US bikes for sale

**Robert Taylor** · 17th August 2009, 18:17

Originally Posted by krasher

Yeah, that's what I thought. Its the CBR1000 for 3.5k US that had my attention. They are dry so wouldn't need cleaning.

The dirt bikes get no warranty anyway (not over there anyway). Well, hugely limited, so the risk isn't huge. Buying one is a risk period.

What warranty do u get here on a brand spanking new dirt bike?

With the 1000 the known ( and expensive ) issue wont likely have been fixed and no NZ dealer would touch it with a bargepole without charging the true time and at their hourly rate. They wont have had a profit on the sale to offset the poor reimbursement rates for warranty.
Competition bikes usually only have a very limited parts warranty nor should they have anything more liberal given that they are highly stressed competition machines. But sometimes a fault may occur that reasonably is a manufacturing defect. If you dont buy locally ( and support your locals ) and something expensive happens then you are up the creek without a paddle.

**krasher** · 17th August 2009, 18:55

I appreciate your one sided perspective, but as a consumer who has spent local on mountain bikes, had them break, then had no support, I have decided to take matters into my own hands and manage the risk myself - and while at it, offer others the same opportunities.

Every shop/industry is different. But one thing is always the same...its all about managed risk. You pay more because you are paying for support/backup etc. If you don't need/want or believe this will happen, then stuff paying for it. That is being polite. I am sick of being ripped off by companies who sell stuff to stupid prices that are not justified by the backup that they supply.

**tommorth** · 17th August 2009, 19:10

warrantys on dirt bikes are usually crap but they are classed as race machines. but somehow husky manages to offer a 2year warranty on there bikes if I was buying new thats where I would be spending , and looking around at the toad seemed like a few others thought the same.

**Robert Taylor** · 17th August 2009, 19:34

Originally Posted by krasher

I appreciate your one sided perspective, but as a consumer who has spent local on mountain bikes, had them break, then had no support, I have decided to take matters into my own hands and manage the risk myself - and while at it, offer others the same opportunities.

Every shop/industry is different. But one thing is always the same...its all about managed risk. You pay more because you are paying for support/backup etc. If you don't need/want or believe this will happen, then stuff paying for it. That is being polite. I am sick of being ripped off by companies who sell stuff to stupid prices that are not justified by the backup that they supply.

''RIPPED OFF'' is a term too freely and emotively used and is so often wide of the mark. The balance sheets of those you point the finger at would most often more accurately reflect that they are ripping themselves off, when you look at the net profit. But I dont expect you will understand that.

**oldskool** · 17th August 2009, 20:03

Originally Posted by krasher

I appreciate your one sided perspective, but as a consumer who has spent local on mountain bikes, had them break, then had no support, I have decided to take matters into my own hands and manage the risk myself - and while at it, offer others the same opportunities.

Every shop/industry is different. But one thing is always the same...its all about managed risk. You pay more because you are paying for support/backup etc. If you don't need/want or believe this will happen, then stuff paying for it. That is being polite. I am sick of being ripped off by companies who sell stuff to stupid prices that are not justified by the backup that they supply.

Well said!

There is always 2 sides to the coin toss isn't there. In this case, a peace of mind insurance buying a local bike or playing the speculation game and importing one yourself.

A good fallback Plan B for the speculator, and using the corporate pirate model as a good example, and assuming the worst case - mechanically the bike fails, you can always break it down and sell it off for parts. History shows you tend to make your money back with bonuses included, such as keeping other bits and pieces that came with it. This is how the corporate pirates rape and pillage big business. It's been a common business practice with NZ corporate for years and years. I remember the 80's well. Plenty of get rich quick fat cats who destroyed generations of kiwis then.

What I don't understand is this NZ 'loyalty' stigma that keeps being raised. Who or what are we, the plebs of NZ, supposed to be loyal to? NZ business? Old Money? Sounds like a brainwash to keep giving the business owner a lifestyle they've enjoyed in a protected 'Retail' market over the last 40 years. Time to give some others a break so others can enjoy a lavish lifestyle with multiple bathroom mansions and 3 cars, a boat and a bach all paid off.

In terms of economy what you are doing is ensuring money is being circulated at the lower end of the food chain, which has got to be good for the economy! This way the money makes it's way up to the rich in new cycles.

Good on yah krasher, you have my support!

**krasher** · 17th August 2009, 20:20

Originally Posted by tommorth

warrantys on dirt bikes are usually crap but they are classed as race machines. but somehow husky manages to offer a 2year warranty on there bikes if I was buying new thats where I would be spending , and looking around at the toad seemed like a few others thought the same.

Wow, can't argue with that. I asked the shop in the states about warranties when I was researching importing and he said it was pretty much irrelivent on dirt bikes due to them being made for racing.

**Robert Taylor** · 17th August 2009, 20:37

Originally Posted by oldskool

Well said!

There is always 2 sides to the coin toss isn't there. In this case, a peace of mind insurance buying a local bike or playing the speculation game and importing one yourself.

A good fallback Plan B for the speculator, and using the corporate pirate model as a good example, and assuming the worst case - mechanically the bike fails, you can always break it down and sell it off for parts. History shows you tend to make your money back with bonuses included, such as keeping other bits and pieces that came with it. This is how the corporate pirates rape and pillage big business. It's been a common business practice with NZ corporate for years and years. I remember the 80's well. Plenty of get rich quick fat cats who destroyed generations of kiwis then.

