ACC - Should wearing safety gear be a legal requirement?

[vifferman]

You know what I think? You should learn to use the multi-quote function, and multi-quote your replies. Or are you trying to boost your post count? You seem to be here, there, and everywhere, imparting important information to us less-learned motorbicyclists.
Here's what you do: you click once on the ' ' (double quote symbol) at the bottom right (just to the right of the "Quote" button) of each of the posts you want to reply to, then you click the "Post Reply" and all the posts you have clicked will be collated into one window, in the order you clicked them. Then you can edit them and add your comments in the appropriate places before posting your reply.

[The Stranger:Me]

Get the govt to trial a mandatory 5 day skills and theory course for new rider, and follow thier accident rates, hopefully they would be less than the nations average, thus reducing the social and treatment costs, therefor paying for the mandatory course in the first place.

It's been tried - though 2 X 1 day courses, one for Learner to restricted and restricted to full. You had to have been over 25, have your basic handling and held a full car license for 2yrs to qualify if I recall correctly.
Not sure of the results, but it was scrapped.
May have shown little or no benefit? but there was a lot of objection to the charges and some politics too.

[avgas]

I actually selected the bottom item.
I always wear my safety gear.
Confused?

Well think of it like this, I like riding. I'm not an idiot. However there is a stereotype with motorcyclist. There was a guy named Darwin. The world is overpopulated.

Join the dots. Basically means more for me.

[Argyle]

Helmet should be constantly on if you are riding a moped, motorcycle etc.

For a moped i don't think it is necessary to wear leather etc.

For a motorcycle you should ALWAYS wear protective gear and always wear back Armour!

All kiwis should be forced to do a theoretical test and practical test to gain any kind of bike license.
There should be three kind of categories:

125cc, 16years old, 18KW at the most.
600cc, 18years old, 33kw at the most.
full license XXXXcc, 21years old

All practical tests should consist of two parts, one there you do a "circuit" and prove that you can handle your bike, brake testing in 50kmh, 70kmh and 100kmh.
Second part a test in traffic.

No one is allowed to drive a bike on their car license except a moped.

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

No one is allowed to drive a bike on their car license except a moped.

You are not allowed to do that now... and I read somewhere that a substantial percentage of accidents involving bikes were bikers that did not have a licence, and or breaking their restrictions of their licence...

and yet well all get punished for that with higher ACC

Do I get a no claims bonus is 25 years of rider I have never claimed ACC?

[The Stranger:Me]

Helmet should be constantly on if you are riding a moped, motorcycle etc.

For a moped i don't think it is necessary to wear leather etc.

For a motorcycle you should ALWAYS wear protective gear and always wear back Armour!

All kiwis should be forced to do a theoretical test and practical test to gain any kind of bike license.
There should be three kind of categories:

125cc, 16years old, 18KW at the most.
600cc, 18years old, 33kw at the most.
full license XXXXcc, 21years old

All practical tests should consist of two parts, one there you do a "circuit" and prove that you can handle your bike, brake testing in 50kmh, 70kmh and 100kmh.
Second part a test in traffic.

No one is allowed to drive a bike on their car license except a moped.

Looks like we are 6 step ahead of you.

[The Stranger:Me]

Do I get a no claims bonus is 25 years of rider I have never claimed ACC?

Yes, you just need to sell your motorcycle to collect it.

[Drew]

I'm self employed, and think that with what I pay in a year, I could invest it well enough to keep all my medical bills paid now. Why should we pay extra ACC with our registration at all?

[Swoop]

No. Fuck off.

That applies to any gubbinment retards.

[davereid]

Fuck off x 2.

I don't give a flying fuck about the cost of ACC.

Nanny wankers forced the system on me, use force to make sure I pay for it, then cry foul when I want to dangerous stuff just for fun.

They bleat "its unfair on me, cos I wear WankWank boots and you wear Jandals."

You can't apease Nanny wankers either. They always want to target "the most dangerous thing".

Of course, once they have done that, they want to target the next most dangerous thing.

I will choose my own pleasures thank you, and choose my own risk profile.

I'm gonna grab the bourbon bottle, and have a few sips. I'll take the quad for a hoon later without my precious ATGATT, and then I'll come home and have unprotected sex.

And just to give the finger the full rotation, I'll ride down the country road I live on tomorrow without my helmet, enjoying the sights and smells of the country, risking the ACC mans dollars, just because I feel like it.

[Madness]

Fuck off X3

And bring back lump sum payouts!

[Kickaha]

Moped riders should be encouraged to wear more safety gear, after all they pay fuckall ACC on their rego, they often wear no more safety gear than a cheap helmet and they don't usually know how to ride as well as the average motorcyclist. 50kmh is still fast enough to do serious damage.

And how many moped riders are represented in the ACC statistics and what do they cost in ACC compared to Motorcycle riders, bugger all I would guess, anyone got any figures for them or are they like just off road riders just a convenient group to blame?

I can't tell you why. I was surprised by the statistic. Perhaps there are a lot of mature riders who return to riding, by a big bike, and have nastier accidents.

Or perhaps they do more miles than 600cc down bike owners, or perhaps to many learners upgrade to bigger bikes which are beyond their skill level etc etc etc

[Grahameeboy]

Well yes and no. That's the way it should be.
However, as motorcycles are soooo bad we get our own check box on the ACC form the doctor fills out. Should you have an accident on a motorcycle off road and go to a quack and he hears the word motorcycle he ticks the motorcycle box (why wouldn't he?) - thus putting the cost on those wot ride road bikes (MV account) - where as it should be on the eraners account. Then they divide the costs by the number of registered motorcycles and determine we are real expensive to insure.

And yes ACC (well certain representitives) are aware of and have acknowledged this anomoly.

Its funny that they categorise injuries even though it is suppose to be no blame and because they think we are "to blame" they charge us more.

I think we are a high risk so fair enough like Insurance (which is what ACC is to a point) the levy should reflect this..to a point.

[Grahameeboy]

Fuck off x 2.

I don't give a flying fuck about the cost of ACC.

Nanny wankers forced the system on me, use force to make sure I pay for it, then cry foul when I want to dangerous stuff just for fun.

They bleat "its unfair on me, cos I wear WankWank boots and you wear Jandals."

You can't apease Nanny wankers either. They always want to target "the most dangerous thing".

Of course, once they have done that, they want to target the next most dangerous thing.

I will choose my own pleasures thank you, and choose my own risk profile.

I'm gonna grab the bourbon bottle, and have a few sips. I'll take the quad for a hoon later without my precious ATGATT, and then I'll come home and have unprotected sex.

And just to give the finger the full rotation, I'll ride down the country road I live on tomorrow without my helmet, enjoying the sights and smells of the country, risking the ACC mans dollars, just because I feel like it.

That's NZ today folks

[Grahameeboy]

I'm self employed, and think that with what I pay in a year, I could invest it well enough to keep all my medical bills paid now. Why should we pay extra ACC with our registration at all?

The problem as I see it is that ACC is a National Health fund source....if we took away ACC there would then be a shortfall in National Health resources etc etc and you would have to change the Law to allow injury claims which then raised the issue of who from...if Insurer's then it would become non fault compensation which would not be a bad thing but then premiums would go up etc....lump sums a good idea for most injuries...whiplash etc but long term is a different issue but in theory less expensive because you would get the compensation in advance so using the multiples factor.

With me?