Work for the dole Yes/no?

[Slyer]

There's always countdown, the warehouse and maccas...
I say anyone who has been on the dole longer than 6 months should stop receiving money unless they are unable to work due to a real disability or kids etc...
Work for a year and you should be entitled to it again.

[Lucy]

You see I'm in my mid-20's, white, married, and trying to save money by only paying $130/wk in rent. If either of those had changed - i got money. If i had a new bike in the shed that i was paying off - i would get money. If i was driving round in a new car rather than the $1400 heap i have....i would get money.

Because you are white? Really?

Even if you 'got money', if you were paying off a new car or bike, you would still be worse off than you are now, they don't just take over your payments you know.


but back to topic
nah fuck em all - get them applying to 50 jobs a day like me, then they can have it........but since NONE of them are doing the same as me, they need to be raped like i have.

Raped? Really?

Are any of those 100s of jobs that you've applied for things like gas stations or McDonalds? Somehow I doubt it.

Rather than work for the dole schemes, it would behoove folks in this country to be compelled to visit the likes of India.

No-one is truly poor in NZ.

[Lucy]

i say get em on the roadsides picking up litter! there so much of it on our main highways, and there doesnt seem to be anyone picking it up. or out scrubbing graffiti or scraping up chewing gum.

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I say get them on the roadsides with paintball guns shooting the bastards who do the littering!

[jrandom]

I don't actually think that 'dole bludgers' are a particularly huge problem, as such. And, as some have pointed out, there's nowt that can be done about the fact that we will never have 0% unemployment. S'just the way things work.

The real malingerers are on the sickness benefit and the DPB.

National's policy of ensuring that parents on the DPB with school-age children are either working or studying is a good one.

Enormous good could probably be done, too, by forcing GPs to tighten up their criteria for issuing 'too sick to work' certificates. I would bet good money that a majority of sickness beneficiaries are receiving it due to either 'depression', or some sort of vague-aches-and-pains complaint that somehow doesn't stop them leading an active recreational life.

[Lucy]

How come you are always smoking in your profile pics?

[CookMySock]

Who ever says NO is most probally a long term dole user, go work you little using dicks....

No, I just don't want to be forced by the government to hire idiot dole-bludgers. That just just takes the problem out of their and your hands and puts it in mine. If they are going to do that then they can fucking pay for it - I have enough disasters to fix without spending all my time fixing even more disasters from people who are supposed to be here HELPING! It would be cheaper to sit them down on the front step and buy them beer than to try and run a business with them.

It would be different if they were out there cleaning up their own shit, ie graffitti and roadside KFC wrappers, with someone standing over them with a whip, PD-gang style.

Steve

[FROSTY:Me]

So theres a recession, people are being made redundant all over the country, others are returning from overseas having found that the world doesn't owe them a living and you brilliantly come up with the idea work for the dole. So where are all these jobs coming from? Are you giving yours up cos your so rich you dont need to work now? Perhaps if your in a high wage earner bracket you could be made redundant and a higher qualified person than you who has ended up on the dole thru no fault of their own could take your place, still be paid the dole and the company would love the extra profit. Remember theres already people doing all those jobs for minimum wage that people seem to think so called dole bludgers should do. I sometimes wonder if people are living in the real world when I see rubbish about the people on the dole. Rant over

I really miss the point of your rant.
read the op again. Its NOT the genuine cases who Im talking about. Its the long term career unemployed/sickness benificiaries that Im refering to.
Definitely the unemployment benifit is there to help people who have fallen on hard times. There are odvious cases where a sickness benifit is their only option Those people I will ALWAYS support
You cannot honestly say there aren't jobs needing doing in every community that are not being done simply due to lack of funding.
What on earth do you think the PD crews do on a saturday ?.
AND heres the crux of the matter. The infastructure is already in place for a work for the dole scheme. The list of jobs needing doing is way in excess of the workers available to do them.

I know you can't use one example to generalise but one example that just tears my shorts is a sickness benificiary whos back is too sore for him to carry out a 9-5 job. He gets his $350 a week plus accomodation suppliment. Then from 9.30-3.30 he's our mowing lawns.
Do you honestly support people who don't want to help themselves?
6 months of not bothering to even look at the jobs available let alone going and looking for one.

[steve_t]

I know you can't use one example to generalise but one example that just tears my shorts is a sickness benificiary whos back is too sore for him to carry out a 9-5 job. He gets his $350 a week plus accomodation suppliment. Then from 9.30-3.30 he's our mowing lawns.

