Pita Sharples - just gotta love 'im, eh?

**MattRSK** · 18th June 2009, 09:57

Originally Posted by mynameis

To be honest it's not that big a deal as people are making it. Most Universities will allow "matured" students with some level of work experience and education a shot at doing Degrees.

They allow "provisional" entrance, prove yourself in the first year and you get to do 2nd 3rd ect..ect..

If they are allowed in it's another way Universities will be making money as majority will do 1st year fail and drop out donating money to Unis.

There's a difference in entering Uni and graduating !! Which is HARDWORK.

Allowing Marios to enter into Uni without restrictions ISN"T going to close the gap he's talking about.

Thats me! .

**p.dath** · 18th June 2009, 10:19

My other issue, as an employer, is if the requirements for Maori are made so much easier than for every one else, then if I have two people present for a job with the same degree, I'll probably question the value of the degree from a Maori person because I know the standard they had to meet was so much less.
Of course, I would never voice that to the applicant, as I could be sued.

I'd prefer all qualifications where of equal value and merit, regardless of the blood line you were born into many many generations ago.

**marty** · 18th June 2009, 10:34

Originally Posted by p.dath

My other issue, as an employer, is if the requirements for Maori are made so much easier than for every one else, then if I have two people present for a job with the same degree, I'll probably question the value of the degree from a Maori person because I know the standard they had to meet was so much less.
Of course, I would never voice that to the applicant, as I could be sued.

I'd prefer all qualifications where of equal value and merit, regardless of the blood line you were born into many many generations ago.

advocate here. surely if 2 people turn up for a job, both with an appropriate degree with the same mark, the standard that they have met is the same? I don't think Pita is suggesting the qualification is dumbed down, just the entry requirement

**MSTRS:Me** · 18th June 2009, 10:38

Originally Posted by marty

I don't think Pita is suggesting the qualification is dumbed down, just the entry requirement

Watch this space...

**marty** · 18th June 2009, 10:38

the (mostly) failed Wananga in Hamilton is a classic example of the issues attached to open entry.

1. quality of teachers - where do they get increased numbers of suitable teachers/lecturers from?

2. ability to research/study. this comes from actual reading, recording and sorting practice. not from trying to figure out where the cheapest smokes for the playground come from.

**gwigs** · 18th June 2009, 11:07

What a f***kin tosser Pita Sharples is ,where did he get his doctorate?he must have studied hard to get to uni to achieve that goal...if he can do it why not other Maoris? ..he should be saying look at me,look at what Ive achieved through hard work......Im sick of the hard done by Maori bullshit.

**p.dath** · 18th June 2009, 11:13

Originally Posted by marty

advocate here. surely if 2 people turn up for a job, both with an appropriate degree with the same mark, the standard that they have met is the same? I don't think Pita is suggesting the qualification is dumbed down, just the entry requirement

University degrees don't have a mark (unless you achieved honours). There is no way to tell how much someone "passed". You either have the degree or don't.

**PrincessBandit** · 18th June 2009, 11:20

Interesting to read the article on stuff's homepage where Mr Sharples is pushing his agenda.

**Deano** · 18th June 2009, 11:45

Originally Posted by p.dath

University degrees don't have a mark (unless you achieved honours). There is no way to tell how much someone "passed". You either have the degree or don't.

Each paper has a grade though, with final results given to the student at the end of the year. This could be shown to prospective employers to distinguish between an A or B average and a C.

**p.dath** · 18th June 2009, 11:53

Originally Posted by Deano

Each paper has a grade though, with final results given to the student at the end of the year. This could be shown to prospective employers to distinguish between an A or B average and a C.

When I look at 100 CV's, I wont be looking at grades. It takes too long. Maybe when I have a short list. I want to look at a two page summary about the person. Anything longer and I'll probably put their application in the two hard basket.

**EJK** · 18th June 2009, 13:47

Wow this got to be the most clear poll result ever on KB history.

Finally we all (most) agree on something.

**duckonin** · 18th June 2009, 13:58

John Keys he is part of the problem !!! he backs Pita and the party all the way to the bank ...

**balans** · 18th June 2009, 14:07

Originally Posted by p.dath

When I look at 100 CV's, I wont be looking at grades. It takes too long. Maybe when I have a short list. I want to look at a two page summary about the person. Anything longer and I'll probably put their application in the two hard basket.

Many employers however do request that an academic transcript be submitted along with CV and cover letter. It doesn't take long to look at the GPA if that is a criteria the employer is interested in. I suspect this sort of screening is usually done by an HR admin assistant well before the CV makes it's way to a managers desk.

**mynameis** · 18th June 2009, 14:12

Grades are important period.

It's more important when you're applying for entry level jobs for fresh graduates.

As said before it's not hard to obtain a GPA which clearly sets them apart.