I've been thinking...

[Grahameeboy]

You want a T-Shirt???.....

......and undies...........

[Ixion]

So you advocate that speed is the issue then..not confirmed by LTSA stats

Read what I wrote .

we don't WANT to teach the slow rider who never crashes to go faster. If he never crashes, that's all good.

What we need to do is teach the fast rider who crashes a lot how to stop crashing. Which may, or may not, involve persuading him to go slower.

I'll explain it in very simple words , just for you. Well, actually I probably can't get any simpler words. So we'll go through it again. Concentrate hard.

Some riders go slow , and don't crash. If they don't crash, there's no reason to teach them to go fast. What it said above .

Some ridbers go fast and crash. We need to teach them not to crash Which may, or may not, involve persuading him to go slower.

Get it? If a rider doesn't crash, then it doesn't matter if he's fast or slow. If he does crash, maybe he needs to go slower. Or not. So, NOT just speed related

Only your strange brand of illogic could have derived from the original a purported meaning clearly the exact opposite of that which was clearly written.

He who runs may rede. Unless he's a Pommy.

[Grahameeboy]

Read what I wrote .



I'll explain it in very simple words , just for you. Well, actually I probably can't get any simpler words. So we'll go through it again. Concentrate hard.

Some riders go slow , and don't crash. If they don't crash, there's no reason to teach them to go fast. What it said above .

Some ridbers go fast and crash. We need to teach them not to crash Which may, or may not, involve persuading him to go slower.

Get it? If a rider doesn't crash, then it doesn't matter if he's fast or slow. If he does crash, maybe he needs to go slower. Or not. So, NOT just speed related

Only your strange brand of illogic could have derived from the original a purported meaning clearly the exact opposite of that which was clearly written.

He who runs may rede. Unless he's a Pommy.

Funny cause I am not a Pommy.....I just read it the way it was written and kinda understand now

[Motu]

Trouble is the ACC stats are crowded with off road incidents, four wheel bike incidents, farmbike incidents and all of them go against our stats

I don't see the problem - they are motorcycle accidents,caused by people riding motorcycles.So it gets put on motorcycle registration...um,that's where it needs to go.I'm paying for all the dickheads that crash motorcycles - it doesn't matter what or where they ride,I'm still paying for them.Take responsibility for motorcycling - the whole deal,because it's ALL us.

[mossy1200]

I don't see the problem - they are motorcycle accidents,caused by people riding motorcycles.So it gets put on motorcycle registration...um,that's where it needs to go.I'm paying for all the dickheads that crash motorcycles - it doesn't matter what or where they ride,I'm still paying for them.Take responsibility for motorcycling - the whole deal,because it's ALL us.

Thats not really user pays if your paying registration for a road bike ,mostly acc content that is calculated on a combination of registered and unregistered bikes.Acc content needs distributed over the target group.
Your indicating that rugby union should pick up the bar tab for netball clubs seeing as they both throw around a ball.

[Motu]

No,because we are ALL motorcyclists...y'know,that warm glowing family feeling.Are they some sort of bottom feeding scum and not worthy of your superior attention just because they ride a dirt bike? I don't see why I should pay for some wannabe sportsbike rider riding well beyond his ability on public roads either....but he rides a bike...so,he's one of us eh?

[MadDuck]

No,because we are ALL motorcyclists...y'know,that warm glowing family feeling.

Now I know you really really mean that Motu

[Motu]

Of course I don't mean it - but everyone elses thinks they do....but just don't put it practice.

[mossy1200]

No,because we are ALL motorcyclists...y'know,that warm glowing family feeling.Are they some sort of bottom feeding scum and not worthy of your superior attention just because they ride a dirt bike? I don't see why I should pay for some wannabe sportsbike rider riding well beyond his ability on public roads either....but he rides a bike...so,he's one of us eh?

Comments are not directed at cross riders but at the way a small group of people fund a larger pool.regos at $300+ dollars is a joke.My point is that with more off road bikes than onroad these cost of injuries should be funded by the collective acc pool funds in the same way that any other sports injury is covered instead of loading figures onto one group which directly effects the pockets of those in that group.
I used to ride off road also and have no problem with acc footing injury payments as this is what acc does.Its the directing the costs onto my rego that I dont like.
The acc content is a direct result of misleading information collected by a form which has no ability to seperate a road injury from a off road injury.

then someone who most likely has never riden a bike in his/her life sends me an invoice/tax/bill/levy based on incorrect information.

Im also not suggesting off road vehicles be subject to acc levy.
Im not suggesting skis should be registered because skiing has the potential to be dangerous.
Im not going try to get tramping boots taxed because trampers get lost in the hills.
It would be good if stats were exact before number crunchers pass on costs.

[Motu]

Personaly,I don't have a problem with it.I do have a problem with paying ANY ACC costs for motorcycling accidents.Other people fucking up are costing me money.

[SARGE]

i can juggle 3 golf balls while standing up on the pegs and rolling downhill on a motorcycle.

Co-pilot will not agree to film the stunt however.

i just got a new vidcam ...

Im in ..


Seriously ...

[Big Dave]

I'll have my people talk t'your people.

[Mom]

You mean, getting bikers to admit that they're not perfect? Have we been on the same KB all this time or do you have a special one that only has honest people with insane powers of self awareness?

What do you play? FWIW I used to play piano to a reasonable level and never read the music.

Dave

Yeah well I like to look for the good in people eh mate

I play cornet, but can turn my hand to all brass instruments, found the trombone a challenge, my arms are just a tiny bit too short to reach the end of the slide eh. Once upon a time I conducted a brass band.

[Dodgyiti]

I think anyone can learn new and better/safer ways to ride.
Only problem is, the longer you have been doing it wrong for, the harder it is to avoid slipping back into old habits.
I am not able to take in and practice a lot of new things at once, as I found out at a rider training course. I can take in one or two things at a time, practice them and beat out the 'old ways'.
But too many new tricks at once is too much for this old dog.

[Voltaire]

I have two registered bikes, a dirt bike and I go skiing.....fortunately for me and ACC I can only do one thing at a time.....

I paid 1000 euros for a year to insure my Kombi in Ireland ..ouch
This included your personal cover as there is no ACC...its stictly user pays.
Insurance there meant there were no boy racers, cars much over 2 litres or large capacity motorcycles and rego was scaled to engine size.
In the two years I lived there I never saw a V8 outside a car show.
Go the EU.

When I lived in Aussie 20 years ago it was then over $ 300 for bike rego and over $400 for a van.

Recently on a trip to Shanghai I was told motorcycles are not allowed on the motorways and the govt is encouraging them to trade up to a car by letting them take the number plate accross.


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