To Robert Taylor and other MNZ bashers

[SixPackBack]

How the fuck can you say people dont want to see bike racing? Been to Pearoa or Wanganui lately? 10,000 spectators, with NO view of the track, and $25 to get in.


Promote, promote, promote!!!

Both great events, both poorly managed.

[Drew]

Both great events, both poorly managed.

I fully agree, but both also generate good crowds. Imagine either of them with lunch time entertainment. Something that doesn't have bikes I mean. Something for mum and the kids.

[slowpoke]

How the fuck can you say people dont want to see bike racing? Been to Pearoa or Wanganui lately? 10,000 spectators, with NO view of the track, and $25 to get in...

I hear ya Drew but these are pretty unique events: there aren't many places in the world where there's nothing between you and the racing except a bit of chicken wire. The sights, sounds and sensations of standing inches from the action is a bit different to a conventional race circuit. Not to mention the road circuits are literally in their backyards.

Having said that, the non-motorcylists out here at work who enjoy the odd bit of bike racing I force 'em to watch tells me we have a good product, it just has to be marketed. Unfortunately my nana's knitting circle could do a better job of this area than MNZ have done.

[Drew]

Unfortunately my nana's knitting circle could do a better job of this area than MNZ have done.

LOL, getting a dig in to MNZ in the "whaaa whaa dont bash my brother" thread.

Bling well deserved.

I say it a lot, so once more wont hurt. Promote something, and put it on telle. Fuck, a reality TV series, about bike racers, with sponsorship as the prize. People could see our struggles, and I stand as good a chance as the next guy of winning

[Robert Taylor]

Bring back the NZ F1 and F2 rules, and grids will be over full

Heck, that makes sense.

[SixPackBack]

Heck, that makes sense.

Adequate attendance and interest from the general public are far more important. With sufficient crowd numbers comes greater advertisment dollars, investment within the sport and the ability to run whatever racing classes desired.

Time to start thinking along the lines of entertainment rather than racing, and to look at the issues holistically rather than getting mired in detail.

IMHO someone like Quasi or Eddie could run these events far more effectively than the current tired individuals.

[scrivy]

And that was a bloody good meeting Scrivvy!

Cheers Robert!

Yup you got it Quasi. Throw in some entertainment for children and the wives and get the whole family along.

Checked out the happenings at the TRRS on my website Sixpack? Thats exactly what I have in mind too.

One way to increase crowds in the short term is to work in with the organisers of a successful rally and combine the events. That might mean a smaller meeting with better focus on popular (with the crowds) classes of racing. People could have a few beers, camp the night, listen to a band etc. You might need to be clever about the mix of racing though.

Being organised Paul, being organised.....

And lots of trade stalls.

Hell, if any want to set up at Taupo, PM me and you're welcome!!

I fully agree, but both also generate good crowds. Imagine either of them with lunch time entertainment. Something that doesn't have bikes I mean. Something for mum and the kids.

As I said, being organised!

Adequate attendance and interest from the general public are far more important. With sufficient crowd numbers comes greater advertisment dollars, investment within the sport and the ability to run whatever racing classes desired.

Time to start thinking along the lines of entertainment rather than racing, and to look at the issues holistically rather than getting mired in detail.

Hence the tie in with the past riders re-union......... legends mentoring the up and coming........

I'm trying all your ideas guys, I just hope it lifts NZs motorcycle racing scene! God knows we need it to!!
I would love motorcycle racing to get more exposure than rugby on TV!!

My ambitions may be high, but I'm prepared to put my $$ where my heart and mouth are - er..... just don't tell the missus......

[98tls]

Scrivy did those Marlboro series DVDs turn up ok?

[scrivy]

Scrivy did those Marlboro series DVDs turn up ok?

Glad you mentioned it mate. Today in the mail!!! You sir are a gentleman!!
I will watch them both with joy!!

[98tls]

Glad you mentioned it mate. Today in the mail!!! You sir are a gentleman!!
I will watch them both with joy!!

Good stuff,theres some great ole sidecar action on there.Enjoy.

[racer40]

to robert & shaun, as you will see on the suzuki tri series entry forms we are running F1 & F2 classes ( just what you want eh )

[Shaun]

to robert & shaun, as you will see on the suzuki tri series entry forms we are running F1 & F2 classes ( just what you want eh )

Great reading

[roadracingoldfart]

Bring back the NZ F1 and F2 rules, and grids will be over full

Heck, that makes sense.

So why not combine the classes into 1 race like F3 and Pro Twins are at the moment.
Im about to do a mod to a CBR600 that will allow it to run in P/C junior still but will make it ineligable for F2 ( S/P ) so its taking 1 bike away from a cross entry possibility.
There are alot of older 600s that can be made to go very well on a track for thier age but they cant enter S/P because of the limitations in the rules.

In the early 90s we actually had 1 bike doing both classes
(Junior Proddy & F2) and we changed the bits over between races , thats just silly i know but we couldnt afford 2 bikes.
Now there is a certain affordability to older bikes and they can be given a workover fairly easily.
Budget is the main reason races are saying not doing the Nats etc but if the bike costs a fraction of what we have on the grid now then surely its going to allow more races to compete. Track time is track time and a bike is a bike and if competing against similar likes then all is almost level , i think.

Is it really that simple or am i dreaming again ???

Paul.

[Robert Taylor]

So why not combine the classes into 1 race like F3 and Pro Twins are at the moment.
Im about to do a mod to a CBR600 that will allow it to run in P/C junior still but will make it ineligable for F2 ( S/P ) so its taking 1 bike away from a cross entry possibility.
There are alot of older 600s that can be made to go very well on a track for thier age but they cant enter S/P because of the limitations in the rules.

In the early 90s we actually had 1 bike doing both classes
(Junior Proddy & F2) and we changed the bits over between races , thats just silly i know but we couldnt afford 2 bikes.
Now there is a certain affordability to older bikes and they can be given a workover fairly easily.
Budget is the main reason races are saying not doing the Nats etc but if the bike costs a fraction of what we have on the grid now then surely its going to allow more races to compete. Track time is track time and a bike is a bike and if competing against similar likes then all is almost level , i think.

Is it really that simple or am i dreaming again ???

Paul.

No theres a lot of merit in what you say and Im glad Shaun bought it up.

Heck, the communist agitator that dredged and restarted this thread must be laughing his red socks off!

[Shaun]

So why not combine the classes into 1 race like F3 and Pro Twins are at the moment.
Im about to do a mod to a CBR600 that will allow it to run in P/C junior still but will make it ineligable for F2 ( S/P ) so its taking 1 bike away from a cross entry possibility.
There are alot of older 600s that can be made to go very well on a track for thier age but they cant enter S/P because of the limitations in the rules.

In the early 90s we actually had 1 bike doing both classes
(Junior Proddy & F2) and we changed the bits over between races , thats just silly i know but we couldnt afford 2 bikes.
Now there is a certain affordability to older bikes and they can be given a workover fairly easily.
Budget is the main reason races are saying not doing the Nats etc but if the bike costs a fraction of what we have on the grid now then surely its going to allow more races to compete. Track time is track time and a bike is a bike and if competing against similar likes then all is almost level , i think.

Is it really that simple or am i dreaming again ???

Paul.

with the F1 and F2 rules back in place, there would be NO need nor room to combine f1 and F2, there would be to many bikes entered.