Illegal Doco on TV2.

**ynot slow** · 10th July 2009, 12:05

And the military part of these arms shows requires nazi gear,along with the alies gear to give an insight to what weapons were used,have a mate who was in the infintry along with his brother,their dad had heaps of medals from ww2 and exhibited them at these shows.As mate was in infintry he was able to get firearms license by saying he was in the army,mind you that was 25yrs ago,his weapon was a .223 due to army using this calibre,he reckoned the amount of guys with this calibre instead of .222 was due to the availability of free ammo to those in the forces lol.

And best part was reporters lack of knowledge on rifles and workings,he didn't want to blow his cover by being ignorant(didn't stop him in doco presentation) to seller.Then being put in a dangerous situation palllease,he wasn't buying from the bronx.

When I got my firearms license at 17 I had to register the rifle,the firearms officer said he preferred to do register rifle,as license tells you who has one,not how many rifles you have.

Yes we have shitloads of unregistered owners with rifles,some changing address,and not contacting police,others don't renew license but keep rifle on the farm maybe,but those others are imported illegally or stolen from farms,hence rigid storage required,no longer able to leave in the garage cupboard without locks.

**Mr Merde** · 10th July 2009, 12:16

I've had a reply from the BCA

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**awayatc** · 10th July 2009, 12:42

Originally Posted by Timber020

In all fairness alot of tradesmen are cunts. And before you bitch, I am a tradesman.

Cunt................

Or did I misunderstand your post again....?

**The Stranger:Me** · 10th July 2009, 12:56

Originally Posted by Mr Merde

I've had a reply from the BCA

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Thank you for submitting a complaint through the BSA website.

Your complaint has been sent to TVNZ, the broadcaster responsible for TV
One and TV2. This is because broadcasters always deal with formal
complaints in the first instance.

You will need to look at the attached Television Code and let TVNZ know
the standard(s) under which you would like your complaint to be
considered. Please email TVNZ directly at:
Complaints.Committee@tvnz.co.nz

Once they have this information, the broadcaster will respond to you
directly, and it has 20 working days to send a written decision to you.

If you are dissatisfied with the decision you are entitled to refer your
complaint to the BSA within 20 working days of receiving it. Also, if
you do not receive a decision from the broadcaster within 20 working
days, you are entitled to refer your complaint to the BSA within 60
working days of the broadcast.

Please feel free to contact a member of our complaints team on 0800
366996 if you wish to discuss this process.

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Fooken moaning rednecks.
Guns should be banned anyway and the sooner the better.
Wont be long before we have our Columbine and everyone stands around wringing their hands wondering why. Well duh, it's not hard to figure out is it?
But hey, what's a few kiddies and cops for that matter, plenty more out there.

**jono035** · 10th July 2009, 16:32

Originally Posted by The Stranger

Fooken moaning rednecks.
Guns should be banned anyway and the sooner the better.
Wont be long before we have our Columbine and everyone stands around wringing their hands wondering why. Well duh, it's not hard to figure out is it?
But hey, what's a few kiddies and cops for that matter, plenty more out there.

Wow.

I've been target shooting for 3 years and hunting possums/rabbits for many years before that. My experience of firearm owners in generally has been entirely positive, with no 'rednecks' or people likely to do a 'Columbine' at all.

I'm not going to bother replying to the above quote because this individual has already made up their mind that firearms are bad for whatever reasons.

To everyone else: Firearms are tools. Firearms are sporting equipment. Firearms are no more dangerous than many other things that we interact with on a day to day basis, as I would expect motorcyclists especially to be aware of! Bows/crossbows on trademe, slingshots, high powered air rifles, throwing knives. Hell, there was a kid stabbed in Auckland central late at night with a 3" kitchen knife that could have been bought from the Warehouse for about $2. A firearm by itself is not inherently bad in the same vein as a person murdering their spouse with a kitchen knife does not make knives inherently bad.

Nothing is absolute, nothing is purely black and white. Anyone telling you this has their own agenda and should be treated with utmost suspicion. Firearms have been used for bad things, but in the same vein are used by hundreds of thousands of New Zealanders every year for hunting Possums, Goats, Rabbits, Deer etc. for recreation, to feed their families and to stop these animals destroying our pastures and beautiful native bush, which are two of New Zealands defining characteristics. Australia has some quite serious pest problems after responding to a tragedy with a knee-jerk firearms legislation change, and their population are no safer because of it.

Please think of these things before you condemn firearms as needless and evil.

