If your job was to reduce road deaths what would you do?

[Hiflyer]

Aye? bye bye which birdie?

Are suggesting that a bin at +50kph with ATGATT = instant death? coz if you are then the fact I'm typing this is proof that you are wrong.

no Im not. I know of a couple of people that are living proof

all i'm saying is that it's only effective to a certain point....

[SPman]

Identify and replace anything that predictably hurts motorcyclists.

Other motorcyclists????

[Swoop]

Remove all road rules.
Remove all road markings and signage.

Permit everyone to ride/drive to the conditions they encounter.
If you kill another motorist, you are punished to the fullest (death penalty, forced to watch Shortarse St/Continuation St, etc).

[nosebleed]

no Im not. I know of a couple of people that are living proof

all i'm saying is that it's only effective to a certain point....

Do you guys even read what you write? Or just bash away increasing post count?
Are these friends living proof that they died at 50x kph?

You are wrong. You said ATGATT fails at 50 kph. I crashed at well past that and here i am.

[ready4whatever]

change attitudes. not sure how

[FastBikeGear]

Not ALL of em

Ban EJK from a bike ...Ive seen him ride!

[FastBikeGear]

Reduce the number of vehicles on the road.



Impractical. It works for helmets because there's a worldwide standard for safety, so we can say they need to be dot or snell certified.

To implement for atgatt you'd need to certify every piece of motorcycle clothing. Otherwise who's to say whether the jeans I'm wearing are ok or not....

Why not certify boots, gloves, jackets and make them compulsory? There are already CE certifications for body armour. Sure it will put the price up but I am getting sick of hearing about losers riding scooters with running shoes and being on ACC for weeks with plates in their ankles (mike you know who your are)

[mossy1200]

Full approved riding gear compulsory.
Graduated licence based on KW not cc.

[Mystic13]

Less motorcycle death per year per 10,000 riders.

How would you go about it?

Rightly or wrongly people respond to punishment and reward. People also have a sense of fairness.


Clean up road side hazards.
Clean up poor roads.
Improve rider training and testing.
Increase fines and add new ones.
Campaigns around driver practises and behaviour.

What rule changes would you recommend?

- Age and system stays largely unchanged.
- Maximum speed raised to 100kmph.
- Larger bikes be approved as per Oz etc.
- Practical testing to include skills that apply to the control of a motorcycle. Such as RRRS programme. Current tests don't teach or test counter steering, braking etc. These tests need to be done by motorcycle riders. The level of practical skill needs to be tested at each stage in terms of motorcycle control.
- introduce fines for not moving left on a multilane road. as per Oz.
- introduce fines for holding up the flow of traffic, either by a/ not moving over when there are "x" number of vehicles cued behind you or in passing lanes.
- introduce fines for vehicles that go slow on single lane roads say 80kmph but then speed up to over 100 when a passing lane occurs. It's reckless. If you're going slow holding up traffic then you should maintain your speed at a passing lane or slow so cars can pass you easily. Down country I eperienced a car doing 80k's in the single lane then speeding to 120k's in the passing lane. If we all obeyed the law then you'd never pass these people and be forced to do pass moves in more dangerous places.
- more serious fines and vehicle seizure for drink driving.
- significantly increase fines and seizure of vehicles for serious speed infringement.
(if you want to go real fast go to the track)
- actually fine people don't indicate for 3 seconds and fine ever more those that close the gap.
- big fines for at fault drivers in crashes, particularly serious crashes.
- big fines for crashes while driving where the driver was otherwise occupied.

If you know you could face a fine for crashing into the car in front in wet conditions will you leave more room?

What education, training and advertising would you recommend?

- Better rider education as per RRRS at least.
- ad campaigns around moving over and slowing down if you're going slow in a passing lane.
- ad campaign about sharing the road and letting people in so we all get home safely.
Ad campaigns at present target speed and drink offenders. They should target poor driving habits, this mentality of this is "my road" and you're obstructing me get home mentality. We share the road.
- Serious penalties for vehicular manslaughter. if you drive a 2 tonne missile you need to be responsible with that.

What roading changes would you recommend?

- Investigate the recent poor tar used. And stop it's use.
- Repair all sections of tar bleed.
- Encourage motorists to call in on road hazards to an 0800 number that goes to the specific council. This may be loose metal, materials etc.
Councils and transit are negligent in road maintenance to the point that it is unsafe for road users. Putting up "slippery when wet" signs because of excessive tar bleed is gross negligence.
- Horizontal boards sheets barriers placed below all armco barriers to protect motorcycle riders from injury. The same foe cheesecutters or better still their removal.
- Removal or cover for all hazards for the outside of a corner.

That's about it.

[scumdog]

I'd get rid of all speed limits but keep other rules.

That way the useless drivers/riders will sort themselves out

By possibly imbedding themselves into the side of you motorbike as you ride past?

Or will there be rule against that....

[Hitcher]

I would remove safety belts, driver's air bags, collapsible steering columns and the like from all motor vehicles. I would instead make it mandatory for a Dirty Great Spike(TM) to be affixed to the centre of steering wheels, stopping about 10cm short of the driver's throat.

I would remove all road signage, including that Stop and Give Way at intersections nonsense that apparently troubles so many, as well as all restrictions on speed. There would be no formal regulation as to which side of the road should be driven on, instead I would leave that to be negotiated in good faith by road users as necessary.

I would encourage people to drive whilst pissed, preferably using a cellphone at the same time.

Meanwhile I would go and lie on a beach somewhere for about two weeks, while road users became used to the concept of taking responsibility for their own actions and learning how to drive.

[Winston001]

Govern all vehicles to 80km/h.

3 strikes and you lose your license for life.

2 days mandatory driver/rider training a year.


No licence required for scooter riders as long as they attend the required 2 days training every year.

Wot he said.



Seriously? First I'd have to put aside the fact I ride a motorcycle. In fact sell it so my decisions wouldn't be biased.

The best law is that which is easiest to understand and put into practise. All of the excellent ideas about training days, grades of licences, certified ATGATT etc require an enormous bureaucracy. Do any of us really need more red tape?

So governing motorcycles to say, 120kph is logical and simple. Caught going faster - bike forfeited. Gone.


Do I want this? Certainly not. But it answers the question.

[jellywrestler]

i very nearly went off the road 2 weeks ago due to unmarked lose metal ( unswept roadworks ) then 2 corners later saw someone that had.

so what did they say when you rang *555 and alerted them to this problem so the next rider may not have to have the same issues as you did?

[Hiflyer]

Do you guys even read what you write? Or just bash away increasing post count?
Are these friends living proof that they died at 50x kph?

You are wrong. You said ATGATT fails at 50 kph. I crashed at well past that and here i am.

READ WHAT I POST!!

You asked if I was saying that a crash over 50kph = instant death and I said no I'm not and that I know a couple of people who are living proof of that (the fact that it doesnt mean instant death)

I never said ATGATT fails at over 50,

[Usarka]

Why not certify boots, gloves, jackets and make them compulsory? There are already CE certifications for body armour. Sure it will put the price up but I am getting sick of hearing about losers riding scooters with running shoes and being on ACC for weeks with plates in their ankles (mike you know who your are)

How would you make this work?

There is no way that little old NZ is going to convince the likes of Alpinestars to certify their gear for such a small market.

The alternative is to have a bureaucrat certify any new gear coming into NZ. Which will mean extremely limited selection, late arrivals of new products while they go through the hoops, and anything imported that's not "official" will be illegal to use.