Settling Maori claims. Someone explain.

[oldrider]

It never fails to amaze me how circumstances can change points of view and level even the deepest prejudices.

I will try to explain what I mean by the following.

People travelling overseas and far away from our shores and absent for quite a long time, who quite by chance, hear an accent from home can attest to what I mean.

All our preconceptions of "they" "them" or "that", go straight out the window, just bumping into somebody from home is like finding pure gold!

We cling to our heritage and roots (someone from home) with a desperation unmatched in any other circumstances and it has to be experienced to be appreciated.

So why can't we respect and appreciate each other with the same enthusiasm while we are at home!

Remember Kennedy calling to America something similar to the following?

"Ask not what New Zealand can do for you but what you can do for New Zealand"

[Robert Taylor]

of course there is an end in sight, every couple of years we make a large final settlement to settle all disputes

and then a couple of years later another large payment is made to settle all disputes

and then a couple of years later another large payment is made to settle all disputes

and then a couple of years later another large payment is made to settle all disputes

and then a couple of years later another large payment is made to settle all disputes

I had a guts full of this 10 years ago and left NZ for good as I was sick of being treated as a second class citizen

and then a couple of years later another large payment is made to settle all disputes

and then a couple of years later another large payment is made to settle all disputes

And is also relevant to add that if youve got ( for example ) 5% Maori blood in you then the 95% European blood you have is oppressing that 5%.
What a perverse mentality. The blame culture is alive and well in NZ and its not only the exclusive preserve of who got here first ( certainly not the maoris ) etc, ad infinitum.

[scumdog]

Pay out on a pro-rata basis.

You're 25% Maori - ya get 25% of the likely payout etc..

Why, in about 50 years EVERYBODY in NZ will get $27:86 each...."and everyone's a winner"

[popelli]

NZ has a unique people and a unique culture. Maori.

That is just one of the cultures, what about all the other cultures introduced by successive migrations of people to NZ

A unique Kiwi culture would include parts from all of the cultrures to make a unique blend, not have one culture dominate to the exclusion and detriment of all other cultures.

[ynot slow]

I thought indiginous(sp)meant those born in that country,not those who say they were here first(immigrantes),so on that basis all NZ people born in this place should be entitled to the dough.

Can remember 20 years ago the ex in laws wanted to sell some land(10acres) they leased off the local iwi,and buy 30 for same value closer to their farm boundary,to sell they needed 75% of the iwi sign the contract,they managed that and some older people couldn't write so signed by an x.The settlement went through a week before xmas,after milking that Friday we shot off to the local pub for a couple of beers before tea,a few of the local iwi were enjoying their payout,don't think we bought more than 2 beers,left about 8.30pm semi pissed.

Some got $500 others got $5000,the ones with the larger payout were able to amass more shares by buying their family and friends shares when they wanted money to buy anything from TVs or cars.Moral then was unscrupulous maori ripping off less fortunate ones,happened then will do so now.

[kiwi cowboy]

Hahahaha!!!

Have another read of what you have wrote............

You are saying that, had the European not arrived, there would be no "part breeds" to claim anything.
Soooooo.....what you are REALLY saying is that part maori are also part something else...European then??.....so we are all getting some benifet from any payouts....
...........seems to me It's a classic case of Dr Seuss's "Star Belly Sneeches"

On another note.......Just to put you right Grahameeboy.....In one of your previous threads [correct me if I'm wrong]...I think you were referring to the Morioris (you spelt it differently) as being here before the Maori.......they were NOT....as simple as that.

ONCE APON A TIME MOUI WENT FISHING

[kiwi cowboy]

lMAO,well done,was training a guy at work the last few weeks,told him to go to the office and ask for a "long weight" which he did,took him an hour and 1/2 before he finally clicked,we laughed our arses off.He went in there said "Mike told me to come and get a long weight" he was told "sure have a seat".

Son of a fella i worked for had this happen so went to the place he got told to go to and ask for a long wait and got told just a sec we will find one and this fella said he would wait outside cos it was hot inside and buggered off home for the rest of the dayGuess he had the last laugh

[scracha]

So, a signed contract has been broken and should be rectified.

Totally disagree. MANY other countries have broken treaties, nothing was rectified and for better or worse, life went, and still does go on. Why keep apologising? 'The Crown' should just turn around, say 'yes, we as the more advanced civilisation gave you the shaft. Now just be grateful we didn't slaughter you and get on with MODERN life'



Or am I just shit stirring

[Mr Merde]

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Or am I just shit stirring

Its a possibility but I am hedging my bets but letting my apathetic heritage take control.

