NZ Police - why do they do it?

[smoky]

Edit: Exactly what fuckin freedoms do you not have? Fuck off some place else if it's so bad here.

Are you really that tightly strung?
You don't need to get upset because I don't agree with you?
it's alright to have a different opinion (even if you can't articulate one)
Do you think NZ is just for you and your small minded friends, and Posts on KB should all agree with your perception of life - if they don't then you'll give them some abuse?

You should join the police - you'd fit in real well there
You could lock up a few darkies, bash a few homos and throw those bloody slanty eyed devils off the wharf so they can swim home - that's a bit of you isn't it.

[smoky]

So here you are.. Saving the world via KB.... !!!

No - just winding up a few morons

[boomer]

No - just winding up a few morons

you be careful.. any tighter you'll pop

[Drew]

Are you really that tightly strung?
You don't need to get upset because I don't agree with you?
it's alright to have a different opinion (even if you can't articulate one)
Do you think NZ is just for you and your small minded friends, and Posts on KB should all agree with your perception of life - if they don't then you'll give them some abuse?

You should join the police - you'd fit in real well there
You could lock up a few darkies, bash a few homos and throw those bloody slanty eyed devils off the wharf so they can swim home - that's a bit of you isn't it.

It would seem I am that highly strung. What exactly is worth getting wound up for, if not something you believe in?

I believe New Zealand is for those in it legitimately (even if I dont agree with all immigration law), paying taxes.

No one need agree with me, any more than they do your statements of fact as you perceive them. Kinda makes you a hypocrite methinks.

And you do realise I'm a gay man, of Maori decent, with an asian boyfriend?

That articulate enough for ya?

[smoky]

It would seem I am that highly strung. What exactly is worth getting wound up for, if not something you believe in?

I believe New Zealand is for those in it legitimately (even if I dont agree with all immigration law), paying taxes.

No one need agree with me, any more than they do your statements of fact as you perceive them. Kinda makes you a hypocrite methinks.

And you do realise I'm a gay man, of Maori decent, with an asian boyfriend?

That articulate enough for ya?

So you can actually put a sentence together?
I don't care if people don't agree with me, I expect it
I also expect abuse from people who are less than articulate

I wouldn't post on KB about speeding, police, gay people, race, religion, politics, immigration, or just about any subject - with out expecting to receive abuse or opinion contra to mine

[Drew]

I wouldn't post on KB about speeding, police, gay people, race, religion, politics, immigration, or just about any subject - with out expecting to receive abuse or opinion contra to mine

So, with that attitude in mind, do you think anyone else around here expects to be taken seriously? And all those of us who dont, might all just post for the sheer entertainment of it?

To put it a different way, I know a few people around here in the real world, could one of those people please post when they last had a political conversation with me?

Dont hold your breath waiting for a reply to that by the way.

Peace out.

[Dooly]

I wouldn't post on KB about speeding, police, gay people, race, religion, politics, immigration, or just about any subject - with out expecting to receive abuse or opinion contra to mine

Can we post about waving, or the secret KB wave?

[Drew]

Can we post about waving, or the secret KB wave?

The first rule about the secret KB wave is...We dont talk about the secret KB wave!

[ManDownUnder]

Don't tell me you still believe in the meaning of democracy ?

Sure do - and I understand the impact of capitalism on lawmaking.

Our so called western democracy has long ago been hijacked by market forces and capitalistic values - they perpetuate the virtual reality that is touted as freedom

In respect of freedom ... I'd say NZ actually has a pretty good balance.

Those who enter politics may start with great ideals, but soon degenerate to hold on to power

reasonably true - sadly, but then the counter to that is people tend to vote for policy (i.e. the party( rather than personality (the person). Harry Dynhoven is case in point for me. GREAT guy - known him for years... but Labour policy? Nope! Not gettign my vote

The English language has developed in such a manner, that more often than not, what is said has a different reality for each individual truth - it is the tool of the wise and corrupt

ummmm... yeah... ok. I think you'll find miscommunication happens in most spheres, with most languages to a minor degree at least.