Exactly!! These people are just taking the piss! Tax free cash under the table for mowing, AND the benefit. Some people really know how to work the system!

[BMWST?]

yes,as long as the work being done does not disadvantage a company that does that work from getting that work.
At one time I was made redundant(I was a draughtsman) It took me a year to find another job .I probably applied for 80 ot 90 jobs,anything at all with do with the building industry/product/company.But as the whole building industry was depressed i didnt have much success.I had a new house,child/wife,six week stand down but then i go the dole....would have been out on the streets without it.

[scumdog]

Yup, make 'em work, even if it's picking up rubbish etc.

Sick of seeing slack-jawed mouth-breathing pimple-faced saggy-baggy trouser wearing layabouts passing on vital information on their cell-phone as they rush through their busy day consisting of X-box, tagging and smoking cannabis.

(Bought with money they got from ripping off a pensioners lawnmower to sell so they could pay for the aforementoned toke-weed.)


And you would think they would have time to step nearer the shower too, stinky buggers.

[scumdog]

I don't actually think that 'dole bludgers' are a particularly huge problem, as such. And, as some have pointed out, there's nowt that can be done about the fact that we will never have 0% unemployment. S'just the way things work.

The real malingerers are on the sickness benefit and the DPB.

Smoke and mirrors, many of those on the sickness benefit started on the unemployment benefit, Govt cooks the books by moving them sideways onto the sickness benefit list = less unemployed people.

[Max Preload]

You have to wonder how many Master Builders were involved in how many leaky buildings.

but far more pertinent is how many home owners built their own 'leaky' buildings, you know, the very people being prevented from doing their own work under the new, more oppressive Building Act...

A percentage of 'dole lifers' are criminals anyway, earning well above the average wage, but squandering it on drugs and shit. These are the ones that should be targeted. Test their urine as someone else has pointed out. No pass, no dole.

I've always said that is should be at least as inconvenient to not have a job as to have one. I'd never submit to drug testing by an employer myself, but then again I do something for my money. (at least they seem to think I do... I'm at work right now...)

Who ever says NO is most probally a long term dole user, go work you little using dicks....

I said no and I'm not as per your description. In fact, given your apparently low level of education judging from your atrocious spelling, I'd say you're far more likely to be on the dole than me.

The real malingerers are on the sickness benefit and the DPB.

National's policy of ensuring that parents on the DPB with school-age children are either working or studying is a good one.

Enormous good could probably be done, too, by forcing GPs to tighten up their criteria for issuing 'too sick to work' certificates. I would bet good money that a majority of sickness beneficiaries are receiving it due to either 'depression', or some sort of vague-aches-and-pains complaint that somehow doesn't stop them leading an active recreational life.

And criminal life. Otherwise, fuck'n spot on, Bevan!

[Naki Rat]

Work for the dole after 6 months even if it requires public works schemes to make it happen

And regular random drug testing which denies them the dole if they fail it. If it's good enough for most of us to have to abide by this in order to earn the money which is taxed to pay these drones, then it's only fair that they remain 'clean' enough to be potentially employable

[sunhuntin]

I say get them on the roadsides with paintball guns shooting the bastards who do the littering!

ooo, that sounds like a better option! wanna swap? LOL.

problem is, with career doleys, not all of em are on drugs. susans never taken a drug in her life, yet shes on her way to turning the dole into a career. same with a former flatmate... was also clean as a whistle, yet her kids are 3rd generation dole bludgers. [shes had 4 since 2005? no intention of ever working]

[davereid]

...Sick of seeing slack-jawed mouth-breathing pimple-faced saggy-baggy trouser wearing layabouts passing on vital information on their cell-phone as they rush through their busy day consisting of X-box, tagging and smoking cannabis.

Thats the thing. Called in at my mates workshop the other day. He was fixing a car for the same persons sister.

A WINZ chit was paying for the repairs, $600 worth.

Meanwhile, the apparently "broke" individual rolled herself a nice smoke, and proceeded to talk her way through $15 worth of pre-pay mobile time.

Yet I can't imagine why WINZ should be paying for car repairs, particularly for a beneficiary.

This individual did not have a job. So taking 35 minutes to walk to any destination in Levin would have done her no harm.

Plus the town has a $1 anywhere-in-town bus service, and free bus service to Palmerston North for visits to hospital etc.

Without begrudging my hard working pal the income he makes from an endless pile of blue WINZ chits, every single one costs a real worker a week or ten days pay.

Somehow it seems pointless - we just keep on funding the same circle of lose lose lose.