Removing wing mirrors...

[Katman]

Peple who do this sort of thing are sadists. They get their jollies (usually sexual, though not always) from hurting people. They enjoy causing pain. The odds are that the man in the quote above got an erection doing it. They select people they perceive as weak or vulnerable to hurt. Children, women, old people. And motorcyclists . Turning a blind eye to his behaviour isn't going to change him. It's just going to encourage him, to assure him that he can get away with it.

What a load of shit.

The majority of times wing mirrors are deliberately smashed off is simply due to the motorcyclist's sense of grievance that they weren't seen. (The rest of the times seem to be from pillocks that don't know how to lane split).

And besides, I'm not saying that there isn't the odd time that someone might deserve to have it happen to them - I'm saying that by doing so we are creating more of a hazard for all of us rather than solving it.

[bogan]

No no.. a genuine mistake is putting your socks on inside out, or getting one bottle of milk from pak 'n' save when you should have got two.

A mistake involving a deadly weapon (car) endangering someone's life is NOT a genuine mistake. It's driving in a manner endangering life. The same slack attitude with a firearm would be dealt with harshly (if caught). Why not with a car?

genuine mistake in that whoever made it is genuinely apologetic, it is high stakes but if it wasnt deliberate theres no point claiming a mirror, they will probably learn for next time anyway.

[Ixion]

What a load of shit.

The majority of times wing mirrors are deliberately smashed off is simply due to the motorcyclist's sense of grievance that they weren't seen. (The rest of the times seem to be from pillocks that don't know how to lane split).

As a matter of interest, how many actual, identified , specific cases of wing mirrors being smashed off do you know of ? Not "heard from a mate" , but ones where you actually know person time and place? Personally, I don't know of ANY. It's often talked of, it's a shit load harder to do than it sounds , and I don't think it happens very often.

BTW I think you really mean pillar mirrors. Wing mirrors were the old sort mounted on the mudguard above the front wheel. Almost impossible to break off without breaking your arm

And an ACCIDENTAL knock on a mirror when lane splitting is quite a different matter. One takes a certain pride in never touching , but occasionally a touch will happen. Usually without any ill effect to either party. If someone is going to go homicidal about that, then they have real big issues.


I think you are building an anti-motorcyclist crusade over something that doesn't really exist (and how much lane splitting does occur in Taupo anyway ? )

[Madness]

And here I was thinking Katman had taken early retirement.

[jaymzw]

Or do you think that perhaps they're more likely to think "Fuck you ya prick, I'll take out the next fucker on a motorcycle who passes me"?

Seems this guy could have that exact attitude towards cyclists

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Community/M...eadid=36257312

If you cant be stuffed opening it, a quick quote from the thread "My car weighs 2300kgs Guess who will win. Rant over."

Crazy psychopathic mother fucker, im happy i dont ride a bicycle.

[bogan]

Seems this guy could have that exact attitude towards cyclists

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Community/M...eadid=36257312

If you cant be stuffed opening it, a quick quote from the thread "My car weighs 2300kgs Guess who will win. Rant over."

Crazy psychopathic mother fucker, im happy i dont ride a bicycle.

yeh seems a bit ott. though i do worry bout cyclists who do this, we have lots of cycle lanes in palmy so naturally they do come up on the left, i dont actually know what the law is there, is the cyclist undertaking and at fault? or the cager at fault for not giving way to a vehicle (at a stretch!) going straight, personally i just move over into the cycle lane after i start indicating, nobody ca come up on left then. This may be a bit but, meh

[jaymzw]

This may be a bit but, meh

I posted the link because the guy had been frustrated by the actions of a few cyclists and basically stated that the next cyclist that crosses him is gonna end up eating the road. It supported KM opening post. Hence why opening post was quoted.

Just as KM says, your actions aren't just affecting you, they could affect every other biker aswell.

Doesnt mean some cagers dont deserve their heads kicked in, let alone their doors or side mirrors.

[XRVrider]

Having balls is doing something about what you think is wrong Katman. My way of getting back at twats was to rile them, spitting worked a treat in those instances, not knocking a mirror off. Would quite like to spit on your car right now though

[Katman]

Having balls is doing something about what you think is wrong Katman. My way of getting back at twats was to rile them, spitting worked a treat in those instances, not knocking a mirror off. Would quite like to spit on your car right now though

Wow, how totally heroic.

