Settling Maori claims. Someone explain.

[Bonez]

Well, there were plenty of them (Maori gingas and blondies) when I was a kid in Hawke Bay!

Especially up Wairora way eh? Had more frekles than my fellow siblings or myself.

[PrincessBandit]

... Us gingas are under represented so I propose a Ginga Party. Maori gingas welcome.

Yep, official representation seems to make all the difference

[scumdog]

So why did the Maori leave wherever it was they left to come to NZ?

Pro-active travel agent with great salesmanship???

Heard from the Poms it was a great place to go to??

[scracha]

why don't you racist folk just get honest, you hate maori people!

I don't hate any particular race*, we were all created equal and should be treated as such. It dismays me that racial separation increasingly seems to happen at school in this country and the powers that be actively encourage it. I have worked and lived with people of many different cultures and colour. ]
Why is not agreeing with the point of view that one particular group in this country should get special treatment considered racist? The vast majority of Maori land that was sold after the treaty was done fairly. For sure, there should be compensation for the minority of land that was confiscated. Maori were not the only people who got 'their land' confiscated after the treaty was signed, but that injustice has not and probably never will be addressed. So just who is being racist?



*.well..except the Belgians cos both times I visited their country they were without exception incredibly rude.

[trump-lady]

I am really sad reading this thread and seeing the tags to this thread. Im glad my ansesters can not see this crap. I am always proud to say I am Maori from New Zealand but I am not proud to say I belong to a group that has created such a thread.

I urge everyone to attend a tikanga Maori class. I could write for days in response to things I have seen on here (and in other threads ) but wont because I would become so upset at the inability for others to educate themselves before they speak.

The majority attitude here is typical and here lay the problem. I liken it so you can understand it:

Its like someone talking constantly to a professional biker about riding when they havent ever been on a bike and in reality just dont get it but think they do cause their grandfather had one.

Being brown doesn’t justify your mouth to run either.

I imagine that those who could run rings around these comments will not bother too as they have come to learn that some people just dont want to learn and are stuck on what they heard, were taught or saw.

If you want to speak about claims then take your ass to a tribunal case, go to the meetings, listen to the elders, educate yourself by participation NOT by reading what others interpretations are. Go to a lecture, sit in on college level class on Treaty claims, talk to those who dedicate their lives to defending the Treaty, be open to JUST LISTEN and ask them WHY they feel its so important
-not someone who hasn’t even heard of the three P's and then
..... maybe you might begin to speak on the topic.

If non riders gave us the same respect maybe we could make them undertand why we love to ride.

Nga Puhi descendant

[Rayray401]

Ok, i read the first 5 pages of this thread..but cant be bothered reading the rest, i would agree with trump lady there...but coming back to the question..where do the claims end? i mean surely..after taking into account for 150 years of inflation etc. its going to be billions..but surely there is an amount?

[oldrider]

I am really sad reading this thread and seeing the tags to this thread. Im glad my ansesters can not see this crap. I am always proud to say I am Maori from New Zealand but I am not proud to say I belong to a group that has created such a thread.

I urge everyone to attend a tikanga Maori class. I could write for days in response to things I have seen on here (and in other threads ) but wont because I would become so upset at the inability for others to educate themselves before they speak.

The majority attitude here is typical and here lay the problem. I liken it so you can understand it:

Its like someone talking constantly to a professional biker about riding when they havent ever been on a bike and in reality just dont get it but think they do cause their grandfather had one.

Being brown doesn’t justify your mouth to run either.

I imagine that those who could run rings around these comments will not bother too as they have come to learn that some people just dont want to learn and are stuck on what they heard, were taught or saw.

If you want to speak about claims then take your ass to a tribunal case, go to the meetings, listen to the elders, educate yourself by participation NOT by reading what others interpretations are. Go to a lecture, sit in on college level class on Treaty claims, talk to those who dedicate their lives to defending the Treaty, be open to JUST LISTEN and ask them WHY they feel its so important
-not someone who hasn’t even heard of the three P's and then
..... maybe you might begin to speak on the topic.

