86km in a 100km zone = speeding ticket?

[PirateJafa]

Rude! I think there's probably an address on the ticket you can write to. I would do that. Nuts.

quick question, has anybody been successful in an appeal?

Laws are not absolute, nor are they infallible, laws need to be examined and tested. If everybody just sat and did what the law said and never bothered to argue it, then we would quickly wind up in some police state situation where you never question anything.

This particular law is WIDELY recognised to be a bad one (by organisations that matter), and the ONLY reason it's still around is because no politician has got around to finishing the job of removing it. Appealing this ticket is ABSOLUTELY the right thing to do.

If this young lady was exceeding the REAL speed limit (100k) you'd have a point, but she wasn't she was 15k's UNDER it.

Bollocks.

I'd expect a reply along the lines of "Don't go into zones above your learner speed limit then, and don't exceed the speed limit again either. Thank you."

Appealing will NOT work. You cannot appeal a ticket simply because you don't like the LAW. Otherwise I'd be appealing the ticket that I will get tomorrow for doing 210km/h in a 50 zone on my commute just because I don't like that law.

Apply some common sense, and don't suggest that the poor girl wastes her time on a hopeless cause. Jantar's scenario is unlikely (but possible), and is the best she can hope for.

[Phurrball]

A very unfortunate and quite ratshit ticket for an offence that should not be on the books. $400 and 25?

Unlikely you'll get off this - the rule is pretty clear and you broke it (Unless there is some fault in the issue of the ticket - possible, but not likely)

I'd loose the the 'L' personally.

You'd be risking the same fine and demerits, but with less chance of being 'picked on' for an obvious (if daft) offence. The old 'It must've fallen off' may work too, especially if there's a bit of yellow plastic still attached (Maybe get a twin pack of 'L' plates )

Unlikely that an insurer would (or could?) avoid a claim because of a missing 'L' plate. Pretty sure they could break off pretty easily in a crash?

An insurance industry type may wish to flesh this out a little. IIRC the Insurance Law Reform Act precludes avoidance of a claim on immaterial matters - I can't see how an 'L' plate could ever be material in a crash?

[kunoichi]

To be honest, i see the validity of all the arguments made here, and see the reasoning behind what everyone says. However i don't have enough experience to object or support any of the points made. But now i'm atleast aware of them, and know, somewhat, what i should look at expecting. Cheers guys.

[Max Preload]

boo hoo you broke a law you knew about, and got pinged, why the thread

What kind of a snivelling little goody-two-shoes turd are you?

[Aaron_newrider]

That's absolute crap - and it's the reason I don't wear a L plate. I go 110 daily, so would risk 400 bucks a day in fines.

Yes I risk the 400 fine for not realing an L plate, but you gotta do something stupid to get pulled over.

Fight the ticket - fuckers......

[XRVrider]

why are you looking to appeal? you broke the law?!

If I chose to import cocaine and get caught should i elect to be let off..because its dangerous to snort other peoples cocaine?

Well boomer is right , you broke the law. Maybe should avoid the 100km zones until have a restricted licence.

As for the cocaine, Boomer, wtf? Dude you got to lay off something.

[meteor]

You broke the law, that law is a bit of an ass, but it's there. And getting a warning is not a rite. All about attitude most of the time, cops or yours. Maybe that old cop would tell a different story. You risked it, cest la vie. Anywho, there's a lot of learner riders who did their 6 months or so and may not have attach their L plates... not me tho! Ask any tester how many very new looking L plates show up on restricted day! Your risk. Otherwise, stay to roads where you can ride.

[davebullet]

Do you know how much effort is required for an appeal (I don't - never done it). I've only ever written in to get off a no registration fine on the cage, citing I was on my way to purchase it (which I did same day but after the ticket was issued). That got me off the fine.

Depending on the fine you receive, it might warrant the effort of an appeal.

Use the time to think of the reason for your appeal. It is unlikely to be successful purely on the grounds of what we think makes for a common sense law (or not in this case).

[scumdog]

That's absolute crap - and it's the reason I don't wear a L plate. I go 110 daily, so would risk 400 bucks a day in fines.

Yes I risk the 400 fine for not realing an L plate, but you gotta do something stupid to get pulled over.

Fight the ticket - fuckers......

Hooo-boy, the day you get snapped for 113kph is going to be an expensive one....

[scumdog]

Bollocks.

I'd expect a reply along the lines of "Don't go into zones above your learner speed limit then, and don't exceed the speed limit again either. Thank you."

Appealing will NOT work. You cannot appeal a ticket simply because you don't like the LAW. Otherwise I'd be appealing the ticket that I will get tomorrow for doing 210km/h in a 50 zone on my commute just because I don't like that law.

Apply some common sense, and don't suggest that the poor girl wastes her time on a hopeless cause. Jantar's scenario is unlikely (but possible), and is the best she can hope for.

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[ynot slow]

Basically write in,but be prepared to bend over and take it.

As an aside with you having never got a ticket,do not pay the fine till you get the printed ticket,that way you have 2 months to pay basically,on the back it states pay this with in 28 days,but the printed one will show payment date on it.

Maybe have a piece of wire twisted on the place where the L plate goes,if pulled over say "must have fallen off,here is one piece of tie".

[YellowDog]

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Agreed.

If the flattering of eyelashes or flashing some cleavage fails, 99/100 I'd say "Pay the Fine".

BUT I do agree that 70kph for the area in question is a dangerous speed and also, there is actually no other route from the CBD to the Shore without crossing 100kph zones; which in itself is a potential grounds for an appeal.

[mowgli]

BUT I do agree that 70kph for the area in question is a dangerous speed and also, there is actually no other route from the CBD to the Shore without crossing 100kph zones; which in itself is a potential grounds for an appeal.

Nah, no grounds for appeal unless the bike is the only means available. Take the cage or bus would be their response.

[Hawkeye]

When I was on an "L" plate, I went from Tawa to Wellington CBD "the back way" - the back road to J'Ville (which is now a 70 km/h zone anyway) and then through the speed limited streets of J'Ville to Ngaio to Kaiwharawhara etc ...

That is the only way a 'learner' can go to the CBD from Tawa. (apart from down the gorge and along wellington. From Poriua to the top of the gorge, SH1 is a motorway which specifically excludes learners from using it. At the top of the gorge it changes to a highway (which allows learners/cyclist/joggers) and then once passed the slip road at the bottom, changes back to motorway.

[Mom]

When I was on an "L" plate, I went from Tawa to Wellington CBD "the back way" - the back road to J'Ville (which is now a 70 km/h zone anyway) and then through the speed limited streets of J'Ville to Ngaio to Kaiwharawhara etc ...
Sorry, but what would be the grounds for appeal for this ticket?

If a ticket gets issued there would be absolutely no grounds to appeal it. Pretty plain breach of license conditions really.

As far as taking an alternative route, if this young lady has to cross the Harbour Bridge to get where she needs to go to work or uni, there is no alternative route that does not involve an aspect of open road speed. Bus would be the only alternative.

He said the ticket would be mailed to me.

Bugger about being pulled up mate. Lets hope you passed the "attitude" test and you do not receive that little bit of paper in the mail eh? If it does arrive I would risk writing a letter in about it, stating all the current official type talk around regarding the 70kph rule being dangerous for motorcyclists, how it is possibly going to be repealled etc. Your clean driving/riding history etc and asking if they will reconsider the infringement in this case.

May not do any good, but certainly wont do any harm either.