Rider error - Now the highest ACC claims stat

[dipshit]

Look at the cc break down of the stats and you will see 500cc and over make a huge percentage. Kind of rules out a lot of the farm and trail bikes.

[Squiggles]

That's one question I asked of the Police Rep, he reconed the quadbike/off road figure was minute. The words used were "mostly onroad crashes" were represented in these stats.
I'd like to know that percentage though. I think it's important.

Wasnt the attached document was it? This is the one i was sent December last year by ACC during the Ride Forever campaign

[xwhatsit]

I sense that a number of motorcyclist's worlds will come crashing down around them when they finally discover that 'fucking cagers' aren't the cause of the majority of their ills.

Damn right!

Yeah --- it's not the cagers --- it's the Fuzz, innit?

[Ixion]

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22-30 yr/old women were easy to train,..

Hah ! What planet is he on ? Even training them to do the simplest stuff, like fetching a beer or swallowing, is nigh impossible.

[Squiggles]

another one that winds me up is people using car liscences to dart around on scooters. They haven't proven they have an ability use a bike like everyone else has to yet are allowed go out and represent us on the roads and add to the carnarge.

I followed that one up and was sent the document i posted further up the page, High but significantly lower than the 750cc+ category. Although i suspect this groups presence could be signficantly reduced if we were to educate the scootlists

[xwhatsit]

I followed that one up and was sent the document i posted further up the page, High but significantly lower than the 750cc+ category. Although i suspect this groups presence could be signficantly reduced if we were to educate the scootlists

So it's finally confirmed. People like me are subsidising the GSXR weekend-Coro-GP crowd.

[Genestho]

Wasnt the attached document was it? This is the one i was sent December last year by ACC during the Ride Forever campaign

Seems like that's a summary of the crash analysis. I think the Police Rep read out bullet points from something like this, with 2008 stats factored in (I THINK it's July - June - would need to check!) But the report was more like 20 pages, over all data perhaps?

[Genestho]

So it's finally confirmed. People like me are subsidising the GSXR weekend-Coro-GP crowd.

Insensitive mate.
Don't think they haven't been affected.
All the words in the world can't teach you what these incidents do!!

[MDR2]

as far as i know, ACC don't split hairs over on road/off road.

It's motorbike or not motorbike. I could try delve into the matter deeper at work if I find a spare minute.

[MDR2]

So it's finally confirmed. People like me are subsidising the GSXR weekend-Coro-GP crowd.

MEntality

[RAC]

Im very dubious as to how ACC collect this info, the documents that they collate from are very black and white with bugger all subjective or situational input i.e. you crashed coz you ran off the road, not you crashed coz you ran off the road whilst avoiding a hazard, and very subject to the input of the person scribing and the interpretation of the person inputting the info.
Anecdotally, and from my own experience, in 2+ vehicle accidents the majority of fault can still be laid at the other drivers door, (particularly at intersections and in traffic) but that still leaves around 40% single vehicle (the bike) or rider error accidents.
The acc forms have a tick box "did this accident occur on a public road", this again is open to interpretation as legislation means the surface of the moon can be considered a public road (if your Richard Branson....).

A personal bugbear, if you lane split on the motorway at thrice the speed traffic is moving and get wasted IT IS YOUR FAULT. dickhead......

[Devil]

It has begun....

http://www.scootersurvival.co.nz/

Have just read through the info on this site and I approve. It's well written, and raises completely valid points regarding riding and gear.
Now to get people to read it...

[Winston001]

..... with the emergence of Rider Error in Motorcycling stats as the highest ACC claim.

Some other notes I took on Rider Error were:


Riders of Italian Bikes were mostly at fault in crashes...

Maori Riders caused the most crashes ethnicity wise

Whooaa there Neddy!! If I read this correctly, Maori Ducati riders are in the highest risk bracket.... must get that genealogy chart out...

And at a higher level - motorcyclists themselves are at fault???? Yeah right.

We all know its the cagers/police/roading contractors who are responsible for motorcycle accidents. Really, where do you get this stuff from!

[The Pastor]

bloodly marys makin it bad for us white folk

[BuckBuck#1]

Read with interest.

I’d like to present a few comments:

When a rider is a part of a group ride: is the rider confident riding in the group and did the rider feel comfortable riding at the pace of the group? [perhaps confident and comfortable can be inter-changeable in the context of the question.]

Do riders get a false sense of ‘security’ having ridden in a group, and then does the rider think s/he may be developing better riding techniques? Here I could be specific and say ‘Do novice riders…. Do young/old riders….Do fast riders……Do experienced riders……get a false sense of security.

Generally, I think it is reasonable to say that as motorcyclists we do congregate in the week through summer and on the weekends through the year to enjoy a ride with others that share the enjoyment. Associated however with that ‘social dynamic’ are, at times, pitfalls – riders can be tempted to ride outside their comfort zone and the temptation is theirs alone and at times can be measured by the number of times they get that tightness in the pit of their stomachs eg. scrubbing off speed.

Riding a motorcycle comes with an attitude, one that is never constant: riding alone and being vigilant on the daily commute, or riding alone out along a countryside road, or meeting up for a group ride – the fast ones are there, the observant ones are there, the timid ones are there, and so it goes on.

Whatever changes may occur in the future in relation to motorcycle training and licensing, and I hope some positive things do occur in that regard. There is nevertheless a realization that in riding a motorcycle the distance between the wrist and the forehead is fairly common, but the distance between the forehead and the state of mind is immeasureable at any given moment.

There are many, many situations that have lead to and contributed to an injury or fatal accident. Please, please be careful out there.

Ride Safe