Court - What to expect

[SixPackBack]

Did you ask the judge to dismiss the case? I've seen people get off a charge before a JP because the prosecution was "not ready".

Of course I did, so did my lawyer

[carver]

At least he's not asking for donations towards his legal costs!

my opposition squeeze it out of you if thats any consolidation

[paddy]

my opposition squeeze it out of you if thats any consolidation

Are you sober? Might like to try that sentence again there Carver. I'm pretty sure you meant consolation not consolidation but I still can't figure out what you were trying to say. :-)

Edit: You're referring to my taxes funding the prosecution. I'm pretty sure that means I paid for your video. Which frame is mine? Hand it over.

[Patrick]

.........Or in my experience case postponed for another hearing...again and again and agian....28 months fucken long for a minor speeding ticket.....I lost count of the amount of times the officer did not show!?.......Care to shed some light on that patrick?

Step 1. Usually, its 28 day reminder notice, then another 28 day reminder notice, then a final 28 day reminder notice... there is almost three months....

Step 2. Then, they plead not guilty, so it is put off to a suitable date, say another 2-3 months down the track.... (6 months)

Step 3. Then, the defence usually drags it out, say for example, "my client has a snuffly nose and can't come in today..." So there goes another 2 months or so. (8 months...)

Step 4. Then that date doesn't suit the prosecution, because the officer in charge is away on holiday in Raro... or summit...

Step 5. Step three gets used a few more times....

Step 6. Step 4 might crop up once.....

Step 7. Back to step 3 again................................... and hey presto, 28 months later.

(Not an actual scenario I know of... just a kind of P/T.)

But as for 28 months, with ONLY the Police putting it off all the time, that I do not believe for a moment.

"Undue delay in proceedings" should have been the call by your lawyer..... and it would have been good bye ticket, WAY before the 28 months claimed.

Unless he was legal aid, because the more appearances he makes, even for those brief one minute remands off to another day ones, he gets paid.....

An expensive way of finding out the precedents were set years ago.

Not if you defend yourself.....

Did you ask the judge to dismiss the case? I've seen people get off a charge before a JP because the prosecution was "not ready".

True. On the defended hearing day, as in the day of reckoning.... The first day where both the defendant and the cop need to appear. Happens often.

[SixPackBack]

Step 1. Usually, its 28 day reminder notice, then another 28 day reminder notice, then a final 28 day reminder notice... there is almost three months....

Step 2. Then, they plead not guilty, so it is put off to a suitable date, say another 2-3 months down the track.... (6 months)

Step 3. Then, the defence usually drags it out, say for example, "my client has a snuffly nose and can't come in today..." So there goes another 2 months or so. (8 months...)

Step 4. Then that date doesn't suit the prosecution, because the officer in charge is away on holiday in Raro... or summit...

Step 5. Step three gets used a few more times....

Step 6. Step 4 might crop up once.....

Step 7. Back to step 3 again................................... and hey presto, 28 months later.

(Not an actual scenario I know of... just a kind of P/T.)

But as for 28 months, with ONLY the Police putting it off all the time, that I do not believe for a moment.

"Undue delay in proceedings" should have been the call by your lawyer..... and it would have been good bye ticket, WAY before the 28 months claimed.

Unless he was legal aid, because the more appearances he makes, even for those brief one minute remands off to another day ones, he gets paid.....



Not if you defend yourself.....



True. On the defended hearing day, as in the day of reckoning.... The first day where both the defendant and the cop need to appear. Happens often.

Beleive it. Add in tried illegally in absence-twice!.......And the case being dropped with no reason given. The picture you paint seems to be based on neither the coppers or courts making mistakes, both of which happen with monotonous regularity. The 'system' is rancid with corruption, lies and deceit.

Anyone swallowing the official 'you can trust us line' from the coppers and courts is delusional.

[Patrick]

Beleive it. Add in tried illegally in absence-twice!.......And the case being dropped with no reason given. The picture you paint seems to be based on neither the coppers or courts making mistakes, both of which happen with monotonous regularity. The 'system' is rancid with corruption, lies and deceit.

Anyone swallowing the official 'you can trust us line' from the coppers and courts is delusional.

I still call... BULLSHIT....

Can even locate the file to confirm, if ya keen........

