To all Auckland commuters...

[wbks]

It is viewed the same as pushing in line, quite a few car drivers can relate to this. Plain and simple lane splitting isnt allowed, some police may let you off but the law is the law. Youd be suprised how many ladies you're age live out my way that commute to Auckland, no complaining they wait in line commute monday to friday party saturday. Oh the impatience.

It reduces congestion, and if they made cars small enough than they should do it too. Anyone that doesn't like lane splitters who mind their own buisness need to mind their own. Unless you are all going to the same bank, I don't think it's quite the same as cutting in line, unless you are offended that a dude on a bike gets to cross the bridge before you...

[avgas]

i find it very hard to have a bad time on a bike. feels so natural for me

[Dean]

It reduces congestion, and if they made cars small enough than they should do it too. Anyone that doesn't like lane splitters who mind their own buisness need to mind their own. Unless you are all going to the same bank, I don't think it's quite the same as cutting in line, unless you are offended that a dude on a bike gets to cross the bridge before you...

Bull man, motorcycles dont even take up a quarter of the traffic commuting to Auckland, if Motorcyclists stayed in line you wouldnt see much of a difference due to their small size. Its a excuse by many to make it seem right and productive. Its rude and a person should rightly be offended if a motorcyclist can wally his way through the cars when by law hes not supposed to. Not to mention they are sitting ducks just waiting to get their mirrors clipped or door panels dented, they are usually stationary prone to getting hit.

[Ixion]

Your understanding of the law is deficient. I also wonder why you would bother to have a bike?

But, each to his own. If you wish to pretend that you are driving a two wheeled car, that is up to you.

Myself, I ride a bike.

[wbks]

Bull man, motorcycles dont even take up a quarter of the traffic commuting to Auckland, if Motorcyclists stayed in line you wouldnt see much of a difference due to their small size. Its a excuse by many to make it seem right and productive. Its rude and a person should rightly be offended if a motorcyclist can wally his way through the cars when by law hes not supposed to. Not to mention they are sitting ducks just waiting to get their mirrors clipped or door panels dented, they are usually stationary prone to getting hit.

There are a lot of ways to get hit, and you should only judge them when that happens, but lanesplitting causes no harm unless there is a rider or driver error (i.e pulling out or clipping a mirror), and that happens in every other aspect of driving/riding. You just said - you wouldn't see a difference, so why care about one or a few bikes getting to their destination earlier because its a natural advantage of their vehicle? It's a case of "well if I can't get to my meeting in time, than neither can he" and it's not excusable or justifiable in any way. The law doesn't mean shit.

[Dean]

There are a lot of ways to get hit, and you should only judge them when that happens, but lanesplitting causes no harm unless there is a rider or driver error (i.e pulling out or clipping a mirror), and that happens in every other aspect of driving/riding. You just said - you wouldn't see a difference, so why care about one or a few bikes getting to their destination earlier because its a natural advantage to their vehicle? It's a case of "well if I can't get to my meeting in time, than neither can he" and it's not excusable or justifiable in any way. The law doesn't mean shit.

Law does mean alot, no matter how much of a hotshot you are you wont escape the law, its basic - Lane splitting = Not allowed, im sure or atleast i hope you can understand this. You're arguement is totally biast, i have seen so many threads on supposedly "idiot drivers" who pull out on bikers lane splitting. Well hello, knock knock if they werent lane splitting in the first place which is a no no then there would be no problem if anything the drivers are stopping them from breaking the law!!! Sorry but its the truth man.

[Indiana_Jones]

Law does mean alot, no matter how much of a hotshot you are you wont escape the law, its basic - Lane splitting = Not allowed, im sure or atleast i hope you can understand this. You're arguement is totally biast, i have seen so many threads on supposedly "idiot drivers" who pull out on bikers lane splitting. Well hello, knock knock if they werent lane splitting in the first place which is a no no then there would be no problem if anything the drivers are stopping them from breaking the law!!! Sorry but its the truth man.

-Indy

[wbks]

Law does mean alot, no matter how much of a hotshot you are you wont escape the law, its basic - Lane splitting = Not allowed, im sure or atleast i hope you can understand this. You're arguement is totally biast, i have seen so many threads on supposedly "idiot drivers" who pull out on bikers lane splitting. Well hello, knock knock if they werent lane splitting in the first place which is a no no then there would be no problem if anything the drivers are stopping them from breaking the law!!! Sorry but its the truth man.

The law is not Authority, truth is. The law is not the truth and the law can get fucked. Lane splitting accidents are ALWAYS down to (just like 99% of all other road crashes) human error by either or all parties. Lane splitting isn't wrong, pulling out into a lane splitters path, or clipping a cars mirror is. My argument isn't biased, I'm a car driver, a motorcyclist, an NZ citizen. If you call my argument biased, that's pretty rich coming from an aspiring cop. People do escape the law every day, so unless you plan on being the first real world robo-cop experiment, that isn't going to change. Lane splitting = Not allowed? Is this coming from the same dude who said he would let me go if he saw me wheelstanding past his patrol car one day? I'm pretty sure police corruption is worse than a traffic violation. Not allowed? Who are the police to tell me what to do? No one! THAT is the truth (although I'm sure that will put me in jail for a night sometime soon.

[Metalor]

Dean - why so against lane-splitting? I don't think it's a problem. If other road users think it's rude they're probably just jealous that the rider doesn't have to trudge along at 15ks.