[Skyryder]

Pay out on a pro-rata basis.

You're 25% Maori - ya get 25% of the likely payout etc..

Why, in about 50 years EVERYBODY in NZ will get $27:86 each...."and everyone's a winner"

Makes sense to me. But why wait fifty years?? I should be able to claim now for my future generations.


Skyryder

[Finn]

People travelling overseas and far away from our shores and absent for quite a long time, who quite by chance, hear an accent from home can attest to what I mean.

I remember many years ago when I was living in Stockholm meeting up with a maori. During his 10 years there he managed to breed with a Swedish woman who left him after the novelty of having a drunken warrior wore off, couldn't speak a word of Swedish and thanks to his half Swedish/Maori offspring managed to get on a benefit.

Actually, when I heard his "accent" I cringed.

Whenever I'm in London and hear that twangy kiwi accent fueled with alcohol, I find it hard not to dry reach and avoid at all cost. Dead beats.

[Quasievil]

I remember many years ago when I was living in Stockholm meeting up with a maori. During his 10 years there he managed to breed with a Swedish woman who left him after the novelty of having a drunken warrior wore off, couldn't speak a word of Swedish and thanks to his half Swedish/Maori offspring managed to get on a benefit.

Actually, when I heard his "accent" I cringed.

Whenever I'm in London and hear that twangy kiwi accent fueled with alcohol, I find it hard not to dry reach and avoid at all cost. Dead beats.

yeah go to the CHURCH here to see all the stupid Maoris on the piss....................hang on they are all white, bloody dead beats all right

[Katman]

hang on they are all white, bloody dead beats all right

That's right, they were all able to get passports.

[James Deuce]

Totally disagree. MANY other countries have broken treaties, nothing was rectified and for better or worse, life went, and still does go on. Why keep apologising? 'The Crown' should just turn around, say 'yes, we as the more advanced civilisation gave you the shaft. Now just be grateful we didn't slaughter you and get on with MODERN life'



Or am I just shit stirring

Even if you are shit stirring, you need to ditch the "more advanced" tripe. A couple of thousand Northland Maori, in their spare time, invented mondern warfare concepts, like trenches, strategic forts, bunkers, and pallisades with firing holes at ground level. They cost the British Empire the equivalent of billions of dollars, shipping increasingly large numbers of regular force troops to NZ. Individual tribes, not a Nation, embarrassed the British Empire. The only reason NZ wasn't another Afghanistan was the lack of unity between Maori, and the fact that their troops were part timers. Come harvest/planting time and only the old and infirm were available to "fight".

The treaty was engineered by the NZ Company and presented by the Crown. Both had very different expectations of what they'd gain from the treaty.

There was no totally successful military campaign fought and won against Maori as a whole. The treaty issues revolve around land appropriated without any consent, let alone payment. Of course once you have weight of numbers on your side because your logistics can move more people more quickly, the argument becomes moot. The current round of hand wringing is inspired by equal parts ignorance from both sides. It's the usual faith vs knowledge rubbish that is increasingly becoming a product of the "information age". Both sides believe in the immutable righteousness of their cause, and in my book that is evil incarnate. Religion should never be the basis of any attempt at justice, understanding, and forward planning.

[Quasievil]

Even if you are shit stirring, you need to ditch the "more advanced" tripe. A couple of thousand Northland Maori, in their spare time, invented mondern warfare concepts, like trenches, strategic forts, bunkers, and pallisades with firing holes at ground level. They cost the British Empire the equivalent of billions of dollars, shipping increasingly large numbers of regular force troops to NZ. Individual tribes, not a Nation, embarrassed the British Empire. The only reason NZ wasn't another Afghanistan was the lack of unity between Maori, and the fact that their troops were part timers. Come harvest/planting time and only the old and infirm were available to "fight".

The treaty was engineered by the NZ Company and presented by the Crown. Both had very different expectations of what they'd gain from the treaty.

There was no totally successful military campaign fought and won against Maori as a whole. The treaty issues revolve around land appropriated without any consent, let alone payment. Of course once you have weight of numbers on your side because your logistics can move more people more quickly, the argument becomes moot. The current round of hand wringing is inspired by equal parts ignorance from both sides. It's the usual faith vs knowledge rubbish that is increasingly becoming a product of the "information age". Both sides believe in the immutable righteousness of their cause, and in my book that is evil incarnate. Religion should never be the basis of any attempt at justice, understanding, and forward planning.

No that was a good post, kudos.

I loved the documentry series the new zealand wars, it was on a few years back, basically the Maori kicked the white fellas arses on numerous occasions.