Instilling a sense of conscience.

**PrincessBandit** · 23rd July 2009, 19:06

Originally Posted by SixPackBack

Brilliant.
Total fucken anarchy; I like it!
Think of the advantages:

No speeding tickets for the quick cahnts.
Weed out all the useless slow riders [Darwin takes control].
The remaining riders left after the initial rash of deaths can go forth and multiply creating a super race of quick cahnts.
Crashers are locked away from the bitches and cannot participate in the race of quick cahnts.

I would laugh but sadly think there is more than a pinch of seriousness in your list here. I'm sure there are a number of people out there who actually would like the idea of what you are proposing (tongue in cheek or not) who wouldn't give a second thought to wiping out, oops make that "weeding out" the "useless" other road users. I'd love to hear your list of what makes a "useless" rider (oh, except for slow, you've already named that one).

You knew there would be at least one bite to your shameless troll.

**Katman** · 23rd July 2009, 19:13

Originally Posted by Ixion

Yes. Provided that the speed and manner is safe (within generally accepted tenets of 'safe')

Do you think the testosterone that accompanies, and indeed fuels, a huge number of group rides comes "within generally accepted tenets of safe"?

**SixPackBack** · 23rd July 2009, 19:34

Originally Posted by PrincessBandit

I would laugh but sadly think there is more than a pinch of seriousness in your list here. I'm sure there are a number of people out there who actually would like the idea of what you are proposing (tongue in cheek or not) who wouldn't give a second thought to wiping out, oops make that "weeding out" the "useless" other road users. I'd love to hear your list of what makes a "useless" rider (oh, except for slow, you've already named that one).

You knew there would be at least one bite to your shameless troll.

Troll?....I'm a fucken amatuer compared to katman on crack

**scumdog** · 23rd July 2009, 19:39

Originally Posted by SixPackBack

Brilliant.
Total fucken anarchy; I like it!
Think of the advantages:
[LIST][*]No speeding tickets for the quick cahnts.[*]Weed out all the useless slow riders [Darwin takes control].

The second lot will wipe out out the first lot.

A win all round!

**SixPackBack** · 23rd July 2009, 19:43

Originally Posted by scumdog

The second lot will wipe out out the first lot.

A win all round!

Naturally the need for coppers will be radically reduced, so you might have to find a real fooken job

**scumdog** · 23rd July 2009, 19:45

Originally Posted by SixPackBack

Naturally the need for coppers will be radically reduced, so you might have to find a real fooken job

Nah, all sweet mate, don't ride a 'work' bike!

**caseye** · 23rd July 2009, 19:48

Real? LOL it's real enough and theres more an more fools out there need reeling in. Pity is there arn't enough real ones left in it to be effective anymore.

**swbarnett** · 23rd July 2009, 19:48

Originally Posted by PrincessBandit

who wouldn't give a second thought to wiping out, oops make that "weeding out" the "useless" other road users

Nature does this all the time, it's called natural selection. Humans are unique in that we have very nearly succeeded in wiping out the process of natural selection. Because we no longer have to learn to survive people don't bother. We need a bit of natural selection put back in to our lives. How long do you think jay-walking would last if car drivers who had green lights were suddenly allowed to run them down?

The legal system that we have built in the name of safety in conjunction with vehicle safety improvements has created instead a system where being a twat on the road (or anywhere else for that matter) does not come with personal consequences. The result of which is that we get more twats.

**SixPackBack** · 23rd July 2009, 19:51

Originally Posted by scumdog

Nah, all sweet mate, don't ride a 'work' bike!

Oh okay. We'll keep the REAL coppers on.

**Ixion** · 23rd July 2009, 19:53

Do you think the testosterone that accompanies, and indeed fuels, a huge number of group rides comes "within generally accepted tenets of safe"?

I have no idea.

I select the rides I go on with some care. I do not think any of them are accompanied or fuelled by testosterone.

Those I do go on, I have very seldom seen riding that would not fall within those tenets. Mistakes, certainly, but that is quite another matter.

The riders I know ride , for the most part anyway, in a sensible fashion. They want to stay alive. That does not mean that they never break the speed limit, though.

And in my own case my balls are much too small for testosterone to affect the way I ride. And I never speed, speed kills, this I know , for the gubbermint tells me so.

You complain of riders riding at 'reckless speeds". Of "going as fast as possible through blind bends". Of being "ghostrider wannabes" . Of being "testosterone fuelled". Those are very subjective and emotive allegations. No doubt such behaviour may occur. But in the world that i move (and ride ) in (and I think, that most riders move in ) , those are the rare exceptions. If you are able to instance widespread behaviour of the nature you complain of, then you should put forward the specific details.

As in everything in life , there will always be a small percentage of nutters. I do not think the percentage is much if any greater in motorcycling than anywhere else, like for like. Slinging wild accusations at motorcyclists in general is unhelpful and counter productive

Or, perhaps you need to chose your rides more carefully?

**Katman** · 23rd July 2009, 20:00

Originally Posted by Ixion

As in everything in life , there will always be a small percentage of nutters. I do not think the percentage is much if any greater in motorcycling than anywhere else, like for like.

**bogan** · 23rd July 2009, 20:44

It seems the thread has gone rather of topic, so ill try and go back to the orginal post, hopeless though my efforts may be!

Wictionary (the source of much great wisdom) defines conscience as:

The moral sense of right and wrong, chiefly as it affects one's own behaviour.
1949, Albert Einstein, as quoted by Virgil Henshaw in Albert Einstein: Philosopher Scientist,
Never do anything against conscience, even if the state demands it.

ie, you have to listen to your own sense of right or wrong, not katmans, not ixions, not anybody elses. Though of course others can use reason to change your own sense of right or wrong.

So this debate of what is acceptable riding behaviour is of no consequence to the original question.

It is the riders that ride in a manner which they themselves decide to be unsafe, this is where the term conscience applys, and where the focus should be had.

Of course I'm also aware of the fun some have bickering about the small stuff, if thats the case.....

as you were my good sirs

**98tls** · 23rd July 2009, 20:49

Originally Posted by bogan

It seems the thread has gone rather of topic, so ill try and go back to the orginal post, hopeless though my efforts may be!

Wictionary (the source of much great wisdom) defines conscience as:

ie, you have to listen to your own sense of right or wrong, not katmans, not ixions, not anybody elses. Though of course others can use reason to change your own sense of right or wrong.

So this debate of what is acceptable riding behaviour is of no consequence to the original question.

It is the riders that ride in a manner which they themselves decide to be unsafe, this is where the term conscience applys, and where the focus should be had.

Of course I'm also aware of the fun some have bickering about the small stuff, if thats the case.....

as you were my good sirs

Wonder who Clayton Weatherston (or whatever his name is) listened to,thank fuck he wont be riding for awhile.