Mass medication - our daily bread

[Hitcher]

Thank goddness for common sense is all I can say.

Your goddness probably knows that common sense is surprisingly uncommon.

[Mom]

Your goddness probably knows that common sense is surprisingly uncommon.

What can say

[AD345]

http://www.traditionaloven.com/artic...tives-to-avoid



Skyryder

Good grief thats a dodgy website:

nasty food additives

Any dangerous additives......should be listed.....as“Nasty Additives“

..many believe the product might still contain...

and thats in the first 3 paragraphs.

Emotive, anecdotal and biased are the first 3 words that spring to mind. I don't think I would be making any decisions based on info from there

[jono035]

Emotive, anecdotal and biased are the first 3 words that spring to mind. I don't think I would be making any decisions based on info from there

Yeah, the tinfoil-hat brigade really don't do any favours for the causes they support. The trick is to present information in a fair and un-biased way while avoiding looking like a complete and utter raving lunatic.

[Skyryder]

Good grief thats a dodgy website:






and thats in the first 3 paragraphs.

Emotive, anecdotal and biased are the first 3 words that spring to mind. I don't think I would be making any decisions based on info from there

The point I'm making is that there is a shitload of chemicals in our food that no one takes any notice of but as soon as someone ( the bakers association) gets up and jumps about adding a vitimin the public goes all ape shit about it.

After all adding vitimin B9 is nothing more than replacing what is lost through processing.

Skyryder

[AD345]

The point I'm making is that there is a shitload of chemicals in our food that no one takes any notice of but as soon as someone ( the bakers association) gets up and jumps about adding a vitimin the public goes all ape shit about it.

After all adding vitimin B9 is nothing more than replacing what is lost through processing.

Skyryder

H2O is a "chemical" as well.

The "bakers association" was only concerned that once people (consumers) realised that folic acid was being forced upon them in a dodgy attempt to address poor choices by a minority of the population they (the consumers) would very likely start reducing their bread consumption and thus the bakers income. Call it enlightened self interest.

Folate is not "lost through processing" as it is not present in most usual bread ingredients. The amount of folate naturally present in yeast is minscule

[Ixion]

I don't actually think that , in NZ, there is a "shitload of chemicals" in bread. Some things, yes.

But bread , in NZ , (yes, other countries are another matter) bread is pretty honest. Perhaps rather too much taken *out* of it, but that's another matter.

Which is why adding stuff to it , no matter how well intended, would be a BadThing. Precedents and such like.

Those of us who try to avoid the "some things" that do ahve "a shitload of chemicals " added to them would be upset to ahve to add bread to their avoidance list.

[jono035]

The point I'm making is that there is a shitload of chemicals in our food that no one takes any notice of but as soon as someone ( the bakers association) gets up and jumps about adding a vitimin the public goes all ape shit about it.

After all adding vitimin B9 is nothing more than replacing what is lost through processing.

Skyryder

It doesn't matter what it's called or what it is really, it matters what the effects are.

Bottom line: Someone somewhere has found that excesses of substance X increase your risk of prostate cancer. Goverment wants to put substance X in food. People don't like not being given a choice when it comes to their health (admittedly a good 80% of people probably make bad decisions, but the decisions are theirs to make.).

[Forest]

Folate is not "lost through processing" as it is not present in most usual bread ingredients. The amount of folate naturally present in yeast is minscule

Actually that's not true. Yeast is relatively high in folate.

According to the following USDA table, there's 164ug of folate in a 7g packet of yeast.

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcom...t/sr18w435.pdf

[MSTRS:Me]

As to the lack of choice.
That's not entirely true.
Vitamin B9 was not going to be added to organic bread.

I'm glad it's a moot point now, but why should I have been forced to pay moonbeams for a loaf of bread, bake my own, or ingest more B9 than may be good for me...just cos someone decided that bread was a good medium to get a particular vitamin into someone/s who are too thick/lazy to do it for themselves?

[Pixie]

All that they were asking was that 4.5 million people be medicated to prevent <40 veges being born a year!

Won't someone think of the children?

Even the vege ones?

[Naki Rat]

I'm glad it's a moot point now, but why should I have been forced to pay moonbeams for a loaf of bread, bake my own, or ingest more B9 than may be good for me...just cos someone decided that bread was a good medium to get a particular vitamin into someone/s who are too thick/lazy to do it for themselves?

Still preferable (and cheaper in the long term) to pay the premium for organic products than to pay indirectly via health and environmental problems by consuming the apparently 'cheaper' conventionally produced equivalents.

The movie FoodMatters explains the background to this situation admirably. Also available from your local health supplements store

[Forest]

Still preferable (and cheaper in the long term) to pay the premium for organic products than to pay indirectly via health and environmental problems by consuming the apparently 'cheaper' conventionally produced equivalents.

The movie FoodMatters explains the background to this situation admirably. Also available from your local health supplements store

Organic products are a crock of shit. Literally!

If the growers aren't allowed to use chemical fertilisers, then what do you think they use instead...

[Naki Rat]

Organic products are a crock of shit. Literally!

If the growers aren't allowed to use chemical fertilisers, then what do you think they use instead...

Soil for the most part, replenished with non-soluble mineral fertilizers as required often via a hot composting system which cooks pathogenic organisms present in compost ingredients.

[martybabe]

Well it seems like it's not going to happen now, at least not in the near future, maybe through the back door later on when we've all forgotten about it.

Through negotiation/pressure whatever, plans have been shelved to add Folic acid to bread and I'm pretty pleased with that but what still rankles is the position that the government took in the Q and A Program and subsequently. That being, that they could not be seen to be breaking the law and the agreement made with the Oz government, irrespective of the rights and wrongs of the chemical ingredient they were told to put into bread.

The science is light for proof of any harmful effects form adding Folic acid is what was repeated ad nauseum but they gave me the distinct impression that even if the science had been (Heavy) read arsenic, they would have been powerless to do anything about it, WTF, how about NZ people may be at risk from this supplement, Just Don't do it!.

I know that's a simplistic view and that, in their opinion, other trade agreements with OZ may have been put at risk but it's still a no brainer, kiwis health versus a possible loss of export benefits, pffft!