To avoid disillusionment with human nature, we must first give up our illusions about it. Abraham H. Maslow

To give up our illusions about human nature we must first be sure we have a complete and accurate perspective on it, which cannot be done through the eyes of any given individual unless they have a comprehensive understanding of their personal bias, inclination to filter information, apply their unique individual set of experiences on it and are able to understand that same set of subjective interpretation limitations imposed by everyone commenting on the subject.

Learning to do all the above can only be done from others as this is not an inherant skill natrually possessed by any at birth and can certainly not be done in total isolation, which immediately brings a comprehensive array of frustrating factors into play which are impossible to remove from the situation due to the self referencing nature of learning about the way people think... from the very thinking of other people.

Ergo - it can't be done.
MDU

Do I win? (Watch how you take that - you might be misreading what I wrote... oh - and check my siggy too.)

[gatch]

Got a ticket yesterday; that makes 9 in 20 years

I was heading home from work, down thru Huntly toward Hamilton
been past the township, past the quarry, 200 meters from the open road signs in a 70k area - see the cop on the other side of the road, check the speedo - 80ish Klm/Hr

I thought I'd be ok, being so close to the open road sign and all, but no

pulled over and fined for 84 klm/hr, $80
And wouldn't ya know it - my WOF was over due by two weeks - fine of $200 (it was booked in to be done - along with a service next week)
Went to the nearest testing station before they closed and got the WOF, so hopefully won't have to pay the $200

I'd been doing around 70 all the way along that overly extended limited speed area thru Huntly (behaving myself) and was merely slowly increasing my speed toward the open road - I just think giving people tickets for that kind of speed 200 meters from an open road sign is completely antagonistic, and just breeds contempt for the police. It could've been palatable if there was a school nearby, an intersection, lots of traffic or some other potential hazard? But there's not. what an arsehole

My question is; due to the fact I have exceeded the speed limit at times and not been caught, should I just accept this kind of wanky behavior and not let it annoy me ?
What on earth does the cop think he's achieving? Policing people 200 meters away from an open road sign and a piece of road with no real dangers or hazards?

Quite a conundrum man.. In answer to the original question I would say just accept it and move on, we've all been there, we like to feel in-justiced when handed a ticket when really we knew that we were breaking a well documented, understood and most importantly sign-posted law.

I think you should even count yourself lucky that you got off the no-warrant part, as for the speeding ticket, I'm betting you abysmally failed the attitude test..

0800 tissue for you man

[smoky]

In respect of freedom ... I'd say NZ actually has a pretty good balance.

Better than most places, but room for improvement, our freedom is often limited by our interpretation and perspective of freedom; freedom to speak out 90% ok
freedom to get out and explore a fantastic country 80% ok, getting more difficult
freedom to travel 80%
But how do you rate our freedom of choice
and I do think some freedoms are more obtainable to the wealthy
But yes we do live in a predominately free world; once we reject the pull of the capitalist greed - the desire to have

but then the counter to that is people tend to vote for policy (i.e. the party( rather than personality (the person). Harry Dynhoven is case in point for me. GREAT guy - known him for years... but Labour policy? Nope! Not gettign my vote

It would be fine if the masses were actually interested in the facts, unfortunately elections become a popularity contest of personalities - a bit like a TV reality program

I think you'll find miscommunication happens in most spheres, with most languages to a minor degree at least.

I was more reflecting on how well our vocabulary has developed with words that may sound like a politician is agreeing with you - but words can have double meanings - and they use them well

To give up our illusions about human nature we must first be sure we have a complete and accurate perspective on it, which cannot be done through the eyes of any given individual unless they have a comprehensive understanding of their personal bias, inclination to filter information,

I have no illusions about that

[atothek]

seems like a lot of people are forgetting the simple truth that members of the police are people like anyone else. in any proffession their will be a certain percentage of assholes. the problem with the police is that they are constantly under the microscope so any time someone feels they have been unjustly pinged for something they immediately point the finger and complain that 'someone somewhere was doing something worse than me (beating wife, child etc) so the police are only revenue collecting if they have all this spare time to enforce the traffic laws'.

