Cats-eyes and corners

**Mully** · 20th October 2009, 12:22

Originally Posted by ital916

Okay, I am still confused. How did you hit a catseye? Country road, left hander, you are in the right hand half of the lane exiting the corner and your front wheel hits a catseye. If you are still cranked over exiting the corner, hitting the catseye you must have been running wide...very wide? Or I have misread the situation.

Note: I have not read the posts of waffle, I just skipped from post 1 to here.

Yeah, that was part of the waffle - short version DB drifted wide on a corner and was warning people that catseyes are Dangerous (tm).

Don't discount the waffle - it's regularly the only thing that brings me back here.

**ital916** · 20th October 2009, 12:24

Originally Posted by jrandom

Heh!

I see that their 'Advanced Skills' course includes hill starts, countersteering and how carrying a pillion affects handling.

I rest my case.

I would class any sort of skill in operating a motorcycle as advanced. We are always learning, to think we have mastered something is to let our guard down. That is when the shit hits the fan.

To think I can take this corner, cos I am experienced and have mastered cornering is when you go wide and hit a catseye

**ital916** · 20th October 2009, 12:26

Originally Posted by Mully

Yeah, that was part of the waffle - short version DB drifted wide on a corner and was warning people that catseyes are Dangerous (tm).

Don't discount the waffle - it's regularly the only thing that brings me back here.

Well hitting the catseye is always going to be dangeous, hitting anything witha bike is dangerous.

Why are we not concentrating on the message of not running wide on corners. Mistakes are made, lets look back upon this incident and figure out where along the chain the mistake was made leading to running wide. I think it is when DB got on the bike and turned it on. haha I is just messin with ya DB, glad you are ok.

**jrandom** · 20th October 2009, 12:29

Originally Posted by Mully

Don't discount the waffle...

Not even on Wednesdays?

**Mully** · 20th October 2009, 12:31

Originally Posted by jrandom

Not even on Wednesdays?

Don't you have cycling to do?

**jrandom** · 20th October 2009, 12:32

Originally Posted by Mully

Don't you have cycling to do?

I'm very sick and had to stay home with the internets.

I bet you're all pleased about that.

**Mully** · 20th October 2009, 12:37

Originally Posted by jrandom

I'm very sick and had to stay home with the internets.

I bet you're all pleased about that.

Just bursting with pleasure.

**jrandom** · 20th October 2009, 12:42

Originally Posted by Mully

Just bursting with pleasure.

Don't go making a mess on your waffles.

**MyGSXF:Me** · 20th October 2009, 13:12

Originally Posted by jrandom

Her 'certification' qualifies her to dispense 'how not to fall off' advice to new riders, nothing else, and it is good to remind the Gentle Readers of that fact, lest they see this thread but fail to realise that there is far more to motorcycling than braking on the straight and throttling on gently once the corner exit is in sight.

The more you write the harder I laugh at your ignorance...

& yes there is FAAAARRRR more to riding than that VERY basic description I gave..

I suggest you do some research & find out just what is involved in getting an "I endorsement" from NZTA.. coz you're blowing out your arse.. again...

**MSTRS:Me** · 20th October 2009, 13:15

Originally Posted by MyGSXF

... coz you're blowing out your arse.. again...

She's right. I looked out the window...and the trees are moving...

**jrandom** · 20th October 2009, 13:16

Originally Posted by MyGSXF

I suggest you do some research & find out just what is involved in getting an "I endorsement" from NZTA...

Lots of multiple-choice tests, I expect. Maybe an essay question or two?

Feel free to enlighten us; failing to refute my points with actual information about what your 'I' endorsement involves will result in people assuming that I'm right about its lack of substance, y'know.

And I don't think you want people to assume that I'm right about its lack of substance, do you?

**MyGSXF:Me** · 20th October 2009, 13:21

Originally Posted by jrandom

Lots of multiple-choice tests, I expect. Maybe an essay question or two?

Feel free to enlighten us; failing to refute my points with actual information about what your 'I' endorsement involves will result in people assuming that I'm right about its lack of substance, y'know.

And I don't think you want people to assume that I'm right about its lack of substance, do you?

Google is your friend.. y'know..

& you do know who the NZTA is... don't you....

**beyond** · 20th October 2009, 13:22

Lets put this in perspective.
I have noticed particularly in summer that as the roads heat up, large vehicles can and do shift the catseyes so they are no longer on the centreline.

I have come across this a lot and if they aren't sorted out they are left for sometimes years.

It just so happens that they move to where the best apex line is and if you are moving fast and leaned right over they do give your tyres a good whack and if the front wheel contacts them leaned over you will alter your line by as much as several hundred millimetres.

I've had my front wheel pop off one which was right on my apex line and well away from the centreline and it threw my front quite a distance left.

I now have a healthy respect for those little shiny things especially when they have been moved offline.

Catsyes are best avoided when leaned over.

**jrandom** · 20th October 2009, 13:48

Originally Posted by MyGSXF

Google is your friend.. y'know..

Ah, so it is mostly multiple choice questions, eh?

My point remains; getting an 'I' endorsement does not require an above-average level of actual motorcycle control ability.

And, as we all know, 'average' is pretty poor around these parts, unfortunately.

If I'm wrong, feel free to describe what you did have to prove to get that 'I' endorsement.

(Aside from getting all those multiple-choice questions right.)

Hinting that I'm wrong about your mediocre motorcycle control skills without actually saying how or why... doesn't really do much to make up for you proudly pointing me to a website that lists hill starts and countersteering as 'advanced' topics, y'know.

**MyGSXF:Me** · 20th October 2009, 13:55

Originally Posted by jrandom

Ah, so it is mostly multiple choice questions, eh?

My point remains; getting an 'I' endorsement does not require an above-average level of actual motorcycle control ability.

And, as we all know, 'average' is pretty poor around these parts, unfortunately.

If I'm wrong, feel free to describe what you did have to prove to get that 'I' endorsement.

(Aside from getting all those multiple-choice questions right.)

Hinting that I'm wrong about your mediocre motorcycle control skills without actually saying how or why... doesn't really do much to make up for you proudly pointing me to a website that lists hill starts and countersteering as 'advanced' topics, y'know.

My jaw is getting sore from laughing so much...

Ignorance is bliss... You enjoy your trolling JR..