If non riders gave us the same respect maybe we could make them undertand why we love to ride.

Nga Puhi descendant

Get over yourself, you are free to be offended or not, this not racist and it's only unhealthy to those who allow themselves to feel offended by what is said.

Remember the old school yard chant:

"Sticks and stones can break my bones but words can never hurt me"

The only way these posts can hurt you, is if "you" let them!

Your's is the most offensive post I have read on this thread.

[trump-lady]

Get over yourself, you are free to be offended or not, this not racist and it's only unhealthy to those who allow themselves to feel offended by what is said.

Remember the old school yard chant:

"Sticks and stones can break my bones but words can never hurt me"

The only way these posts can hurt you, is if "you" let them!

Your's is the most offensive post I have read on this thread.

Saddened and offended are very different words, different meanings. I never said the words racist and while I support free speach... I wish (as with my bike example which clearly you didnt understand) that people would eduucate themselves before ranting on this topic or for that matter any topic.

If you find my words the most offensive then that is your call however please do not put words that were not used and twist what I said. Try reading again to get the context instead of making assumptions or perhaps I wasnt clear enough.

Im not OFFENDED. I am saddened. I said nothing about racism. I urged people to take active personal involvment in the topic and being open to learning BEFORE thinking they are an expert.

[The Stranger:Me]

I wish (as with my bike example which clearly you didnt understand) that people would eduucate themselves before ranting on this topic or for that matter any topic.

You must be an extreemly sad person if you get upset every time this happens as there are about 1.5 million posts on here containing uneducated ranting.

Is it co-incidence that you have apparenly only seen fit to raise this issue in this thread?

[trump-lady]

Havent been on KB for a while. Your right this kind of thing spurs a semi "tut tut" response but usually not one Im bothered to reply on. Guess I havent been on for a while, and this was the first thread Ive read on KB for a month or so so my usual awarness was heightened. Also had a death an attended a tangi couple weeks back so might be more sensitive than I thought

[MattRSK]

Hey

I haven't read this thread, well I read some of the first page. To all those people that have left New Zealand because they are sick of 'getting treated like a second class citizen', Thanks for leaving!

Regards
Matthew

[Whynot]

Hey

I haven't read this thread, well I read some of the first page. To all those people that have left New Zealand because they are sick of 'getting treated like a second class citizen', Thanks for leaving!

Regards
Matthew

Thank you too.

Glad i did

[popelli]

Your's is the most offensive post I have read on this thread.

add plus one to that comment

[Mr Merde]

Hey

I haven't read this thread, well I read some of the first page. To all those people that have left New Zealand because they are sick of 'getting treated like a second class citizen', Thanks for leaving!

Regards
Matthew

Isnt it a policy of the current government to attempt to encourage those persons who have left, to come home.

Hasnt it been shown that our country is losing the sort of people that we cant afford to see gone. Those with skills and experience that is of benifit to our country, the professional persons, the doctors, nurses, university graduates, scientists, entrepeneurs etc.

There used to be a saying when I was young

"NZ, love it or leave it"

I left after 25 years away I realised that the saying, in my case was the wrong way round.

It should have been (for me)

NZ, leave it to love it"

It is painful to me to see the country I do love so much in the situation it is in now. There is more tension and fear here than I have seen in a lot of the countries I have visited during my 25 years away.

When I came back I was supprised at the number of people who once they felt easier in my company openly responded to to topical events with the phrase

"Come the revolution......."

Healthy debate is good, very good.

Emotional rhetoric is counter productive.

I know which I would rahter hear.


Chris

[Katman]

talk to those who dedicate their lives to defending the Treaty

I can't help but wonder how many of those people "dedicating their lives to defending the Treaty" are in fact more interested in the huge income they derive from the whole claims process.

I bet the lawyers involved don't ever want to see the process completed.