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**Katman** · 18th October 2009, 09:44

Originally Posted by Ronin

Could be worse mate. If people placed their faith in you, just imagine how screwed we would be....

If we'd all placed a little more faith in what I have been saying for the last four years we might not have found ourselves in the mess that we are now.

**Kickaha** · 18th October 2009, 09:48

Originally Posted by Katman

If we'd all placed a little more faith in what I have been saying for the last four years we might not have found ourselves in the mess that we are now.

Perhaps you need to find a better way to say it, then people might listen

**Ronin** · 18th October 2009, 09:57

Originally Posted by Katman

If we'd all placed a little more faith in what I have been saying for the last four years we might not have found ourselves in the mess that we are now.

Maybe... but I don't think the chances are that high. You are relying on the belief that everything you say is correct and that anyone with a differing opinion is incorrect.

Perhaps if you were more tolerant of other peoples views and opinions someone might start listening to you.

**Katman** · 18th October 2009, 10:06

Originally Posted by Ronin

Perhaps if you were more tolerant of other peoples views and opinions someone might start listening to you.

And what views and opinions might those be?

That we should be allowed to ride in whatever manner we see fit - regardless of how it impacts on anyone else?

Because that's the only opinion that I can remember me being totally opposed to.

**Virago** · 18th October 2009, 10:12

Originally Posted by Katman

...Is it because you don't like the fact that I'm starting to get the impression that there's a few egos getting carried away with themselves?...

Originally Posted by Katman

If we'd all placed a little more faith in what I have been saying for the last four years we might not have found ourselves in the mess that we are now.

Such sweet irony...

**Katman** · 18th October 2009, 10:13

Originally Posted by Virago

Such sweet irony...

I knew someone would pick that one up.

**bogan** · 18th October 2009, 10:15

Originally Posted by Katman

If we'd all placed a little more faith in what I have been saying for the last four years we might not have found ourselves in the mess that we are now.

Sorry I'm having trouble hearing you, your horse is too high, please get off of it.

Seriously though, your opinion is just one of many; if it turns out to be right and you failed to persuade others of that, it doesn't say much for your skills of persuasion does it? (the skills im referring to are the large amounts of insults thrown about, the dodging of questions etc)

**Ronin** · 18th October 2009, 10:19

Originally Posted by Katman

And what views and opinions might those be?

Any that don't conform to your seemingly very narrow view of how the world should be.

Be it right or wrong, everyone has the choice on following the laws of the land or not. Prove to me that you have never broken a road law and I will consider having more respect for you.

**Usarka** · 18th October 2009, 10:22

Originally Posted by Katman

And what views and opinions might those be?

The views and opinions of those who don't want to suck your cock.

Probably everyone then

**jrandom** · 18th October 2009, 10:27

Originally Posted by Ronin

Prove to me that you have never broken a road law and I will consider having more respect for you.

Katman may be a cock, but that's a straw man argument.

Of course he breaks road laws. He rides motorcycles.

His point has never been that we should all stick to the letter of the law; it's that we should ride with a view to our own safety and how other road users will perceive us.

**Ronin** · 18th October 2009, 10:35

Originally Posted by jrandom

Katman may be a cock, but that's a straw man argument.

Of course he breaks road laws. He rides motorcycles.

His point has never been that we should all stick to the letter of the law; it's that we should ride with a view to our own safety and how other road users will perceive us.

Well there you go, I'z dun learned sumfing today.

Fair enough call on the strawman argument (I had to look it up though). In my defence your honour, should I have to wade through countless pages of rhetoric and personal attacks to discover what he is trying to say?

As pointed out earlier in the thread. Perhaps he needs to find a different way to get his point across.