Well bikers are screwed - ACC levy

**my_r32** · 14th October 2009, 18:18

Originally Posted by Sharry

I have sent an email to then both.

Where does $257.69 come from? I have just registered my bike for 12 months and it cost $321.24

The $257.69 is JUST the ACC levie portion of what you pay. The rest is GST: $35.69, License Fee: $24.50, Administration: $6.72 and Other Levies: $1.64. (I have my rego letter here as its due on the 29th :P)

And I am farking pissed off about this. Would much rather a pay as you go system, but would prefer more that ACC got there bloody act together and run the company properly.....

**glanvillejon** · 14th October 2009, 18:19

Originally Posted by Pixie

Email bomb Nick Smith and John Key NOW

nick.smith@national.org.nz

john.key@national.org.nz

I just sent this:

Dear Dr Smith

I thought I would let you know that the proposed ACC levy increases for motorcycle registration are outrageous.

The likely response to this from motorcyclists will be similar to protests that have occurred in Europe i.e. We will not register our vehicles.

Regards

Done. Go on every one DO IT!!!

**zoom** · 14th October 2009, 18:19

yea but those ACC stats count scooters too don't they. Fair enough scooter riders should have to pay more because some of those scooter drivers are lets face it idiots who don't respect the road but motorcyclist are already paying enough. Plus what about push bikers, my friend is a radiologist and she says the majority of accident and emergency people are push bikers done completely over. They should have to pay ACC too in that case.

**burden2** · 14th October 2009, 18:20

Originally Posted by archie-no2

wont it end up cheaper to be caught riding an unregistered bike and pay the fine than paying for the rego each year.

How many random stops are the Highway Patrol going to have to do once this starts happening? I bet three an hour is going to tripled or quadrupled and the fines will have to go up to pay for the printing of more ticket books.
The sad truth is the coppers on the road are gonna be firmly instructed by the Schutzstaffel in Wellington to be more active in randomly stopping motorcycles for "safety" checks -as we all know the focus for the Highway Patrol and all Police on the roads is on Safety and I am absolutely sure that my bike is so much safer when I have lightened the load on the suspension and steering by having an empty wallet. This is probably going to have a long term effect of reducing my carbon footprint as I wont have to carry all that evil money around.

**Wiki Drifter** · 14th October 2009, 18:23

Originally Posted by scumdog

Over the price of three no-rego tickets, you do the maths, get caught three or less times? - you are ahead!

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" how lucky do you feel, punk?"

The cops will just end up doing more checks on bikers knowing that more than likely they'll be unregistered. ($more fines$)

Rape is a war crime, Smith needs to be sent to The Hague.

**BMWST?** · 14th October 2009, 18:24

Originally Posted by James Deuce

If they don't stop riding on SH2 in the Hutt like it's the Tour de France, I will PERSONALLY make sure that cyclists cost more than motorcyclists. They have a cycle lane they don't use. I think I will start by mining the service lanes.

The "cycle lane" is a poorly disguised rubbish tip.A road bike Will get a puncture. Its a great design that dumps cyclists on the wrong side of a 100 kmhr road.Your attitude towards cyclists is strangely similar to that of most motorists towards Motorcyclists.

**rustic101** · 14th October 2009, 18:24

Dear Dr Smith,

I write to express my outrage at what you are reported as saying in the media with respect to ACC levies; more so the increase to motorcycle owners, particularly those of us that own over 600cc bikes.

There are some facts that your advisers have failed to identify or factually present. Some of these are:
• Cars are reported to cause more accidents to motorcyclists
• Scooter riders have a higher crash rate than higher CC rated motorcycles
• Most Motorcyclists own one or more vehicles in addition to their bikes, yet only use one at a time, yet are expected to maintain all registrations and levies.
• The ACC crash stats are flawed when comparing with the LTSA and Road Policing data
• Sports injuries and recreational injuires have a higher fiscal claim that Motorcyclists

If your intention is genuine you are treading a very thin line with your supporters. If this is a political game based around prepping for privatisation, be very careful as it may just come back to bite.

