats what boy racers need.

I hear about all sorts of patent stupidity at rallys. It sounds awesome. Trouble is, my 14 y/o daughter will want to come.

Steve

14 y/o chick. Biker rally. Nope, nothing to see here, move along. Uh, what rallies d' y' think you might attend? Just out of curiosity, like.

[CookMySock]

Uh, what rallies d' y' think you might attend? Just out of curiosity, like.

ME? I have no idea. Why ?

Steve

[Maha]

Its a whole lot of nothing really, this crushing the car thing.
On one hand, the new law seems good for those that have an issue with these drop kicks.
On the other hand, they get given three chances over four years!!!
Three chances???...Thats where it falls apart sorry.
Most of these little wankers go through that amount of cars over that time anyway. No hardship there, they are worth fuck all.
Whats stopping any 'Boy Racer' on any given night driving a mates car?
If he/she is on, lets say the second warning (little terrors) and is drivng a car that is not his/hers and gets pinged, that vechicle could not be crushed because it is not his/hers? there must be a loop hole in there somewhere?

Crush the fucking car on the night, or the next day, first strike, its all over.

[Gareth51]

Meh, us hot-rod types had to put up with M.O.T. bully-boys and 'underhand' tactics way back in the 70's (or earlier, memory is a tad fuzzy).
The even picked on 'genuine hot rodders' and 'car enthusiasts' too.

Only we never had the interweb thingy to bleat on about it on...

I still think we got away with alot more
Rember having my keys taken off me by the police (not MOT)for doing boy racer things in a 58 Ford V8 back in the 60s
Told to pick them up from Wellington Central at midnight,as soon as they had gone,found a spare set in my pocket and carried on
On picking them up I was asked how I got there,I said drove of course
You could tell he aready knew

[CookMySock]

On picking them up I was asked how I got there,I said drove of course. You could tell he aready knew

That reminds me of going to the strawberry farm with the kids. We collect our punnets and go do the PYO thing and come back 20 mins later. They weigh everything up and ask us "do you want anything from the shop?", and my response is instant, "no thanks, we're full." straight face, no grinning now.. The lady looked visibly shocked but didn't say a word LOL.

Steve

[been_there]

Back on the subject:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2452...curity-officer

When are these dickheads going to learn.
This will only add fuel to fire on the loose law changes preposed by the minister.

[been_there]

So this is what I read from the preposal:
Councils can ban "cruising" convoys of boy racers from certain areas, with cars impounded for a second offence within 90 days.

Police get new powers to remove learner and restricted drivers from the road if they breach their licences, including seizing ignition keys and immobilising cars.

Fines for breaching licences reduced from $400 to $100, but demerit points raised from 25 to 35 seen as a greater deterrent.

Can this be applied to motorcycles?
Can Motorcyclists be placed under the same heading?

[Ixion]

It is virtually certain that the laws will apply to all motor vehicles, so, yes, and yes

[Mikkel]

Only two outcomes here..

either
they can crush a car AFTER it been sold, in which case cars will just be sold before the crusher day, disadvantaging the buyer, but not penalising the BR
or
they cant crush a car after its been sold, meaning BRs will sell cars to mates before crusher day meaning the law is impotent

Either outcome is just a bad law, drafted by a moron, which won't fix the problem

scumdog beat me to it...

I guess (and it IS only a guess) that the car would be siezed at the time of the offence and once the driver has been to Court and found guilty the car would be crushed.

Indeed, impounding the car first, would take care of that particular issue.

I am concerned about the bit where they want to ban "cruising". Which seems to imply that a number (how many ?) of vehicles, going to a common destination, breaking no other laws (ie not speeding, nice and quiet, no wheelies , wheel spinning etc,) can be pinged as "boy racers cruising" just because they are following one another. Sounds rather like a group ride, doesn't it. "You're a boy racer, and you were cruising because you were following another boy racer round and round. Hang on, how do you know I'm a boy racer? Cos you were following him, and he's a boy racer. But what makes him a boy racer, he's driving real carefully and legally? Cos you're following him, and you're a boy racer. But how --- oh forget it, which was is the crusher ? " The grey cardigans strike again.

It's just a matter of time and place. I am sure society wouldn't turn the blind eye if bikers took the behaviour from the Akaroa GP to the streets of Christchurch central.

As for banning cruising and other controversial suggestions - these are proposals, they still have to be instated which means they'll have to go through a rather cumbersome political process. And the more extremist clauses will most likely be weeded out along the way.


What I dislike about the whole crushing idea is that it is so bloody wasteful. If someone has amassed more fines than they can pay, quite simply expropriate the car and sell it to the highest bidder. Subtract the money made by selling the vehicle from the debt of the person from who it was taken. If it doesn't cover the fines, community work at $10/hr. And yes, there's plenty that could be done - since littering seems to have been taken up as a national passtime over these last 5 years.
Now, if the vehicle is unable to meet WOF or can not be sold for more than e.g. $1500 of to the crusher it goes and some set amount of money is withdrawn from the accumulated fines... No point in crushing a decent car - but getting some of the older shitheaps off the roads wouldn't be a bad thing.

[laserracer]

I still think we got away with alot more
Rember having my keys taken off me by the police (not MOT)for doing boy racer things in a 58 Ford V8 back in the 60s
Told to pick them up from Wellington Central at midnight,as soon as they had gone,found a spare set in my pocket and carried on
On picking them up I was asked how I got there,I said drove of course
You could tell he aready knew

MMMM remember well the wellington v8 boys