They quickly forget a few pertinent facts - they broke the law - small or big it was broken and the easiest way to avoid getting a speeding ticket is not to drive faster than the posted limit. black and white. if you want the law changed there are methods to get this done, if it's too much effort then maybe you're not that commited to your cause. Just because there is a 'national police shortage' it doesn't mean that every district is short. So if there is a rape in the other end of the country at the same time you got your ticket it's not likely the cop will race off to attend. In saying that just because there is a backlog of other types of crime doesn't mean they pull everyone off traffic. I don't think calling him a wanker for giving you a ticket, however close to the speed sign he got it, is justified. He's doing his job, just because you were not on the side of his descrestion you wanted to be doesn't automatically make him a bad dude. You were completely in control of the outcome in this instance as you have said and so you are fully to blame for it. It is irrelevant if you think he should have better things to do as his boss obviously dissagreed with you. If you want to change the way the Police carry out their duties, join up and get promoted through the ranks to commisioner and you might have some pull.

[enigma51]

seems like a lot of people are forgetting the simple truth that members of the police are people like anyone else. in any proffession their will be a certain percentage of assholes. the problem with the police is that they are constantly under the microscope so any time someone feels they have been unjustly pinged for something they immediately point the finger and complain that 'someone somewhere was doing something worse than me (beating wife, child etc) so the police are only revenue collecting if they have all this spare time to enforce the traffic laws'.

They quickly forget a few pertinent facts - they broke the law - small or big it was broken and the easiest way to avoid getting a speeding ticket is not to drive faster than the posted limit. black and white. if you want the law changed there are methods to get this done, if it's too much effort then maybe you're not that commited to your cause. Just because there is a 'national police shortage' it doesn't mean that every district is short. So if there is a rape in the other end of the country at the same time you got your ticket it's not likely the cop will race off to attend. In saying that just because there is a backlog of other types of crime doesn't mean they pull everyone off traffic. I don't think calling him a wanker for giving you a ticket, however close to the speed sign he got it, is justified. He's doing his job, just because you were not on the side of his descrestion you wanted to be doesn't automatically make him a bad dude. You were completely in control of the outcome in this instance as you have said and so you are fully to blame for it. It is irrelevant if you think he should have better things to do as his boss obviously dissagreed with you. If you want to change the way the Police carry out their duties, join up and get promoted through the ranks to commisioner and you might have some pull.

Like boomer would say



your wrong.

[Maha]

seems like a lot of people are forgetting the simple truth that members of the police are people like anyone else. in any proffession their will be a certain percentage of assholes. the problem with the police is that they are constantly under the microscope so any time someone feels they have been unjustly pinged for something they immediately point the finger and complain that 'someone somewhere was doing something worse than me (beating wife, child etc) so the police are only revenue collecting if they have all this spare time to enforce the traffic laws'.

They quickly forget a few pertinent facts - they broke the law - small or big it was broken and the easiest way to avoid getting a speeding ticket is not to drive faster than the posted limit. black and white. if you want the law changed there are methods to get this done, if it's too much effort then maybe you're not that commited to your cause. Just because there is a 'national police shortage' it doesn't mean that every district is short. So if there is a rape in the other end of the country at the same time you got your ticket it's not likely the cop will race off to attend. In saying that just because there is a backlog of other types of crime doesn't mean they pull everyone off traffic. I don't think calling him a wanker for giving you a ticket, however close to the speed sign he got it, is justified. He's doing his job, just because you were not on the side of his descrestion you wanted to be doesn't automatically make him a bad dude. You were completely in control of the outcome in this instance as you have said and so you are fully to blame for it. It is irrelevant if you think he should have better things to do as his boss obviously dissagreed with you. If you want to change the way the Police carry out their duties, join up and get promoted through the ranks to commisioner and you might have some pull.

This could have been a very short thread had this post been post #2.

Unlike what Boomer would say.

You're right.

[Katman]

And you do realise I'm a gay man, of Maori decent, with an asian boyfriend?

I don't believe you're a Maori.