What I don't understand is this NZ 'loyalty' stigma that keeps being raised. Who or what are we, the plebs of NZ, supposed to be loyal to? NZ business? Old Money? Sounds like a brainwash to keep giving the business owner a lifestyle they've enjoyed in a protected 'Retail' market over the last 40 years. Time to give some others a break so others can enjoy a lavish lifestyle with multiple bathroom mansions and 3 cars, a boat and a bach all paid off.

In terms of economy what you are doing is ensuring money is being circulated at the lower end of the food chain, which has got to be good for the economy! This way the money makes it's way up to the rich in new cycles.

Good on yah krasher, you have my support!

The peoples flag is not brightest red and you are tarring all NZ business with one brush it seems.
You get out of the lower end of the food chain by hard work and ambition, dont knock those who have been successful without callously treading on peoples toes to get there. And where does the biggest tax base and employment come from, BUSINESS.

**oldskool** · 17th August 2009, 21:01

Originally Posted by Robert Taylor

The peoples flag is not brightest red and you are tarring all NZ business with one brush it seems.
You get out of the lower end of the food chain by hard work and ambition, dont knock those who have been successful without callously treading on peoples toes to get there. And where does the biggest tax base and employment come from, BUSINESS.

And what is Krasher trying to do? It is 'you' trying to squash his attempt at getting out of the lower end of the food chain. 'You' and 'your' pointed finger accusations. What is wrong with a new kid on the block, or is this not allowed?
Me thinks it is 'you' who is the one getting personal in this thread.

**Ktmboy** · 17th August 2009, 21:01

At the end of the day you guys are not looking at the big picture.

Is $1,500 profit too much to ask on a $12,000 bike when there are all the other expenses attached that joe bloggs, the non business owner, has no idea about that come attached with owning a business.
I bet you are not paying tax on your little importing idea. Quote "The fireblades are new 08's and would need new reflectors and on road stuff sorted and are about 4k USD$ plus shipping plus some coin for me for mucking round with it."
So add the GST/Tax/Insurances/ Wages on top and see what the true value is. Its just under valuing the product and undermining an economy.

Bottom feeding for want of a better word!!. Do you all like cheap Chinese imports? Well IMO thats really very similar.

Do it for yourself thats fine. But when you go touting for business that is legally wrong(if you aren't paying the dues like others) then thats a different kettle of fish and you cannot then compare apples with apples on price because you don't have the same overheads. You then then make it hard for dealers to survive and they go out of business.

"Oh dear its a day before race day and you need a piston". Sorry buddie stiff bics. Are you getting the picture now.

Heres a similarity.Well sort of.
I run a bike park as most know, part time. Yes I still need the day job. We have huge over heads(the tractor clunked last week so 45k for a replacement).
For a couple of months we have been in discussion with another private forestry block owner on South head. Best riding in the whole of Woodhill.

Well a few fuckwits from Silverdale have been illegally riding rather than paying like 99.9% of others do to ride. Well the second round of the two man has changed location because the land owner told us to go and get fucked because offroad motorbike riders are all dick heads. A few buggered it for the rest.

Not really the same but its similar. So do it for yourself but don't go stuffing up an economy because that affects a far greater population and peoples lively hoods.

End of rant

**Max Preload** · 17th August 2009, 21:09

Originally Posted by Ktmboy

"Oh dear its a day before race day and you need a piston". Sorry buddie stiff bics. Are you getting the picture now.

You're talking about local dealers now, aren't you? "That (insert consumable part here) will be 6 weeks ex-japan".

**Robert Taylor** · 17th August 2009, 21:16

Originally Posted by oldskool

And what is Krasher trying to do? It is 'you' trying to squash his attempt at getting out of the lower end of the food chain. 'You' and 'your' pointed finger accusations. What is wrong with a new kid on the block, or is this not allowed?
Me thinks it is 'you' who is the one getting personal in this thread.

Not at all, I subscribe to the etiquette of doing business properly and respecting that there are those with huge investment and long term committment to do so. This guy is just picking the eyes out of it and he knows it.

**jt119** · 17th August 2009, 21:16

Originally Posted by Max Preload

You're talking about local dealers now, aren't you? "That (insert consumable part here) will be 6 weeks ex-japan".

(or ginga Rodney cops...) lol

**Ktmboy** · 17th August 2009, 21:19

Originally Posted by Max Preload

You're talking about local dealers now, aren't you? "That (insert consumable part here) will be 6 weeks ex-japan".

Yes I am. It goes hand in hand with stock and the cost of holding product. The warehouse rent, marketing, promotions,staff etc etc.
If we diminish the infrasturue we become a banana republic. Zimbabwe, Fiji.

I see what Krasher is doing and if he wants to do this for himself then its up to him.

But when he is openly touting to be the middle man then there must be a cost associated with this other wise the industry becomes disjointed.

**oldskool** · 17th August 2009, 21:25

Originally Posted by Robert Taylor

Not at all, I subscribe to the etiquette of doing business properly and respecting that there are those with huge investment and long term committment to do so. This guy is just picking the eyes out of it and he knows it.

Oh, okay, I stand corrected!