People peddling bullshit as fact on KB

[ital916]

This linky is very good re dropping helmets...and other helmetty stuff...

It is very good that video. Customers dont usually believe me when I say forget about the cheeks and we have to concentrate on the forhead and circumference of their skull area.

Thats the great thing about the shoeis I fit, once the circumferential sizing is done the cheek pads and liners can be sized to fit. As in the video, arais are amazing helmets as well. I do like the corsair.

When I first got into motorcycling I was sold a helmet that was way too big for me, now that I look back. Most of the gear sold to me was of the wrong size. I tell customers it may take a while but get it right.

Again, very informative video. It is always good to learn new things and even to refresh ones memory. *Though leno doesnt seem like the sharpest arrow does he*

[James Deuce]

Where the hell is my tin of WD40 with its fancy pivoting up squirt tube, I looked for it in the weekend and it seems to be gone. Damn I'm going senile.

Mine's depressurised with about a third of the contents still inside. Shoddy bloody workmanship.

[LBD]

Using high-octane gas will make your bike perform more betterer.

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And while I am lecturing....

I have an article in a bike mag... I will dig it out when I get home...
It is a test with near new late model sprot bike on a dyno, with 3 different BP octane rated petrols. There is from memory about 3% between best and worst.

A contributing factor in a modern bike is the Knock sensor that detects preignition that is more prevelent with low octane fuels. If preignition (detination) is sensed, timing and fueling is adjusted dropping the performance...this is more the case with lower octane fuels.

Now you need to decide, do I know what I am talking about or am I dribbling from a hole in my head?

[jetboy]

nope .. that one is confirmed..

Aren't you supposed to provide supporting evidence now?

[vifferman]

It is essential that IF a chain is washed in Kerosene, a spray on lubricant like that in an aerosol can is used luberally.

Luberally.
I thought the reason for using kerosene (or so I've heard/read multitudinous times) is that kerosene actually leaves an oily film, so that it shy it's a good cleaner to use on mechanical parts (apart from when you don't want a film left)..

Now you need to decide, do I know what I am talking about or am I bullshitting out a hole in my head?

Well, it sounds feasible and suitably technical. But where's the citation and references to back up your nice words?

Ever seen those pies in a celophane packet with labling that says..."Contents, one pie"

So... you're a pie now?

And while I am lecturing....

I have an article in a bike mag... I will dig it out when I get home...
It is a test with near new late model sprot bike on a dyno, with 3 different BP octane rated petrols. There is from memory about 3% between best and worst.

A contributing factor in a modern bike is the Knock sensor that detects preignition that is more prevelent with low octane fuels. If preignition (detination) is sensed, timing and fueling is adjusted dropping the performance...this is more the case with lower octane fuels.

Now you need to decide, do I know what I am talking about or am I dribbling from a hole in my head?

On this one, I'd say you sound like you are knowledgeable, but could well be 'dribbling', as knock sensors aren't common on bikes. I say this based on extrapolating from a statistically invalid sample of two (2): the last 2 (two) models of VFR800 have sensors for speed, air temp, coolant temp, cam angle, ignition, barometric pressure, manifold pressure, throttle position, revs, and 17,348 other things, but pre-ignition isn't one of them.
But then Hondas are gay, so my very carefully thought out theorem falls down a bit because of that.

[imdying]

Yes, no knock sensors for the big four. If there were likely exceptions, I'm picking they'd be the GTR1400 and Goldwing.

[ManDownUnder]

Mine's depressurised with about a third of the contents still inside. Shoddy bloody workmanship.

All is not lost. You can still drink it but you have to punch a hole in the bottom of the can. Or you could help yerself the Big Dave's bathwater ...!?!