I would also like to take the opportunity to extend an invitation to anyone in or around Auckland who would like to learn more about firearms and firearm safety to come to the Central Shooters Inc. target range on Nelson St in the city. Visitors nights are Tuesday and Thursday from 7pm to 9pm. We shoot .22 rifles and various .22 and centerfire (larger) caliber pistols there. Anyone who wishes to create an informed opinion for themselves (whatever that opinion turns out to be) is welcome. I am also happy to answer any questions anyone may have in PMs about firearms stuff in general within NZ.

**jono035** · 10th July 2009, 16:44

In terms of that documentary, it was obviously made by people with an axe to grind for people with a similar axe to grind. I have NEVER bought a single firearm or round of ammunition without being asked for my firearms license. This includes at the stores that I go to every week to pick up target ammunition and am recognised by the staff.

The guy shooting the .22 in the air was an idiot, but a .22 bullet at terminal velocity would do nothing more than give you a nasty rap on the head, resulting in a bump, a sore head and maybe a bit of bleeding. It will not kill you. More annoyingly would be it chipping your windscreen or the paint on your car/bike.

All bullets slow down the minute they leave the gun barrel. All bullets are still slowing down when they hit their target. All bullets are still slowing down when they reach their maximum effective range (the range where they start to lose their ability to penetrate objects). They will keep slowing down until they get to the speed that they will fall at. This is MUCH slower than they are fired at, and for long thin rifle bullets, generally they land side-on, so are even slower/less dangerous than the .22 perhaps? There was an episode of Mythbusters that tested this I believe.

**ManDownUnder** · 10th July 2009, 16:56

Originally Posted by The Stranger

Fooken moaning rednecks.

Bikes should be banned anyway and the sooner the better.
Wont be long before we have Biker Gangs destroying society and everyone stands around wringing their hands wondering why. Well duh, it's not hard to figure out is it?
But hey, what's a few people getting robbed, assaulted and murdered for that matter, plenty more out there.

... sorry - what was your point again?

**ManDownUnder** · 10th July 2009, 16:59

Just hold them accountable. The law is already there. They purchase guns without a license... throw the fucken book at them!

They go out of their way and premeditate the illegal purchase of guns... throw a fooken BIGGER book at them. Responsible shooters everywhere will be up in arms (good choice of words huh?) about this, just like motorb'cyclists will be about sweeping reforms that affect us.

Don't tar the vast majority by the stupidity of the distinct (and lawless) minority.

**The Stranger:Me** · 10th July 2009, 17:03

Originally Posted by jono035

Wow.

I've been target shooting for 3 years and hunting possums/rabbits for many years before that. My experience of firearm owners in generally has been entirely positive, with no 'rednecks' or people likely to do a 'Columbine' at all.

Yes, I saw a member of the local gun club on the news saying the same thing about one of the latest shooters too. Who'd have thought eh?

**Indiana_Jones** · 10th July 2009, 17:08

I was laughing and crying at how this sad cunt was trying to push his own anti-firearm message across as independent reporting.

-Indy

**jono035** · 10th July 2009, 17:10

Originally Posted by The Stranger

Yes, I saw a member of the local gun club on the news saying the same thing about one of the latest shooters too. Who'd have thought eh?

It's obviously firearms then! Firearms make you crazy, I'm astounded I didn't figure this out before!

It is illegal to even make people THINK that you have a gun and are going to cause them harm. There is already tonnes of legislation 'stopping' people from doing things like this, you really think a 'gun ban' will do it? I wish I lived in the world you've made for yourself in your head, it sounds nice.

**The Stranger:Me** · 10th July 2009, 17:11

Originally Posted by ManDownUnder

... sorry - what was your point again?

Right guns don't kill people, people kill people so hey they must be safe.
Ironically it is illegal for Americans to sell guns to Mexicans. Hell why not? guns are safe, we all know this, the Americans tell us so.

**jono035** · 10th July 2009, 17:16

Originally Posted by The Stranger

Right guns don't kill people, people kill people so hey they must be safe.
Ironically it is illegal for Americans to sell guns to Mexicans. Hell why not? guns are safe, we all know this, the Americans tell us so.

And cars kill people and knives kill people and arrows kill people and ropes kill people and hammers kill people... Your point?

That is a law that probably has more to do with making Americans feel better and nothing to do with keeping them safe. Same thing that further firearm restrictions will do in NZ (nothing but piss law abiding people off).

**The Stranger:Me** · 10th July 2009, 17:21

Originally Posted by jono035

And cars kill people and knives kill people and arrows kill people and ropes kill people and hammers kill people... Your point?

When was the last time a knife, rope, hammer or car weilded by a pimply deranged snot rag took out a bunch of cops? or a heap of kids before he could be over powered? How often does this happen.

Hell why shouldn't everyone have nukes? They will be even more fun, bigger bang and can kill even more people quicker than a gun. I can't wait to get mine.