I lane split every day, one of the perks of riding a bike. I'm not gonna sit in traffic, breathing in all the exhaust fumes for longer than I have to. I don't think it's rude at all. If the bikers were hlding everybody else up then maybe I could see your reasoning but the fact that they can filter through the traffic unhindered says in itself that lane splitting does not inconveinience other drivers.

[Dean]

The law is not Authority, truth is. The law is not the truth and the law can get fucked. Lane splitting accidents are ALWAYS down to (just like 99% of all other road crashes) human error by either or all parties. Lane splitting isn't wrong, pulling out into a lane splitters path, or clipping a cars mirror is. My argument isn't biased, I'm a car driver, a motorcyclist, an NZ citizen. If you call my argument biased, that's pretty rich coming from an aspiring cop. People do escape the law every day, so unless you plan on being the first real world robo-cop experiment, that isn't going to change. Lane splitting = Not allowed? Is this coming from the same dude who said he would let me go if he saw me wheelstanding past his patrol car one day? I'm pretty sure police corruption is worse than a traffic violation. Not allowed? Who are the police to tell me what to do? No one! THAT is the truth (although I'm sure that will put me in jail for a night sometime soon.

What am i saying, this is a motorcycle forum odds are anyone actually understanding. Forget about it.
About that bit i said if you or anyother biker pulled a wheelstand past me due to my lack of concentration i might not notice, no corruption.

[wbks]

Dean - why so against lane-splitting? I don't think it's a problem. If other road users think it's rude they're probably just jealous that the rider doesn't have to trudge along at 15ks.

I lane split every day, one of the perks of riding a bike. I'm not gonna sit in traffic, breathing in all the exhaust fumes for longer than I have to. I don't think it's rude at all. If the bikers were hlding everybody else up then maybe I could see your reasoning but the fact that they can filter through the traffic unhindered says in itself that lane splitting does not inconveinience other drivers.

What this guy said explains it all. I'm too pissed at this "the police know all, heil Key" shit to write properly

[swbarnett]

But why so impatient?

Why do you drive a motorised vehicle? To get from a to b faster! Oh, wait. That's just impatient. Perhaps you should be walking instead.

I know i may sound harsh, theres a thing we were all told when young and thats waiting in line.

Then why do passing lanes exist? So that faster vehicles can pass the slower ones. Surely you're not suggesting we should never overtake?

Its viewed rude to lane split,

Only by those who have no idea what it's about.

you take upon a huge risk in getting hit by a car.

I would strongly dispute this. Done properly, splitting is perfectly safe. You're often safer splitting in stop-start traffic than staying in line. Noone's going to under-brake and squash you in to the car in front.

You would understand if you were waiting at say a bank and someone pushes in line.

A motorcycle lane splitting is like a cat pushing in line at the bank - no inconvenience to the others in line whatsoever.

[swbarnett]

Plain and simple lane splitting isnt allowed,

As I understand it from those on here that know more about it than I lane splitting is legal as long the traffic is stationary or your bike is to the right of the car and still within the same lane.

I lane split every day. My reasons are simple.

- It is a major factor in reducing my stress levels in traffic.
- I can sleep in a bit more (I'm not a morning person).
- It's safe if done properly.
- It hurts noone!

[DIN PELENDA]

As I understand it from those on here that know more about it than I lane splitting is legal as long the traffic is stationary or your bike is to the right of the car and still within the same lane.

I lane split every day. My reasons are simple.

- It is a major factor in reducing my stress levels in traffic.
- I can sleep in a bit more (I'm not a morning person).
- It's safe if done properly.
- It hurts noone!

That is true, and just to add another reason for line splitting is, if you do sit in between cars and car on front of you stop but car at beck of you don't release that, which often happen in Auckland traffic" bumper to bumper" will you like to be on your bike between two bumpers? It be lot more fatalities if every biker sit in between cars or if you lucky you just lose leg. As long as your speed is not much higher (different) then speed of traffic, like if traffic is doing 20km/h you can do up to 50km/h it is safe, but no 120km/h. Maybe Dean need to get bigger bike, I just cant help my self, with size and performance of my R1, I will newer sit in traffic! That is reason for me to have 2 bikes! R1 red just gone black every afternoon 5.45 pm say hi Dean as I Fly pass you, from south Auckland to City and to Morningside, that is were I work and ST for long ride and touring out of Auckland "cold kiwi"- I line split with my ST two but not as fast . My wife finish every 2nd week 5.30 it take her 15min in car to Papatoetoe. We got 5 kids under 10 and no one to leave kids with, and can't leave them by them self. So I start work at 6 pm and that give me 15min , to get from Papatoetoe to Morningside, how else I'm going to do it when helicopter is out of my budget with 5 kids.
PS:Legal or not good luck to any copa try to pull me over or read my plate number as I fly pass him, even if he is bike cop on chunky bimer or ST. I'm doing it for 14 years now and no ticket will stop me . I get buzz out of it and I be doing it in my 80's.

[Grahameeboy]

What am i saying, this is a motorcycle forum odds are anyone actually understanding. Forget about it.
About that bit i said if you or anyother biker pulled a wheelstand past me due to my lack of concentration i might not notice, no corruption.

You have joined the right place...mind you on this forum there are Dads, Mums...cops....company directors etc etc...so it's a forum of well informed people who have cars but enjoy riding bikes