IMPORTANT - Submission To The Government

[Genestho]

Disconnected individuals with no common purpose are viewed as an opportunity to divide and conquer. There's never any effort by people like dpex to consider the people they ridicule as a necessary resource in an organised response to a potential threat.

Want me on side? At least stop treating me like an enemy or an idiot.

Do you guys want an organised response that looks like it may have implications for a Government come election time, or do you just want to keep chipping away at big problesm by yourself?

dpex's incorrect asessment of my post and blind acceptance of his analysis is the kind of thing that keeps me off side with any "protest" movement regarding the "fate" of motorcycling.

No I was about to agree with the post above this. (lol a few back now) but your one regarding how you go about things, that's how it works - I agree with you, you got it

[p.dath]

Unfortunately they will never be able to legislate against brain dead road users....

Shhh. Someone will here you and make some legislation.

Having a drivers licence in NZ is not a right. There is no act of parliament that says you have an entitlement to a licence.
It's a test. If you pass your allowed to have a licence.

Raise the bar, and you'll get less "brain dead road users", and to a smaller degree, more unlicensed users.

[Coldrider]

Motorcyclists have never (yet) been a collective group.

Yes, rebels, freedom, individuals.

[Genestho]

The first bit of advice given to me by a politician, was to be prepared to listen, don't put your gloves on. Locate the problem, research, find the solutions, and costings if you can. Be persistant but polite. Drive the same hammer into the same nail. BE Patient!

James is right, a protest does nothing, it's one loud voice once. Sporadic letters do nothing.
2 million misjointed individuals may make a submission, while this may be good, they may have an opposing thousand views, which in reality will achieve nothing, it's just a mess of noise.

Meanwhile you will be up against massive groups, speaking the same language. You stay on the same path, you make allies, also speaking the same language - you link up, you then have aligned groups also speaking the language with reasonable opposition.

[MadDuck]

Don't get me started on that bullshit.

Ok so take the emotion out of it (and that probably wasnt the best example for me to give) and what I was trying to say is that if the general biking community decided to get together for change...it would be possible.

[Genestho]

Ok so take the emotion out of it (and that probably wasnt the best example for me to give) and what I was trying to say is that if the general biking community decided to get together for change...it would be possible.

IMO You have to be careful with groups, as you don't want to get bogged down with commitees and things because, thats a whole different kettle of fish and consuming. You also end up with a bunch of people, opposing, and throwing more into the mix, and another mess of noise.

I recon effective groups just have to list the iniatives, each pick the iniative, figure out fortes, whether it be media soundbites, radio, letter writing, communication fortes, have each person in charge of a job, stick to it, own it and hopefully be onto it enough to make the right calls, on their own. That makes things happen. Just what I'm observing anyway.

[PrincessBandit]

What's needed is for all of us to make an effort to show we're interested in being part of an attempt to improve things. It's so easy to do nothing because we think it won't change anything - kinda like not bothering to vote because we believe our vote won't make a difference.

Putting in submissions en masse doesn't have to mean we're no longer individuals, that somehow all of a sudden we're a big happy family (). What it does mean is that we can put aside our bitchiness and nit picking and present a strong statement to those who could have a major impact on our situation.

[Pussy]

IMO You have to be careful with groups, as you don't want to get bogged down with commitees and things because, thats a whole different kettle of fish and consuming. You also end up with a bunch of people, opposing, and throwing more into the mix, and another mess of noise.

I recon effective groups just have to list the iniatives, each pick the iniative, figure out fortes, whether it be media soundbites, radio, letter writing, communication fortes, have each person in charge of a job, stick to it, own it and hopefully be onto it enough to make the right calls, on their own. That makes things happen. Just what I'm observing anyway.

Very wise advice, T.G.W!

[Genestho]

What's needed is for all of us to make an effort to show we're interested in being part of an attempt to improve things. It's so easy to do nothing because we think it won't change anything - kinda like not bothering to vote because we believe our vote won't make a difference.

Putting in submissions en masse doesn't have to mean we're no longer individuals, that somehow all of a sudden we're a big happy family (). What it does mean is that we can put aside our bitchiness and nit picking and present a strong statement to those who could have a major impact on our situation.

I guess you just need for people to put aside ego's, and be motivated enough to not give up. And prepared to work hard, to change things take time. People give up too easy.

[Grahameeboy]

before we all knee jerk...is it really a major if ACC levies rise for over 600cc...still gotta be worth it just to ride...

We are all targeted...not just bikers...if you want say Health Insurance you have to complet a whole load of personal questions to establish the risk and the premium you pay...ACC is really no different...if you are male and had a unrinary tract infection then you are at risk of prostrate cancer so you pay higher premiums..if you are a smoker the same...bikers may think they are but sorry to burst the bubble but we are not the only ones targeted.

ACC is actually a great benefit...think yourselves lucky we have this when we stuff up...compared to other Countries

Looking at the flip side...maybe it is a good thing for motorcycling...

[Grahameeboy]

Sixbelly..thanks for the rep..maybe I am insane but I am insanely happy and I don't believe this is a major stress....we don't event know how much extra it will be yet...

[MarkH]

before we all knee jerk...is it really a major if ACC levies rise for over 600cc...still gotta be worth it just to ride...

Yeah, but if I find myself able to afford an SV650S to ride on the weekends and keep my AN400 for weekday commuting - how much will I be paying for Rego? I somehow doubt that it will be a fair amount!

[Cr1MiNaL]

Rego costs are already through the roof... I would not submit that letter simply based on the fact that it asks to make a distinction between motorcycles? We cannot have anarchy in the same circle. Bikes are bikes lets stand as 1. Sure crusiers r shit and a bit gay but still. lol.

[Squiggles]

Rego costs are already through the roof... I would not submit that letter simply based on the fact that it asks to make a distinction between motorcycles? We cannot have anarchy in the same circle. Bikes are bikes lets stand as 1. Sure crusiers r shit and a bit gay but still. lol.

Can still do their online ranking thing to rate what you think the important initiatives are

[Grahameeboy]

Yeah, but if I find myself able to afford an SV650S to ride on the weekends and keep my AN400 for weekday commuting - how much will I be paying for Rego? I somehow doubt that it will be a fair amount!

If you can afford 2 bikes.......