National have always had my support. I work hard and do not fit into any of the hand out boxes. Motorcycling is my one freedom and reward, not just a method of getting to work.

The Kiwibiker and Trademe message boards are in overdrive as a result of the release you made. I will compose myself and write again as well as try and find out if I am able to make a public submission on the issue.

Kind regards

[name and address supplied]

**Madmax** · 14th October 2009, 18:24

Originally Posted by Trudes

I am so in!!! I love camping. I'll bring the camp toilet.

dont bother the place is full of shit anyway

**Maha** · 14th October 2009, 18:26

Originally Posted by MadDuck

Well John Keys electoral office is in Kumeu (what wasnt burnt down) and Lockwood Smith is the local MP here in Rodney......

Lockwood has a farm at Ruawai, heaps a bulls too, we could camp there and Barbie a few beefs...

**imdying** · 14th October 2009, 18:27

Originally Posted by davereid

Any protest, or disagreement needs a goal.

IMHO.

ACC is a "no-fault" system.

So, I suggest we set our target at the same rego fee as a car.

Otherwise we may be tempted to accept a $500-%600 figure as "a good deal".

The fact that we have more accidents or that they cost more, in a "no fault system" is irrelevant.

Definitely, love this post so far.

**5150** · 14th October 2009, 18:28

where is AlQaida (sp?) and their suicide bombers when you really need them!!!!

So i am going to sell my slow(er) BMW R1100 GS and replace it with a 598cc R6, or 249cc RGV250 so i can pay less levy. Can anyone point out the logic behind this??? There is a reason why Beehive in Wellington is round. Have you ever seen a square circus????

**Bangbug** · 14th October 2009, 18:30

Claims from last 07 -08
horse riding, motocross and trailbiking accounted for $22.8m
Claims for motor-racing injuries cost $18
Rugby union claims. 39 million.
Rugby league 10 million.

How much shortfall is there in these?
They said 40 mill for bikers.

Ok, i'm sure theres more than 40 mill shortfall here.
where they going to find that money?

Oh crap, I motocross and mountainbike!

**banditrider** · 14th October 2009, 18:30

Ok, where to start?

(1) I'll be looking at over $2K for 2 bikes and a car (well more than my combined full insurance cover) yet I can only pilot one of them at a time and only have 1 accident at a time. I've scratched my head and I can't seem to work out how this could possibly be fair. Any ideas?

(2) ACC is supposed to be like insurance - you have an accident and you get patched up. Where's my no claims bonus for 20 years accident free riding and no ACC claims in 38 years.

(3) Vehicles don't have accidents - people do. Insurance companies recognise that different people/activities have different risk and adjust premiums accordingly. Shouldn't ACC be able to do this? That way they we can share the cost with the rugby players, mountain bikers, motocross riders, parachutists, ballet dancers etc...Also, maybe you should be able to loose your cover eg a repeat drunk driver or squids (car or bike) wiping out every weekend. I can see where demerits might be your enemy here too...

The reason why they are doing it through registration is because it's easy and someone else collects the money for them. We need to fight these potential increases but we need to fight them intelligently. Protest rides are fine and I'll be there but let's get those letters and submissions in - and think before you put pen to paper. I may have not put my thoughts together as well as I could but I've a few more that I want to work through and get down before sending anything off.

Ride safe!

**PrincessBandit** · 14th October 2009, 18:30

Originally Posted by spookytooth

Just a idea.Instead of a ride/protest Wouldnt leaving the bikes home and do it in cars instead.Cars with sines like this is what 1000 more cars looks like (we can't afford our bikes)But na fuck it bikes would look so much better

That might not be such a bad idea - imagine the congestion with cars. The comparison then with the same number of bikes surely couldn't be missed. I hate to think what Auckland traffic will be like if we all have to lose our bikes and take cars; not to mention the surge in demand for parking.....