[smoky]

do you really think people today are stupid enough to take what's posted on Kb and believe it? Very few people now days would - I think some people take KB far to seriously. Younger people are far more savvy about shyte like that than what we give them credit for. They do seem to have a better bullshit radar than the generation before them. Perhaps because they are surrounded by so much dodgy information right from an early age

They may talk about it, read it, and hope to educate themselves a little - but ultimately look for a more reliable reputable source of information - surely.
And I guess the importance of the information would also determine how much weight they would give to taking notice of information and advice on here

For example if you were sick, googled your symptoms, you may try the advice on there, but you certainly would get your arse down to a doctor if you were feeling real bad
And you wouldn't probably let your mate do open heart surgery from a how to do guide on the internet - would you


Reader beware I say

[Mystic13]

Viff you also forget in your first post that there are many truths. You assume someone is either telling the truth or not.

The beauty of the forum is that;

poster 1 has a problem;

poster 2 has a solution "a".

poster 3 has solution "b".

poster 4 says both are rubbish and the solution is "c".

So Poster 1 was telling the truth as far as they knew. As was 2 and 3.

Sometimes the truth is dependant on our sphere of knowledge.

Example 1.

I wanted BMW to put synthetic oil in my new bike a couple of years back. I figured the engine would be smoother and have less vibes and change gear easier, based on my experience of using synthetics for 25 years in all sorts of situations.

The BMW mechanic said no, you can't use synthetics in a BMW the clutch will slip and it is not good for the motor. (I won't get into the basis for this myth).

I then approached BMW NZ. They were adamant it was a no go for the same reasons.

I asked for them to check with BMW Germany. BMW Germany apparently responded with the same.

So I emailed the oil specialist at Castrol UK as BMW recommended Castrol. The bloke agreed with me. And Castrol had a synthetic product.

So I emailed Rotax in Austria who make the engine on a Friday evening. On Monday I got an email from BMW Germany stating they now agreed that the Castrol Synthetic was approved for my bike.

I called my BMW mechanic and sent him the email. He got the oil in and after throwing it in they couldn't believe how much smoother the gearbox was, how much smother the engine was, how much the vibes had been reduced.

Since then they've been throwing it in pretty much everything and the problems of tighter gearboxes and vibey bikes has been dramatically reduced.

So in this case the BMW mechanic, BMW NZ, and BMW Germany were all telling the truth until there beliefs had been changed.

Synthetic oils are now used worldwide by BMW dealers where as 2 years ago they were banned from all BMW bikes.

Often what we believe to be true is based on our base of knowledge.

There are numerous examples of this in posts asking how to do things.

So for me it's not that the other person is wrong it's just that someone has a broader band of knowledge. It's this melting pot of ideas that triggers learning, understanding and new ideas.

____________

The other day I had a lady come and see me with stomach ulcers. Now I'd never worked with them before. But she had been a client of mine and was used to me doing some things differently. I had a quick read of the medical research and beliefs. I worked with her for one session.

She called back the next day and advised me that the level of wind was down by 70%, the level of pain was down by 60%, the duration of that pain was down by 60%. She let me know she was able to get her fist nights decent sleep. Now I know what I did and the reasoning behind it and I can replicate that. But until then I hadn't done that before and with a quick ring around amongst peers I couldn't find anyone that had worked on ulcers.

So now if someone who had ulcers rang a medical practitioner and then rang me they would get two different truths.

P.S. If you're a medical practitioner reading this and you want to talk more, by all means PM me I'd be happy to talk specifically about what I do. I work with medical practitioners in a number of areas.


Cheers.

Love the melting pot of ideas and KB. Where would we be without it. Oh yeah, we'd be reading the manual and asking three mates. KB beats three mates hands down.

[LBD]

Luberally. .

Pun intended



I thought the reason for using kerosene (or so I've heard/read multitudinous times) is that kerosene actually leaves an oily film, so that it shy it's a good cleaner to use on mechanical parts (apart from when you don't want a film left)...
Kerosene is dry, can leave a slight residue that is the reminantsof the oil and grease being washed off, that did not evaporate with the kero . Very good for cleaning oil and grease away


Well, it sounds feasible and suitably technical. But where's the citation and references to back up your nice words?

Job Title..."Reliability Specialist - Lubrication" Should cover that...No not KY...

I analyze some 12000 oil samples per year, and purchase 2.4 million litre of lube oil a year, and look after contamination control, Apologies for blowing my own trumpet.


