Heavy Vehicle Amendment - Act now

**CookMySock** · 9th June 2009, 11:16

Originally Posted by Elysium

Again we have a rail network that was built for this very purpose being ignored. I'm sure it costs less to maintain a rail network then roads.

Everyone hates trains though.. Try saying "choo choo! TOOOT!! TOOOT!! See! Trains are gay!

Trucks hold motorcyclists up? How? Nothing holds me up.

Steve

**ManDownUnder** · 9th June 2009, 11:19

Originally Posted by DangerousBastard

Everyone hates trains though.. Try saying "choo choo! TOOOT!! TOOOT!! See! Trains are gay!

Honda makes trains? Huh! I never knew!

**C_A** · 9th June 2009, 12:16

lol @ someone earlier thinking that 50% of accidents involve trucks. if there were no trucks, morons would just find somehting else to crash into.
nz's rail network is pathetic, aged, and fucked.
nz's roads are shithouse. we already run trucks & trailers that are like, twice the required axles and shit than is seemingly required elsewhere in the developed world.
If trucks damage the roads then dropping one in every 5 loads would surely be better for the roading condition. plus the government should be spending road tax and the like actually on roading, not some shithead polititian's taxi fares.

55 tonne trial trucks have been running for some time around various sites around and about.

New Zealand can't do without trucks. The only thing they don't deliver is taken care of by midwives. I don't know why everyone gets up their goat about them all the time. Harden up.

**Winston001** · 9th June 2009, 12:18

Originally Posted by Mschvs

Bring back trains! Pro's and cons

PRO"S -

1. I locomotive can carry over 10 times as much as 1 truck (depending on the loco)
2. Don't cause ANY damage to the roads, as long as maintenance is kept up at crossings.
3. Don't hold up traffic, or require massive slow downs and passing lanes to be up every hill
4. Are much more environmentally friendly due to their capacity
5. Do I need to say more ...

CONS -

1. Um ......
2. Loss of truck driving jobs ...
3. Um ....

Trains can only go from point A to point B.

There is only one line = delays waiting for the line to clear.

Multi-handling. Load up the truck, take to rail yard, unload, load waits for a train to be available, load up train, arrive destination, shunting and unloading, truck waits for load, picks it up, heads to final destination.

**NDORFN** · 9th June 2009, 13:36

Originally Posted by NordieBoy

They need to make some dedicated roads out of say... steel to handle the weight and then they could link up lots of trailers and pull really heavy loads.

Post of the week !!!

**NDORFN** · 9th June 2009, 13:38

Originally Posted by Winston001

Trains can only go from point A to point B.

There is only one line = delays waiting for the line to clear.

Multi-handling. Load up the truck, take to rail yard, unload, load waits for a train to be available, load up train, arrive destination, shunting and unloading, truck waits for load, picks it up, heads to final destination.

You obviously know nothing about frieghting logisitics. Do some reading on NZR during the 70's - 90's if you want an example of an efficient rail system in NZ. That was before road-railers, intermodals etc... Have you ever seen a truck trailer roll past on rails? I have. It takes less time to assemble a rake of road-railers, that is, road going trailers that literally connect together to form a train, than it does to interchange trailers at truck depots.

**Brownstoo** · 9th June 2009, 13:40

Originally Posted by renegade master

yeah we NEED trains. Trains are so much better than trucks.

Yes, but that's just coz NZ roads are absolute shit.

**NDORFN** · 9th June 2009, 13:47

[QUOTE=Brownstoo;1129250318]Yes, but that's just coz NZ roads are absolute shit.[/QUOTE

What do you think makes them shit dumbarse?

**NDORFN** · 9th June 2009, 13:50

In terms of future-proofing an investment in frieght-logistics in NZ, think about this... what happens when the oil runs low/out? Is it going to be easier to electrify roads or rails? Anyone who thinks a country can live without an efficient rail system are short-sighted fools. Just like our last government.

**Naki Rat** · 9th June 2009, 13:58

Originally Posted by NighthawkNZ

also depends on the road, and how much maintenance it gets I guess... main National highways should be okay... provincial highway should be ok as well... other roads debatable I have see trucks on the side roads that rip the road up... but being a side road it gets no maintenacne...

More to do with a combination of what loading the road is engineered to cope with, the budget constrains during construction, the geology* it is built on and the vehicle loading (vehicles per day) the road is subject to.

*Roads with rock or gravel foundations such as many in the South Island will cope easily with increased loadings, however try putting the same loads over Taranaki roads with wet volcanic ash/clay foundations and unless a truckload of money is spent on improvements those roads will fail quick smart.

**Winston001** · 9th June 2009, 14:40

Originally Posted by NDORFN

In terms of future-proofing an investment in frieght-logistics in NZ, think about this... what happens when the oil runs low/out? Is it going to be easier to electrify roads or rails?

Neither. Airships.

**firefighter** · 9th June 2009, 14:43

Originally Posted by Mschvs

Less truck related crashes on the roads .... probably cutting road accidents down by half!!

Riiiiighhht.......

Iv'e personally been to far more car related accidents than truck related accidents........but that's just me and most people I work with

**NDORFN** · 9th June 2009, 14:44

Originally Posted by Winston001

Neither. Airships.

May aswell just fire frieght from large cannons.

**NDORFN** · 9th June 2009, 14:45

Originally Posted by firefighter

Riiiiighhht.......

Iv'e personally been to far more car related accidents than truck related accidents........but that's just me and most people I work with

You know that the truck doesn't necessarily have to be involved in the crash to be the cause of it?