Sue Bradford - our first political assassination?

[The Stranger:Me]

i voted yes.

Turned out to be quite a waste really didn't it.

[Ixion]

You could argue that the particular gentleman's principles were not intelligent and clearly thought out. Nevertheless the merits or otherwise of his political principles should have been (and at the time were) the focus of debate, not whether he only had one ball or was a vegeterian or spoke with an Austrian accent or other irrelevancies.
And as for Enoch Powell, there are many intelligent people in the U.K. who sincerely believe in the principles which he espoused. He was brave enough to speak up for something that he felt strongly about, not for himself but for the nation as a whole, and deserves respect for that.

True enough on both counts. Just establishing that the principle applied on both sides of the political fence.

Actually, I should have referenced the late Caudillo de Espana rather than the anonymous gentleman, thus avoiding a long hard stare from Mr Godwin.

(BTW , what becomes of Mr G's law on a neo-nazi site - I assume such exist. Do they invoke a 'Churchill' corollary? )

[firefighter]

Presumably you had no respect for David Lange either, whose appearance, at least in his first few years of political life, exactly fits the description above.

Actually, he still looked far cleaner and more professional to me than Sue ever will.

[Ixion]

I agree with a lot of what you've said here.

However, a politician who can't be bothered brushing her hair/or having at least a slight pride in her appearance, gets no respect from me. She has no right to my respect looking like a bum.

Would you put up with much more lowly paid uniformed personnel presenting themselves like this? No fucken way. Never mind taking them seriously.

As a politician she is representing N.Z. And she presents herself like that? How embarrassing for N.Z.

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Perhaps greatness transcends clothes?

The late Mr Einstein , to give but one example, was notorious for sartorial laxity.

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It must take a lot of doing, to be that hated in society.

Not in a largely ignorant one

[Swoop]

As a politician she is representing N.Z. And she presents herself like that? How embarrassing for N.Z.

I believe it had something to do with promoting NZ when the lord of the rings was in favour.

"She" could be used for promotional activities as an Ork.

[ital916]

Gosh, who woulda thought it? Sue Bradford is saying she is in the running to be our first political take-out. She read the "threat" on Twitter (how appropriate, of course it is the fount of all truth and knowledge, except for kiwibiker).

What could possibly have driven someone to say such nasty things about her?

Hmmmm. She even has parliamentary dispensation to not have her address on the electoral roll. I am sure there must have been other well-deserving candidates back in NZ's political history who have been more worthy of her for these threats, but they all survived.

Me? I'd make sure she lived, if only that she doesn't deserve martyrdom.

Because she is a fucking idiot. Trying to create a nanny state where the gubbermint tries to tell people how to raise their children. Bring back corporal punishment in schools and compulsory military training, tech the yobbos of today some fucking manners.

If someone does assasinate her, they better catch it on camera.

[idb]

All politicians are media junkies, if they don,t see their name in the paper for more than a week they suffer with drawl symptoms, and need to make some thing up.

Many people suffer with drawl symptoms...John Wayne or Bill Clinton to cite two famous examples.

[firefighter]

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Perhaps greatness transcends clothes?

The late Mr Einstein , to give but one example, was notorious for sartorial laxity.

I was unaware of Einsteins involvement in politics.

I didn't ever suggest fancy expensive clothing being necessary. Having some pride in how you represent yourself is.

I've worn three uniforms in my short life. The way it was worn, my actions, attitude, and grooming was (and is) directly how the public would perceive the 'company' as a whole. Fact.

If you work in such an important sector of society, you dress for the occasion. If Sue had more respect for her position she would buy a comb, and may find that when she looks professional she will get back the respect she is giving her job title, and even I of all people may listen to what she has to say.

Clothing transcending greatness.....not at all.

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Because she is a fucking idiot. Trying to create a nanny state where the gubbermint tries to tell people how to raise their children. Bring back corporal punishment in schools and compulsory military training,

Think about it. Someone would have to "Bring back corporal punishment in schools and compulsory military training" - does the term Nanny State still apply?

What if I don't want my little Johnny being hit at school or participating in mindless regimented exercises? Would that not be an impingement on my freedoms?

[MikeL]

Think about it. Someone would have to "Bring back corporal punishment in schools and compulsory military training" - does the term Nanny State still apply?

What is I don't want my little Johnny being hit at school or participating in mindless regimented exercises? Would that not be an impingement on my freedoms?

The call to bring back corporal punishment is misguided and a knee-jerk reaction to what is perceived as a trend towards violence and lack of discipline among young people. While I have some sympathy with those who deplore the lack of discipline, I can't accept that corporal punishment is the answer. As a teacher I have in the past witnessed canings that ought never to have taken place, for reasons that were trivial, with children of 12 or 13 who were traumatised, and by teachers who took far too much pleasure from the act.
A surprising number of people who support the idea of bringing back corporal punishment think that somehow their own children should be exempt...

[Mr Merde]

not likely to happen in little old NZ.

I'm sure there are a lot of people that wouldn't mind giving her a bit of a smack though... who's your daddy?

Should a smack, as part of good foreplay, be a criminal offense in New Zealand?

No

Yes

[MisterD]

or participating in mindless regimented exercises? Would that not be an impingement on my freedoms?

Do you have input into the curriculum now? My kids will no doubt be forced to waste their time learning a useless language...I get no choice about that.

[ital916]

Think about it. Someone would have to "Bring back corporal punishment in schools and compulsory military training" - does the term Nanny State still apply?

What is I don't want my little Johnny being hit at school or participating in mindless regimented exercises? Would that not be an impingement on my freedoms?

It has to be a balance and right now the balance is out of whack. We have gone so far into becoming a hand holding politically correct society that it is laughable.

Bring back a form of punishment at schools that will actually get kids to behave, as for compulsory military training, Im sticking with that.

[peasea]

Do you have input into the curriculum now? My kids will no doubt be forced to waste their time learning a useless language...I get no choice about that.

Have you had a rat arouind these two websites?

http://www.onenzfoundation.co.nz/

and

http://www.celticnz.co.nz/

It takes a bit of time but well worth it. I agree with you about the language being (largely) useless unless you intend to teach Maori culture at some point, but what primary school child knows what they want to do later in life, or even this afternoon?

I was astounded when I read that all books pertaining to pre-Maori colonisation of NZ had been removed from schools. The truth, it would seem, is not being taught to our kids.