NZ Police - why do they do it?

[AD345]

I was in no way trying to bait you, or make example for some point I might be trying to make, but since ya wanna take it that way, I'll play along.

I can do without sarcastic remarks, when I was genuinely just saying you might like it.

I assumed nothing about what you have or have not done, (although now I assume you pull your old wrinkled cock a lot).

Fuck it, why bother wasting my time when you would rather belittle, then converse.

Poor precious

LOL

OK THAT might have been unkind - but ya made me laff. There's no sarcasm in my initial reply to you. You're a bit paranoid there mate. I broke up my reply cos you raised a lot of points and I wanted to reply to each one of them.

Have another read through.

[Drew]

Poor precious

LOL

OK THAT might have been unkind - but ya made me laff. There's no sarcasm in my initial reply to you. You're a bit paranoid there mate. I broke up my reply cos you raised a lot of points and I wanted to reply to each one of them.

Have another read through.

Still reads pretentious/sarcastic the second and third times through to me.

I'll work on the theory I've gotten a wire crossed, and go on my happy little existence no worse off either way.

[reofix]

ok fine... they can stop the noisy little fucks and earn my ....admiration...

[Drew]

ok fine... they can stop the noisy little fucks and earn my ....admiration...

I'm guessing you live near where the boy racer scene gets around up there.

Tell me though, do you see it as a different thing for them to annoy you, than the skateboarders were to people trying to move around town before skate parks?

The councils and government paid for places for them to go, when they realised they couldn't get rid of them with legislature. Might come to something similar, for you to sleep more sound at night.

[reofix]

My admiration for the police will be complete when they enforce ALL the laws on ALL the people ... not just shooting the ducks in the barrel ... so to speak

[Drew]

My admiration for the police will be complete when they enforce ALL the laws on ALL the people ... not just shooting the ducks in the barrel ... so to speak

One could argue on your part, that the lack of consistency might be taken as disrespectful on their part.

The law is the law, and applies to us all. It would be arrogant for them to pick and choose where to enforce it.

[reofix]

Drew... my entire point is I want the law enforced ... and equally ...

[Max Preload]

The thing is, the law is Black and white. There are no grey areas, the law only changes when the circumstances change.

Common sense should come into it, but doesn't with "speeding" because of the emotive claptrap espoused by the Ministry of Propaganda, that tells us "speed kills". The problem is the lemmings that make up the general populace can relate to that even though it's a total over-simplification.

As for no grey areas... the recent amendment regarding lights on for bike also had an amendment to permit buses for stop in bus stops - they previously weren't allowed to - the regulation was clear on this. How many buses got ticketed? I'd hazard a guess at none because they pick and choose the laws they enforce. You'd be stunned at the number of laws you break in the course of each day - would you think it fair if you were penalised for all of them even though there was no consequence to your actions?

2. God the "trackdays" line is tired. The vast majority of people did not buy their bikes to go round and round the same 2 - 5 km of tarseal looking at Armco's for scenery. I'm hard pressed to think of a more tedious way to spend time on a motorcycle.

Fuck'n eh to that. Going around and a fuck'n round and getting absolutely nowhere.

He gave me the ticket for no WOF $200 regardless of the fact it was only two weeks out and I had it booked in, it just so happens I know about the 14 days you have to get it done. It's actually part of the law.
The police have tried to change it, (under John Banks) but failed to get political support for it.
It's the same as if you get caught for not having your license on you, they may fine you but you actually have 7 days (I think it's 7 days) in which to present at your local police station with it. Cops don't tell you that though do they

You'd be completely wrong on both counts. There's no automatic compliance grace period for either. In fact, I can't think of a single motor vehicle or drivers licence offence that does have such a grace period for remittance of the penalty.

Of course there are sure to be cretins that think having evidence of inspection affixed to their bike in the prescribed manner guarantees their bike is roadworthy and don't even look at it for another 6 months (except, of course, to fit bullshit like yoshimura bar end weights or LED indicators).

[smoky]

Common sense should come into it, but doesn't with "speeding" because of the emotive claptrap espoused by the Ministry of Propaganda, that tells us "speed kills". The problem is the lemmings that make up the general populace can relate to that even though it's a total over-simplification.

Good points

You'd be completely wrong on both counts. There's no automatic compliance grace period for either. In fact, I can't think of a single motor vehicle or drivers licence offence that does have such a grace period for remittance of the penalty.

You're wrong

[p.dath]

-rant mode on-
I'll be blunt. I think our justice system is fucked.

I hold the judiciary to blame for a lot of it. The courts simply fail to work.

I wonder why the Police even bother charging people sometimes.

Two recent cases. The group of Maori that performed an exorcism, killed a person, got community service. Second case, 15 year old boy raped someone and got a jail sentence.
Which is worse, murder or rape?

What the hell has this got to do with this thread? The Police are tasked with enforcing the law, nothing more. Maybe when you've had your fifth murderer in a row get off it might feel nice to give out a couple of speeding tickets. At least something in your job is going right then.

Speeding tickets are a minor thing, and the least of our worries. Lets all chill out and acknolwedge when we get one that we scewed up and have a laugh about "how they got us".
-rant mode off-

[pritch]

You're surely not gonna try and defend this? It's practically entrapment for the purpose of revenue gathering only - nothing too do with road safety

WTF? The guy was clearly over the limit. We've been advised on here before that the limit applies all the way to the sign.

OK so the OP was pissed-off, nobody likes getting fined. He was however totally the author of his own misfortune. He should just pay up and learn what ever he can from the sad experience.

Oh and since the cops are about four mil short on their national quota he may be outa luck with getting the WoF fine dropped. That'll be interesting.

[smoky]

Oh and since the cops are about four mil short on their national quota he may be outa luck with getting the WoF fine dropped. That'll be interesting.

It's interesting how many people think they are 'experts' on this subject - when they know nothing about it

[FJRider]

-rant mode on-






Two recent cases. The group of Maori that performed an exorcism, killed a person, got community service. Second case, 15 year old boy raped someone and got a jail sentence.
Which is worse, murder or rape?

What the hell has this got to do with this thread? The Police are tasked with enforcing the law, nothing more.

Speeding tickets are a minor thing, and the least of our worries. Lets all chill out and acknolwedge when we get one that we scewed up and have a laugh about "how they got us".
-rant mode off-

Police are tasked with enforcing the law ... yes

The Courts are tasked to decide penaltys (if any) for breaches of law that they have been charged with. (by Police)

Penaltys for those charges usually depend on intent to commit the offence charged. The Court decided the group did not [B]intend[/B] to kill that person during the exorcisim. The court did decide that the 15 year-old did intend to rape that person. As do many on site here ... intend to speed. They also intend to ride/drive their vehicles when they know the WOF has expired.

[Max Preload]

You're wrong

Nope.

Requirement for driver to be licensed and produce that license without delay.
Offence for failure to do so.

Requirement for display of evidence of inspection.
Offence for failure to do so.

You'll note there is no mention anywhere of your RIGHT to any cancellation of the infringement offence if the licence is produced or the vehicle brought into compliance.

Over to you.

[Metalor]

Just thought I'd point out here that not all cops are pricks like this.

I have 2 uncles in Napier who are cops and they both don't like the whole traffic officer thing. One heads the hawkes bay armed defenders squad and the other has been a cop for a numbr of years. Second said uncle only gave out TWO tickets in his whole compulsory period of being a traffic cop (which is something like 9 monthsm don't quote me on this) and that was ONLY cos they were being smart bastards.

I think you'll find that a lot of cops would disagree with a lot of what goes on i traffic offence ticketing but there's fuck all they can do about it.