[FJRider]

What a load of shit.

The majority of times wing mirrors are deliberately smashed off is simply due to the motorcyclist's sense of grievance that they weren't seen. (The rest of the times seem to be from pillocks that don't know how to lane split).

And besides, I'm not saying that there isn't the odd time that someone might deserve to have it happen to them - I'm saying that by doing so we are creating more of a hazard for all of us rather than solving it.

But if it happens "accidently" ... whats the problem. If its not ... at least in future the cage drivers will be looking out for bikes... if only to run them down.

But they WILL be looking out for bikes ... thats good ... isn't it ???

[Katman]

(and how much lane splitting does occur in Taupo anyway ? )

It can be a real bitch getting to the front of our one set of traffic lights sometimes.

[quickbuck]

I posted the link because the guy had been frustrated by the actions of a few cyclists and basically stated that the next cyclist that crosses him is gonna end up eating the road. It supported KM opening post. Hence why opening post was quoted.

Just as KM says, your actions aren't just affecting you, they could affect every other biker aswell.

Doesnt mean some cagers dont deserve their heads kicked in, let alone their doors or side mirrors.

Yup,
That message on TM truly supports the idea we are sharing the road with psychopaths.......


And as you say, it truly supports the fact we all get tared with the same brush....
Just as we tar people who drive a SUV in town, people of the same race, and even people from an area of a city, we as motorcyclists are also tared by the actions of a few.
Inappropriate reactions and threats do NOTHING to diffuse the situation.

In fact that thread on TM got me a little wound up, BUT that is my feelings I have to deal with.
If I really said to the poster what I thought of their attitude right now, they would probable laugh in my face, as they obviously got a reaction.... and i would most likely look like an idiot. Anger fueled words never make perfect sense to those who don't see it your way.

So, really we have to chill out, look at the situation, and react appropriately.

Oh, and for what it is worth, i do know of one case of a mirror going missing.

I was in Blenheim (posted to Woodbourne) at the time, and a bunch of mates were coming back from Picton on their bikes (about 5). Another mate was out teaching his missus at the time how to drive.
As they were barreling down SH1 she looked up the road and misjudged the rate in which motorcycles travel. She made the slightly poor decision to pull out in front of them. All 5 bikes had plenty of time and room to take evasive action... her only real mistake was to actually accelerate too slowly.

Anyhow the last in the group decided to show the driver that he still had at least one finger on his left hand by holding it just above the height of the door handle...... Well, he collected the mirror.
Totally accidental, but a consequence of his small outrage at the time.

I know all involved, and the owner of the car was more than a little upset.
He would have much preferred the rider to come up to him and expressed how he felt face to face, as opposed to vandalising his car and riding off.....

Little did either party realise at the time the red mist was flowing that they actually worked with each other!

SO, careful who's mirror you smash!

[Katman]

But if it happens "accidently" ... whats the problem. If its not ... at least in future the cage drivers will be looking out for bikes... if only to run them down.

But they WILL be looking out for bikes ... thats good ... isn't it ???

If it happens accidentally then you still end up with a fucked off car driver who suddenly has a dislike of motorcyclists.

While your comment "if only to run them down" was obviously said tongue in cheek - many a true word is said in jest.

[FJRider]

If it happens accidentally then you still end up with a fucked off car driver who suddenly has a dislike of motorcyclists.

While your comment "if only to run them down" was obviously said tongue in cheek - many a true word is said in jest.

I am a motorcyclist ... and I have a strong dislike of some motorcyclists. (A few fuck me off) A fucked off cage pilot is little different.

My tounge was nowhere near my cheek ... I can assure you of that. !!!

[Katman]

I am a motorcyclist ... and I have a strong dislike of some motorcyclists. (A few fuck me off) A fucked off cage pilot is little different.

My tounge was nowhere near my cheek ... I can assure you of that. !!!

Really?

A fucked off car driver is piloting something capable of far greater injury to a motorcyclist than another motorcycle (and are usually somewhat harder to avoid).