Cop radars?

[saltydog]

Anyone know how often these units need to be calibrated in order the reading be admissible in court?
And are they required to keep the valid calibration certificate in the vehicle incase a member of the public requests to see this certificate?
Has anyone got off a ticket because one of these 'certificates' was out-of-date?
Perhaps one of our coppers here on KB can shed some light?
I should have asked these questions of the copper that took my licence last week!!! (what a drama queen he was)

A devoit muslim never touches bacon.

[Max Preload]

Anyone know how often these units need to be calibrated in order the reading be admissible in court?

See here.

And are they required to keep the valid calibration certificate in the vehicle incase a member of the public requests to see this certificate?

No.

Has anyone got off a ticket because one of these 'certificates' was out-of-date?

Yes.

Perhaps one of our coppers here on KB can shed some light?

Possibly.

[saltydog]

So it appears that these units must be tested every year?

1/ 'Any testing must not be more than 12 months before the date of the alleged offence'. or..... 'Any testing must not be more than 12 months before the date of the alleged offence'.

And they can just get the unit tested anyway (only within 14 days of a hearing)

2/ In any proceedings where a certificate has been produced under this section, the court may, set aside the certificate and require the accuracy of the equipment or device to be established by evidence other than the certificate.

So it would take an on-to-it alledged speeder to ask to see, or arrange to see a copy of this certificate in order to take the case further?

Can I still request a copy of this certificate? (got ticketed on the 11th)

And if was found to be out of date.......what would my next step be?
Or just do the time?

What would you do?

[CookMySock]

I did see a list of "essential actions" for when you are stopped for speeding. It was list of things to ask the officer, and details to record. I don't know where I saw this, but it was bloody interesting. Anyone?

Steve

[Max Preload]

I would ask for a copy.

[jetboy]

I had a cop write me a ticket because he 'estimated' my speed. When I questioned him I asked to see the radar reading which was, conveniently, at 121km/h. I know that I was going under 115km/h (cruise control was set to 109km/h) so it smelled fishy.

I wrote a letter to the complaints authority and just got the standard reply back "take us to court". I paid the fine because it was easier and cheaper than going to the courts.

Due to the high volume of complaints surronding speeding fines I would have thought there would be some other way to content the fine.

[CookMySock]

I had a cop write me a ticket because he 'estimated' my speed. When I questioned him I asked to see the radar reading which was, conveniently, at 121km/h. I know that I was going under 115km/h (cruise control was set to 109km/h) so it smelled fishy.

I wrote a letter to the complaints authority and just got the standard reply back "take us to court". I paid the fine because it was easier and cheaper than going to the courts.

Due to the high volume of complaints surronding speeding fines I would have thought there would be some other way to content the fine.

This is exactly what happens when you play their game. Don't do it.

Wait for the computer printed notice and write in and make up a big bullshit story how you can prove you were under the speed limit (or tell the truth) and state that you and your expensive lawyers will see them in court, and watch THEM back down.

When you know you are right, tell them to get bent.

Steve

[jetboy]

This is exactly what happens when you play their game. Don't do it.

Wait for the computer printed notice and write in and make up a big bullshit story how you can prove you were under the speed limit (or tell the truth) and state that you and your expensive lawyers will see them in court, and watch THEM back down.

When you know you are right, tell them to get bent.

Steve

Unfortunately it costs alot to defend your innocence.

I am going through a situation with the police at the moment, where I am innocent (honestly) but defence costs (lawyer/court etc) actually outweigh the penalty... I'm not sure whether to plead guilty and get it over with or be out of pocket to defend my innocence.

It goes against my moral grain to 'admit' to something I didn't do, but if I can't really afford to defend it....what to do?!

p.s. sorry for thread hijack

[p.dath]

This is exactly what happens when you play their game. Don't do it.

Wait for the computer printed notice and write in and make up a big bullshit story how you can prove you were under the speed limit (or tell the truth) and state that you and your expensive lawyers will see them in court, and watch THEM back down.

When you know you are right, tell them to get bent.

Steve

You realise the "Crown" has no concern about the size or cost of your lawyers don't you? And you do realise you can't actually out spend the crown? After all, the crown is funded by taxation ...

[p.dath]

Unfortunately it costs alot to defend your innocence.

I am going through a situation with the police at the moment, where I am innocent (honestly) but defence costs (lawyer/court etc) actually outweigh the penalty... I'm not sure whether to plead guilty and get it over with or be out of pocket to defend my innocence.

It goes against my moral grain to 'admit' to something I didn't do, but if I can't really afford to defend it....what to do?!

p.s. sorry for thread hijack

When court is involved never try and take the line of defending what is correct. It will break you.

Always take the line of what will achieve the best outcome - no matter what the outcome is.

[idleidolidyll]

I did see a list of "essential actions" for when you are stopped for speeding. It was list of things to ask the officer, and details to record. I don't know where I saw this, but it was bloody interesting. Anyone?

Steve

I think you mean this thread. http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=84501

The cops, by the way, were VERY pissed off with the way it was going. Too close to the truth i reckon.
Know your rights and know what they can and can't do.

[saltydog]

That link is a good read, and recommended to all to have a look.
The 3 steps are at the bottom and outlined in RED.
Already commited to memory!

[ready4whatever]

build a bike that looks like a stealth jet (fairings dont bounce back signal, very very special coating that you'l need to buy off the u.s government)

[davereid]

The look-through error discussed in Idleys very useful link is particularly important for motorcyclists.

The key thing to remember is, the radar unit cannot identify the target vehicle.

If there are several vehicles in the beam, or potential beam area, there is no way the radar can say which one returned the processed signal.

The operator will, quite naturally assume that the closest vehicle, or the one he thought was speeding was the correct target.

The radar units give the operator a lot of confidence, its unsurprising that the cop genuinely believes you were speeding even if you were not.

[Renegade]

Unfortunately it costs alot to defend your innocence.

I am going through a situation with the police at the moment, where I am innocent (honestly) but defence costs (lawyer/court etc) actually outweigh the penalty... I'm not sure whether to plead guilty and get it over with or be out of pocket to defend my innocence.

It goes against my moral grain to 'admit' to something I didn't do, but if I can't really afford to defend it....what to do?!

p.s. sorry for thread hijack

i have often wondered if you were genuinley innocent and wrongly accused, whether you could then take the Police to small claims for the costs incurred by you because of them gettn it wrong??

As for the 3 questions, well they are pretty shit i reckon, how are you going to get off by asking those??

When ya nicked, ya nicked, we all know the rules

id like to add that a ticket should only be issued if the identification of said speeder has ticked all three boxes, them being: 1)visual I.D of vehicle travelling faster than limit, 2)radar readout of speed, 3) solid doppler tone,if you aint got those ducks lined up its no good, so when you hear them say "i picked u up coming round the corner or over the crest" thats then time to plan your defence.