So... you're a pie now? Just a humorous diversion


On this one, I'd say you sound like you are knowledgeable, but could well be 'dribbling', as knock sensors aren't common on bikes. I say this based on extrapolating from a statistically invalid sample of two (2): the last 2 (two) models of VFR800 have sensors for speed, air temp, coolant temp, cam angle, ignition, barometric pressure, manifold pressure, throttle position, revs, and 17,348 other things, but pre-ignition isn't one of them.
But then Hondas are gay, so my very carefully thought out theorem falls down a bit because of that.

Hondas...couldnt agree more....The knock sensor is a generic for pre ignition detection, sometimes a special detector other times a calculted condition. In modern engines an ecm can look at all factors and determine if preignition is likely...as I mentioned it is only a contributing factor, Will find the article on fuels...

[CookMySock]

but after all, it is the interweeb and there are no quarantees of you getting the correct answer to your question.

Eggsactly.

Maybe KB needs a disclaimer on the front page? (P/T)

No, its the Internet that should have the disclaimer, and special mention of the people who get on the Internet and take umbrage that their "facts" are not being taken seriously. Boo fucken hoo.

do you really think people today are stupid enough to take what's posted on Kb and believe it? Very few people now days would - I think some people take KB far to seriously.

Especially the wise ones who expect all to bow to their superiour intellect - probably why they are on the site, certainly it is not for them to learn anything.

Younger people are far more savvy about shyte like that than what we give them credit for. They do seem to have a better bullshit radar than the generation before them.

I don't think so. I think they are just the same as they have always been. The difference is that the old people are more full of know-it-all, do-it-my-son bullshit than they have ever been.


Steve

[Edbear]

Viff you also forget in your first post that there are many truths. You assume someone is either telling the truth or not.

...(SNIP)...

So I emailed Rotax in Austria who make the engine on a Friday evening. On Monday I got an email from BMW Germany stating they now agreed that the Castrol Synthetic was approved for my bike.....

Rotax make BMW engines on Friday evening...?

[Mystic13]

Rotax make BMW engines on Friday evening...?

lol. Yeah, apparently they do.

I was actually more amazed to email Rotax in Austria. Someone read my email, thought about it made a decision. Emailed BMW Germany who thought about it made a decision created a new policy for all BMW bikes and emailed me on Monday. In my lifetime that quick a response may never happen again.

Apologies to the Grammar? or Grammer?

[jetboy]

do you really think people today are stupid enough to take what's posted on Kb and believe it? Very few people now days would - I think some people take KB far to seriously.

I am stupid enough to believe most of the technical information on this website - mainly because I am still in my 1st year of motorcycling and have never worked on bikes before, so I turn to those in the know (the motorcycling community) for advice. Yes it's debatable whether "those in the know" are correct, but if 3 or 4 examples or methods are given and the majority tend to agree with one or two, I'd happily follow that advice. And to date it's worked a treat.

Younger people are far more savvy about shyte like that than what we give them credit for. They do seem to have a better bullshit radar than the generation before them. Perhaps because they are surrounded by so much dodgy information right from an early age

I'm relatively young and can confirm that when I was a teenager/early 20's I thought I was bullet proof just like you guys did when you were younger.
The older I get, the easier it is to filter out the bullshit from the useful stuff but only because of my life experiences.

They may talk about it, read it, and hope to educate themselves a little - but ultimately look for a more reliable reputable source of information - surely.
And I guess the importance of the information would also determine how much weight they would give to taking notice of information and advice on here

True, but when I ask a question like the chain lube one this thread was based on, I felt no need to go any further than ask here and on another forum (specific to my bike) for the informaton I was after. Funilly enough I trust what people say - I figure why would someone give me false information? Then again, people say I'm too trusting.

Reader beware I say

Agreed. I read somewhere that chicks don't like it backdoor when we all know that's not true.

[CookMySock]

Agreed. I read somewhere that chicks don't like it backdoor when we all know that's not true.

They're doing it all wrong, thats why.

Steve