It is all our fault

[firefighter]

Whether you like it or not, scooters are classified as motor(bi)cycles sweetie, and they are subject to the same licence conditions as us

They have been added to make us sound worse, and raise the statistics.

[short-circuit]

They have been added to make us sound worse, and raise the statistics.

"We" (bikers) ain't special my friend. Heaps of retards ride motorcycles too you know...and that's my point.



When it goes wrong for "us" (and this includes scooter riders) the consequences are major.

Hence the statistics

[jaymzw]

Interesting statistics. I read in the Harold yesterday there were 4 fatalities on NZ roads over the weekend. 3 were motorcyclists. Says it all really.

Mom, i heard there was one up your way in the dome valley which was pretty bad.

[MSTRS:Me]

Whether you like it or not, scooters are classified as motor(bi)cycles sweetie, and they are subject to the same licence conditions as us

Not quite. How many scooter riders have Class 6 licences?

[firefighter]

"We" (bikers) ain't special my friend. Heaps of retards ride motorcycles too you know...and that's my point.



When it goes wrong for "us" (and this includes scooter riders) the consequences are major.

Hence the statistics

In that case, mopeds should be in there too. Because they have two wheels, and the consequences of an accident can also be major.

Really, the statistics for scooters, saying I agree with you, should only be added for the scooters with the engine capacity where your required a bike licence to ride them-this I agree with.

Some stupid office bitch on a CAR licence riding a 50cc scooter in her skirt and half helmet, is not in the same category.

[Latte]

???
In car versus car it's gonna be a car at fault...

I just meant that 70% of ~20 crashes is three fifths of my riding ability (F*** all). And those figures aren't serious/fatal accidents, they are all accidents. that equates to less than 1 accident a fortnight in Auckland City involving a Bike.

I think the article is making it sound worse than it is, that's all.

[short-circuit]

Some stupid office bitch on a CAR licence riding a 50cc scooter in her skirt and half helmet, is not in the same category.

I'd like to suggest that she has less chance of a fatality type accident than your average 18 year old on his first "big bike" or a "returning" rider.

[Winston001]

Yeah, but I remember seeing statistics somewhere saying that scooters/motorcycles were much more likely to get into an accident within the same number of kms travelled which would suggest that we crash more often and are at fault more often than someone else driving a car.

Simple really - in the world of physics 4 wheels good, 2 wheels bad.

In a cage you can make a small error and with 4 rubber feet you can avoid an accident. Or the accident is so slight it isn't reported.

On a bike/scooter/moped you can keep up with the traffic but only have 2 rubber feet plus no protective cage around you. So a minor error can result in major consequences.

What we do is risky. Fun. But risky.

[riffer]

Sorry guys, there's not really a lot I disagree with in the article.

Perhaps they could have explained that, in relation to the increase in motorcycle registrations, the accidents haven't gone up exactly in step, but the point is, they're going up. The weekend's toll doesn't look good.

Like it or not, scooters are motorcycles. It behooves us to educate scooter riders just as much as BABs. As for the unlicensed, that's a problem unfortunately most likely sorted by more vigilant policing. And the end result of that is less freedoms for us, the responsible (well mostly).

Rather than attack the messenger, we would be best to look at how we can change their attitude towards us, before they utilise legislative measures to "fix" the problem.

[Fatt Max]

I note that the stats relate to 'older' riders, such as myself.

The reason we have to go so fast is that we always need the toilet....so fuck off stats people, we need to pee.....doesnt help when you are a fat bastard like me and have 40kg of gristle resting on your bladder as well...

Dont get me started on 'poo near misses' either..

[dipshit]

Interesting statistics. I read in the Harold yesterday there were 4 fatalities on NZ roads over the weekend. 3 were motorcyclists. Says it all really.

Get used to it. That will be a common theme in Monday morning papers over summer.

[The Pastor]

And of the last three fatal crashes involving motorcycles in the city, two were the result of a speeding rider, either unlicensed or on a learner license,

so one accident was non rider fault, one was due to speeding, and one guy did not have a full license.

Hardly anything to draw any conclusions or trends from.

[firefighter]

I'd like to suggest that she has less chance of a fatality type accident than your average 18 year old on his first "big bike" or a "returning" rider.

So do I when i'm on my fourth wank of the day.

Does'nt mean it's the same category.

[short-circuit]

So do I when i'm on my fourth wank of the day.

Does'nt mean it's the same category.

What you do in the toilet is fine by me - just make sure you clean up after yourself.

As for point two, no matter how much you dislike it, the office lady on the 50cc scooter is a motorcyclist too

[rainman]

"motorbikes and scooters" is the key phrase from that report in terms of city accidents. I'm not surprised given the number of people on scooters I see charging down symonds st on the wrong side of the road or just generally weaving randomly through moving traffic...

Scooters don't do "300-plus".

• My take on it is that motorcycling requires more concentration/control/skill etc
  
• I don't see why statistically the proportion of skilled operators vs retards would be any higher in the motorcycling population than the driving population.
  
• The consequences for making a mistake are significantly higher for the motorcyclist than the driver

I'll add one: The consequences of the outcome of a bin being nasty go up with speed. Physics 101. (OK, well, some biology too, but you know what I mean).

What we do is risky. Fun. But risky.

That's fundamentally the point IMHO. A lot of riders seem irrationally addicted to the risk.

• Modern bike tech allows greater speed and acceleration.
• Modern gear is better (but only for slower speed bins?)
• Human reflexes aren't getting much better.
• For BABs they're getting worse.
• Roads are a bit better I expect, but there are still threats like gravel, cow shit, dead possums, other vehicles...
• In fact there's more vehicles and more people driving and riding stupidly.

Equals "unsafe at speed".

What will it take for people to figure out when enough speed is enough? If you have a bike that can do 300 km/h (why FFS?), can you still enjoy riding while doing, say, 120 max?

Or are we biologically incapable of understanding this?