Cornering in sand. Stand or sit?

[oldskool]

think me and flyingcr are doing some to man thing soon

sounds kinky, especially on one bike?

[flyingcr250]

think me and flyingcr are doing some to man thing soon

race, two man race, it sounds dodgey when you dont put the race in there.

sometimes i stand and sometimes i sit, i dont really have any preferance.

taking corners i mean

[oldskool]

race, two man race, it sounds dodgey when you dont put the race in there.

sometimes i stand and sometimes i sit, i dont really have any preferance.

taking corners i mean

Personally I'm lazy and go for missionary but have you got yourself a bike to ride yet?...and not the town bike variety either!

[flyingcr250]

Personally I'm lazy and go for missionary but have you got yourself a bike to ride yet?...and not the town bike variety either!

yea got a bike paid for it last night. just gotta get up to the shore to pick it up. hopefully this weekend if i can get out of a few things.

[oldskool]

yea got a bike paid for it last night. just gotta get up to the shore to pick it up. hopefully this weekend if i can get out of a few things.

Cool. I'm on the shore, I'll pick it up for yah and have it ready for yah at the sandpit on Sunday... hehehe

[flyingcr250]

Cool. I'm on the shore, I'll pick it up for yah and have it ready for yah at the sandpit on Sunday... hehehe

ha ha ha i bet, just trying to get out of helping my bro with digging some post holes for his deck

ooooops have i gone off topic again. better stop before i get abused by the topic police

[oldskool]

ha ha ha i bet, just trying to get out of helping my bro with digging some post holes for his deck

ooooops have i gone off topic again. better stop before i get abused by the topic police

shhhh you might get them started...my guess is they've mellowed after their recent rant...best leave sleeping doggies lie.

But if you need somewhere, I'm on the shore and the offer stands (bike related)

[flyingcr250]

shhhh you might get them started...my guess is they've mellowed after their recent rant...best leave sleeping doggies lie.

But if you need somewhere, I'm on the shore and the offer stands (bike related)

nuff said,

i should be sweet thanks for the offer though.

[Ktmboy]

Anyway...moving along.

I have a moto that a few have heard before and its especially relevant for the sand. "Sit down to get tired, Stand up for a rest"

A couple of reasons for standing. Humai has already talked about when you sit then basically you become part of the bike. If the bike goes the wrong direction you don't have enough time to correct its momentum buy shifting weight, forward, back or to either side. Where as if you stand then its easy to very quickly move your mass.

Generally you will find that sitting riders can go well, but not for extended periods of time as they are continually fighting the "shift". Not only that they are having to get up and down continuously for just about every corner.

I have noticed that alot of guys use too much front brakes cornering on sandy berms etc. Hell my front pads are still like new after 200 hours. I hardly ever use front at Woodhill except in the tight. Where as on a clay track and in MotoX they get a hammering.

If you are standing then its real easy to use the asre end as a rudder by dragging the back brake whilst still under power around a corner. Its something I've sort of done myself(as well as dragging the back brake over whoops) for the last few months and its paying off.
In other words I'm going into a corner hot and still carrying that momentum around. Quite often the bike is horizontal whilst still standing, then I'm all set up for the next obstacle.
Another reason for standing is that its easy to weight the outside pegs quickly from corner to corner as long as you have your feet on the pegs, ah Spiked Punch (that glue still working on your boots?)

I do however "pop" (bounce on the seat, leg out, then gas on) around tight fast corners that don't have any berm, but its buggers me after a while of doing this.

Then its back to having a rest...standing.

[Keithf]

For the record
Noobi got up (and down) one of the more challenging hills out at Woodhill without any problems at all -The Big Dipper.

He also showed pretty good balance and form for most of the 2 hours with two people chasing him around who are just that wee bit faster and on bigger bikes.

He wasn't the only one to come a gutser a couple of times either-I just use the editors perogative and cut most of mine out.

[Ktmboy]

For the record
Noobi got up (and down) one of the more challenging hills out at Woodhill without any problems at all -The Big Dipper.

He also showed pretty good balance and form for most of the 2 hours with two people chasing him around who are just that wee bit faster and on bigger bikes.

He wasn't the only one to come a gutser a couple of times either-I just use the editors perogative and cut most of mine out.

Its not really about Noobi Keith, he rides good.This is about cornering in the sand.

We are evaluating Noobi's riding in the other thread.

[SpikedPunch]

Another reason for standing is that its easy to weight the outside pegs quickly from corner to corner as long as you have your feet on the pegs, ah Spiked Punch (that glue still working on your boots?)

Pretty good, needs a bit of reapplying every now and then

[oldskool]

Its not really about Noobi Keith, he rides good.This is about cornering in the sand.

We are evaluating Noobi's riding in the other thread.

For the record Kezza references Noobies riding skills based on the video a number of times in this thread and it is only fair that Keith qualifies the video by posting in here as it has been referenced. To Kezza's credit he apologises if Noobie takes it personally as it wasn't intended that way.

[telliman]

For the record Kezza references Noobies riding skills based on the video a number of times in this thread and it is only fair that Keith qualifies the video by posting in here as it has been referenced. To Kezza's credit he apologises if Noobie takes it personally as it wasn't intended that way.

but really, sitting down in sand??

[Ktmboy]

I'll post here so that i don't get more rap for OT threads... Not kidding at all Telli. I try to stand all day for most riding but find it's much easier to sit when cornering in unpredictable sand (maybe different on MX tracks but watching MX1 there aren't many standing when cornering at sand tracks like valkenswaard).

This is what i've been taught... What's your thinking Telli? who else does it differently?

Anyway as the thread title states and from the first post!!!(Littlejohn)

The reason for most front wheel wash outs is that by the time said rider realises that power should be applied its too late. They can't adjust their weight backwards due to the seated position.
Where as if they are standing then its easy to shift weight in lieu of throttle lag. At least it gives you impulsion to get the front up early on exit.

Another reason I drag the back brake is to ensure that I have power throughout the curve as the exit on a sand corner is the most important part.