[Bass]

I still call... BULLSHIT....

.....

Oh believe him.

The court administrators make some unreal fuck-ups (personal experience) and then try and make it your responsibility to set it right. The time that can be wasted, running round in the circles where they send you is just unreal. The left hand is totally unaware of what the right is supposed to do.
The worst part is that they have the whip hand completely. There appears to be no recourse except to more of the same.

[Patrick]

Oh believe him.

The court administrators make some unreal fuck-ups (personal experience) and then try and make it your responsibility to set it right. The time that can be wasted, running round in the circles where they send you is just unreal. The left hand is totally unaware of what the right is supposed to do.

Yeah, but more than two years for a speeding ticket?

If they are tossing out "P" lab cases for undue delays in proceedings over a similar time frame, they sure as hell would toss a poxy speeding ticket......

[SixPackBack]

I still call... BULLSHIT....

Can even locate the file to confirm, if ya keen........

Thanks for the offer patrick, but understandably giving personal details to someone who thinks I am lying and who I do not trust is not going to happen.

The fact remains it took 28 months for a speeding ticket to reach a conclusion

Ticket received Jan. 2007 and withdrawn June 2009.

[Patrick]

Thanks for the offer patrick, but understandably giving personal details to someone who thinks I am lying and who I do not trust is not going to happen.

The fact remains it took 28 months for a speeding ticket to reach a conclusion

Ticket received Jan. 2007 and withdrawn June 2009.

Your loss....

BULLSHIT..................

[Patrick]

Your loss....

BULLSHIT..................

And red bling too....

DOUBLE BULLSHIT.

[Patrick]

Thanks for the offer patrick, but understandably giving personal details to someone who thinks I am lying and who I do not trust is not going to happen.

Paranoid, much?????????????

What do ya think I am gonna do...?

Hunt ya down?

Bwahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahha

Lay off the "P"

Plently have given personal detail here. Always more than happy to help.

More than happy to prove you were right, too. And if so, the public apology would be worth it, dontcha think?

That, or a bourbon or 5......

[Bass]

Yeah, but more than two years for a speeding ticket?

In my case, it wasn't a speeding ticket but it was of similar significance and monetary value. It took two and a half years to be resolved.

Incidentally, if the cops had simply come and talked to me in the first place, as was suggested to them, it would never have gone to court.

It all stemmed from someone laying a false complaint against one of my family out of spite and the cops proceeding on her word alone. In the finish, we even had statements from her own family because they refused to perjure themselves on her behalf. The cops were given all the relevant names at the outset but never checked with any of them.

At the first appearance, having summarised the details of the case, the judge asked the prosecuting Sergeant (and I quote), "Then why are we here?"

When it finally came to trial, at a pre-trial conference in chambers, the judge basically told the prosecutor "you're fucked", but oh, the waste of everyone's time and money along the way.

There must have been 5 or 6 court appearances along the way with all the associated costs. The bill to Joe Public would approach 300 grand and a couple of phone calls could have prevented it all.

The thing is that it's not over yet and the circus continues.

The court has garnisheed my son's wages for a debt arising out of this that was paid months ago. They have also made a clerical error and doubled the amount. They then refuse to accept a letter from a noted barrister confirming that he has paid the debt on my son's behalf.

It has become really difficult not to think that the system is just trying to cover its arse after having made a monumental and completely unnecessary fuck-up!

[Bass]

Patrick,
I didn't expect it, but since I put up the previous post, I have received a few messages indicating that I am far from alone in my experiences with the Police and court system.

Despite what I posted, I have no axe to grind and so have tried to be as dispassionate and non-partisan as I can.

What makes it hard though is that the financial cost to my family so far is just a little under $10,000 and for something that could have been proved not to have occurred if the Police had just spoken to the witnesses whose names they were given on day one.

I used to support the Police wholeheartedly. The son concerned used to flat with a bunch of cops. We are all of us pretty disillusioned now and I regret that my attitude has changed.

There are no winners here.

[Patrick]

Damn shame that, Bass...

$300k certainly is not for a speeding ticket, so the spiteful one obviously had some story to tell. I assume the Police interviewed the alleged wrongdoer... and if so, surely the names given would have sorted it out before charges were laid? Thats how it works in my world........